Everton Banter Archive August 05 2016

 

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05 Aug 2016 18:17:21
I'm glad this week is over, its been nuts with all the transfers. roll on next week :)

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05 Aug 2016 17:47:40
Besic out for 6 months. Big shame, hoped he could step up this year.

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05 Aug 2016 16:24:39
Afternoon all, any Ed's give an update on Koulibaly in or Lukaku out?

Ta in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

05 Aug 2016 16:09:31
Hi Ed with Bony hanging round do you think we might do a deal with city and Chelsea

45m + Bony for stones
70m + Remy for lukaku

Good business?

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{Ed002's Note - Can you look outside and tell me what colour the sky is?}

05 Aug 2016 15:58:06
Wilfred Bony driving around Liverpool is he looking for Finch farm or on a shopping trip?

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05 Aug 2016 17:45:50
With a name like bony, proberly a cemetery,!

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05 Aug 2016 15:40:56
I getting txts from mates saying bony is in liverpool iv told them he is probably shopping but just on the off chance you heard anything ed.

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{Ed002's Note - All over Twitter people keep saying - the Everton fans are obsesed with Twitter but please don't bring it here and ask me about it.}

05 Aug 2016 15:46:52
Am not on twitter or facebook i have better things to do i did say thet the info had come from txts ed but thanks anyway.

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05 Aug 2016 15:50:08
Anything on coric then sky say we and spurs are interested.

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{Ed002's Note - Ante Coric of Dinamo Zagreb is destined for an excellent career if he doesn't move too early - but Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Spurs and Manchester City are very keen. His club are aware of this interest and the tentative interest of other sides, such as Liverpool and West Ham. I have no knowledge of any bid from Liverpool but it has been made clear that the player would not join other interested sides just yet as he knew he would not be getting game time - so perhaps a move to a club where he is guaranteed to play regularly is an option. Liverpool certainly have interest, as do West Ham, but were not one of the five clubs Zagreb had said they had spoken to. Manchester City has approached his agent again recently and a number of other sides have made general enquiries with his agent about availability, these include Udinese, Crystal Palace, Everton and Ajax.}

05 Aug 2016 15:53:56
There's photos of Bony's suv in Liverpool. It's in the Echo website.

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05 Aug 2016 23:23:35
I was in Liverpool earlier but unfortunately I forgot to take a selfie.

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05 Aug 2016 15:40:07
Slimani yes please better than lakaku why pay him 135 grand a week let chelsea pay him that kind of money he doesn't want to play for us let him go buy slimani and draxlar if that's how u spell it world class players and a holdin midfielder god wish peter reid was still in his prime wed be laughin in keoman an moshri we trust just a matter of time now coyb.

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05 Aug 2016 16:03:09
How about both? Fed up with people calling for Lukaku's head.

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05 Aug 2016 17:15:25
Well said J totally agree!

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05 Aug 2016 17:23:15
If lakaku wants to go j why try an pay 135k a week same for stones way he played against utd was poor like rom his dosnt want to be here there's better out there ie williams at swansea.

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05 Aug 2016 23:25:39
Tbone, thanks for your input but I would rather respect the input of those such as Koeman. If he has given the new Everton regime the heads up on Lukaku and his worth to him (Koeman) that is good enough for me.

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05 Aug 2016 14:42:53
Reminder that The Correct Score Competition starts this weekend predictions need to be in by midnight tonight.

Cheers and good luck

Ed 003.

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05 Aug 2016 14:30:57
I have to say I'm very relaxed about our transfer activity I'm glad we are not running around making stupid bids left right and centre for players. I believe Koeman will bring in the right players before the window shuts, we have a good squad there at the moment and I'm sure he has his plans ready for the new season yes we could do with a couple more signings but there is no mad rush either way I think we will be fine he can't change the whole squad in one window it will take time and I feel we are going to have a good season this year under him. Morishi priority I feel is the new stadium at the moment and I have to agree that must come first that will be our gateway to bigger and better things in the future I really believe our club is in goods hands now we have a plan and a man that will deliver it. Good time to be a blue COYB.

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05 Aug 2016 14:07:40
Hi eds
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{Ed002's Note - Stop asking the same thing over and over and read the posts.}

05 Aug 2016 13:30:09
Apparently Everton have offered Lukaku £135,000 pw to stay. I hope he accepts as he would struggle to get this elsewhere I think.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure over-paying a player who wants to leave is a great plan.}

05 Aug 2016 14:10:39
I agree Ed.

We need players who want to be at the club. How would you perform at a place of work you didn't want to be at. It's no different as a footballer even if you do get more money.

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05 Aug 2016 14:18:36
I say sell him to Chelsea if they really offered 65 million he does not want to be here and surely we could get someone decent for that money to replace him.

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05 Aug 2016 14:32:11
If my boss doubled my wage id be much happier :)

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05 Aug 2016 14:33:21
All this talk of selling him followed with 'surely we could get someone decent for that money' never quite makes it to a name does it. People need to examine the Lukaku facts closely. We haven't had a goalscorer like him in years, Lineker is the last who could score that many. Lukaku cost us £28m and we are talking £75m to anyone who wants him. That's the sort of price range that top goalscorers come in, and he is, for all his many faults, a top goalscorer that is fact. So, given that the top scorers are going for that sort of money, and all seem to have Champions League football as a pre-requisite of any move, and given that we can't even offer Europa League, just who is this goal scoring machine that we can replace him with because try as I might I can't think of anyone in that class who would come to us right now. Just something to think on folks.

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05 Aug 2016 15:24:17
Agreed with these comments. Yes, basically a 50 million profit is great in any walk of life, but who would we get to score 20 plus for us a season at the moment. I, unfortunately, think we need him more at the moment than we need us. I say unfortunately, not because I don't rate or like him, but no player should be more important than the club.

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05 Aug 2016 15:55:09
Cadet we didn't win anything with Linekar. When we sold him we won the league!

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05 Aug 2016 16:17:19
Cadet there is no point having a player who's heart is elsewhere he won't turn up this season if we keep him look at Stones last year his head was all over the place. If Chelsea did make that huge offer we must accept it and move on otherwise we will be left with a player who just won't be arsed this season, contracts mean nothing nowadays the player holds the key.

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06 Aug 2016 11:15:13
BlueJohnUns my post wasn't about what we did or didn't win with Lineker it was about us having a 20+ goals a season striker and people wanting to sell him without offering a viable alternative. Have you got one? Lineker left a winning team who finished 2nd in the League and Cup runners up. It was easy to attract players to that team. This team have finished 11th for the past 2 seasons and he has still scored 20+ goals in each. And still I wait for someone to name who they would replace him with. Same goes to Stef the blue. All this move him on talk bewilders me. Face facts lads, without his goals last season we would be starting our season today. in the Championship. That's the hard truth that some people can't see past when they start moaning about Lukaku.

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05 Aug 2016 12:32:14
Should players have some of their wages docked for poor performances?

In this age of pathetically high wage demands from players would it be right for clubs to dock a percentage and give it back to those fans who attended the match by way of reduced price in tickets?

Every job I have had before I retired the better you were at that job the more you got paid, it was called promotion. Once you hit a stage where you were no longer a productive member of the team at that level you were demoted. That is life, the better we do the better we are rewarded.

Now I am going to use Niasse as an example, for no other reason than to stop insinuations I am not supporting our team.

Niasse is on a reported £4 million per year yet he plays like a donkey when on the pitch playing for us. He has no motivation to play any better and seems quite content just to draw a wage. Now if he knew that everytime he played badly he would be docked a sizable chunk of that I am sure we would see an improved player.

Now I understand we can all have an off day in life and if the poor performance is out of the blue so to speak and uncharacteristic then maybe not deduct the wages as much. But if someone playing for any team, earning more in a week than most of the fans earn in a year, plays like someone out of the conference then let them be paid conference wages.

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05 Aug 2016 14:07:34
Grumpy you may be but I happen to agree, footballers don't live in the real world, they live in this fantasy world where you're all wrapped up in cotton wool and regardless of performance pick up a wage in a week that would take a normal man a 2-10 years to earn. In the real world if you're crap at your job you get fired. Not in football, and don't get me started on the agents.

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05 Aug 2016 14:20:36
No player in the world would agree to come to us!

The fact is how do you judge a players performance? If you asked 10 people on here to give a summary of a player in any game you would get a number of different views.

Contracts that are negotiated are for positives not negatives. Things like goals, appearances, etc. I don't think anyone would start a contract negotiation in hoping a player will sign for them with "if you don't do this i'm taking money out of your wages".

West Ham say "I'll pay you for doing this"

Everton say "I won't pay you for doing this"

Who would you sign for?

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05 Aug 2016 16:28:57
BJU I was not saying just let Everton do it, it was meant for players across all the leagues throughout the world. There are official players rating at the end of every game why could those ratings not be used. I used Niasse who happens to be an Everton player as an example it was not meant to indicate it was to be an Everton only thing.

When I pay to watch a game I want to watch 11 players giving it 100% not 11 so called superstars ( Man utd, Chelsea, City, Juve etc etc ) where half the team don't give it their all.

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05 Aug 2016 16:56:00
Fair enough Grumpy. It sounds like a good idea as a tongue in cheek suggestion but in reality it could never work.

If I was a lawyer I would question the adjudicators and their finding of their results. Bring in to question their football club loyalty and their character, who put them in that position, question the managers tactics, expectations of the club, fan pressure, my role in the side, being rotated and a shed load of other things. At a tribunal I would be paid millions and win the case hands down.

You would also need to prove that the player is solely responsible for losing your business money. Again as a lawyer/ agent I would be pointing out every other players performance. If the person is solely responsible for results then it much easier to do but part of a team with equal expectancy it is mission impossible.

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05 Aug 2016 11:20:58
I hear we're the 'English club' who has bid £16.75m for Slimani. If its true that he's handed in a transfer request to Sporting then it could finally be happening. Southampton also linked but probably a result of previous interest from Koeman? Regardless we should be able to outbid them anyway (god it sounds good to say that! )

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05 Aug 2016 14:00:10
Get him! He would be a great asset, class forward.

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05 Aug 2016 09:23:01
The greatest statement of intent the club may well make in this transfer window is who we keep as to who we buy!
Rom is rumoured to be offered a new bumper contract by the club, Chelsea and man city at this point will not pay the asking fees so it is a case of PUT UP or SHUT UP! we are no longer being bullied into selling our prize assets on the cheap ie Rooney.
I will be happy with some new quality signings but will be happier if they are in addition to keeping our best.
I believe RK has all the ability to make a significant improvement to this great club!

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05 Aug 2016 09:13:42
Just heard the bad news on besic, he, s out for 6 months, was really hoping he would be a big part of our team this season. well all the best mate and hope to see you back soon. I hope Koeman will now bring another cm, in to replace him.

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05 Aug 2016 11:46:11
It's time to move him on - he's the new Norman Whiteside, injured all the time, not his fault I know and I feel sorry for the lad but we need squad players that are fit to play consistently.

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05 Aug 2016 11:56:30
Hope Mo doesn't read your post Soli. He's a young lad who seems to love the club. Needs a bit of support at the moment.

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05 Aug 2016 13:10:59
Agreed Tedster - he does need our support and shows a lot of passion towards efc. but ask yourself the question - what has he offered the club in the 2 seasons he's been here, how many dominant man of the match awards has he accrued? How many goals has he scored? . don't get me wrong, I like the lad but the likes of him and Gibson constantly injured are not offering much to our team. I see some people on here saying he's the next Tim Cahill - I think that's very disrespectful to Tim Cahill a true club legend for the right reasons.

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05 Aug 2016 13:36:08
Hear what you say Soli. Think at his age it's too early to look at moving him on though.
I'm sure Koeman has quickly seen those at club who need to be shipped out and will be ruthless enough to make decisions in the club's best interests.

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05 Aug 2016 08:59:35
besic out for 6 months gutted for him.

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05 Aug 2016 01:24:10
Just trying to put a transfer scenario into simplistic terms, so any Ed input would be great. Again the figures are illustrative only.

1. Everton buys Rom for 28M
2. Everton sells Rom for 68M
3. Everton paid Rom 40K/ wk, and 2M/ year
4. Everton buys Benteke for 30M
5. Everton spent 28 + 4 + 30 for 62M
6. Everton received 68M
7. Rom played 2 years for free
8. Benteke is free paid for by profit
9. Benteke has pay for 2-3 years left over

(Benteke just an example of recent rumors and innuendos, although I saw the game 3 years ago (on television) when he played for Belgium. He ran over the USA defenders like Godzilla over Tokyo) .

Is my simplified math right? Where does the agent or taxman's cut come in?

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know if this note I've got from Ed002 clears up what you want to know but here goes:

What is paid by the buying club would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
(n) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}

With outgoing transfers what is paid by the selling club would typically include:

(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding wages and bonuses).

05 Aug 2016 08:33:14
For at least the peceding 15 years before Roberto Martinez, this is exactly how Everton FC functioned as a business. Our net spend over the 11 years of David Moyes period (on players fees) was just over 1 million pounds. Likewise, the 5 years of Walter Smith's reighn cost us again around 1 million pounds on plaayers fees. That is to say the 15 years of previous management cost Everton FC 2 million on players. A remarkable figure when you think and compare with clubs like Newcastle United and Aston Villa. I cannot remember exactly what the figures were under Martinez, but I "think" his net spend was around 50 million. Make of this info whatever you want. It is not aimed at a dig at Martinez nor to build up previous managers. It is just information that staggered me as an Evertonian.

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05 Aug 2016 08:53:30
So if you look at what we have to pay as the selling club this is probably the reason why we are demanding £75m for Lukaku, as we would have to pay 5% to both Chelsea and Anderlecht, plus 5% to Lukaku himself which would take the amount we receive down to £63.75m. I now see why we are refusing £60m bids and also why Lukaku is using his dad and agent to make noises about leaving as if he requests a transfer he will lose £3.75m. See this one dragging on.

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05 Aug 2016 09:09:42
2 good posts above. Fair and honest facts.

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05 Aug 2016 09:19:24
He didn't include bus fares!

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05 Aug 2016 09:42:02
You don't know the half of it when it comes to the finances of running a club. I saw a Sheffield clubs full accounts sent to shareholders two years after they were relegated and it was horrendous.

I've also seen a couple of wage slips for players and again the things that are put into contracts are just comical. Extra pay for attending training, more for the team being in the CL and then a top up on that if he PLAYS! Attending functions, giving interviews, MOM, personal visits, training sessions with the younger players and much more than we will ever find out about.

I'm amazed they make any money at all!

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05 Aug 2016 02:18:15
It appears that the unemployment rate around the world for accountants will perpetually be quite low.

Thanks, Ed.

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{Ed007's Note - It's a complicated business mate and when you see transfer fees being used to grab headlines or posters arguing about costs etc most people don't realise the other costs involved.}

 
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