Everton Banter Archive June 03 2016

03 Jun 2016 23:29:22
Quick question,

You boy's were over the moon a few years ago when you signed a manager who had just been relegated, but you don't seem too happy on Ronald Koeman, who despite losing some of his best players at start of season, has just finished 5th, 3 points off a top 4 spot.

I'm confused.

03 Jun 2016 23:52:05
Because he's Moyse all over.

04 Jun 2016 00:01:21
I will be very happy with RK much more confident then when we got Roberto.

04 Jun 2016 00:44:03
We played them at beginning of the season and made them look below average. But look what he has achieved since then. 16 points above us, three points from CL as stated above, same goals scored and 14 less conceded. With a ravaged squad that is some achievement. Maybe not my first choice but better than what we had.

04 Jun 2016 01:44:06
How is he Moyes all over. For me he has Moyes nous for setting up his defence but going forward the opposite to Moyes. Going forward all Koemans teams play fast attacking creative football. The way football should be played. Watched a lot of Southampton last season because the football they played was easy on the eyes. To give him no credit for what he has achieved is ignorance or just a lack of footballing knowledge, getting Southampton there record points tally twice in two seasons means he out performed Pottachino and anybody else in saints history. All this while losing his best players. But Koeman went and got replacements a lot cheaper and made them better players. Shane Long is playing a lot better than any other time in his career and credits that to Koeman and a lot of Southampton players make the same claim he made them better players. So if he signs I for one will be delighted.

04 Jun 2016 11:38:28
I'm not a moyes fan by any stretch but I don't get the amount of blues and kopites that have a dig at his style of football. Baines and pienaar are still talked about as being one of the best partnerships in the premier league era on the wings. That was down in the main to moyes and they played well together week in week out so how could we be this long ball team that everyone seems to blame moyes for.

I wanted him gone 3 years before he left because I thought he had taken the club as far as he could but give me his style over martinezs any day.

04 Jun 2016 11:39:18
Koemans style a massive step up though.

04 Jun 2016 00:10:27
not me gunner i am well pleased. question for you mate. koeman has been linked to your team when wenger goes would you be happy with him.

04 Jun 2016 00:29:35
Id be happy with keoman dags. Any manager is a gamble but rk is the safest bet now at this point. he's done a stella job the last 2 years and gets my vote. If we do go down the road of appointing a dof tho i'd love it to be monchi. The guys rep is outstanding.

03 Jun 2016 23:05:07
Sometimes us blues frustrate the hell out of me.

You have idiots that want a manager that was sacked in his previous two jobs, moan because one has a number one at his current club that played for the enemy yet he's not even got the job with us yet, moan that he only got his current club in europe for the last two years and improved the clubs position whilst sellibg their best players, others moaning because another guy hasn't won an away league game but goes on to win in Europe three years on the bounce and beat our biggest enemy in doing it and away from home may I add, moaning about a chairman still being at the helm because we haven't got a manager yet and some even questioning Moshri already.

Me well my only moan is some of our fans. Unfortunately, there's no way of sacking any of them.

Rant over, therapy complete.

03 Jun 2016 20:05:51
I must admit to being a little concerned if Koeman is to be our new manager. There's no disputing that he has done well at Southampton, but as it was generally assumed that they would be close to the bottom of the table, he has been in managerial terms under very little pressure, so anything he did achieve could be seen as a bonus. Whereas if he were to join us on the massive salary that is being quoted, along with a substantial war chest, then the pressure to achieve would be immense, as I feel with that expenditure it would be justified to expect a genuine challenge for the top four.
We have some cracking players in the under 21's and I hope that they are not overlooked in an attempt to buy success or a quick fix. I know he did blood some youngsters at Southampton, but was that out of necessity rather than choice?
Another concern is that he tends to jump ship after a couple of years. This is something we really don't need. General consensus of opinion is that he was using Southampton until something better came along ( the managerial equivalent of Lukaku! ) Would he do the same if Arsenal or Barcelona come knocking in 12 months time?
I'm usually a " glass half full " type of person, so my concerns are a little out of character. Perhaps like everyone else I just want the club to get this one right.
If he is appointed I will of course support him 100%, as I have every other manager we have had ( yes, that includes Gordon Lee, Mike walker and Walter Smith ) . I was going to include he who shall never be mentioned on these pages again, but thought better of it.
Let's enjoy the coming season blues, as this could be the start of something average ( only joking! ) .

03 Jun 2016 23:35:39
Good post Shropshire but I reckon for Barcelona to come knocking next season it will probably mean we've had the best season of our lives.

04 Jun 2016 02:19:54
I would have no concerns of Koeman taking us over. Without a shadow of a doubt is the best man for the job. The reason he left Ajax and may leave Southampton is every time he was building really good squads them clubs kept selling his best players. I for one agree Koeman is correct to leave these clubs as they show no ambition. If Everton with Mr Farhad show the ambition to improve year on year then Mr Koeman will show his class and may show loyalty to be with us long term. Best manager we could have since the first coming of the great Howard Kendall. Let's just get behind him and the players and we might get the same success. PS if our supporters want one of our own Ross Barkley to leave then keep getting on his back for every mistake he makes, I for one find this disgusting behavior by some of our fans. The lad never shied away from trying to get on the ball to make things happen and for me I commend the lad playing with the pressure of some of the crowd giving him a hard time no wonder the lads form dipped. Support Ross and you will sees different player class is permanent and Koeman will improve him as he has done for a lot of players. COYB.

03 Jun 2016 21:38:47
Everyone on this site has opinions, which is what makes the site entertaining. I can accept that not everyone wants Koeman. Hardly anyone wanted Ranieri last close season.
Farhad will have well researched his main target and if Koeman is appointed I will back him and whoever staff he brings. Any number two has to be a step up from the last incumbent as well.
I think we are in for a great ride as Evertonians and In the short term with new personnel to bed in as well 100% fan support must be in the clubs best interest.

{Ed025's Note - i will have that tedster, what we have to realize is that whoever we pick is a gamble, it always is....we just have to hope he fits mate..

03 Jun 2016 22:33:30
Post of the day Ted.

03 Jun 2016 21:11:10
Just to step away from the manager situation: Ron Robert-Zieler has just signed for Leicester. Think he wouldve been a great replacement for Howard.

{Ed002's Note - It was down to Leicester and RBL and Hannover wanted an early resolution.}

03 Jun 2016 21:18:35
I see! He seemed a good keeper too. List of goal-keepers slowly getting smaller now that he and Karius have moved clubs.

04 Jun 2016 04:08:36
Relax Hugo mate there are a lot better keepers out there than the 2 you mentioned. Firstly we need to sort out the manager and maybe a DOF. Then some new players. When Pottochino went to Spurs they sold Bale and brought in 8 players and struggled that season and then 3rd last season. We may have to do it similar it may take 2 seasons so give the new man a chance.

03 Jun 2016 20:38:12
I said last week I thought koeman was going to be are manager and de boer will go to Southampton. if anyone heard it on talk sport. le tissier slipped right up) )

03 Jun 2016 19:49:34
Koeman is coming according to Saints poster in the know, southampton rumours, not long now.

03 Jun 2016 17:37:34
At last people are saying they don't want koeman. I've said time and time again he's done better than average at the saints and I think a lot of itnis down to the setup. I do not want him Southampton please keep him. I'm hoping it's just a smoke screen and we get Emery and Monchi. That is the dream.

03 Jun 2016 19:18:30
Jesus Christ. Right it's time get positive. To jump on board and look to the possibilities this season could offer.

The guys done a really good job the past two years with the players he's had and finished 5 places above us. He has big ambitions and now so do we.

Don't judge him as the manager of someone else judge him now once he is ours.

03 Jun 2016 20:27:50
You mean don't judge him on his actual record, but judge him on a possible future one?

03 Jun 2016 22:33:21
Well are you judging him on the fact saints have sold his best players for two years and he still improved their league position and got them into the Europe for the last two years as well.

Anyway what on earth do you know about managing a football club? Show me your credentials.

03 Jun 2016 19:43:11
Shall we just go for Guardiola instead then? . We can't expect to attract the worlds best, I'd be happy with koeman. Someone listed his "failures" earlier, I challenge you to find a manager in the world who hasn't failed anywhere? . Even Mourinho the supposed special one has last season. Get positive, Koeman would be a good appointment if Southampton will let him go, if not any of the other managers we've been linked with I'd be happy with.

03 Jun 2016 20:08:05
You boy's were happy to sign a manager who just got relegated but are unhappy to sign a manager like Koeman?

Weird bunch you Toffee's :-)

03 Jun 2016 19:11:14
why who else has said because i can count on one hand with 4 fingers missing. i am made up with the news.

03 Jun 2016 19:21:32
Id be happy with either koeman or emery tbh. Although at this point koeman is the safe bet as he has shown he's a good option in the prem where as emery to an extent would be a gamble.
The biggest cog in the wheel for me tho is the dof role. And if we can get monchi in my opinion would be amazing.

03 Jun 2016 17:05:25
Wanted emery or Favre but doesn't look like that's happening. Not sure who I want now but not keen on Koeman. Think he will leave if offered a better job at end of season also he's only done well with Southampton and no one else. To me I think it's the set up itself rather than Koeman which works for Southampton but we will see. Koeman just isn't for me though hope I'm wrong.

03 Jun 2016 17:54:48
Totally agree with all that Dane.

03 Jun 2016 19:13:03
I just don't understand the Koeman hype. He's won nothing and got a mid table team into mid table in the league, to me it makes no sense but what do I know, really hope I'm wrong.

03 Jun 2016 20:55:53
Has Koeman not won many trophies in Holland with Ajax and PSV? And did he not win a cup in Portugal? If anyone knows of more trophies feel free to add but i'm sure he's won quite a few trophies as Manager.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest joe it would be hard not to win a trophy in holland with those 2 teams, but in his spell with the saints he has really impressed me mate..

03 Jun 2016 21:10:32
Is the EPL much different Ed? Before this season finished how many teams have won it the last 10-15years, Chelsea, City and Utd. This makes Leicester's achievement even more unbelieveable but they did it and its exactly what was needed in football. Most of the European leagues (if not all) are won by 2-3 teams. Barcelona Bayern and PSG done the double in their leagues.

{Ed025's Note - the thing with the EPL joe is that all the teams are competitive where as in holland the rest outside the top 3 are cannon fodder mate..

03 Jun 2016 21:30:31
I'll take your word for it Ed as I don't follow results of any other league in Europe. I will say that most seasons in EPL the top 2 beat every team outside the top 6 quite easily most games. And usually finish many points ahead of 3rd-6th.

03 Jun 2016 16:42:07
It really doesn't matter that Southampton have refused us permission to talk to Koeman because the Koeman story is a big misdirection
plan.

03 Jun 2016 17:01:24
explain.

03 Jun 2016 14:29:07
Koeman looks like he should be a sure thing (or as close as there is to such a thing) . Anyone heard any more about Hart? Top class keeper has to be the priority once he new man is in. Lots of rumours in Holland about this Jansenn as Roms replacement, goal
Scoring record is excellent but anyone seen much of him?

03 Jun 2016 16:08:17
I remember when Nigel Martyn was a sure thing first time and ended up at Leeds, be careful guys not to get complacent!

03 Jun 2016 19:24:51
Martyn was nailed on to sign before he went to Leeds wakka but that was down to the then chairman agent Johnson! For anyone who doesn't know where his Park Hampers HQ was, trust me when I say it was in a run down area in the north of Birkenhead. To put it in perspective, in and around the same time frame, an estate that his premises were behind was named as the worst council estate in the UK. The site of PH itself was a bit shabby too. So I can't blame him for darting to Yorkshire, just glad we got him in the end. Why PJ asked him to go to there instead of Goodison or the training ground is a mystery, unless PJ just didn't want to spend cash on him! I don't think FM will make any mistakes of that calibre mate!

03 Jun 2016 14:01:17
Hey

. it beggars belief. so many fans been on here everyday wanting a decision n citing Koeman as their preferred choice. yet someone mentions Sammy Lee n its the end of the world. get a grip. do you honestly believe Mr S Lee would even consider coming to Goodison. a great bit of business in terms of RK if it gets finalised. COYB

Mart.

03 Jun 2016 14:43:43
If Koeman wants Lee to be involved then he will be. It's not the first time we nearly had him as a coach. After Irvine left and Moyes needed a number 2 then Lee was almost in.

He was at all the home games around this time and has always been a regular visitor to Goodison. He just loves football and being involved in any way. Regardless of what we like to think there has always been 'connections' and friendships between the two clubs. If he does come back to Merseyside in Blue then may it prove to be the best period of his life because we'll all be happy.

03 Jun 2016 14:51:50
Why wouldn't Lee come to Goodison? The Anfield connection? Hickson, Morrisey, Sheedy, Ablett, Beardsley, Harper, Johnson. All came directly from across the park. If Lee gets no guarantee of a place in a 'new setup' at Southampton the prospect of a 3yr deal at Goodison will appeal regardless of previous affiliations.

03 Jun 2016 16:34:49
Sammy Lee, apart from with southampton obviously hasn't stepped foot inside anfield for years after a bust up with Dalglish apparently. Wouldn't give a toss if Koeman wanted to bring him with him. It's not like he was playing for us is it?

03 Jun 2016 13:29:48
Koeman to be everton in the next 24hrs looking promising.

03 Jun 2016 15:44:23
Get s grip southampton haven't even gave u permission to talk to him u need that.

03 Jun 2016 13:16:12
Blime Ed I do not believe what I am reading that some so called fans are not happy about our proposed new manager Ronald Koeman because of Sammy Lee being his no 2 at Southampton he probably won't even bring him if he comes I think we are dam lucky to have found a new investor owner to look for the best manager around and also maybe a new stadium soon, long may it last and thank our lucky stars Bill has found the perfect man
, GuernseyBlue.

03 Jun 2016 13:09:31
. Koeman to be unveiled as new Everton manager in the next 24 hours - breaking.

03 Jun 2016 12:16:59
Southampton haven't given him permission to talk to him so as far as I can see it won't happen and he is under contract .

03 Jun 2016 12:26:52
Are you a Saints fan Frankie?

03 Jun 2016 12:49:38
Frank is a saints fan blue, nothing personal frank its just football mate, if he does come good luck for season fella.

03 Jun 2016 13:01:11
Yeah in a saints fan . If he stays he stays if he goes he goes things change in football quickly . But I'm just starring what radio Solent are saying Everton haven been given him permission to speak to him . Also he seems a man of his word he said he would see out his contract . What will be will be.

03 Jun 2016 13:29:24
Frankie, I think your set up at Southampton is one of the best in the country / Europe. This means you'll no doubt appoint a good replacement (if RK does join us - which I still don't think he will) and you will be just fine.

I worry Koeman gets a lot of credit for the good work done by others behind the scenes.

03 Jun 2016 14:07:55
Frankie the thing is mate when managers/ players join clubs these days, we all have to expect as a natural , well The 'moving on' stage and I don't recall RK opening his shirt to reveal another one claiming ' Once a Saint always a Saint'

Somehow, do you?

03 Jun 2016 14:31:00
I happen to agree with the original post, I don't want to become one of these faceless clubs without humility. Yes we have a little bit of cash now but it doesn't entitle us to anything. It wasn't so long ago that we were all up in arms about Chelsea trying to force our hands over stones, I hated them for that.

03 Jun 2016 11:13:44
Really don't get the attraction of Koeman. He's managerial record is full of initial success followed by deteriation and sackings. Who does that sound like. and people have also said to me, look what he has done at Southampton. Yes he got sixth! Now who does that sound like? I also hear people going on about how we are being linked with mangers of his stature is a massive step up, we'll clearly he isn't! Honestly think our fans don't know how to aspire to greater ambition. Obviously it isn't the fans decision however it looks like our man in the hot seat is on board. As you can tell I'm very underwhelmed by this possibility if there is a variable I am missing please feel free to enlighten me.

03 Jun 2016 11:57:38
Yes I looked up his full record an he seems to do well for a couple of years then it all goes pair shaped, so if we get him we should get rid of him in two years maybe.
That is why Emery did become my number one as his overall record is fantastic.
He does have one advantage over Emery, he has managed well in the prem and can handle top players leaving as that will happen ie Lukaku, Stones and maybe more. He also gives youth a chance so let's get behind him and hope it all works out, he has done well at Southamton.

03 Jun 2016 12:01:41
Please enlighten us all on what we should aspiring to then? Who would your choice be?

03 Jun 2016 12:25:21
Simeone, Emery, even de-boar all better prospects. When you say "us all" does that mean you speak for everyone I take it? Because I seem to remember this was the case when Martinez was appointed and now it "why did we appoint a manager who had just been relegated. Oh and I suppose Simeone is unrealistic for a club like us now too.

03 Jun 2016 12:39:49
C'mon Smithy give the guy a break 'figure of speech' and so on.

Yes Simeone and like you say he is out of our reach, FDB?

Then Neil Lennon may have been a good prospect while he was riding high in the SPL!

Emery and Monchi was all the talk yesteday but that was yesterday!

As for the RM coming here I was dead against him he was a PL failure. . . 'fact' as they say!

Is RK a PL failure?

03 Jun 2016 13:09:29
"Honestly think our fans don't know how to aspire to greater ambition"

"Our fans" does relate to us all? your words not mine! Pot Kettle Black?

Koeman - Prem experience and has done well for 2 seasons in a row now, safe pair of hands for me and a big enough name to attract decent players.

Simone - Does not speak English and this would be a massive disadvantage. He also turned the Russian Rubles so highly unlikely he would come to EFC

De-Boar - by all accounts RM in disguise, if you where so against RM I would assume you would know better. Maybe not eh

Emery - Would be my second choice.

03 Jun 2016 13:36:35
What link do you make between de boar and RM? He's sucess at Ajax is considerably better than Koreans.

Koeman did well the past two seasons? Well let's sign him them! Are we signing a mangers on his recent form at Southampton really? He got sixth with limited assets! Explain how that's a step up from Moyes?

03 Jun 2016 14:08:40
If you think Koeman and Moyes are in the same mould you have just lost your argument mate.
And as you said he got sixth with limited assets whilst losing assets at the same time.

03 Jun 2016 16:23:05
All these choices seem pretty good exept for De Boer who is another Martinez he would take us down I reckon.
I rate Koeman as being in the same class as Moyes which means I rate him highly.
He has one avantage over Moyes and that is he will not get stick from day one from the Evertonians with very very short memories.
Whoever gets the job will have a difficult start as RM has left us in a complete mess with no squad to talk about.

03 Jun 2016 10:13:00
Skysports news we are in talks with koeman.

03 Jun 2016 08:13:40
Morning Blues, should be some good news coming our way today, Koeman still has a year left at the Saints but in todays world money talks, previously we have had none and this always bites us in the arse, now we have plenty and for once in my 44 years the shoe is on the other foot so I am going to embrace it.

Reports that we are offering Koeman around £145,000 per week show a huge statement from Mr Moshiri that he wants to make us great again, let's sit back and enjoy the ride, next new contracts or show players the door, an open top bus and a stadium on the docks, someone pinch me now.

03 Jun 2016 08:39:22
According to reports Murf, FM has set his sites on RK and is going the whole hog to get him.

This tells me that when not 'if' he aquires the shares he has also set his sites on . . . we will see the new stadium and other things we have only dreamed of previously come to fruition. I do believe this not a false new dawn it's the real deal!

03 Jun 2016 05:06:11
anyone know much about Florian Kainz from Rapid? I'm really liking him from what I've seen on Utube and think we could do far worse than grabbing Kainz for a few 100,000.

03 Jun 2016 03:29:48
Crazy times at present. Somebody goes on Twitter and speculates about the new Manager and then all the football reports state the same according to "sources". I will believe it when either ed002 or the Everton Official site report it. Moshiri is obviously a very successful business man and used to getting his way. One very interesting aspect of this exercise will be to see how successful Moshiri is in persuading a top level Director of Football/ Manager combination to join us. It should give us an insight into what to expect from the owner in the future.