Everton Banter Archive February 03 2016

03 Feb 2016 23:06:00
Watching highlights of the everton vs Newcastle game on sky tonight and the commentator mentioned us getting potentially taken over and that we have had a inspector come and survey our stadium for expansion this week?

Heard anything Ed?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

04 Feb 2016 00:03:38
Well there you have it.

04 Feb 2016 01:20:50
Well spudv did say in the rumour page a no would suffice.

{Ed007's Note - I'm surprised nobody's posted in 'What do you mean no?'}

04 Feb 2016 01:55:35
Moyes new Celtic manager?

04 Feb 2016 06:58:43
I did indeed NBTB, I thought edoo2's reply was quite funny to be honest. Not very often that he shows his humorous side, must be having some chill time after the transfer window!

04 Feb 2016 09:56:00
"What do you mean no? " "surprise"

03 Feb 2016 22:57:06
Thought all round good display! Apart from the obvious Lennon, Barkley! Thought cleverly played very well. Had to play wider than usual to help double up on sissoko! And put in a good shift! Few little mishaps with mori and I thought in a 15 minute spell when they had the ball Barry tried 3 or 4 times to just run at the opponent full steam ahead! Obviously getting side stepped every time! Apart from that 3 good points.

03 Feb 2016 22:43:06
Two convenent face saving injuries to-night, 3 points, wonder what the team will be at Stoke?

03 Feb 2016 22:24:34
Joel-7-Not much to do but did what was needed, his distribution was quality. Punched away a cross second half and the pressure was off, so pro active coming out of his area.

Coleman-5-God his crossing was bad, said it time and time again, he stares at his feet and doesn't get his head up, needs to improve his crossing.

Jagielka-8-Caused no problems, nice to see him just hit it away.

Mori-7.5-Same as Jags really.


Oviedo-8-Love him, so passionate, proper Evertonian, handled Sissoko very well despite being half his size, didn't get forward but defended really well.

McCarthy-7-Ran the midfield with Barry, good to see him driving forward when needed, some solid interceptions.

Barry-7-Same as McCarthy, always available, so clever he sees the game before it happens.

Lennon-9-Terrified them with his pace, someone described his work rate as infectious and it's so true. Did Coleman's job for him, pressed Newcastle all game. So underrated, rarely loses the balk and never stops running.

Barkley-9-Couldn't choose between him and Lennon, Ross controlled the midfield and did what he liked. Not just the penalties, he did some excellent passes, his vision was top notch today. Tracked back too, complete performance today.

Cleverley-7.5-Unlucky with the free kick, worked hard and wasn't scared to put his foot in, not going to lie, grown on me a lot, good player.

Lukaku-6.5-Hold up play and strength were brilliant, needs to gamble more as Ross' turn and cross was superb and he wasn't there, strikers dream but Rom was sleeping.

Kone-5-Don't get me started, at Wigan he had real strength and was so fast, the knee injury has took them away. He's now useless, 2 good chances missed and overall a liability.

Joel, Lennon, Bryan and Ross were boss. Hope Rom is okay as Kone is garbage.

Solid performance, defence much improved and just overall much better.

03 Feb 2016 23:00:24
Agree with it all Swan except Barkley gave the ball away a bit so would score him less than Lennon who was immaculate. Best game fo us by a mile. and I thought Kone was carp at Wigan. but I told you that lol. but let's not fall out mate because its not often we can celebrate a win!

03 Feb 2016 23:06:25
Thx for the info swan. I missed the game : (

04 Feb 2016 01:28:26
Sorry Degs but Ross was head and shoulders above the rest tonight sometimes I think we expect too much from him and he frustrates me when he pulls out of tackles but don't forget he had a hell of a long time out for 2 very serious leg breaks that could of finished some people off so I will forgive him that part of his game but we have a real Gem of a player in Ross and another good thing about him is he is not trying to leave so let's build a team around him for years to come.

04 Feb 2016 10:16:22
Have to disagree Swan on that performance Kone is nowhere near as good as garbage.

03 Feb 2016 21:53:02
A 3-0 win and we also hit the woodwork three times.
At 1-0 it was a bit nervous, but we were far better than them. Some standout performances - Lennon, Oviedo and Barkley - and everyone else contributed, although Mori had a couple of shaky defensive moments.
Only observation is that it's a win against a team below us. We need to start winning against the other teams - starting against Stoke who are a decent side this season.

03 Feb 2016 21:50:43
Just watched Newcastle Everton on star sports stream, commentator claims surveyors have been present at goodison and could be due to takeover. If true looks good when already looking to expand goodison.

03 Feb 2016 22:00:21
Yeh I heard that aswell said something like they have been around Goodson looking at the possibility of renoventing!

03 Feb 2016 21:49:40
. well done to the boys tonight. in truth it could of been 6 or 7.although I thought we missed Stones and Howard at the back massively lol;) . joking aside - that's 2 games now without them both and 2 comfortable wins, just saying like!

03 Feb 2016 21:48:46
watched game on live stream thought it was a much improved performance but the main thing for me was what the commentator said during the game he said AND I QUOTE. the surveyers have been at goodison this week to disscuss the regeneration of goodison park. make of that wot you will.

03 Feb 2016 21:45:08
Great result tonight. Few thoughts though as I didn't see the game. Clean sheet, is it coincidental that Howard/ stones weren't playing or more that Newcastle struggle for goals? Not that I'm having a go at stones but he needed to be dropped. maybe a wake up call to show he is replaceable.

04 Feb 2016 03:03:15
Apparently Stones suffered a hamstring injury in training which is why he wasn't even on the bench. Now some would say that's just an excuse for him not being in the starting eleven but I seriously doubt he would have been dropped from the entire match day squad if he was not injured. Worrying thing for him is we looked much, much more solid at the back without him, maybe he will struggle to get his place back. oh wait no he won't I forgot bobby picks his teams on reputation not actual form. sorry that was negative on such a great night. It's time we went on a run of wins and if we play like that we just might do it.

03 Feb 2016 21:35:50
Looks like Ross will be man of the match 3 points well done you Blues GuernseyBlue.

03 Feb 2016 21:41:53
So glad for Ross good display hopefully his knockers on here will take note!

03 Feb 2016 21:46:08
Lennon ws my man of the match by a mile. He has not been a favourite for me but he was strong today and good in everything he did.

03 Feb 2016 21:46:12
Lennon mate was fantastic I thought but don't care who gets it we desperately needed that.

03 Feb 2016 21:51:33
To be fair, their keeper deserves motm and a medal for playing behind that shower of a defence

3 points is what we all wanted so well done lads

COYB.

03 Feb 2016 19:30:32
A just checking we are the home team tonight?

03 Feb 2016 21:42:06
Well what do I know!

03 Feb 2016 21:44:38
Don't give a monkeys Woburn as long as we win, get the defence sorted first and then move forward. Hopefully Martinez can stop the waffle and actually get us moving up the table now. All we have ever asked is that he stops being so far up his own rear.

03 Feb 2016 18:16:47
Come on Everton 3 points tonight please no messing just get the job done I will take 1 nil win now with a solid performance from our defence. COYB.

03 Feb 2016 18:20:51
I'd take a 1-0 win with a solid defensive performance against anybody!

03 Feb 2016 18:30:26
If Joel plays we win 2-0, of Howard and Stones play, we lose 4-2.

03 Feb 2016 18:35:07
True that NBTB no arguments from me mate.

03 Feb 2016 19:52:08
Hope your right swan. No howard or stones.

03 Feb 2016 15:46:02
Hypothetical question

a) The board don't sell but sack bobby and bring in a new manager

b) The board sell up but the new owners back the Martinez to the hilt

What would you pick, I'm edging towards a)

Like I say hypothetical.

03 Feb 2016 16:04:25
B, if he carried on as he is doing then he would be sacked by new American owners soon enough, they are ruthless about money.

03 Feb 2016 16:11:40
B. The current board have done a great job in my opinion but have taken us as far as they are capable of.

03 Feb 2016 16:35:58
Interesting responses lads only a bit offun to see what people think is priority number one new board or new gaffer.

03 Feb 2016 17:08:44
When you put it like priority of board or gaffer. I'd go for manager. The board has ensured our premiership status while being here.

Martinez for me puts that assurance of premiership status in doubt. So if I had to pick Martinez to go.

Even though the board has taken us as far as they can as someone said is true. Martinez certainly hasn't built the team to progress from previous manager and I think some other manager could take us forward better and more quickly.

03 Feb 2016 13:18:11
Right this is all getting pathetic now starting to sound like reds, James McCarthy doesn't score enough goals? So what it's not his job, him and Barry, who also takes too much stick on this site, are there to help out at the back when our full backs go forward so we should potentially have Rom Ross Geri niasse Seamus and Baines going forward creating/ scoring goals with Barry McCarthy jags and stones left to stop the counter attacks, if Martinez dropped one ov them and we left 3 players back he would get slated, I understand it's not going to plan at the minute and I am one ov many who are frustrated but to single out players like McCarty who work hard every game is pathetic and you should be ashamed of yaselves as blues, fair play if he didn't look interested and was angling for a move but c'mon the lad plays his hardest every week as do 99% of the team,
Let's start backing the lads starting tonight from first minute to last make goodison rock
Sorry for the rant but this site needs a reality check sometimes or it just becomes too depressing to read, keep up good work ed your like a Samaritan these days.

03 Feb 2016 13:37:43
I agree completely Johny, only thing though mate is we keep getting the same "lets all be happy and back the team tonight, positivity Blues"

We then get beat or draw and everyone is sad again, we should all do the following - Back the team on match night, if we get beat all moan like hell until the next match night, if we win all be happy for 24 hours, then all moan like hell again until the next match night then back the team again, and so on and so on:)

03 Feb 2016 14:16:59
I second that johny89. I was probably the one standing up for McCarthy the most.

Also see the irony in Murf1000 comment.

Still think we don't help things by not getting behind the team more. We should encourage them and cheer them on to do what we all really want. To win.

03 Feb 2016 14:24:24
We should be backing the team 100% I don't believe any player puts on that shirt and doesn't care if we lose, I agree I want rid of Martinez but his tactics sent the lads fault.

03 Feb 2016 15:51:38
I think I started this debate a while back and so want to put the record straight. I did not attack James McCarthy for his inability to score. rather I suggested we had to many central midfielders that were of a similar type and McCarthy was one of them. Cleverly, Barry, Besic and McCarthy are our central midfielders and between them they score no more than about 6 a season. I blame the manager for signing these 4 and when you consider some of the players they are replacing. Fellaini, Cahill, Osman and Pienaar. those plaayers averaged about 35 goals a season. they are definately not similar players and have different attributes. Signing any 22 of the 4 he signed would be ok as long as he signed a couple of others with different attributes. ie helped with asssists or scored a few goals. so my attaack was not on McCarthy. it was on the managers approach to midfield players. And I fully believe that is why we have so much possession every game yet create few opportunities.

03 Feb 2016 16:40:28
I don't care who is scoring our goals as long as there being scored all I know is we have scored more goals at this point in the season than any other premier league season so I'm happy with that.

03 Feb 2016 17:16:30
And that is wh.

03 Feb 2016 17:17:56
Everything you say is true Degsy. But I don't blame Martinez for signing those players. I think he was right. Imo we got all 4 at good value. You could even put Gibson into the mix.

I know what your saying they replaced the players you say score more goals. That's all down to change in tactics imo. Martinez didn't sign those to score goals.

He signed those to help the defence and allow Barkley, Del boy and Lukaku to score and create goals. Which all 3 are doing very well so far this season.

Problem is the defence. I know its not working with the defensive midfielders you mention along with the back 4.

I'm in total agreement with you about our last manager. Just think your argument about them players not scoring doesn't stand because they weren't signed for that reason due to tactics used.

I agree its not good to rely heavily on Lukaku. Seems to be the Martinez way. Maybe if he plays 4-4-2 with our new arrival we might see more goals coming from midfield also.

03 Feb 2016 17:22:35
And that is where your argument is flawed degsypulford you are not comparing the same thing so that you can bash McCarthy and Barry.
Pienaar played out wide so no comparison.
Cahill played behind the striker so no comparison.
Osman played mostly out wide occasionally in the middle.
Fellaini first season in the middle last season under Moyes behind the striker.
If you want to compare like for like Evertons midfield in Moyes' last season comprised of Gibson, Hitzlsperger, Neville, Heitinga playing in the middle and I am guessing there weren't many goals!

03 Feb 2016 17:27:03
Literally just about to post and NBTB took the words right out my mouth, spot on.

Degsy, IMO Besic, Barry and Cleverley are much better players than Osman and Pienaar, it's down to the tactics. Besic hasn't had a proper run in the team but we know his quality. Barry is a defensive midfielder, Cleverley can score but is deployed as a winger. The players are not at fault here, the manager is.

However, as NBTB says, we signed Lukaku, Deulofeu and brought in Barkley to do all that stuff and as a whole, the team scores more goals.

The issue is never goals, it's the defence not being coached properly.

03 Feb 2016 18:38:04
Well we will have to disagree. because whether you talk about central midfielders, holding midfielders, wide midfielders or even attacking midfielders playing just behind the center forward, they are still the midfield. and the 4 players of the last few seasons scored about 35 a season. the current 4 score about 5 a season. so add in Lukaku's 20 and we have a few more. but what happens when Lukaku goes? Thought about that? And why are we conceding so many? Because of his coaching? Maybe. Maybe there is something in that, but the one thing I would say is that we do not defend well as a team anymore. We have defenders. They defend. We have attackers. they attack. Then it is up to our midfielders to cover so much ground trying to support the attack and then cover the defense. The saying "a problem shared is a problem halved" springs to mind. Well my view is the same as it was 2 years ago. RM signs a certain type of hard working player for midfield. I still firmly believe that these players are not natural goalscorers nor creators. I might be wrong, but the league table does not lie to me. For every three goals we score, we concede 2.5.

{Ed025's Note - fair post that degs..

03 Feb 2016 18:41:43
Oh and it was no surprise to me that Osman played for about 60 mins against Man City and we looked pretty solid until he got knackered and was subbed. We need a couple of young Osmans or Pienaars. Playing both Barry and McCarthy in the same team works to a degree. But adding in Cleverly and/ or Besic just makes us so unbalanced.

03 Feb 2016 19:23:38
and Swan, I am not having a go. I respect your view. but you say Barry, Besic and Cleverly are better players than Osman and Pienaar? Seriously? How do you define better players? Remember theconversation started talking about goal contribution to the team. Osman got 8 alone in his last full season. (I am not saying he is still at that level) . Barry, Besic and McCarthy together will never score 8 in a season I guarantee that! Pienaar got 5 or 6 too. They are players that defend and also bring something to the attack. Assists and goals. I can count on one hand the assists and goals from the Martinez three. I accept they may look better running with the ball. Be better at tackling. Even long range passing. But Pienaar and Osman had the ability to hold the ball up, bring others into play and even get the odd shot away. Cahill had an incredible ability to arrive late and get headers in with so much power. shots too. His ability was very limited, but he used every bit of his nouse to intimidate the opposition and could also put a tackle in. I would rather have 3 Tim Cahills in the team than any of the Martinez 3 players but I guess that's just my opinion and I will never be able to prove what Iam saying.

03 Feb 2016 19:34:57
I agree with every word you say in both posts Degsy. Apart from one sentence. Our current 4 midfielders score 5 a season.

We actually have 5 midfielders and Barkley alone has scored more. Add in Del boy and how many do you have.

I'm not disagreeing with anything else you say. There's just so many ways you could look at it.

I agree with Osman and Pienaar. I've only ever praised them. Recently stood up for Osman.

Doing the same for McCarthy.

I think your gripe is more with Martinez than anything. Wouldn't be talking about the players as much.

Its more to do with tactics and formation than players your mentioning imo.

03 Feb 2016 21:53:05
Absolutely NBTB. my gripe is with Martinez. He needs more variety in his midfielders. that's exactly what I am saying. Yes Barkley has scored more than the others put together. But look at the players from 3 years ago. Felli, Osman, Pienaar, Cahill. all scored. Its the 3 or 4 regulars that Martinez picks that don't score. Yes Barkley does. but that's 1 midfielder. To a degree Deulofeu does too (when he is picked) and Mirralas (when he is picked) and Naismith does (or did when he was picked) . Fact is certain midfielders will never score loads. I would put Gibson also in that category. but it all adds to the pressure on Lukaku and Barkley. and it makes it easier for the opposition to stop us. it is almost stop Lukaku and you stop Everton. let's drop this now though. We mulled it enough.

04 Feb 2016 08:35:47
Good first post degsy you keep comparing attacking midfielders to McCarthy Barry besic silly point Martinez has made vgood signings all over the pitch we not an ageing squad now we were under moyes in his short time Martinez has turned us into a very young exciting team should be doing better yes but I still believe he will get it right you say boring non scoring signings del boy Lennon lukaku now naisse the Swiss kid bringing the best outta Barkley very good signings all over pitch for me.

03 Feb 2016 09:42:07
Cmon boys I don't see anyone leaving in the summer, I see more top signings we get the takeover and new stadium they will all want to be part of it, let's be positive too much negative stuff these days, GuernseyBlue.

03 Feb 2016 13:24:48
Nothing would make me happier if your right GuernseyBlue.

03 Feb 2016 14:05:51
Is right guernsey lad P-M-A.

03 Feb 2016 05:40:44
Okay, I know its just You Tube Videos.

Niasse looks good (yeah I know its Russia)

He appears strong, quick, and aggressive.

He turns on the ball and heads upfield quickly. He seems to have a sense in the clips of timing and where the back of the defense is so as to avoid offsides.

Quick shooter and passer, and his method seems to be cutting into the middle. He doesn't minding wading into the forest of center backs.

Would be a great complement to Rom.

Does his speed translate to the PL?

Can he shoot with his left foot?

I think so (and for all that money I hope so) .

Imagine more of a 4-3-3, with Deulofeu / Super-Kev on the right, Niasse on the left and Rom in the Middle. Barry and Besic and Barkley behind, and the back 4 of Coleman, Stones, Jags, and Baines.

And Joel in goal.

We'd score a lot.

And if you score a lot, that blasted offsides at the death of the match goal won't matter if you are up 3 or 4 to 1.

I hope just hope we didn't rely of Moron-ho's scouting report from Chelsea to find this guy.

03 Feb 2016 01:40:22
I think it will be hard to hold onto Stones in the summer. Pep I think will go all out to sign him for City. It would be hard for Stones to refuse. He probably is the most respected manager in Europe at the moment.

For the record I'd try everything to hold onto Stones. Just saying I think we'll have a big fight on our hands to keep him.

Looks like all the top managers are coming to EPL. Klopp, Pep and Bilic. I'd personally pick Simeone of Athletico to replace Martinez if I could pick anyone. Or Jose.

Can't see it happening. Think we have Martinez for rest of the season anyway. I said I'd give my verdict on Martinez at the end of the season. Would want to have one hell of an end to season to change my mind at the moment.

03 Feb 2016 13:51:38
I know you said 'ideal' but simeone/ Mourinho unrealistic for now. maybe one day! 2 men i'd chose and I think realistic, Unai Emery (sevilla) or Marcelino (Villarreal) I like both manager styles, think the foundations are there with Everton that they could easily adapt. Both play excellent football, but have a solid defensive unit. Both give chances to young players, especially Marcelino.

Agree that Pep is going to try for Stones no doubt, but I know he's a big fan of Laporte (Bilbao) so may look to him first.

03 Feb 2016 15:21:28
In fairness any manager who can have his team defending properly would do well at Everton. With the squad we have if the defending gets sorted surely the attack knows what it's doing at this stage. The change in tactics would be good.

03 Feb 2016 16:27:49
Nbtb flip that around and that's where we are. The manager has got the team attackng and our defenders should know how to defend. A change of keeper would go a long way into improving our defence. As good as Howard's been over the years he can't cut it anymore and that's got to make our back four nervous and a nervous defender is always going to make mistakes :- (

03 Feb 2016 17:03:16
I know what your saying Anomblue. Our defenders should know how to defend. The funny thing is I think they know exactly how to defend. Its Martinez tactics that is making the defense more vulnerable and putting them under pressure.

Playing the ball out of defense, taking chances with the ball rather than clearing them and the keeper are all contributing to us conceding more goals. I don't buy it's the defenders.

Before Martinez came they were very efficient. Change of tactics has crippled them imo.

03 Feb 2016 18:20:05
If we changed rm to a defence oriented manager I think that might take away our attacking flair. As frustrating as it is watching us play this season I still prefer our style if not the results :/ in a perfect world we'd need a manager who can sort both attack and defence out with the tactical awareness to switch between the 2.not sure who'd I bring in instead of him though tbh.