Everton Banter Archive November 04 2017

04 Nov 2017 23:03:36
Whomever is appointed manager (be it interim or long term) needs to give the players confidence but also needs to instill some discipline. Shrek needs to understand his role and stick to it and also understand he may not be first choice every game. Snidey looks ill and unfit and should be dropped for a few weeks. Bainesy needs to look forward more instead of going sideways and backwards all the time. And Ash needs to get back to basics. None of the lads are suddenly bad players but we can't afford any more mistakes. It's time for them all to stand up and show some balls and some pride COYB NSNO.

05 Nov 2017 15:31:27
Already said that BigH. Rooney does not have the legs anymore so either has to hold the ball up or be up on the defenders shoulder all the time. Koeman and now Unsy see him as a striker but because of above, he tracks back and if he gets the ball there is nobody to give it to except himself. Hope that makes sense.

04 Nov 2017 20:39:13
Winston Wolf solves problems and has a proven track record of doing so, get him in quick!
Okay I know that sounds ridiculous but Sam Allerdyce? Really?

Ps Winston Wolf's probably less corrupt as well.

05 Nov 2017 14:19:41
Sheep in wolf's clothing :-)

04 Nov 2017 17:56:36
If it was a choice between Allardyce or Moyes what would everyone’s choice be?
I would have Moyes over fathead. Having Allardyce with no target man would be a disaster.

{Ed025's Note - i would baulk at any of those two robbie, but if i had to choose one of them snakes i would take fat head every time, give me a thief over a traitor any day mate..

04 Nov 2017 18:11:15
100%, last choice Moyes, 2nd to last choice Sam, 3rd to last Choice Idi amin/ Hitler/ Trump.

{Ed025's Note - 4 of them are the scum of the earth...i dont know much about trump oll..

04 Nov 2017 18:16:26
Option c or 3.

04 Nov 2017 19:48:56
(thief over a traitor) love it Ed, lol,

04 Nov 2017 19:53:27
I was all for big Sam last week but ed 025 has turned me off that idea now.

{Ed025's Note - dont let me put you off irish, its just one mans opinion mate and they are not likely to consult me anyway..

04 Nov 2017 20:19:07
Bring back Moyes. Unpopular I know. Would he save us yes. I would rather have him over most mentioned. Dyche seems to have distanced himself. Benitez and Ancelotti seem to be out of reach for us.
Yes he left us for United but so did Wayne and he’s been accepted back.
Yes he acted a idiot when trying to get Baines and Fellaini but he was trying to get players in for United who he was working for. If Koeman tried to get VVD we would st have complained. Very few in the game now are loyal unfortunately.
At least he has come out and said yes he would love the job he did have the club in a good place when he left and didn’t have the finances. Maybe with Moshiri money he could take us higher.
I know he is not perfect and his record against the bigger clubs is not great but that’s when the finances come in. Buy the higher calibre players and we can compete with the big boys. At the moment I can’t see better options.
I will probably get slated but it’s my opinion.

04 Nov 2017 20:31:52
Please can we look higher than Moyes and Allardyce. A few wins and we are away from the bottom and looking at mid table. let's set our sights and standards higher. Moyes will come in and tell everyone they are crap, that we are in a relegation battle, ruin confidence, and get rid of the big players as he cannot manage big egos. Allardyce will come in and buy donkeys in January.

{Ed025's Note - im with you nick..

04 Nov 2017 20:38:44
He's failed miserably in his last 3 jobs mate so that in itself is enough of reason not to have him back.

{Ed025's Note - amen to that oll

04 Nov 2017 21:53:58
Moyes might not even want the job. Talk of West Ham wanting him. You hear anything about that Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - yes NBTB apparently he is nailed on for the west ham job, i believe he is as short as 1/2 with some bookies mate..

05 Nov 2017 08:22:16
Fingers crossed West ham sack Bilic today!

04 Nov 2017 16:59:03
I might be one of few, but I hope we get Big Sam. Ok he done wrong, Alex fergerson had his fingers in everything, but no went after him, successful manager and knighted who would dare. People do wrong it happens, personally I couldn’t give a s! *t. Everyone’s got a background, no ones an angel.
Look at his background in management, Bolton would love a Big Sam now days. Boring football? Long ball football? Mourinho critised his style, just after he was defeated by him, sour grapes? Yet Mourinho parks the bus, plays boring football and throws on everyone over 6ft for long ball tactics when losing and he’s a football genius!?
SA managerial career is a very good one, Bolton, West Ham, both from championship to stable prem sides, never backed enough to show true potential. Newcastle as Ashley took over, that was never going to work out, shows cause now there back in the prem back up for sale. Sunderland and palace prob feel the same as Bolton.
Big Sam don’t turn up as ed says, with a knife for a gun fight, he has a solid defences and wants to win. As someone commented on here, if he was Senor Samuel Alladycies with that managerial record he would be held in the same way as some of these more desirable managers.
I personally would like Big Sam, he’s solid, proven, hungry for a good team and I would like to see what he can do with financial backing.
Read his Wikipedia and full understand how good a manager he really is, we are what we are and right now Big Sam for me is the perfect fit, 18 - 30 month contract to start and go from there, if he builds the team up and we stagnate then like chity we upgrade manager to suit the team, maybe we don’t need to and he becomes a ledgend, picture holding a cup right next to Our very own Howard Kendall.

{Ed025's Note - right thats me sold mate....NOT!!!!

04 Nov 2017 17:23:13
He's a crook and plays boring football. Not exactly the best CV in the world.

04 Nov 2017 17:32:54
Burnley are joint 4th. Get Dyche Now!

04 Nov 2017 17:36:38
Are you his PR manager mate? Bet you were the one who got Trump into power haha.

04 Nov 2017 17:40:11
Cp 9w 13l 24games, sun 9w 13l 31games, WH 68w 67l 181games, BR 32w 34l 90 games, NU 8w 10l 24 games.

Bolton, preston and Notts county where a lot of games in the lower league's.

Aside from West ham the rest he lost more than he won. And West ham were you could say they gave time to develop a team he managed one more win than a loss.

I don't want a short term solution to this mess and not a corrupt one either.

{Ed025's Note - you cant really say hes corrupt john...oh yeah you can because he is mate..

04 Nov 2017 17:48:31
Haha. Love it Ed.

04 Nov 2017 17:56:05
Not trying to sell him too you ed 😜 haha, were bottom part of the league, team in dire place and SD not got a quarter of the experience SA has.

Smit as I said sir Alex fergerson had his fingers in many pies just wasn’t caught with his pants down, probably more managers we don’t know about. His boring football comes from West Ham, when he changed personnel and style they stopped moaning but it stuck with him. At palace and Sunderland he did what he had to do with what he had to work with. At Bolton he played some good football and built a good team on a small budget, all forgot about that cause of what happened afterwards and at other teams.

We are in a mess and that calls for people with proven track records of dealing with messes, if he came and won a cup next year we would all sing a different tune, look at how many times people turn on this forum alone.

Il stand by my words and if it does happen and he managers us well and wins something I can not wait for the praise for him on here, if not il hide from the stick il get hahaha.

{Ed025's Note - im not saying he cant do a job BS, its just that i cant stand the guy mate..

04 Nov 2017 17:59:16
But John short term would be best

What if we pick a nice named manager and it goes wrong mate, I don’t fancy us getting out the championship anytime soon.

04 Nov 2017 18:15:10
I don't care about a name but I do care that they have a winning mentality and have built a team that brings success. Sam has never, ever, ever done that. Ever.

For anyone on here that thinks short term is what we need take a long hard look at Sunderland and Aston Villa. That is what we are going to be if we go short term. It doesn't work at all.

04 Nov 2017 18:26:51
He’s never had a winning mentality haha come on! He’s never built the team you talk of due to financial restraints at clubs, and the win record shown above was with mediocre teams on low budgets and teams that needed saving from relegation and win record was even worse before he took over.

So your happy to have a so called winning mentality even if it means we go down then? Over short term solution that keeps us safe in the prem and then re-evaluate everything as and when.

I know what I would prefer.

04 Nov 2017 22:41:57
I wonder how reavaluating helped Sunderland and Aston Villa? Where about are they in the CHAMPIONSHIP?

And your idea of winning mentality differs from mine. Yours seems to be very similar to Sam and Moyes. How many trophies have they won in over 40 years of management? Sorry yes Sam has never got a job at a top club. Probably something to do with winning games.

Just because he scrapes by every season doesn't mean he's the messiah. If he was any good he'd have lasted more half a season and put that winning mentality to some use for a change.

05 Nov 2017 02:28:37
Sunderland and villa spent too much compared to there income, totally different circumstances.

And what’s with the CAPITALS?

Maybe he just didn’t fancy relegation battles year on year with teams I’ll equiped to compete, and were does the messiah come into it? Who exactly do you think Everton are at the moment? We are a mid table team that occasionally gets in the mid top half, Dyces Burnley is doing and looking better than us, Tuchel is rumoured to be the next Bayern manager, what makes us more attractive to these managers?

Wake up. Or should I write, WAKE UP! Haha.

05 Nov 2017 08:31:53
Their expenditure was nothing to do with it. The problem was they went for short term fixes. Bringing a manager in to get to the end of the season and hopefully stay up. They had no long term plan for the team or the manager. Additionally they went for managers like Sam.

The capitals were to spell out clearly where they are now.

And your point about Sam not wanting to stay at a club because he doesn't a relegation fight year on year is a statement about him not being able to improve the fortunes of the team and I agree with you. He doesn't improve teams and the mess is left behind when he goes.

04 Nov 2017 15:37:44
This panorama investigation sounds ominous but as i#m sure has already been stated the powers that be at EPL and EFC both investigated FM and gave him the all clear. I can't help feeling its being done now deliberately out of spite. Kick a dog when its down and all that. Here's hoping it's just smoke without any fire. As for the football, the main ingredient missing is confidence. In themselves, and their teammates. Just one spark from someone somewhere or that little bit of luck going our way and I'm certain we can get out of this rut.

04 Nov 2017
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, Ken and Co. must go

04 Nov 2017 13:47:34
just been watching Sky Sports and the whole panel reckon Rhino was right to use or was told to use a skeleton squad against Lyon in the week in the Europa League, and not using any of the senior players preferring to keep them for the must win game against Watford tomorrow, all saying the Premier comes first, just saying this because of all the arguments on here about who he should play and who should not, on a brighter note they all reckon we will climb the table and be ok, hope they are right.

04 Nov 2017 14:50:28
Yes but of those senior players left behind. Bainsie has lost his legs, Rooney just will not do as he is told and because of his lack of pace keeps dropping deeper and deeper. I tell you he will play Rooney as No: 10 and the guy who cost 45 mill and is a No: 10 on the left wing. I know he wants the senior players to man-up, but they are woefully out of form and that is affecting the previously good young uns Davis et al!

04 Nov 2017 10:10:01
I, ve been going since 1957 seen them in a similar situation after a 6-1 battering by Arsenal at Goodison shortly after signed Bobby Collins from Celtic, who do we get to pull us out of it this time, we've been fortunate most seasons that the promoted sides have been garbage but this time it look really bad, no goals, the kids are not ready, and for too long we, ve been a rest home for Man U cast offs, basically what can we offer a new manager except a pay off after a couple of seasons when they fail too, as Ed25 said total net spend after incomings Not Much, start smelling the coffee we are being conned.

04 Nov 2017 14:49:59
That’s right, look on the bright side! We may as well give up now if that the view! Great supporter you!

04 Nov 2017 09:19:23
Usmanov nex? It just can't get any worse! What's happened to our club is this really happening we sound like Newcastle.

04 Nov 2017 07:14:25
So according to the press Unsworth has said Sandro has struggled to adapt to Premiership football. So either he's missing home or literally he can't adapt to Premiership football. Well if it's the later one. Of course he's struggling. Everton are rubbish right now. How can any adapt playing for a team that's playing shit. Rumour says he could leave in January. I hope not and once this debacle for a season has stopped then hopefully he can find form. This better not be a Niasse situation all over again. I hate being an Everton fan right now its a complete mess. i'm ashamed to call myself a Blue.

04 Nov 2017 07:58:06
I totally agree Mowfee82
I been going since 59 I think and this is the worst by far
I have just read that BBC Panorama are doing a two part documentary on Moshiri and Usmanov on Mon!
I can think of no other club who for first time in decades had some money and got into this mess.
Supporters from all clubs moan but there is something deep seated wrong at Everton.
Everyone has blamed the players but the whole board are to blame for many disgraceful decisions culiminating in the Lukaku debacle .
In July 2017 my aim was top 4 my dream win the league
In Nov 2017 my aim Finnish 4 th bottom
My nightmare we are relegated.
WHAT OH WHAT HAS GONE ON AT GOODISON
A clean sweep is needed
The whole board are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves.
How many sets of fans would be as tolerant as we are being
What is the answer?

04 Nov 2017 07:49:13
Then go support someone else. Sorry to be so harsh but that is a ridiculous statement. How can you be ashamed to be an Everton fan.

04 Nov 2017 08:25:49
We are BIGDUNCSMUM the laughing stock of the league . I am visiting down south at mo and the only talk is of us blues and that we are a disgrace .
They can’t understand why we putting up with it .
Anyway I have sympathy for Moyfee remark and remember we are all frustrated and angry at the moment and to be fair to him the board have acted totally incompetently over many years.

04 Nov 2017 09:39:35
Trebor, you "can think of no other club who for first time in decades had some money and got into this mess. " QPR, Leeds, Blackburn, Villa, Sunderland?
And I'm sorry, but if your aim was top 4, it was unrealistic. We all dream of winning the league, but we have to have rational targets as well as aspirational ones. If we set these ridiculous bars for "success" then everything feels like failure.
Too many comments on here about how this is the worst it's every been. Absolute rubbish. Do you not remember the very real expectation of relegation on the final day of the season? How was that season not worse than this? We have had far worse squads than this. I would go further - most of our squads over the last 25 years have been worse than this. If you've been going since 1959, then you must remember the days of Ablett, Samways, et al? Or when our star signing was Andy van der Meyde? The decade when we had ONE top half finish and escaped relegation twice by one place? With no real hope of proper investment or improvement? Jesus, blues, stop wallowing and get your heads up! Times are bad but we've been through worse and there is hope and scope for improvement.

04 Nov 2017 10:16:58
I accept all that COYB I think what I was trying to say was my aim and definitely my dream were just that aims which we should all aspire to and dreams because without them why bother BUT I DID COME ON HERE AND SAY WE MUST BE REALISTIC as others were talking of top 4
By worst team ( you are correct I have known far worse teams talent wise and I was at Wimbledon game ) I mean the whole club as a team and also given we had a huge amount of money to spend .
The management made many mistakes the biggest as we all know being Lukaku sale but the players possibly through little fault of their own are not performing given their obvious talent .
What Steve Walsh does is anyone’s guess and it’s the whole package of little said about the ground issue
Form of players and tactics being used .
We do have a very talented squad COYB compared to many previous squads but they not performing . As Kevin Radcliffe said yesterday he cannot think of a worse team performing in the whole Prem!
I think this is what I was trying to say
Yes we got far better players now but they not playing for the Blue shirt .

04 Nov 2017 12:59:18
That is the big issue guys. Everyone goes on about no number 9s but we've got 4. Niasse, Rooney, DCL and Sandro. They say we have no pace but we've got Sandro, Vlasic, mirallas, Lennon and lookman and to some extent Niasse. We have some of the best midfielders in the league apart from the top 5/ 6. What we need is a manager and team that can come in with a plan, stick to it and we will fly up the league. The Xmas period will be key due to the number of games played in such a short time. This is where teams gain or lose massively so as long as we're sorted managerially by then we will be fine.