Everton Banter Archive January 05 2016

 

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05 Jan 2016 20:55:30
Jags is a better keeper than Howard.

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05 Jan 2016 23:58:22
Baldy if I remember rightly Neil warnock didn't used to have a keeper on the bench because he thought if paddy Kenny got sent off then he would just use jags save using a sub and more room for out field players on the bench because at the time it was only 5 subs and that was when Sheffield United were playing in the prem. slim with you mate but we need him to steady the back line from cb.

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06 Jan 2016 00:20:10
Ha ha slim meant. so I'm.

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05 Jan 2016 20:47:13
So RM says there will be outgoings, so who and when, any incomings, and who, any targets, so frustrating.

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05 Jan 2016 21:43:41
Surprisingly RM also has said that we have a large squad which was geared to being in Europe. Probably means we will lose several players and not get any in. We have dead wood but not the ones we are likely to lose.

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05 Jan 2016 22:35:46
Rm is a joke Av Sai it b4, ok fist season was good record points, bu he done the same at Wigan which I said after his first season, it then gradually got worse and worse until they got relegated, our stats with rm are mirrored, his tam selections his lack of practicing corners or defending it seems atm is tbf alarming, how can a prem manager think corners attackin or defending is not worth training, how can a pro manager say ok we have 3 wingers bu we will play one, an will play a striker who consistently give the ball away wether to opp or corner, throw in. And then when we clearly get shown up in 45 mins say after the game we defended amazingly or words to that effect, we should have been out the game. Sick of him he will send us down mark my words.

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06 Jan 2016 13:25:11
XIX, seriously mate, there's a whole month of the window to go, why should he say anything about incommings? that only forces the price up now. Most dealings unless they are smaller fee's happen in the last few days of the window, even the last day. by order of Sky!

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05 Jan 2016 16:37:44
Given that we have the worst possible record against "THEM" and having personally been at 4 loosing semi / finals would readers prefer to loose to City if they knew that Lpool were in final .
I guess I will be the only one who woul, but I am sorry but with RM at the helm the we will loose against Lpool 100% .
ps I love fans enthusiasm but predicting clean sheets is a joke against poor teams never mind city, last game at Goodison they could have had 6,

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05 Jan 2016 17:13:25
Don't worry trebor Stoke will thrash Liverpool and will meet us in the Final which we will win 3-2 after being 2-0 down just like we did against Wednesday in 1966. It is 50 years since that great win and it is our time,
Mike.

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{Ed025's Note - i really hope so mike.. :)

05 Jan 2016 18:14:46
So. your hoping that we get beat? Under no circumstances, ever, would I wish for that.

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05 Jan 2016 15:52:53
we need a 2 goal cushion at least to take back to city and I can see us scoring because at least that is somthing we always seem capable of doing this season hence the 2 goal cushion because as sure as eggs are eggs we will concede

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{Ed025's Note - a draw would not be the end of the world paul, we will be better at their place imo..

05 Jan 2016 16:25:01
i wish I could share your optimisom ed but I think its all been knocked out of me mate. you think a draw at home would be good and we will play better at thier place that suggests to me ed that you think wre going to wembley.

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{Ed025's Note - im hoping more than thinking paul, but i do believe we have a good shout mate, if we play besic and he keeps silva quiet we could just get there..

05 Jan 2016 21:14:00
I think in a strange way if we take a draw into 2nd leg will suit us best and play on counter attack. If we take a 2 goal lead there they will come out and attack us and we will not be good enough to sit back and defend.

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06 Jan 2016 00:16:40
ye that's right rob let's go the match tomoz and hope for a 0-0 let's hope we don't come away with a 2 goal lead ffs.

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06 Jan 2016 07:48:08
There is no way we will get a 2 goal advantage against city. Have you not seen us this season.

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05 Jan 2016 14:08:08
Im sure people run through their XI's often, but just wondering what would everyones preferred XI be for the next LEAGUE game

Robles
Coleman - Stones - Jags - Baines
Besic - Barry
Del - Barkley - Mirallas
Lukaku

I really like Mori and he hasn't done anything wrong, but I do think we are missing our captain. Galloway has been brilliant and Baines has come in too early for me, but once his fitness and sharpness is back I think he's vital to the way we play. I like Cleverly and found it hard to leave him out, just prefer Besic. think he has the potential to be one of the best in the league.
Mirallas over Kone self explanatory. always a goal threat and links with Lukaku just as well if not better than Kone in my opinion. Lennon unlucky to miss out but the 2 wingers are better than him.

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05 Jan 2016 15:11:50
on form and range of passing i'd swap cleverly with barkley.

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05 Jan 2016 15:13:41
Would make 1 change and that would be to push Baines forward onto the left of midfield and Galloway at left back. I feel we need balance across the midfield and as good as Mirrallas is defensively I don't think we cam accomodate 2 wingers as it leaves us even more exposed at the back, so delboy would stay in due to his assists.

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05 Jan 2016 16:24:13
That probably would be my exact team PB7771. I totally agree with every word you said. My second team would be Lennon for Barkley. I'd move Del boy to Barkley's place and put Lennon on the wing. Interesting to see how Del boy would be there. He certainly has the skill, quickness and even the link up play with Lukaku.

That's my second team but I'd go with exactly your team first to see how it would go. Then I may or may not revert to plan B. I wouldn't leave Barkley out of the team for that long in that case. I rate him and think he will have a very good career.

Something Martinez is incapable of doing, a plan B! Although I sense there will be changes to the team from now on. I'm hoping that anyway.

Bluegray87 I agree about making Baines a winger and Galloway at left back would be a good left hand side.

But I don't agree with your view on being more defensive. The 2 holding midfielder's job is to help out the back 4. So that makes 7 players (including goalkeeper) to concentrate on defence.

That should be more than enough and should allow the front 4 to concentrate mostly on attacking.

In theory that should work. However this season we are conceding alot. It's hard to imagine that when we have basically 6 defenders.

Something doesn't add up for me.

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05 Jan 2016 17:56:46
I suppose it depends on you definition of a defensive mid/ holding mid for me its a player that can slot into the defense to cover when a player is out of position. Barry is the closest player we have but he tends to support too much, you don't really see him slotting into CB or LB very much when we are on the attack. The rest of the boys are more box to box players. Also its quite rare when we have the ball that all 6 are back defending both full backs play high up the pitch and if you consider how often either Stones or Mori go for a run then we are really just left with whoever hasn't bothered to join the attack. We have conceded a shed load of goals on the counter.

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05 Jan 2016 14:00:25
Wanted to make a few points.

SQUAD:
Too large in areas, Hibbert, Oviedo, Gibson, Osman, Pienaar and McGeady are not needed as we are filled with better players in their positions. If Byram joins then whatever it's long term competition for Coleman. We have 3 quality wingers so McGeady and Pienaar not needed, also taking up 120k a week just on those 2. Packed with midfielders in Barkley, Barry, Besic, Cleverley and McCarthy so Gibbo and Osman need to go. That's 85k a week on those 2. Obviously have Baines, Galloway and Garbutt for left back Bryan is not needed. Him and Hibbert combined 45k a week. 250k a week (or is my Maths terrible? ) being used up there on unneeded players, of which the good ones are injury prone and the others are just not up to the level of the rest.

GOALKEEPER:
Joel should be our number 1 of course, he's a leader and good at everything, not saying he's brilliant but I mean he can catch and is good on the ball, both of which our secretary of defence is poor at. He's been at fault for one goal (pointless game vs Krasnodar) and has single handedly dragged us through the league cup. He won Wigan the FA Cup with some great saves and improved us last season. But of course, "he looks shaky", oh of course, if he looks "shaky" (which he doesn't, looks as calm as anyone in the squad) then what does Howard look like? . This isn't an attack on Tim, this is brought on by an argument I had on Tw@ter with someone who is a massive Tim Howard fan. He also thinks Besic is the worst midfielder we've ever had (I could give out his username, if it's allowed, if you want to have a gander) and Howard is as good as Southall. So you could see what I'm up against, apparently Joel is terrible (no basis, just a statement of fact apparently) because it's his fault West Ham beat us on penalties (the same game we got to penalties because Joel had the game of his life) and he was dropped for Al Habsi (incorrect as Joel was brought in to replace Al Habsi) . Where does this come from? Where on earth does this nonsense about "well Howard is bad but Joel is much worse" come from? . That's simply not true and there is no evidence that Joel is worse because he's BARELY PLAYED, and when he has played, again, bar Krasnodar, he's been excellent. "Oh but he was Goalkeeper when Wigan got relegated". Yes, the same Wigan that had a terrible defence, but who's terrible defence was injured most of the season, leading to Emerson Boyce at centre back with Caldwell. David Marshall was in goal when Cardiff went down, Hennessy same with Wolves, yet most of our fans now want one of these 2 to be our number 1!.

FUNES MORI AND JOHN STONES:
I love these 2, I love how majestic John Stones is and how solid Mori is. However, when they play together it is so different to how Stones and Jags play. Maybe it's how old Jags is that the Spanish Brendan Rodgers can't coach him to push up high and take risks. When those 2 play Stones is the ball player and Jags just defends. Now, however, Mori seems to try and replicate what Stones does and is pushing up and trying to join in the midfield. I guess that comes from the manager because when he first joined (Liverpool and West Brom games) he was sitting back nice and solid. If Mori just defended and let John Stones be sexy then we would not be so dodgy defensively, though this is only a theory by me, I think it works though.

ROSS BARKLEY:
He needs a position, he doesn't have the vision to be a number 10 but can't defend or take on responsibility so isn't a number 8 either. I keep seeing, more recently from ToffeeTV that he is better at 22 than Zidane was at 22 so that can only mean one thing. Well, no, is their play similar? What I see of Zidane it's the nice deft touches (which Ross doesn't have) and beating people. I really don't see him reaching that level, I'd like him to, but this thing that by 25 he will fully click and be world class. Well, before that happens he really needs to find a formation and position that suits him imo. Anyone have any ideas? He says he sees himself as box to box, well, he has lots to learn then. Does anyone know Ross' best position? We know it's not right behind Rom like the Ozil or Silva position and it's sure as hell not on the wing.

KONE:
Obviously fan of Kone, he was boss early in the season doing the holding up which Lukaku couldn't do. Now he's more of a hindrance, Lukaku has shown he can do it all now, he's winning more headers and his touch has improved. He dominated 3 centre backs against Liverpool with ease and is turning in to the striker we were all hoping. Kone doesn't need to babysit him any more, Kone can be great off the bench with 20 minutes to go, not when asking him to be a winger, or rather, poorly imitating a winger. Lukaku simply doesn't need him, Kone's position on the left should be taken up by Mirallas or Cleverley imo, Lukaku is more than capable of doing the dirty work now, so long as Barkley, Deulofeu and fingers crossed that he plays, Mirallas get up with him and don't leave him isolated.

Cheers.

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05 Jan 2016 14:14:49
Agree with everything there Swan except Barkley. I actually think in another year, he'll suit that number 10 position. His biggest flaw currently is his decision making, we all accept that, but he isn't doing badly 6 goals and 7 assists in 20 EPL appearances is good return for me. The way he drives through midfield on counter attacks is brilliant, I think that 'final pass' will come in the next year. He has improved dramatically since last season, I used to be concerned when got the ball in our own half, but the way he protects it with strength and quick feet is brilliant. he's improved his long passing as well, he can switch the play brilliantly which suits when playing with Delboy and hopefully Mirallas soon. I'd be interested to see the number of times he's been the guy playing the ball to the crosser. so often its Barkley to Del to Lukaku. I really believe he can make that position his, another year and I genuinely believe without bias, he can be a top no 10.

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05 Jan 2016 16:42:47
I agree PB7771. Barkley will grow as a player. I totally agree. Still I'd drop him at the moment. He's looking stale or something. Your quite right his goals and assist's tally is good. Not many of those came in the last 6 or 7 games though.

Can't allow him to think he automatically gets his place. So I'd drop him for 2 - 3 games to show him he has to perform or at least try his best to perform every game.

I'm not knocking him as he is one of my favourites. I just think to drop him for awhile would be in his, the teams and the clubs favour.

Get him revitalized and then unleash him to fulfil his potential when he's good and fresh from a spell to assess where his game is at.

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05 Jan 2016 17:39:05
If you really watched Ross play instead of sitting there praying he will do something wrong so that you can have a moan about him. You will see that on many occasions he turns his marker inside out only to look up and have no option but to play it back or to the side. Because our one forward is marked by two defenders, and the other forward has gone missing. It's no coincidence that he plays better once Del is on the pitch, and if Kevin was playing and actually getting involved, then Ross would flourish more. So stop the bloody moaning and be thankful we have him. Because there are others who would love to have him.

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05 Jan 2016 18:13:25
Woburn, he has options all the time, against Spurs he could have played Lennon through 1v1 but ran through himself and his shot landed in my back yard. Against Sunderland he literally had to pass it 5 yards to put Lukaku 1v1 but smashed it at McCarthy who was next to him and thankfully he layed it off to Kone to score. There is so many times when he is leading a break and he will have 3 players he can put through against the keeper but will either shoot, over the bar or dither until they are all offside and then pass it. I was also not having a go at him in my post, I was saying he needs a position, to which 2 people have constructed a good post saying they think it will click soon for him. You on the other hand have just accused me of wishing he does badly and that I should be thankful. You also never replied when I asked which players I'm biased towards, unsuprisingly. Perhaps you could give a solution (good or bad) to my questions on Ross instead of just saying I sit there wishing and just hoping with all I have that he does terribly so I can have a go at him. Ross isn't perfect, I know lots of our fans think he is, but he has problems on the pitch that need to be fixed if he is to develop, I'm simply saying what those problems are, his final ball, decision making and his vision, of which are problems, if you think none of them can be improved and are already perfect then say it, otherwise, you've contributed nothing and haven't even disagreed with me.

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05 Jan 2016 19:06:32
Barkley has came on a lot this season but he is far from the finished article. I too do not know what his best position is but if he could improve his decision making and passing then he has the makings of a good no.10. His quick feet and being able to drive through the midfield towards oppositions defenders is brilliant.
I still think he is highly over rated because he is young and English. But fingers crossed he can develope into a world class no.10. He needs good coaches around him and be willing to listen and work hard to become a great player. Unfortunately i'm not sure if he's getting the right coaching. Only time will tell.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that joe..

05 Jan 2016 19:32:55
One thing I most definitely agree with Woburnblue is we should be thankful for having Barkley. He's young and will improve. He has 10 years to develop. No doubt in my mind he will.

Would try and keep him at the club at all costs. He has top class potential and also plenty of time to fulfill that potential.

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05 Jan 2016 19:48:47
Swan I don't believe I actually mentioned you when I said people love to see some players fail. Must have hit a nerve. Interesting you seem to have a file on all the young lads faults, that sounds like an obsession to me. I also have not said he is perfect, but what I will say is he is better than any other we have. Yes he's not the best defensive midfielder, but then we already have two of them.
Cleverly a better player? Not in my opinion he's not. Runs around a lot and works hard, but lacks the technical ability of Ross. This is only my opinion, don't really care if you agree or not.
But I am not one of those who goes to the game just to moan and pick fault in the team and its players. And I can tell you this, after following this team for the last four decades, this is the worst home support I have ever witnessed. And I watched them
in the nineties ffs. Like the players I prefer our away games, the support of our fans there is absolutely awesome, and always has been.

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05 Jan 2016 21:01:35
So when you replied toy post by saying "If you really watched Ross play instead of sitting there praying he will do something wrong so that you can have a moan about him. ", the "you" was aimed at who? So it wasn't me, who then? Stevie Wonder? Winston Churchill? Scooby-Doo? .

On a serious note, I agree 100%, I love going to Goodison but it has become a chore the last 2 seasons purely because of the fans. Boo everything, scream vile things towards players, never clap or sing. A large portion of the fans at Goodison have turned in to vile, hate filled monsters. I said a few days ago and I stick by it, it won't be long before there will be things thrown at the players and pitch invasions by members of the crowd, against our own players.

Don't get me started on the vile abuse given to opposition players like Walters and Holtby (both blues called Kopite (insert swear word here) . Now, Pedro gets called all sorts, why? Zamora, Shaqiri, Eriksen, what have they done to us to deserve some of the things shouted at them? .

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05 Jan 2016 22:04:48
sadly Swan it's easier for people to vent their own limitations out on to the team, and blame them for their own failings. Gone are the days I used to stand in Gwaldys Street singing songs and generally having a good laugh, even when losing.
Not sure if part of the reason is because we have been brainwashed into believing all the hype that this is our best ever team, so we expect more. Really don't know.
Think we have a lot of Stevie Wonders watching the match some weeks lol.

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04 Jan 2016 23:55:56
Hello Toffees and Happy New Year.

Gutted about the position we are in. Coming out of a low point in my life I decided to wire into recent EFC performances. I wish I had not. The stats are beyond argument. Suffice to say that the data found is more of a mirror reflection than a haze shimmer of what went on in RM's previous managerial career.

I can only offer a ray of hope that past lessons will prevent repetition. The top and bottom of the problem is to stop the, "direct shots at goal" and "giving away possession that leads to a goal" - in both instances EFC hold bottom place in this seasons EPL. Of course, enviable attacking is not as good as it should be as yes, we hold more "misses at direct shots at goal" than a top 4 team should suffer.

We are in desperate need for a field marshal who chews the heads off any failing EFC player, is competent at putting the tackle in swift and hard on the opposition and holds a high percentage of forward passes leading to an attacking situation. Who is out there? I would ask that John Stones does not feel the need to dribble out of the box on every occasion.

I want Phil back in to provide sage advice on the field. I would not change the way we attack as its a picture of beauty but here's clue. I cannot understand that as a professional you must feel shame for not hitting the target more than less.

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05 Jan 2016 07:01:53
I agree mate, once Jags is back then this should make a big difference, he has also had a great view of the whole match for a while (on the bench) so can hopefully see where things are going wrong.

I would hazard a guess that John Stones is overdoing the dribbling out of the box a lot as he is on the shop window, just my opinion.

Happy New Year mate.

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05 Jan 2016 08:33:19
Need someone of Reid's ilk in midfield to disrupt and carry. Barry has been good but at this level, tiredness soon catches up. Likewise Tim. Personally I would encourage Robles by giving him more game time (rather than put him in his place) and play Besic and McArthy in front of the back 4.

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05 Jan 2016 08:41:53
Surely one issue is the tactic of playing two holding midfielders in front of a back four? this is clearly not working as shown by the amount of goals we concede.
Maybe a change of tactic, we have great attacking options potentially two of the best attacking full backs maybe the midfield needs more creativity, Besic surely staked his claim the other night, and Cleverley is improving.

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05 Jan 2016 09:41:58
He did look good Wakka and the atmosphere totally changed after he done that first tough tackle, hope he plays tomorrow mate.

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05 Jan 2016 09:53:55
Besic and McArthy together would give the best of both Worlds. Both can hold, tackle, harass and carry, whereas Barry and McArthy means that McArthy will get leggy and hence prone to injury.

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05 Jan 2016 10:41:18
I hope he plays to Murf he has due to injury and RM not wanting to never had a decent run of games, he has legs that will cover ground unlike Barry who just seems to get slower, he would be great alongside mcCarthy.

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