Everton Banter Archive July 04 2018

 

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04 Jul 2018 23:53:11
Question to the eds. Why is Klassen always getting rumoured away. That's potentially 3 managers now. The fans seem to like him and his attitude seems on par with Niasse. He was captain of Ajax, so he surely can't be that bad. Personally I don't think he's had a fair crack of the whip. Same with Sandro, and don't get me started talking about Lookman. That's another wtf. They all seem keen to want to play and succeed, and all we seem to do is try break their moral by loaning them away or just not playing them. So my question again. what's up with Klassen?

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{Ed002's Note - He has not had any opportunities at Everton and will want to get his career back on track.}

05 Jul 2018 00:02:32
So seen you saying Klassen himself wants away. If that's the case I'm a little gutted.

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{Ed002's Note - He either wants to be playing or wants to go - he is a good player that Everton have completely wasted.}

05 Jul 2018 00:13:34
Totally agree Ed. You can't be any more closer to the truth.

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05 Jul 2018 01:33:33
Good player, but just not suited to the prem, pace and intencity, not his strong points, crative player when givern time and space, the two things you never get in our top flight.

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05 Jul 2018 19:59:15
Our new DoF has said himself that there are going to be some uncomfortable conversations with some players. Wouldn't it be wise to allow those conversations to happen before posting speculation. I have no idea what happens behind closed doors and readily admit that Ed002 does seem to have a finger on the pulse but surely even Ed002 does not know the full SP (with respect Ed002) . Perhaps Lookman, Klaasen and some others speculated to be off will be given the chance under the new playing side Team to show what they can do in pre-season. There I go speculating.

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{Ed002's Note - I actually have my finger elsewhere. I would like to tell you but a modicum of impropriety stops me telling you. If you would rather I did not share what I understand to be correct, I have no problems at all by stepping back for the rest of the summer and leaving it to IronMike from the West Ham page to share with you the multiple day-by-day "bid gone in news". It seems now to be the best way forward for me as regards Everton. Good luck going forward and I will perhaps see how things are going in January.}

05 Jul 2018 23:22:21
I speculate your a tool. If you don't like what the eds have to say, why be on their site. They give us good knowledge on what they think is going to happen. And often it's true. Yes a lot is speculation, but they know a damb site more about the transfers than you or I, or why would you be in this site looking for an insite. Grow up. Eds you do a great job. Don't let a wannabe deflate your great work!

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{Ed033's Note - There's a damn sight of insight in your post :).

06 Jul 2018 01:47:12
Your bang on there -EFC-. ed002 gets a lot of hammer when he is most knowledgeable, (No disrespect to other eds) , just seems posters try to push his buttons for some reason. End of day the eds are trying to help so stop the agro to them.

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05 Jul 2018 22:33:35
I think I would prefer to keep your insights coming in Ed and appreciate your time commenting even when I don’t agree it’s good to get a different view think they call it banter. maybe we should have a page called Everton Banter? 🤔
Anyway don’t go keep giving us the insight.

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06 Jul 2018 09:45:32
Love the Iron Mike reference. About as accurate as mystic. meg.

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06 Jul 2018 19:09:31
“I have no problems at all by stepping back for the rest of the summer and leaving it to IronMike from the West Ham page to share with you the multiple day-by-day "bid gone in news. ”
Ed002 this comment wins the internet for today.

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04 Jul 2018 20:55:34
Just like to point out a toffee saved a red from getting 4 years abuse from the nation.

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05 Jul 2018 00:11:20
And now he says he's forever in Pickford's debt. You know it Henderson. I was gutted for him though because I thought he played well.
Where's everyone's attitude with England getting to the final. Talking to people I find a lot don't think we can and too many people saying they just don't care. It's good to see us actually trying.

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05 Jul 2018 08:16:18
For years we played with traditional old English defenders who were not comfortable on the ball. To be fair, that was all we had after years of defenders being brought through youth systems that taught them that the way to defend was to do it carefully and if under pressure clear the ball. We had Lampard and Gerrard in midfield who worked their socks off coming back to help out. Consquently, in most games against decent opposition, we would defend and defend deeper and deeper and when we eventually won possesion of the ball would clear it to the half way line whereby the ball was given back to the opposition and the cycle of defending began again. Todays coaches are teaching the new generation of defenders how to play football in defence. Players like John Stones and Harry Maguire and Trippier and Walker are all very good footballers and very comfortable on the ball. If you watch how we are happy to pass the ball across the back 4/ 5 and even include the keeper, until we draw the opposition out of position, it is clearly a big change from the old style of Phil Jones type muscular defenders who are not so happy on the ball. It comes from the coach having the balls to change things and John Stones is central to this. I love it and want it at Everton. We will see what develops this season.

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05 Jul 2018 11:50:04
Eh?! Have you hijacked this post to repost what you put in a below post?

This might be the craziest one you've ever done!

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04 Jul 2018 16:55:03
Don't know if it has been mentioned but the cheek of that two faced Gary neville he slaughtered pickford after the Belgium game. Time he got some stick.

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04 Jul 2018 16:02:53
So now we are at last stages of World Cup I'm expecting some movement after this week apart from remaining countries what worries me is we won't be able to shift the dead wood cause of wages ie Mirralas, Williams,

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04 Jul 2018 20:22:31
That's very sweet but I don't think you need to lose any sleep about it.
We've got some professionals who I'm sure appreciate your concerns but, have it in hand.

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04 Jul 2018 14:36:24
No football on tonight, what am I going to do? There is a limit to the number of times that I can rewatch Pickford saving that penalty. Actually, forget that, there isn't.

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04 Jul 2018 19:45:54
Wimbledon!

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04 Jul 2018 21:05:28
Wimbledon aren't playing tonight pal.

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04 Jul 2018 23:07:50
Love that, Smit.

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04 Jul 2018 14:13:21
Quick question for Ed's. Is Onyekuru allowed to train with us despite no work permit? I can't see why not providing he has a visit visa which shouldn't be a bother. If so - is he there now? Just out of interest. Seems crazy we were crying out for width and pace last year and Onyekuru and Lookman scoring goals elsewhere. I have doubts whether Onyekuru will ever play for us.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes. But I have no idea where he is right now.}

04 Jul 2018 15:00:03
Cheers Ed.

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04 Jul 2018 16:00:02
Interesting one with this player, I know we were hoping he would earn a World Cup place to get the required games I think we need to loan him again for a season.

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05 Jul 2018 01:40:12
Perhaps PSV might take him on a years loan if they sell us the boy from Mexico?

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05 Jul 2018 02:43:09
Can one of the Eds explain what leagues Onyekuru can currently play in and what ones he can't. Why are our work permit regulations tighter than Belgium who are also part of the EU (at least we are for now) or is it also a residency issue?

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{Ed001's Note - every country has different work permit regulations, I really couldn't write a list of which he can and which he can't play in. Every country has their own laws, regardless of the EU, and they have close ties with different countries from each other. For instance, it is easier in the UK to get work permits and visas for a Commonwealth country than one outside of the Commonwealth. However in Belgium, for instance, they have a similar network of countries they once colonised, as do Spain and Germany etc that will find it far easier to get permits and visas, but they will not be so closely tied with countries from the Commonwealth. That is the usual reason for players being able to play in one country rather than another. However, to write a list of it would take up days of work just to put together.}

05 Jul 2018 10:30:24
Thanks Ed. I hope someone at Everton is working on it as, after Anderlecht, there are only a few good sides in Belgium and it looks like we need to find another loan club for him.

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04 Jul 2018 10:49:19
Jordan Pickford is rightly praised for his saves against Colombia - and, like every other goalkeeper, there are times when he will make an error and that deserves to be commented on.
No goalkeeper is infallible - although Burnley's Nick Pope might be thought so given his name ;-)

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04 Jul 2018 12:47:27
His shot stopping has never been in question. His choice of when to come off his line to claim the ball was his weakness but I am pleased to say he seems to be making progress and certainly looks the real deal at present.

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04 Jul 2018 20:32:00
Agree with that degsyp. I’d add that his distribution with his feet has also always been a quality while his occasional knocking the ball back in the danger zone rather than away has always been a concern. Ultimately he’s got the two things that are hard to teach seemingly naturally while the two concerns can be practiced and developed. Still think he was our best signing in that mad summer.

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05 Jul 2018 08:20:29
Windsor, the knocking the ball back in the danger zone is deliberate and uncomfortable at times, but its how the new England team is being coached and see my other posts about it. It is the way forward. Look how different England look now. Even if we give the ball away and get knocked out because of a mistake, we have already improved no end on previous World Cup attempts. Defenders should defend. but they should also play football that creates chances by drawing the opposition out of position.

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04 Jul 2018 09:40:19
I couldn't resist rattling a few cages with another one. Those who might remember I was involved in coaching kids and my passion that John Stones was a breed of new center halves that were learning to play out from the back. Yet many Blues supporters could not see this and were constantly on his back when he made a mistake. I had pointed out that he was still very young and Brazil, Spain, France etc all had center halves/ defenders who were comfortable on the ball. I think Englands progress and the way we retain the ball and play out from the back (including Pickford) is totally different than the "get rid" brigade who want the ball hoofed up into the stands as soon as some pressure is placed on the defender. totally wrong in my view. the old saying that there is a time and place to play football is wrong these days. because the time and place is anywhere on the football field. Man City have shown this too this last season and England are at last developing center halves who are comfortable on the ball.

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04 Jul 2018 10:07:00
1st time I've agreed with you Degsy. Keep up the good form.

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04 Jul 2018 10:45:13
Totally agree with you Degsy. Also a perfect example why Fat Sam had to go.

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04 Jul 2018 11:43:51
Degsyp Evertonions everywhere knew John stones was an exceptional defender and by moving to city with the way they play and by how good they are he had gone onto another level but saying lots of blues fans jumped all over his back when he made a mistake is well a big fat lie every fan can accept him making a mistake it was the fact that he never learned from that mistake and kept making the same one something that with our team we couldn't accommodate just my take on it and I can't remember the last time I replied to one of your posts as you seem to get a lot of agro and again this post is one of those I told you so I know more than you it's pretty sad.

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04 Jul 2018 11:44:04
John stones played less than half PL games last season [18]. The least amount of their recognised centre half’s.

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04 Jul 2018 12:46:09
Some people like a fight.

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04 Jul 2018 12:45:08
BLUEY79 I did get loads of aggro on my defence of Stones at the time. Lots of posters were quite aggressive so yes it is a bit of a told you so point. and yes he did make mistakes Sobsnewcastle and also only featured in 18 games. partly because of mistakes and partly because of injury I suspect. But you cannot argue with my point that he and England played football from Pickford to Kane and "drew" out the Columbians with retention of the ball and I suspect also that Stones had more touches than any other player (not sure on that though) and I can guarantee to all that I was shouted down and ridiculed for suggesting that the future was for ball playing center halves rather than the English tradition of "playing safe" in defence. ie the other team can't score if the ball is in the stands. Man City proved it and England are currently proving it. along with Spain, Brazil, France and many other countries who teach their kids that ball retention is of paramount importance. unlike UK where loads of Dads standing on the sidelines shout things like get rid of the ball or clear it anywhere. The same sort of shouts I constantly hear at Goodison Park when supporters panic when a ball playing center half tries to do the unforgivable thing of playing football.

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04 Jul 2018 12:58:32
agree with bluey79 you will never change degsy grow up.

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04 Jul 2018 13:04:52
To play out from the back requires more than just a ball playing centre half I’m afraid. Without the quality in the team the mistakes are more often and more highlighted. Maybe Stones was a little early for us but Robles, Barry, jmac, jags for example don’t support this who were regulars in team at this time. Pickford has the most successful long passes in this World Cup and 3rd highest keeper to kick long ball. So we clearly are not doing this all the time.
Spain are out an were ineffective playing this way against Russiia. Swansea were relegated playing this way.
What I don’t get is why you take so much glee in your negative posts.
Recent post where you said you wouldn’t post again until 5 games in (which has not materialised) - just sounds like you are praying for Everton to lose all 5 so you have your “I told you so moment”.

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04 Jul 2018 13:06:16
I think the main reason the England back four moved the ball about so much, was because the midfield were incapable of providing them with someone to pass to.

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04 Jul 2018 14:19:21
Business as usual oh Degs.
I'm guilty of down thumbing on name alone but your 1st post made sense.
Seems a few have the same reaction to your name. I don't think many here even bothered to read your post. Anyway I'll leave you to the sharks.

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04 Jul 2018 15:03:28
if he's not getting more than enough gametime by January i'd pay that fifty mill to get him back again personally, weher he'd come back another story.

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04 Jul 2018 15:52:07
Whilst I understand that playing out from the back seems to be the new mould for defenders, I hate it with a passion! I much prefer to see a good old fashioned defender who just clears the danger and stops these ridiculous errors that are so common now, tippy tippy in the area to show opposition attacker up, oops he got the ball and scored. Imo just do whatever it takes to keep the ball out of the net.
Give me a Tony Adams, Steve Bruce, Martin Keown type defender and I feel much more confident that we will keep a clean sheet.

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04 Jul 2018 16:22:28
Defenders of that ilk more or less ensure that the ball comes straight back at you with a consequent increase in pressure and an increase in chances for the opposition.

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04 Jul 2018 17:18:23
Teams like City, juve, Barca, Real, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and most top teams play out from the back yet we still have people wanting a row Z type CB. There's a time and place for everything but not all of the time.

That CB booting the ball up field gives the ball back to the opposition and puts you straight back under pressure.

We're not that type of team yet and do not have that type of player at the back at the club but hopefully we become a bit more cultured and intelligent over the next few seasons that will enable us to develop into a top team.

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04 Jul 2018 19:44:33
Most defenders can boot the ball back up the field and clear danger, not so many can play out from the back well. All the ones who can play out from the back can also clear the ball up field if needed. For that reason alone a ball playing defender is the most logical option. The game is moving on, we need to move with it or get left behind.

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04 Jul 2018 20:37:41
There’s a big difference between a CB hammering the ball aimlessly up the pitch every time they get it and a CB putting it in the stands when’s they're under pressure with no options. Playing out from the back will always give you a platform to attack (providing you have options to pass forward to) but stepovers in your own box are ridiculous.

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05 Jul 2018 08:29:37
I am pleased that at least some of you actually agree with me on this. I really was slated for suggesting Stones was the way forward. I have to say this was not my original idea and I learned it from a West Brom coach of all people. I was sceptical at first and also very traditional with my defender views. But now I am totally subscribed to it and can see that unless our nation of footballers continue to be taught to play across and through our own back lines, we will never advance. Man City do it. So do all the top national teams. Someone pointed out that Spain had been knocked out when I gave them as an example. but hey Spain haved been one of the top national teams for some 10 years now winning just about every game. Watch England next time and see how they are happy for Pickford to hold onto the ball until a forward tries to close him down, then the ball goes to Stones, then Trippier, then Walker. and back across and into midfield etc. In the past it was lumped forwards or down the wing and so easy for the opposition to gain possesion. We may lose because of a mistake. I get that. But unless we try this football we will never advance to the levels of Spain, France, Brazil and many other countries who play like this and coach their players from a very young age that football is to be played all over the pitch and not just up front.

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06 Jul 2018 01:50:43
yeah but degs you are not the only one that's sees these things for some reason you think you have a far greater knowledge of the game than all the rest of us and constantly blab on about this and how you are the only one to pick up on this i really believe you would like everton to fail this season just so you could tell us all so.

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04 Jul 2018 08:35:24
Oh to be a fly on the wall with Bill Marco and Marcel discussing who our real targets in and out are this summer, instead of reading every man and his dog being linked with us, soon be the new season can't wait good times ahead.

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04 Jul 2018 08:57:08
GB, they may be trying to agree who leaves so they can bring in Harry Kane, Maguire, John Stones back plus Ronald on one year loan.

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04 Jul 2018 11:12:32
You will never know mate.

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04 Jul 2018 11:23:11
Brants is in Russia scouting right now I understand.

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{Ed002's Note - Well someone should be in England as Fenerbahce have meetings with Chelsea and Everton lined up for today or tomorrow.}

04 Jul 2018 12:50:27
Is the meeting re out going players ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - Bolasie.}

04 Jul 2018 13:15:28
Hope someone hasn’t messed up the meetings in their diaries then 😱.

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04 Jul 2018 21:22:57
The way I see it outgoings such as Bolasie can be handled by say Bill Kenwright while our DoF is looking at incomings. That said if Mr Brands is in Russia, who has had the uncomfortable conversations with those players that no longer fit the Clubs plans.

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{Ed002's Note - Brands was in London at some point yesterday and again this morning.}

Review Of The Day 4th July 2018

04 Jul 2018 06:29:25
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 4th July 2018

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