Everton Banter Archive August 05 2018

 

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05 Aug 2018 23:12:24
Just need Pique and Barbuda now. 😂😂.

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05 Aug 2018 22:05:03
How many of us said at the end of last season said:

I want Williams, Mirrallas, Snids out.

We need a CB, LB and a left winger that compliments Walcott on the right.

More progressive football with an emphasis on attack.

Walsh and Sam gone.

A change in direction.

There's more still to do and Snids is still there but we've wished and it's coming true. The seed is planted, now it's time to let it grow.

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06 Aug 2018 08:17:26
Brands planted, Silva watered and the crowd kept making it grow. Now let’s play our part. Starting with those already noisy Wolves fans.

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05 Aug 2018 20:46:28
In response to bw2412 v2.0 re the question who am I having a go at re center backs etc. I am having a go at the Everton Football Club and successive managers. Especially since Moyes. Here we are some years after Moyes left with 36 year old center back, a 33 year old left back and have only in the last week addressed the left back issue and have not yet addressed the center back issue. And we kick off next week in the toughest league in the world. So no one person is to blame. successive managers are. and I guess that means the chairman and Moshiri are to blame for more changes than was necessary. Well you did ask!

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{Ed025's Note - again degs the power of hindsight is a wonderful thing, yes mistakes have been made no one can argue otherwise mate, but this is a new start for us and going over old ground does not help, you need to get over your love affair with moyes and look to the future which we all need to do..

05 Aug 2018 21:27:51
Good news Degsy though. It does look like Mina is coming. How do you feel about him?

To be honest I didn't take a lot of notice of him and I watched every Barcelona game. Although he did look aggressive on the pitch and had a a brilliant desire to win the ball.

I knew more about Digne and can't believe they let him come. Both seem to want to play regular football and have ambition.

Now for a number 8 and 6.😉.

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05 Aug 2018 22:31:13
Forget the blame game and look to the future. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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05 Aug 2018 23:06:23
Rome only took about 100 years to build, the way we are going double that lol.

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06 Aug 2018 02:52:18
Degsyp - I agree that we are short on CD but disagree that the previous managers have not tried to rectify the matter. We bought Funes Mori, I don't remember a lot of dissenters when we bought him but he didn't work out both before his injury and after his injury - we were totally right to let him go as long as we have replacements in place before the season starts (ideally already I know) . Williams, nobody complained about us signing him, especially in the first season he was another Distin but he tailed off dramatically last season and again it was the right decision to let him go. Keane, another popular addition when we bought him but what a disappointment so far. I'm hoping he just needs a leader beside him to get the best out of him but he never got it with Williams downturn in form and injuries to Jagielka. I also think the injuries to Colman and Baines and Scheiderlins attitude lasr season didn't help the defensive unit at all. We also have had youngsters 'coming through' Galloway, Browning, Pennington who have sadly failed to materialise.

I also have to disagree with your assessment that 23-26 is the primetime for central defenders as that we should only have players in thius age range. First of all age is just a number. Some players look after themselvesand otheres don't whether its injury or attitude or genetics. There are some great players out there who are oe who have played past 30, Ronaldo, Messi, Modic, Ibrahimovic, Pirlo, Iniesta to name a few. Defenders - are you saying we shouldn't have had Jagielka for the past 9 years when he has been one of best, quickest players? Same goes for Baines. John Terry and Gary Cahill shouldn't have been getting titles with Chelsea, the list could go on for days but I hope you get my point.

I also think you are being a bit unfair on the board at Everton. They have their faults but Kenwright has given every manger since Moyes his full backing although he doesn't have the financial clout of a Ibrahimovich or Dubai he has put his money up. We now have Moshiri and he is doing the same. He backed Koeman and he is doing the same with Silva/ Brands as well as moving the new stadium along. Mistakes? Yes, we let Lukaku go without a replacement for one. Walsh was never a DOF but again most were happy to see him come. Some supporters have had doubts about the appointment of Martinez or Koeman and now Silva but we could have signed Mourhinio or Guardiola and some would be saying we don't have the money to satify them.

At the end of the day degsyp Martinez, Koeman and Walsh ahve all gone. We are left with Silva and Brands, who together with a new board are trying to put things right, give us a team we can be proud of and a new stadium in a couple of years.
Its time we, as supporters, get behind them
In the past I have spoken up for you and tried to support what you have said because a lot of it is good when heard the first time but the constant drip drip drip of the same things, based in complaints about mistakes by previous managers in the past is not constructive. You are better than this degsyp, forget the past, give us your views on Mina, any other targets we should be going for and what your vision is of the future
Like Johny 1989 I'd love a pint with you one day. I think we'd actually agree more than we would disagree. Unfortunately as I now live in Thailand and you live in Devon it might be difficult but you never know.

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05 Aug 2018 23:35:36
Ok guys. I will go with the flow and see what develops. re hindsight Ed. I was answering as to why I kept repeating myself. so that's not really hindsight. more like I have been saying this for ages. but yes let's all drop it. The one thing that is true is we all now know we need at least 2 center backs. the one bit of hindsight I never had was how poor Keane would turn out. that's why I am hoping Holgate (who is still only 21) will turn out to be a cracking center half. John Stones is the only other one I have seen with his maturity at that age. Yes Stones made mistakes and looked at times weak. but his world cup shows what is ahead of him. As for Schneids. I feel he just slows things down far too much and is half of our problem. BJU is right that the other problem areas have beed addressed in the main. I am not sure about Mina? Not seen enough of him if I am honest. I just know for sure that if we don't address the center half position, we will be like we were last season. starting games having to score 2 or 3 goals because we can't keep a clean sheet. I know Allardyce bored the crap out of everyone, but our defence was so bad we looked like we would concede all the time. he addressed that by defending in numbers and bored us all senseless! We need 2 center backs and hope Holgate can be one in my view. He could certainly pair with Mina from the little I know about Mina. One big and aggressive the other quicker and more athletic. The Rat and Mountfield again? There is a though eh?

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{Ed025's Note - i think we will definitely get one CH degsy and mina looks like he could be the one, who pairs up with him is the big question mate..

06 Aug 2018 08:10:40
I like Holgate but as Degsy has said previously he's still young and raw. Hopefully, if Mina comes in, it may give him time and less pressure to develop.

I'd still like another but I'd get the 6 and 8 now. Or am I just being greedy?

On another note. The quality of signing this year compared to last is huge improvement on what Walsh was bringing in. Take Ricky compared to Yannick and Cuco compared to Digne alone! Plus potentially Mina compared to Keane and Williams!

Still very early days but it gives you a bit more confidence they will get it right.

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06 Aug 2018 08:48:18
We've got a long way to go but hopefully the ship is turning and facing the right direction now. I agree 2 CD's would be nice, hopefully Mina and Lindeloff or Jones. A replacement for Scheiderlin who doesn't do it for me and Batshuayi or Welbeck as icing on top of the cake
Keep working Marcel and Marco - we are a greedy bunch.

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06 Aug 2018 09:01:34
I wish I had seen bw2412 v2.0's previous big post before replying late last night. Mate, that is a great post and whilst I don't agree with all of it, you make some very valid points about the club, age and other things. I will just touch on a few things. the age thing. Yes I take what you say about players having a longer age duration. Maybe I was a bit mean with my age range for a center half. but I was trying to get a point over about our defence in general. It we are striving to attain top 6 now os soon, we need the best players. For the last 2 seasons I was saying on posts on here that we needed to replace our aging defence. particularly Jags and Baines with immediate replacements. And overall we signed the ones you list. But clearly they have not worked out and the only 2 who are in their prime are Mori and Keane. The others are all too old or too young to "boss" the defence. That is really what I was trying to say. Because after selling Mori we are now down to one CH in our squad who should be at his prime. Keane. I don't think any of you will argue that point now. Re blaming Kenwright, I have never ever put any blame on his shoulders before. For any single thing. But he is in charge and at the end of the day, this particular point and the change of managers in such quick succession has been disruptive for EFC. I bet if you asked him, he would agree he made mistakes on this point. Re all the rest, I generally agree. I hope Mina will sign and be great. or even we get a couple of others in. One thing is for sure, our squad was woefully disrupted by the constant changes and poor transfer windows in recent years. I have never known it be as bad as this for most of my life. maybe when Mike Walker took over? But yes we seem to be addressing the issues. if I can just let you all know that I am quite positive overall. it might not seem it. but I try to repond to other peoples' comments in a broad way and as an example, one previous poster said that age does not matter. but clearly it does or we would not be having the conversation about replacing Jags and Baines. and that comment is there in the back of my mind. re bw2412 v2.0's comment that I am wrong saying 23 - 26 is the peak age for a CH. yes I was being too tight with my age group. but 36 for Jags is clearly past it. Perhaps I should have added that only very exceptional defenders go past say 31 or 32? But that still leaves Jags at 36 and Baines at 32. Sorry for winding you guys up. Season starts soon eh? 3 days to wait for a CH.

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06 Aug 2018 09:52:46
Good post degsy.
This close season is a lot different to last.
Last season most of our business done early, a bit of a wait for Sigurdson and disappointment right at the end regarding replacement for Lukaku. Generally though we were all fairly pleased with the window. How wrong we turned out to be.

This close season I think we were unsure on Richarlison, especially at the money paid out but he looks a real gem pre season. Then frustration over slowness. We finally got Digne over the line (a really good signing in my opinion) and fingers crossed a storming finish the next 4 days and everyone hopefully happy with what has taken place. It's not there yet but better times ahead. Don't let me down Marcel and Marco - I'm pinning all my blind faith on you 2!


COYB NSNO.

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06 Aug 2018 11:04:16
Well as you know I had doubts about our squad. age, imbalance of left sided players, central defence and a player who slows things up way too much (goalkeeper was ok tho) . but out of all the problems, we seem to have dealt with or be dealing with: age, left sided players and hopefully the central defence. I just hope beyond hope that we have one of those moments where we all sit around saying, "Well I was not expecting that! " and we sign some really fast midfielder who injects pace and some aggression into the midfield. Another Peter Reid/ Alan Ball or anyone with just a bit of skill, aggression but above all a desire to get forwards with trust of the defenders behind him. Then maybe if Silva can get them gelling. we will have a half decent team.

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06 Aug 2018 13:25:19
A thumb up Degsy. 😉👍.

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05 Aug 2018 20:00:42
Chelsea today no Ruben Loftus-Cheek or Michy Batshuayi. Are they back at Chelsea or are they back tomorrow.
Also not great viewing was Barkley's performance today. I know it wasn't great how he left us but "once a Blue".

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{Ed002's Note - They were back today - their first day. All of the others like Kante, Courtois, Cahill, Giroud are back today and Hazard tomorrow.}

05 Aug 2018 21:40:46
Thanks Ed.

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05 Aug 2018 21:52:00
Loftus-Cheek played against Arsenal in the International Champions Cup in Dublin on August 1st. He missed a penalty in the shoot out.

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05 Aug 2018 19:35:47
Anyone think martial would be a viable option or no chance eh guys?

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{Ed002's Note - Not a chance.}

05 Aug 2018 19:45:46
Cheers ed. Just a thought ;)

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05 Aug 2018 20:17:00
If he is available, which is likely, there’d be some big hitters in for him. Spurs and PSG have been linked.

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06 Aug 2018 00:28:29
Cheers BLUE79.

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05 Aug 2018 19:30:02
So links are to one of Man Utd cbs either Rojo Smalling or even Lindelof
Gibson is now gone to Burnley so what’s everyone’s thoughts?
Or maybe Brands might surprise us.

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05 Aug 2018 20:47:48
Think he just might have done ST.

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05 Aug 2018 14:11:50
Any 1 for Ben meet to partner Keane play well together.

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05 Aug 2018 12:18:14
We've been away for a while so for those of you who have'nt been to Molineux before;
Approx 3000 of you (s) will be situated in the Steve Bull stand, lower tier. Steve Bull is a living legend all time record goalscorer and England hero. Above you will be 6000 of us and due to the kick off time some of us may have had a couple of drinks. The Steve Bull stand has it's own song and as you are in the Steve Bull you will need to know the words so that you can join in.
Oh, Stevie Bull's a tatter
He wears an England cap
He plays for Wolverhampton
And he is a lovely chap
He scores with his left foot
He scores with his right And when we play the Albion
He'll score all (through) the night.

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05 Aug 2018 13:15:22
Love it, but have you got one about your keeper picking the ball out of his own net, you might be singing that at the weekend, premier league is a whole different world from the championship, good luck with the season, nice to see you back up in the big leagu.

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05 Aug 2018 13:29:25
Always good when your greatest ever player is actually a West Brom fan.
I really don’t think you need to teach us your songs, go on the wolves page and teach your own fans, most of them won’t have been to a game before and are glory hunting after promotion.
It’s clear this game is more important to you and for us it’s yet another game in the top division.
Boing boing.

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05 Aug 2018 14:00:51
Bloody hell Stu, he was only having a laugh. Not sure there’s any need to go to town on him.

Jesus, if we’re not laying into each other on here we’re doing it to visiting fans from other teams.

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05 Aug 2018 14:29:33
Steve Bull was one of the best bench warmers England have ever had. He used to give great encouragement to the second choice striker who was substituted on.

I can't wait for the season to start but agree we need another preseason routing of the opposition until the season really starts and you guys will do for that.

Might take that Neves off you next summer though when you're getting rid of your players after being relegated. We also need a couple of bench warmers ourselves! 😮😜.

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05 Aug 2018 14:41:37
Steve Bull was a great striker. Even back then, it was rare to see someone forego the move to a bigger club and stay loyal. The reason he was an England benchwarmer was only because he didn't play for a fashionable club. Had a lot of respect for the guy. I also think we need to be careful about getting too cocky about Wolves. They will surprise a lot of people this year, very possibly starting with us next week.

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05 Aug 2018 15:04:01
Windsor we are all just having a laugh mate. Like he was when he posted the message how gutted he was to be playing a team like Everton on the first day rather than a big club.
It’s all just jokes and banter.

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05 Aug 2018 15:04:21
I think some people get this BANTER site mixed up with the sour puss site. 😜

Don't jump on me I'm only having a bit of banter. 🙄👍.

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05 Aug 2018 20:29:11
I agree with you there BJU.

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05 Aug 2018 20:36:24
Steve Bull was a great player back in the day, got to salute the fact he stayed at Wolves for as long as he did when he could have moved on to bigger teams. I don't mean any disrespect by saying that, if memory serves me right he got a call up to the England squad when he was playing in the second tier. I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong! Good luck to Wolves as from the second game of this season!

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05 Aug 2018 20:41:55
You're alright Degsy. I like you. I probably pee you off as mich you pee me off. However, and this goes for DFS and others that are on the other end of spectrum to my views sometimes/ all the time (delete as appropriate) I fricken love you. We are brothers bound by a love of the greatest gift anyone could get - EVERTON.

It's clear you are pationate about OUR club, we all are on here.

Regardless of managers or players or whatever, I know if we win we will all be singing and dancing. Because that's what we want and crave.

There is no malice towards the blues on here. Just a genuine caring for our amazing, wonderful club.

NSNO COYB.

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06 Aug 2018 00:08:23
*passionate. Brain freeze.

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05 Aug 2018 11:37:51
So the squad size is currently 28 with the possibility of 3 or 4 leaving (Besic, Pennington, Bolasie and possibly Sandro) .
McCarthy is long term injured.

Ideally between 2 and 4 coming in, if we can get them.
This should leave a squad of between 25 and 27 for the start of the season.
We have to commend Brands and Silva for getting rid of so many players, some players I never thought we'd shift.

January and next summer should see a completely different everton team that we have now.

Ideally for me, 4 out and 4 in.

Good times ahead.

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05 Aug 2018 11:56:05
I agree with your post exept on one point, I think we are a very long way from good times sadly.

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05 Aug 2018 13:18:33
I don't think we will see much more in now, centre back i believe and that will be that, can't see besic going or bolasie leaving, but can see the youngsters out on loan, McCarthy needs to be sold while we can get something for him, injuries are starting to mount up, if we had the chance which I don't think we will, RLC would be great on loan, but I cannot see Chelsea letting him go out after his world cup.

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05 Aug 2018 14:19:12
I'll be happy with a CB but really want a no8 and another no6 to go with it but wish he'd give Besic a go in the 6.

I'd even give Besic a go in the CB position as he can play there just to see if we can make it work with him.

We're not far away from what I think can get us to 7th and maybe challenge a faltering top 6 side. However, anything in the top 10 will do for this season and some solid foundations for next year.

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05 Aug 2018 17:57:46
sell Jimmy mc? are u mad mate he's are best cm when fit and its not like its a dodgy hammy is it he broke his leg covering for morgan being a complete poobag pulling out of a tackle.

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05 Aug 2018 19:13:48
Bluejohnus we consistently challenged for top 7 season after season but alas not good enough for some fans. Now years later along you come and state finishing top 7 will be achievement.

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05 Aug 2018 19:23:02
For Marco to build his own team will take at least 3 Windows so 2 that he wants now is good. Any more will be a bonus. 2 or 3 each window will probably be the norm. Look at last summer 6 in and only Pickford a real hit while Sigurdson and Keane have the jury still out if you read here regularly. Too many in at once causes disruption, we did it Palace QPR and Sunderland have done the same over the past few seasons, watch how the Hammers fare now as they have done the same this summer. Unless you have bottomless pockets like Chelsea and City had in the past ìt just doesn't work so we need some of that patience everyone said they had 6 weeks ago.

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05 Aug 2018 20:01:38
😂😂are you one of those with unrealistic expectations DFS? I think me and quite a few others understand we have a new manager and a bit of work to do this season to make us truly competitive.

I'm happy to see better football this year and challenge for positions in the top half. #keepingitreal.

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05 Aug 2018 09:46:22
Okay let's have a bit of light hearted stating. Just to show how pointless preseason results truly are.

Since 2010, couldn't be bothered going further back, we have won 28 games, drew 11 and lost 22.

In 2010 we won all our games finishing 7th, impressive.

In 2011 we only won 3 and we lost 3. We finished 7th.

In 2014 we didn't win any and finished 11th.

In 2015 we won 3 losing 2 finishing 11th.

In 2013 we won 3 drew one and lost 3 and finished 5th.

Our last game on 6th Aug we lost against VALENCIA!

The glass is ALWAYS half full!

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05 Aug 2018 08:06:05
In reply to Degsy. I have never once said we do not need a CB or a LB, ever. So I have not buried my head in the sand. However, I am looking at the bigger picture and will put posts up about an array of different negatives AND positives.

If you read my post about the game yesterday it clearly stated the issues we ALL saw yesterday about the CB and LB positions. However, I'm not blind with hysteria and also saw the good points of our game.

What I don't do, unlike you, is put up post after post on the same subject, almost copying and pasting the same point and not put one positive aspect of the match or any progress of the team.

It's constant without any let up. You jump on other people's posts to put the same thing up.

The facts: we need a CB: the club is looking for CB.

We needed a LB: We got a LB.

Now give us a break and let the club get on with it.

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05 Aug 2018 15:02:25
Amen to that BlueJohn mate.

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05 Aug 2018 19:43:57
For me Gueye being forward of Schneiderlin can be discounted because the lad was putting himself about and trying to make things work. Apart from Gueye, our centre from No 10 back may just as well have stayed in the dressing room. I respect other peoples opinions Bluejohnus when they make sense. I ask now does anyone who was at the game see anything different from what I have stated.

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05 Aug 2018 20:02:59
Do you not respect your own then?

P. s. I was there as usual.

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05 Aug 2018 20:38:26
Yes BJU I always repeat my posts with a hint of realism. Just like you repeat your posts with eternal optimism. It has got a bit personal lately though as some other posters have said. You come on and dismiss my comments and Guernseyblue and a couple of others say things like, "amen" to that. I also thought it was a banter site. If you want to just have everyone agreeing with you and not pointing possible differences of opinion, perhaps you should start a "lets praise everything about Everton site. even if things don't look that good. I swear if I came on here and said black was black. you would reply saying it was not. then Gurnseyblue would say, "you tell him BJU". Perhaps you 2 have some sort of relationship that means more than seeing what is goinng on around you? Listen mate, let's just accept that each of us has a different view and see what happens this season. My posts were mainly about the defensive frailties of our great club. I was posting them 10 weeks ago and was shot down in flames for saying so. At least now you are sort of agreeing with me.

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06 Aug 2018 07:31:56
Nothing personal Degsy. I don't know you. It's just my response to your opinion.

I always post about the negatives as well and I'm not always positive. I just have a calmer manner in raising them. I also never keep looking back to 4, 5, 6 years ago in making my point. I just stick to the hear and now.

I'm a positive person even in normal everyday life. I like a joke, banter, ribbing and I love a wind up but I also take Everton serious. Trust me it's a better way to live.

I'm not being a pied piper and wanting people to sing to my tune. Plenty have different oppinions including GB who gives plenty of his own and more than me but you tend to overtake people's if they're similar to yours. Plus you have your backers as well who agree with you. there's no them and us here. We support the same team.

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Review Of The Day 5th August 2018

05 Aug 2018 05:39:39
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th August 2018

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05 Aug 2018 04:54:40
Leaving aside the ageism issues of our defense a couple of other comments/ questions from last nights game.

What was the issue regarding Holgate? Looked on the web and couldn't see any injury news.

Sandro was disappointing again when he came on. Personally I was surprised he came on before Lookman. Not sure what is going on with Lookman - I get the impression that Silva is not as convinced in him as some of our supporters but if I had a choice I'd sell Sandro and keep Lookman.


Bolassie looks to be on his way out. TBH he never convinced me before his injury and it's another expensive salary to get off our books


That brings me to Scheiderlin. Why he's still with us is beyond me. His attitude is the biggest bug bare to me. I can't forgive his performances last year and attitude is not something you can change with training. He seems to only play on the left hand side, not even in front of the 2 CD's. He has no pace so people just pass him by and his tackling is often mistimed. His passes rarely go forward. What does he bring to the team consistently- not 2-3 games at the end of the season. That position should be the heartbeat of the team and the driving force - he's not. A new body here is almost as critical as CD.

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05 Aug 2018 08:40:31
I've wondered about Holgate as well BW. He would add pace to this defence. He's still a kid really and not the immediate answer. However, I would have given him some game time.

Sandro has given his all this summer to make an impression but that lack of composure clearly means he's not good enough at this level. Him and Coleman yesterday were not switched on together which cost us a goal. Coleman is taking a bit of time to get into the swing of things and was caught out a couple of times yesterday.

Snids is Snids. He did better yesterday to some degree but I want to see Besic given a run out with Gana. Ideally a new powerhouse brought in but at least just try something else. I've never liked Snids and Gana on the same pitch.

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05 Aug 2018 15:16:17
Just read there BW. Holgate has had Achilles tendonitis that has hampered his preseason but is an important part of Silvas plans.

No time on when he is due back though.

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05 Aug 2018 20:39:24
Read my previous views on Holgate BJU you will be surprised to see I said the same.

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06 Aug 2018 01:58:08
You've also said similar things as myself and BJU's on Scheiderlin in the past so we are not too far apart sometimes.

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05 Aug 2018 01:12:20
Good evening Blues. went to the Valencia game on Saturday with an open mind and not expecting too much. What I did see was an average Valencia side just slice through a non existant Everton midfield from very early on, thus placing our back four under immediate pressure. Sadly I felt for Leighton Baines as he was left for dead on a number of occasions by Rodrigo and he also struggled to get back into position after joining in a number of Everton attacks. didn't enjoy watching this once brilliant left back suffer this way, but its obvious that at 33 years of age, the writing is on the wall and I hope that all Evertonians still show Baines the respect he deserves as his Everton career draws to a close. Silva needs to buy a decent creative midfield player, a strong pacy centre back and a striker capable of scoring at least 10/ 15 goals per season if not more.
We were non existant in the 2nd half and after a raft of substitutions we lost all shape and purpose in the middle of the park and had very little threat up front. I must compliment Sandro Ramirez on his disguised cock up with Seamus Coleman, to set up "his Spanish friend" for the winner! I will watch and wait all this week like all other Evertonians to see who comes in and who leaves before Thursday's Transfer Deadline. Watch this space. COYB.

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