Everton Banter Archive November 05 2011

05 Nov 2011 22:27:52
Looking at the fixtures coming up, apart from Arsenal away, every game is winnable. Not to say we will, but we have not got a really tough month of fixtures until feb. {Ed025's Note - all fixtures coming up are going to be tough, you make it sound as though we are better than the sides around us, but with the exception of wigan and blackburn...we are not!

05 Nov 2011 19:02:40
Hi all, Moyes needs to change the system, I fear if he does not we will be fighting relegation. When Neville got injured to day the boos rang out when Distin came on,not against Distin but Moyes negativity. 2-0 down and brings on a defender for an acting and very poor midfielder. When you look at Everton its no mystery why we are poor in the final 3rd. During most of this season and today we are playing with 8 natural defenders and 1 forward. Natural defenders Hibbert,Neville,Coleman,Jagielka,Heitinga,Rodwell,Distin,and Baines. Alarming, we are not going to win enough games playing so many of these guys. Moyes seems to have no fight in him, which is a reflection of how the team are playing at the moment.The next 5 games will determine if we are going to be fighting relegation or a mid table finish. Barkley, Vellios, Cahill, Gueye need to come in and we need to attack. Everything Moyes has tried has not worked but he is stubbornly sticking to this 4-5-1 and all the fans realise its not working. The next 5 games are winnable but not playing the drivel we are playing at the moment so Moysie come on have a go at least try, its hard to watch that s--t right now.. Do you agree Ed. COYB {Ed001's Note - I don't think anyone can deny that Moyes is far too defensive against the stronger teams. A comment I read further up summed it up for me, saying that it is like he has already accepted defeat before it kicks off. Far too often his first thought is to bring on a defender when he makes a substitution.}

Actually the boos where because when distin was on loan there he didnt make his move permanent therefore they hate him :/

The boos of 2,300 blues up in the gods at St James Park would not ring around the stadium or register that much on tv. That was clearly the home fans booing. The substitution was as close to a straight swap as Moyes could manage, Johnny into Neville's position and Sylvan into Johnny's. The manager clearly felt that the system didn't need changing. Everton were clearly the better side yesterday but were behind to a freak own goal and an unstoppable wonder strike from a fullback. It's not like we were being outplayed and we were creating chances well enough.

We just need a reliable goal scorer to convert chances into goals. The same can probably be said for 95% of all football clubs!

When we got to the fa cup final all we needed to kick on after that was a world class stiker & a right midfielder, but we didn't invest in the squad & this is the consequence of another missed opportunity, under the Kenwright regime

05 Nov 2011 16:49:01
When Arteta left us in summer I remember reading a lot of fans comments that he was passed his best anyway, injury prone blah blah. I think he has been a massive loss and we miss him BIG time. Watching him for Arsenal he is on fire and is so creative. We must replace him in Jan, don't care who but we have to have a precision passer, I remember Manny Fernandez coming in once who offered us some creativity in the short time he was here. Moyes needs to find a loan signing of that kind in Jan... and then in the summer, we must find an Arteta V2.0... but we all know we need a striker too... Lets pray for that investment... And then lets pray any new owners dont ruin our club.

In mean time, I guess we all gotta really get behind the team now after another poor result today.
COYB
Jay

05 Nov 2011 16:01:22
Howard-at fault for own goal!
Hibbert-same as usual!
Jagielka- poor first half better 2nd with Distin
Heitinga- didn't look interested
Baines- did ok,didn't get forward as much
Coleman- very poor, can't believe he played whole game
Rodwell- doesn't do enough in games (yes I know he scored)
Osman- tried to get us playing
Neville- looked better when he went off
Drenthe- tried to make something happen, needs to move ball quicker
Saha- not his day but capable of producing that bit of magic

Distin- gave better physical presence
McFadden- looked ok on first game back

Just thought we looked disinterested today, never have enough movement off the ball, need more players around the ball as we give it away far too much with long balls!Missed Felli and desperatly missing Arteta!

05 Nov 2011 15:09:05
Still not going to jump on the moyes bandwagon like everyone else.
Last month was hard and nearly every other team would of lost them 4 games, today 1st half was decent and we got the goal and then did nothing in the 2nd half.
Teams are happy for us to have the ball because we can't do anything in the final 3rd. Losing Pienaar and Arteta and not replacing them was a massive mistake, because we keep the ball well but don't create anything !!
Not going to predict anything yet like everyone on here is, the next 3 games are massive if we show same tactics and negativity and lose then we can all start to panic !! {Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that mate..

Need to smash wolverhampton at goodison

05 Nov 2011 15:02:59
We could have taken points in all of the last 6 games but we aren't creating anything. So a mesage to all of you who thought selling Arteta was good business, you were wrong. We are almost at full strength it is a good job there is a lot of dross just above us in the league. I'd take top half now. {Ed025's Note - take top half?????....your in dreamland at the moment mate..

Be lucky to be in top 15 looking at wigan didnt they hit the bar just after we levelled the scores and thank f***k zamora missed that open goal or we would be bottom no easy games now all fighting for survival lets see whos got the guts for it coz i dont think we have

05 Nov 2011 14:48:06
not happy
we should have won but we cant finish!
we need to sell heitinga and bily
i want to see a team like this played more.

howard
hibbert jags distin baines
drenthe fellaini rodwell osman
cahill
saha

That's practically the team that played today

Practically the same? interesting
exept with heitinga, neville and coleman who all played awfully

Jags was injured, felli was banned, and cahill hasnt scored in 2011, who else could of moyes played to make us play any better?

Did you watch the game? Jags played!

05 Nov 2011 13:41:59
Its gonna be a long hard season, i get myself worked up every week, thinking this might be the week, this might be the time we turn it round, and then you see a performance like that!!!

we are 1 dimensional, no inventivness mere passion is simply not good enough anymore. we've lost out 2 most creative players within 8 months and not replaced them. And as for our defending, the less said about that the better!

Bill Kenwrong is facing the possibility of going down in history as the most hated evertonian ever (p johnson was never a true blue) {Ed025's Note - i agree with your last point mate....but we are still in this!...if louis gets his shooting boots on...we can even win it!...i know were not playing great, but lets keep the faith..

05 Nov 2011 13:24:44
this game is very depressin

05 Nov 2011 10:52:55
Talk of us going for Donovan on loan again, not a bad signing I don't think. Just can't see though why we don't make a move for Defoe! There is talk of him going to QPR for £8 Mil, surely he'd choose us over them and I just think he is the out and out goalscorer we really need? If there is any money there to spend, that's where I'd spend it! Your thoughts Ed?!? {Ed001's Note - Defoe? I really don't rate him, he is very hit and miss, it took him about 25 years to score 100 goals! A top striker should be getting 20 goals a season, he is nowhere near that level and suffers regular injuries. I don't think he is the answer for Everton, not with the training regime at the club, which is tough. Everton need to look at more robust players, ones capable of handling the training.}

Defoe has only played 72 league games for spurs since 09.

Give him a chance and he'll score 20+ a season

04 Nov 2011 23:39:47
Hey Ed, do you think George Green will get a call up to the first team next season or atleast for some of the pre season friendlies next year?
Plus, have you seen him play? {Ed001's Note - I would expect him to get a run out in pre-season friendlies but not much more. I have only seen him play once and I was watching someone else in that game so didn't take much notice sorry.}

Who were you watching Ed001?
Also do you know anywhere you can watch him on the internet like Youtube? I really want to see if he's as good as he's made out to be but I live in Ireland so that rules out watching him in matches or trainning {Ed001's Note - I was watching a game live, they were playing a top flight club, I can't remember who it was now, I only remember it because someone was talking about him just after. They were asking what I thought of him because they had heard all the big clubs were looking at him. Do Everton not screen reserve and academy games online? Might explain why I have only ever seen them when they have faced United or Liverpool!}

Ok Ed001, ty