Everton Banter Archive July 31 2017

 

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31 Jul 2017 22:27:32
Obviously Koeman and Walsh have their #1 priority signing objectives and if they do not work out they will have backups and even backups to the backups. It could however end in us not being able to sign all of the targeted players in which case we will end up with less further additions than planed. While not being happy, what I do like about this scenario, is that I trust this management team not to make any rash last minute signings just to make up the numbers. It is important to get in the right players and not just make up the numbers. There will be more transfer windows and better opportunities to get in class players.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that mike mate..

01 Aug 2017 09:23:50
Mike, I'm worried about that too. Martinez could be one of those buys. Hope I'm wrong although RK should have seen enough of him at Southampton to know what he can do. Reading about the press suggesting Tottenham look at Mahrez instead of Barkley. If we don't get Gylfi, and he would be my first choice, I think Mahrez would be a good buy as he will give us the width, provide assists, just not as good with the dead ball, free kicks etc?

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{Ed025's Note - i think mahrez will end up at roma dante..

31 Jul 2017 20:15:33
Just read the Sigs signing a new contract. Crazy if true how that panned out. The source says it's from a group that own 21% of Swansea. So possibly take with a pinch of salt.

I still think we should take a punt on Celtics Moussa Dembele for out striker. A risk coming from Scotland but surely it's got to be worth it.

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31 Jul 2017 23:11:26
Might as well sign a div 3 striker, standard is about the same as scot prem.

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01 Aug 2017 09:14:33
VVD wasn't a bad investment for Southampton from Celtic!

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31 Jul 2017 19:38:26
Looks like Sig deal is not going to be done and i'm not overly bothered, technically, if form from Ajax is replicated, Klaassen can do just as good a job so for me it isn't a drama. We can reassess in Jan if need be.

Our priorites must absolutely be a goal scorer. Sandro looked bright and i feel is going to do well, but replacing Roms goals is a tough ask so we really need a solid target man or poacher who can consistently hit 15-20 goals. The 40m earmarked for Sig should get us a very decent forward. I would love Giroud but honestly see him staying at Arsenal if a move to France doesn't happen. Welbeck would be fab but injuries worry me and i doubt Arsenal would sell. Is it worthwhile taking a punt on an experienced (old) player who offers value and goals until the right man could be found? Obviously we haven't been linked but someone who could be available is Arjen Robben, but high wages and trying to get him to consider Everton would be tough. I really like the guy at Bilbao, Aritz Aduriz. Scary age at what 35? But last couple of years seems to be better than ever. Not ideal targets i know but right now i just can't see anybody who we can bring in for a long term future.

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31 Jul 2017 22:22:57
Would martial not fit the bill? Goalscorer, out of favour, not given a real chance as a number 9 striker, young to develop with us for a number of years, control is good aswell which we have missed having hungry hippo up front the last 3 seasons.

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{Ed025's Note - very talented young man craig but has flaws in his personality a very poor work ethic and an attitude problem, thats why he is out of favour at utd and why we should stay well clear mate..

31 Jul 2017 22:49:54
As Ed says, it's the attitude. I imagine very expensive too. I think options are limited for a great team player who grafts. For the time being i would just be happy to get someone who can score on a regular basis because i think we have a hardworking midfield who will create opportunities. Pace and trickery would be nice of course but you can see why the likes of Defoe are still in demand at the tailend of their career, they score and that's the desired attribute.

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31 Jul 2017 23:10:02
Sorry Worcester have to disagree, Gylfi would be ideal player for us. We still don't have anyone who can take a decent corner . This guys class. He has matured into a very good player since his days with Spurs, and that is what we're paying for.
He can control the tempo of a game, were as Klassen is drive forward type of player. Having Gylfi on one side and Klassen on the other would create a major headache for any team. Just need a big target man up top for him to aim at.
I for one hope this deal still happens.

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01 Aug 2017 02:41:46
ive said before he would be a good addition if signed, but i just don't think he is needed, especially at the asking price. If Sig comes in then it's Tom D who will lose out on a regular basis and that's just a travesty, he earned his place last year and shouldn't have more competition put in his way now. We don't need him and that's the simple fact, we just want to add him because we can.

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01 Aug 2017 06:36:50
Worcester that is a good plan but only if we want to stay in 7th for the rest of eternity. To challenge the top 4 we need proven quality which is what siggurdson is. Tom D is the man for a few years down the line or will be a good squad player now.

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01 Aug 2017 10:09:25
Disagree about Davis He will need regular football to improve I would expect if we signed Sig then his game time would be severely limited so would his development. I see EFC as being in a transitional stage we have a lot of good English youngsters that need development being in Europe will aide that as I expect them to get more game time. We had a strong season and hopefully will build on that but as long as we keep progressing I am not too bothered if we don't make the top 4 this season. An aspiration yes but not a bench mark for failure. It took Spuds a long time to break up top 4 cartel I think some need a little more patience if we are to be a force for the foreseeable future another 2 or 3 seasons at least. COYB.

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01 Aug 2017 16:10:49
What you talking about smit? With our improvements already, we can push for 5th or 6th, maybe squeak 4th. Tom D is not the finished article by any means but to stop him getting game time because he's the man for a few years time is crazy. He needs to play to develop. If we keep signing players who block his path then it will only be a matter of time before he wants out.
I keep saying that i agree Sig would be a good addition if signed but why can't people see that he is not needed? We have Rooney, Klaassen, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Tom D, Lookman, Bolasie, Barry, Mirralas. that's 9 players for limited spots and i'm not counting the likes of McCarthy, Besic, Calvert-Lewin.
Someone said we need him because we can't take a decent corner. Firstly Rooney can. 2nd, if a team pays 50m for a corner taker then its just insanity.
I just think, like my original post said, we should be looking to add a striker and perhaps another cb before looking to spend more crazy money in midfield.

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01 Aug 2017 18:16:04
Klassen is more likely to limit Toms game time not Siggurdson. Siggurdson will most likely rotate with Rooney, Barkley if he stays and mirallas. With Europa league Tom will most likely get 15-20 games this season and that is fine for any young lad.
If we get injuries to Rooney, mirallas or even Klassen we will need a deep squad.

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01 Aug 2017 18:24:01
My point exactly Smit.

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01 Aug 2017 19:07:26
You said nothing of the sort Woburnblue.

I do see your point to an extent Smit, 20 games for Tom would be fair, but personally i just don't see the need at 50m. If he was half that price then I'd be all for signing him but such a high price just signals bad business to me when we need to invest in a forward more importantly.

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01 Aug 2017 19:30:43
Having Rooney take corners is insane. We have bought him in for his goals, siggurdson for his assists. It would make sense for him to take corners or Baines and Bolasie.

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01 Aug 2017 20:14:06
They will all get a clutch of games Worcester. With a possibility of over 50 games we need them. The Thursday and sunday games will take it out of them especially Rooney and siggurdson can play that position.

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01 Aug 2017 22:06:50
There's nothing insane about Rooney taking corners, it's something he's often done throughout his career. The point of them is predominantly to get a big man targeted to head home, that's why defenders are always up there. Rooney is not someone who is known as a scorer of headed goals.

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01 Aug 2017 23:06:14
Rooney will be lethal with a corner headed down to him in or around the box. Why waste that. Leave him to the odd free kick and let siggurdson and Baines stick it on the big mans head if we sign one.

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31 Jul 2017 16:59:10
Does anyone know if the Europa League game this week is being televised please? If so what channel is it on?
I was certain it would be shown on ITV4 like last week but having just checked the listings they have a motorcycle racing programme then a Bond film listed.
As far as I can see it's not listed to be shown on any channel at all.

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{Ed025's Note - its on itv4 it says in the listings mate..

31 Jul 2017 17:25:39
Thanks for that Ed. Our sky box must be on the blink then, it's still showing as the programmes I mentioned earlier. While I quite like Goldfinger (classic Connery) I'd rather watch my beloved Blues.

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{Ed025's Note - i just typed into google...live football ot tv this week rib, glad i could help mate..

31 Jul 2017 17:29:35
It’s I. The sky listings RiB.

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31 Jul 2017 17:38:00
Just checked again (Mrs not too happy with disrupting her Aussie soaps) and it's now showing the footy instead. Thanks for your help folks.

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31 Jul 2017 16:36:43
Been thinking about this Ross situation, basically it's a game of who blinks first. I think there are 4 clubs interested in him but at the right price. They are all hoping for a 15-20 million bargain but it will come down to wages. Chelsea definitely need more English players but I think Utd will come in at the last minute and it will be 30 million plus 110,000 a week. Don't all shoot me down just a theory.

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31 Jul 2017 17:21:13
Well he could have had that 110 grand here. He wanted 120,000,so turned down a contract with us. 120 grand, Spuds have said no chance.

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31 Jul 2017 10:01:08
Not a lot of movement out there at the moment. Daily rumours about Sig, Giroud, Barkley. any other irons in the fire that you know of Ed?

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{Ed025's Note - we are being linked to winston reid tadpole but im not sure thats going anywhere mate..

31 Jul 2017 09:27:00
Is it me or do the papers seem to be having abit of fun at ours and west hams expense, last week we were after Collin and now Reid, then saying west ham are after Barkley. just can't see any of them. adding anything we haven't all ready got.

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31 Jul 2017 08:58:35
Lots of rags this morning saying spurs want ross to lower his wage demands or he will price himself out of a move seems to me hel probably end up with less than wve offerd if he goes.

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{Ed025's Note - it seems that ross and his advisers have a far higher opinion of ross than the rest of the footballing world mart..

30 Jul 2017 23:16:03
ED, I pity your job on this site. It seems like u can never please some people. They moaned when we had no money, now they moan we don't spend enough. I agree we have not spent a lot, (net spend) but I like to think that is good business.

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{Ed025's Note - some do like to have a moan micky but its nowhere near as bad as the liverpool or united pages, in my view we dont have a lot to moan about as i think our business has been great and there is still more to come, we all asked for us to do our business early and we have but now some are saying we have not signed anyone for ages sometimes you cant win, what some dont take into consideration is the wage bill, agents fees, tax, vat etc on all these transfers which can almost double the amount of the fee mate..

31 Jul 2017 10:14:38
I agree Micky I feel we have done good business. I for one don't have a clue as to the impact of all the other costs however it pleases me to see we have recouped a lot of funds off the deal for Lukaku, which to me shows we have been smart with the money and still have funds for further acquisitions! Was great to get some business done early and set our stall out.
I am also one of those fans that throws out my opinion on here similarly to some of the other posters but I do try to keep it constructive.
It's going to be pivotal season ahead and at times may not go how we want but it's all steps back in the right direction.

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31 Jul 2017 15:55:01
Ed002 had many times explained the add on's for transfers which can be high. For example say we got 75M up front for Lakaku and we pay 45M for Sig, the amount we actually pay is "45 plus x" were "x" can be a big number. Consequently we do not have 30M left for players but "30M minus x". Fans need to leave the finalncial aspects to the experts and be happy with the players we have go in so far with the prospect of more to come.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree mike..

31 Jul 2017 00:56:27
I actually repeated myself on the teams page but showed a couple options of formation with players we got. Rk has so many options of formation and playing staff now so teams won't know how we are setting up. I didn't even include Davies, kev, lookman etc.
We have a really strong looking squad to cater for injuries, suspensions and loss of form this season as well as changing formation to suit who we are playing.

I am so looking forward to this season. It may take time to gel and we won't win every game but I think we will finish at least 7th and hopefully higher at the end of season.

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30 Jul 2017 23:10:17
To Mowfee82, do you really think it would be £30 plus Connelly = 50 million?
I hope you're right, but let's not have ago at Swansea for rating gilfi at £50 million, if you think Connelly is worth £30.

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31 Jul 2017 08:56:03
That would be 60 million mickey.

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