Everton Banter Archive December 05 2019

05 Dec 2019 21:32:05
Absolutely made up that big Dunc will get at least a game in charge.
He is and always will be my favourite Everton player (well unless we sign someone else who goes around scoring goals and head butting anyone who gets in their way)
Will be interesting to see who is in his starting 11. He always showed courage and fight as a player let's hope he has the conviction to do the same as a manager.

05 Dec 2019 21:52:53
Interesting Smitt, can I ask do you think he warrants this opportunity given he has been round x5 managers and still has not lost his jobs? Is he somehow rightly exempt or are his hands as dirty as the other failures?

05 Dec 2019 21:54:39
Smit if big dunc picked me to play I would play my heart out at the thought of getting his abuse after the game lol.

05 Dec 2019 21:55:03
Agree mate.

05 Dec 2019 22:05:41
Or. like Lukaku I would look at him and think. I’ve scored more goals and more premier league than you ever did and I’m 23 years old. ‘Run up my back and go steal a living elsewhere’
By your reckonings Roy Keane, Souness and Mark Hughes would have had the same effect as managers No? .

05 Dec 2019 22:07:03
I've said this before Blu. He has been around since the Moyes days so has been there whilst we finished 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th twice so if he is to be held responsible for the two 11th place finishes then he deserves credit for the other finishes.
He is an everton legend and has outlasted 5 managers so he must have something going for him.

05 Dec 2019 22:19:36
Sorry Smit, on this we will have to disagree. My Everton legends have won titles and didn’t turn up for just x6 games a season. I respect your opinion my friend and whilst he single handedly scared the living day lights out of Liverpool for a good few seasons I don’t think he was kept on as he is doing something right. It smacks more of Sentimental Bill to me.

05 Dec 2019 22:25:31
Rubbish. Alex ferguson wasnt a great footballer, Mourinho wasn't even a footballer but were/ are great managers, they won nothing as players. Did the players look at them and say what have you done a s a player? No.
If you think Dunc doesn't deserve to manage us for one game whilst we search for a manager then that is your opinion, although it is based on absolutely no info on what dunc has done in his day to day job for the last 5 managers.
Moshiri has been our owner for the last 4 management failures, do you want him out too on the same thought process?

05 Dec 2019 22:44:26
Well there’s one thing is certain, he can’t do any worse.

05 Dec 2019 23:02:55
No he does deserve a go, your right for sure. Legend. NO, again my opinion that’s all he played 9 mins in a Cup Final, him, Cahill, Arteta great players but legends nah not for me. (Makes me cringe when they are described as legends as the likes of Southall, Reid et al must be Demi-gods to people who think they are legends.
Do I want Moshiri out, that’s a difficult one for me as the Man pretty much OWNs the club. He is putting the money in (regardless of where it’s coming from) and therefore has the right to do what he wants legally. Dunk is a member of staff on a wage.
Be good if he was a success though of course but I want the whole lot of them gone and a new manager to make huge changes top to bottom to change the culture at my club.

06 Dec 2019 00:36:19
I don't know why we are wasting our time arguing whether Dunc deserves a game or two in charge.

What matters is that, compared to other sides, Everton have handled this process badly and we look like a bunch of idiots. It's not as if it's our first time at this either

How we think we will better attract top managers after this is beyond me.

06 Dec 2019 06:05:01
The manager can't change anything Blu. That should be Brands job and that's the model we have chosen.
Our managers are just coaches and are expected to get the team winning, moyes and others would struggle in that model I suspect.

{Ed025's Note - i think so too smit..

06 Dec 2019 07:11:24
100% Smit, that’s where I wonder if we have the ‘model wrong’ but a lot of teams are adopting that approach it seems. Brands role has never been more significant in choosing a successor (if that truly is our model) ? 👍.

06 Dec 2019 07:18:57
Don't know him personally smit, I hope he inspires. Surprised that the Club appear not to have had someone lined up and instead there is a 4 man short list apparently.

06 Dec 2019 09:17:09
I'm sorry - he's been with the club for years but what does he actually do?
He's not assistant manager (didn't Sammy Lee take the team when Fat Sam swanned off for the weekend that time) , he hasn't any managerial experience, even at U23 level
Apparently he did some extra training with the forwards - no evidence of any success is there?

Please - someone must know what we have been paying him for all these years other than just drinks boy and club ambassador

I liked him as a player but some of the decisions we are making are, putting it mildly, weird.

05 Dec 2019 18:49:37
Although I'm a red I've been sitting in the paddock quite regularly over the last 20 years thanks to my neighbour being a blue. I have to say this is the worst defence I've ever seen. Keane belongs in league 1 with his brother he's a tranmere player at best, Mina should go back To South America as he doesn't seem to understand European football at all. Pickford is too small for a goalkeeper and is mid table quality at best and the lack of a proper cdm to sit and cover the defence is also atrocious. Other than that the attack looks very young and promising so I'd say you should literally rebuild your defence. Good luck I'm one of the few reds that'd be gutted if you lot go down.

05 Dec 2019 18:59:57
Not a bad summary. Pickford really thinks he is better than he is, the defence and midfield are woeful.

05 Dec 2019 19:10:05
Can't argue with any of that, lerchy. The club want to stop with stringing out the situation and tell him either to go or, heaven forbid, back him. This waiting around is doing nobody any favours. If he stays then I'd be inclined to agree that they will be in trouble but if they make the change now then they have a chance of saving the season.

05 Dec 2019 19:27:28
Agreed lerchy. The 3 centre halves that played last night is the worst performance I’ve ever seen from professional footballers. Long ball over the top, caught out everytime. It was unbelievable to see but now Silva is gone then hopefully we can tighten up. We need someone to replace Gueye asap. McCarthy was the closest we had to Gueye but he’s gone now.

05 Dec 2019 20:36:55
Silva had to go. Some of his decision making was terrible but I think he was also a bit unlucky. The Club failed to get him an experienced striker and centre half and he has been without Gbamin, Gomes and Delph for most of the season. That midfield would have made a huge difference last night.

05 Dec 2019 15:24:04
Last nights game might still be a bit raw in the mind but we have to move on from it, no matter how horrible the resulting day has been. That score line hurt more than it should have as, hand on heart, I couldn't see us outscoring a rampant Liverpool team. As it happens, we couldn't outscore their reserve squad either but I suspect we would have struggled against any team they put out, no matter what age group.
All that aside, Silva should've been given his marching orders weeks ago, most of us agree on that. The simple truth of the matter is that losing 9 out of 15 games is relegation form and not good enough for the cash that has been spent by us since FM took over the helm. Nearly 500m spent and all we have to show for it is a spot in the bottom 3. It's actually depressing.
There are reports that FM is on his way/ has arrived at Finch Farm and I can only live in hope that they are correct. Silva needs to be put out of his misery but the board have also got to get their act together, none of this was on the Moshiri blue-print when he first came waltzing through Walton. Another bad managerial appointment and there's a possibility the fan base will turn on him. It really is a horrible day!

05 Dec 2019 17:30:32
Am I the only one that was not surprised at last nights game the only surprising thing was we scored 2 goals.

05 Dec 2019 22:17:37
Well you are right up to now Ed002. Silva gone and DF in charge for the weekend.

05 Dec 2019 14:30:07
Whether it's signing players, sacking managers, getting a new stadium, or renewing contracts - there is one thing for sure - Everton will take weeks and weeks with poor communication to get anything done.
Everyone knows he is getting sacked - everyone knows Moyes will be coming in as short term - not everyone's cup of tea but it's going to happen.
For God sake EFC - just get on and do it!

05 Dec 2019 17:37:45
What surprises me is the way they have communicated and the ongoing new stadium business has been first class, so how on earth can it be a shamble getting it right on the pitch, management is all about putting the right people in the right place.
let Brands get on with running the football club let him bring in the person he wants, this is what he does as a job and what we wanted him for.

5 Dec 2019 13:30:01
{Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

05 Dec 2019 14:22:36
Awful wasnt it Ed? For us, I mean! Haha.

05 Dec 2019 12:33:39
Leonardo Jardim and Erik Ten Hag latest to be linked, reports say Mr Moshiri prefers the Monaco coach while Marcel prefers Erik Ten Hag.

05 Dec 2019 11:07:47
Marco silva might not be the right man for Everton but I've said it before as long as our spine consists of Pickford, Keane, schneiderlin, Siggy and DCL, no manager will succeed.
Keane, schneiderlin and Siggy being the worst culprits. They go hiding and I've lost count of how many goals keane and schneiderlin have cost us this season.
Iwobi and Tom had poor games but at least they wanted the ball.

05 Dec 2019 11:22:57
Agree with you the spine of the team is not there, Keane was atrocious last night and Sigurdsson anonymous, Pickford maybe could have done better for a couple of the goals also.
How he continues to pick them baffles me, these youngsters that are in the under 23s and are supposedly highly thought of must be so frustrated to see the same dross being picked week in week out while they don’t get a look in.
If we’re not careful it won’t only be the first team that will need rebuilding it’ll be the under 23s also.

05 Dec 2019 11:23:07
''Marco silva might not be the right man for Everton''

Marco silva 'IS' not the right man for Everton 'NO' doubts anymore!

This team needs a proper manager that understands football management that's what's wrong with this team!

05 Dec 2019 12:23:41
Exactly Smit, I know we have had a lot of injured players so Silva has had problems with who he can select but his reliance on Schneiderlin, Siggy and Keane have cost him his job, they should have been dumped and replacements brought in over the last few windows. We have to fire Silva immediately and get in someone who can identify and recruit replacements this January window, God knows who this will be.

05 Dec 2019 12:46:25
Still believe the players are not good enough, I would put them all up for sale with the exception of Richarlison and Digne the rest are not up to the job, I would be surprised if they would be wanted by any other Premiership Club.

05 Dec 2019 12:50:29
''immediately and get in someone who can identify and recruit replacements this January window''
Totally agree Mike .

05 Dec 2019 13:26:08
Everton fc are normally a class club when it comes to supporting people charity and local issues, let’s hope this is the case with Silva, if he’s going let it be with dignity and not drag it out with him being the scapegoat that fans vent their displeasure at on the weekend!
Although he’s still paid to do the job and its obviously not working then put him out of his misery as he cannot change things round at this late stage!

05 Dec 2019 15:29:29
think we were very lucky not to concede more than the 5 last night they hit are right side with 40 50 yard passes think marco has to go think he's lost players confidence just look like he was lost on sidelines as for new manager i have no idea but just hope whoever it is all of us have got to get behind him and make goodison park a place were away teams struggle to play and start picking up points.

05 Dec 2019 10:34:53
Just boycott the ground and don't turn up I know it's hard but I think it's the only way to show them we don't want Moyes back I for one will stay away.

05 Dec 2019 08:21:44
Well blues I reckon by this time tomorrow we will see David Moyes taking charge of training with BK getting his wish of bringing him back.

{Ed047's Note - wow I literally can’t wait, said no one EVER.

05 Dec 2019 08:55:00
david please come.

05 Dec 2019 08:45:11
Yep, that's correct Ed and that is the state of our club that we have this to look forward too if it weren't already bad enough.

{Ed047's Note - surely it’s not going to happen mate

05 Dec 2019 09:41:03
I am repeating myself from a couple of years ago but whoever comes in we need to get behind them and get ourselves out of this mess.

05 Dec 2019 09:26:59
How can a Manager who’s been sacked/ mutually agreed to leave at every club he’s been at since us even be considered if he hadn’t managed us in the past we wouldn’t even look at his cv so just because he’s a past manager you excuse his failings no thank you his last good season was what 11 years ago come on Everton aim higher.

05 Dec 2019 11:01:00
The only way we salvage something from this season is if we all stick together, talk of boycotting because of Moyes isn't going to help the situation. Who ever comes back the team and push them along. I can live with Moyes short term, I'd personally go for Rafa in summer.
COYB let's pull together.

05 Dec 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th December 2019

04 Dec 2019 23:58:59
First off whoever comes in should have good English. it has been difficult to understand Emery, Silva, and a few other premier managers. allowing for the fact that many players are from abroad, it still instills confidence in the fans when the person coming in can tell us clearly what their stategy is through a good grasp of the language. needless to say, Klopp has that is spades.
In the shape or lack of it that we have at the moment, Benitez appears to be a good candidate. maybe not what everyone would want but we have to dig ourselves out before we can begin to breathe easily. To be honest, Digne, Richarlison and Bernard are the ones worth building around. Gomez (down the line) and Gbamin we don´t know enough about. about. but our three centre backs are way off the pace at the top level and there needs to be someone in the middle of the park at centre half or centre midfield to captain the side. maybe Delph. We definitely need to lose a number who will not move on easily. and it will be at a substantial loss. Who would have thought we would have wasted so much money after having so little for so long. We have some talent, but far from a team of it.

05 Dec 2019 05:45:41
I don’t care if I can understand him or not. I want a winner who the players understand.

05 Dec 2019 06:28:30
We need a manager with charisma. You only have to look at Klopp the way he instills confidence in his players. Whoever we get it's a relegation fight. Maybe we should go for the Brighton manager? Saw their game against Liverpool and they played great football and didn't deserve to get beat! No wonder they have given him a new contract . He obviously knows what he is doing unlike Silva. If he doesn't go today there is something drastically wrong with the management at board level.

05 Dec 2019 08:47:55
i don't get this thing of they have to speak english? poch couldn't speak english for 2 years when he came? bielsa can't speak english now with leeds? its called a translator and easy enough for any premier league club to have one.