Everton Banter Archive August 31 2013

 

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31 Aug 2013 23:47:30
first off bent has gone to fulham, defoe is not good enough, everybody moans about kones age, but defoe is older.before anybody mentions his ability to score think about a few things he will not leave london regardless of the world cup and he is overrated, anyone wonder why spurs still wanted a striker and still played adebayor before him eve. though defoe is a clinical amazing striker according to youse, he has an attitude and is very greedy, a mate of mine was at charlton and said he was full of himself, why don't you people get it he is not joining and that is the end of it so wake up, ) martinez needs time so give him it and get these 20m plus .ani, kagawa or hernandez for fellaini things out your head

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That must have been B.H. u are referring to mate. know him myself. all that aside the rumours are that we are going after some guy Indus, McCarthy and that FB from chelski. can't remember his name. no rumour about a fwd which is disheartening.jcl

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31 Aug 2013 23:43:09
if baines and fellaini go we have lined up mccarthy bruno martin indi CB/LB and ryan bertrand according to a quite a few sources

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Think Bertrand would be a very good replacement

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31 Aug 2013 22:51:18
Hope we sign mccarthy ince barry think baines will stay fellani will leave maybe victor aswell and hopefully bring in a striker maybe demba ba or someone like that

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31 Aug 2013 22:49:20
So 3 games in and only 3 points, but potentially 6 points behind already, be realistic people based on the perfomances so far we'll be lucky to finish in the top ten, get used to it, because we're not good enough to be up there, so disappointing so early in the season, I said from the start Martinez isn't what we needed and I stick by that, and were stuck with him now. Although the team may have had more possession in the game there isn't anyone to finish off the moves. Watch as we sink lower down the league as the newcomers and usual bottom end teams climb above us. Championship football beckons.

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31 Aug 2013 23:04:00
Jesus if it's not bad enough living under a Conservative Government, huge depression etc, come on lad, three games? Let's see what happens Monday and fair enough if Baines/Felli go and we bring in Sh*** on loan I will meet you at Pier Head with concrete boots for the pair of us!
Now go to the fridge, get a beer and bloody cheer up!

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It could be worse we could be under labour and just keep ploughing us further into debt let's also get kenwright out and milaband in kenwright gives to banks and labour take from banks

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31 Aug 2013 22:46:57
Wtf kone.a we need to ditch and jelly out and loan gv velleois spelling and gv big vic a go
So get rid of felli and buy mc carthy Barry on loan we also need a striker ie Defoe / bent and another mid /striker

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Give big vic a go.he averages 3 goals a season.fact.

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And bents gone to Fulham, do you have any knowledge

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31 Aug 2013 22:36:27
Ok 3 draws and 3 pts not what we were hoping for but at least we are only 3pts away from Champs League spot at moment.
To be fair to Martinez he will have been very aware of the fears many of us had before his arrival in that he advocated at Wigan an attacking, stylish football approach that leaked goals like a dodgy water bed!
So he's starting from the back and yes at the moment it's bloody awful. but we are not leaking goals.
Next step will to allow certain players (Barca lad/Mirellas to attack without the fear of losing the ball and having to get back to defend (Moyes legacy).
He must know, as we all do that we must bring in a striker (or strikers) Kone is not the answer but (for us older ones) can you remember Howard Kendalls famous 5 signings (Alan Biley etc) who were a disaster!
I'm sticking with him and I was a 'VP wanter'!

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Can you tell me how many minutes has kone played for us. and your saying he, s not the answer. and your tailking about kendalls signings.i can name signings alex ferguson made who were disasters.and he is the greatest manager in english football history.so don't be silly and get behind the team.

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Lineker was terrible at first, missed chance after chance.

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31 Aug 2013 22:32:16
My beloved Everton need a predatory craftsman in he 18yd area. Let him be strong and fearless because 1 goal in 25 premier outings makes our current Nr 9 less than acceptable. He needs help, so who's put there to put an end to this impasse.

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Jelavic is no 7 not 9 that's kone and he has only played about half hour for us

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31 Aug 2013 22:02:53
Barkley false nine?

Gibson----------Felliani
Piennar
Delefou---Barkley---Mirallas

Strikers can't score and if we're going to try and pass the other team into submission this is the best team to do it

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31 Aug 2013 22:40:02
or play Mirallas the star striker in this formation:

Gibson Barkley Fellaini

Deulefeu Mirallas Pienaar
CraigHuytonBlue {Ed025's Note - he will have to look a lot more arsed than he did today though craig mate..

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31 Aug 2013 23:59:00
agreed ed, the transfer window will be closed by next week. Think his best mate fellaini's head being turned by man u has had an impact on him too. Hope we get a result soon and more importantly a goal scoring forward. CraigHuytonBlue

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31 Aug 2013 22:01:01
Ed, u been saying for weeks we will get a marquee signing, now u say probably not,
I think u just saying rumours like the rest, u either r in the know or not?
Further the baines/Fellini sales, bk should have the balls to say either 50 mil or 25 mil plus Rooney, u have 1 hour or do one
Fellini price will only increase due to World Cup next year
Baines cost us 6.5 mil, so even if he was to stay and leave next season or on a free in 2 years we have lost nothing, had plenty of years of good service

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Where does dear ed025 say there will be no marquee signing?

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31 Aug 2013 21:55:21
Hey ed. Is there any chance of getting a striker. We have to get one. We had a hatful of chances and converted none. It is so obvious. Why wasn't someone like Anichebe put on, he might not be the greatest but he is a passionate blue striker. Please BK dig deep and get us a striker. {Ed025's Note - i think vic is injured emerald, and i just hope bobby has not thought kone will solve our striker problem, and is looking to bring a good front man in..

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31 Aug 2013 21:43:50
Got to say il be a bit gutted if the reds get Moses on loan, mirrales not firing, Moses could be what we need!

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31 Aug 2013 21:22:27
Another good performance from the boys today without the just rewards. At some point we are going to a few past someone.

For me the problem isn't the strikers it's the quality of the ball in the box. If we are having the ball so much and playing around the edge of the opponents box then we need to be getting to the by-line instead of crossing from deeper positions.

If you look at the good stuff from Stevenage Duelofue hit it most of the time and it created the best chances. So Baines and Peinaar needs to do this from the left more often.

Apart from that, special mention for Barkley again who looks un-ber-liveable.

Don't worry boys it will click.

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31 Aug 2013 21:09:28
I fear we need to bring in a decent striker or it could be a very, very long season.

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31 Aug 2013 21:05:33
I know that all the names of players we have been linked with over the last month or so are mainly generated by the Press&Media etc. but surely we must have been showing some intent of buying 1 or 2 of them. but they've all been signed by other clubs now, so what the hell are Everton playing at? We still must have the money from last January which was supposed to be buying Fer & Negredo, added to the TV Money and money from the Prem for the position we finished in last season. so just who are we going to sign. or not!! Surely James McCarthy is not it, no way is he on a par with Fellaini, but I would buy him to replace Osman now, because he has bundles of stamina etc. Listening to Sharp today on the radio and also last week against West Brom. the strikers we have are not good enough so we desparately need someone of note (not potential) in NOW! We should have gone and put the required transfer fee down for Christian Ericksen from Ajax and also his teamate Alderweirald. instead we just wait. If we lose Fellaini and Baines at the close of the window, or even just one of them, then we will struggle even more than now and it doesn't bear thinking about what Chelsea will do to us next home game. Martinez. there is an old saying which often applies, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"! Could have just took the job and actually added some quality signings without wholesale changes to the style of play. We have 3 points from 3 games which we should have WON. and right away we are playing catch up from 15th place in the table, with Chelsea to come. James McCarthy is NOT the answer.
Always a Blue
Street End Boy

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FFS, we didn't have money for Fer or Negredo in January. Do you really think Fer had/has a dodgy knee? He played the rest of the season and in the u 20s tournament, we didn't have the money. Same with Negredo- phantom bids, to make it appear we were trying to do something.
We were in with a real chance of top 4 in January and we didn't strengthen because we DIDN'T have any money.

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31 Aug 2013 20:47:23
I hope I don't get slated for saying this but I have a friend who is a red nose & he reckons we need to be patient with Martinez as Liverpool did exactly the same last season with their management change & change of possession style football which meant they initially drew too many of their games which they should of won after dominating the possession stakes & not converting their chances. It is only after learning to be more clinical in the final third (which involved signing the right players going forward ie- Sturridge) that they are starting to see the real fruits 1 season on, yes 1 season on lads. let's just be patient then & give Martinez a chance, there are good signs to build on & with 2 or 3 quality signings we could be purring by the end of the season. Obviously, if we finish close to the relegation places, questions will have to be asked but I really don't think that will happen - what you reckon ed?
Luke shaw, Barry, McCarthy, Moses & hosener will do for me. {Ed025's Note - just moses and Mcarthy would do for me zacki..

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Zacki the best post I've read in ages mate, give roberto time and we will have a team to be proud of. but it will not happen overnight.to all the true blues out there PLEASE GIVE RM 110% SUPPORT.he will give us a team to be proud of.THANKS.

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I think you'll find there is a gulf in spending between us and them

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Good post Zacki you make a lot of sense. We do need to give it time and if nothing else we are still unbeaten. The doom merchants prophecies of us leaking goals has not happened, there is work needed in the final 3rd and I for one believe it will come good, although that said I would like to see a couple of signings too and of your list McCarthy, Moses and maybe Barry as cover would do for me. With the choice of Deulofeu, Mirallas or Moses to play alongside Barkley. With a choice of Felli, Gibson, McCarthy or Barry as holding mid's we should rip teams apart. Providing of course we are allocated a few Ref's who actually know how the game works for a few matches, and that the dithering one does not manage to rip the heart out of team in the next 48 hours!

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I agree tbh. This isn't exactly a new thing that has suddenly came with Martinez style of footy; we've lacked a cutting edge/predatory striker for God knows how long. We've never really been a team that shoots on site under Moyes and probably won't be under Martinez. We do need a top striker and I think that given Kone had a poor pre-season (which I'm putting down to Ramadan) we should be slightly patient with him. Jelavic looks lost out there with a touch of an elephant. I think we need to look slightly positively and take the fact that we've had two clean sheets as a positive and just be patient with Martinez

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I agree we haven't won away in a long time why expect a sudden change with largely the same players.

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I tend to agree but are we really playing that much different from last year, in my eyes its all the same players doing all the same things, I think were we have let ourselves down is with a striker, it was obvious last year we needed a good striker yet we bought victors dad

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31 Aug 2013 20:46:04
I don't care what 11 start next week, but in the way our style and set up is. WE HAVE TO BE MORE POSITIVE AND CLINACLE . Chelsea won't need to be asked twice. I just don't see how we can break sides down playing like this. IT IS BORING TO WATCH, it really is. When we get corners and set plays, having two in the box . wtf is all that about, yes defensively we look ok. but are we turning into a stoke city, from pulis days? Anyone know how long it is since jelavic found the net in a league/cup match?

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The football we're playing is only boring to uneducated fans

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Stop kidding yourself this is interesting football at least we put teams under pressure and on the back foot under moyes. This is just possession for possessions sake.
Quinny

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Haha, only boring to uneducated fans? 30 passes round the back is a bit pointless when you can get it forward with 1 or 2 crisp, incisive passes.
The problem with passing it around the back for no apparent reason is when you do get to the final third, the opposition has time to have a cup of tea and a Jaffa cake and still get 10 men behind the ball.
It's totally ineffective, passing for passings sake when you don't have the quality to thread the final pass through or strikers who will stay inside for long enough.
Oh, and congratulations on the most ridiculous comment I've read on here, that really takes the cake.

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If you want to watch a team that gets the ball forward with just one or two passes then I suggest you should start supporting our opponents today Cardiff.

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31 Aug 2013 22:56:09
I'm pretty sure Barca take more than 2 passes to get the ball to the final 3rd? We are a working progress and this type of football takes time to gel. Give the guys a break, I predict we will go on a surge after Christmas unbeaten and see a massive upturn in our league position (as the Red Shoite did last season when they were getting used to brenda's style - which incidentally is now very similar to ours and Swanseas) the problem we have at present is clinical finishing. we are creating the chances. The barca lad is a must starter for me on right wing with the performances he has put in, can't see why he only got 7 minutes to impress today, but created a fantastic chance across the 6 yard box and kone was scratching his head on the penalty spot with 2 players infront of him? Team to play Chelsea
Howard
Coleman Jags Distan Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Barkley
Delefeou Mirallas Pienaar
CraigHuytonBlue

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Note the term 'you CAN get it forward' instead of fussing around doing precisely nothing effective

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31 Aug 2013 20:34:08
Carrying on from my other post! If we get 50 million for the both of them then we can get a 15/20 million pound striker a defensive midfielder (10 mill) attacking midfielder (15 mill) and maybe a left back, use whatever money we already had for agents fees etc.

Howard
Coleman jags distin Oviedo
Mirallas Gibson CAM pienaar/Gerard
Barkley
New striker

Still possible if they go for less but the quality of player bought in would suffer!

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31 Aug 2013 20:25:56
Everyone was saying few weeks ago we need midfielders and central defenders I been saying for 2 years we need a goalscorer nothing changed give me a decent striker who can put ball in the net on Monday and that's all I want surely our squad is big enough to cope with the domestic competitions everyone keeps going on about back up for him or someone else

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31 Aug 2013 20:25:35
Bk needs to tell its that our players are not for sale so no bid will get them or tell them we want 50 mill for the pair and you have until tomorrow lunchtime to make the offer or the price is doubled! Play hardball utd and moyes both treated us like crap with the way he was appointed don't you dare do them any favours bk!

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31 Aug 2013 19:54:20
For F sake! We need a striker who knows where thenfriggin goal is .

Defoe anyone?

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Ed, your saying defoe staying in london .apart from arsenal. (cant see this happening)were else could he end up in london. {Ed025's Note - QPR, fulham, palace, etc....take your pick..

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I'd be all over that if I was Martinez

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What about Brentford. Leyton Orient, Millwall because that's about his level, most over rated player in prem after Steven Gerrard, and definitely not swap him for any one of your strikers (in the under 12's)

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31 Aug 2013 19:25:16
Some may disagree but piennar is our problem at the moment. Every time the ball gets to him he slows down play. Get the ball in the box! And quick!.

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I disagree the problem for me was Barkly not releasing the ball 3 times today he could of slipped it through around the 18 yard box when players ran in behind the cardiff defence but decided to try beat a player and shoot they done it once and nearly scored i'm not having a go at young Ross I think he is a excellent player but I think Bobby needs to work on it in training with him.

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Got to b having a laugh mate osman has made a career out of that open your eyes. Yes pienaar has been poor but osman is always awful.

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Barkley is the big plus at start of season considering he was loaned out and squad player last season he is the one we look to now

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31 Aug 2013 23:04:09
ross has been our most forward thinking player since the 2013-14 season started, osman I have been a fan of for a few years, but the legs are well and truly gone, pienaar looks to run out of ideas if a player even so much as tracks him back. got to start the barca kid, his creative flair could unlock this team to its full potential. CraigHuytonBlue

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31 Aug 2013 19:12:27
People getting all worried over McCarthy; I do not want him and I will be very annoyed if we get him, but I can tell you one thing, he is far better than Fellaini.

The man is undoubtedly the WORST defensive midfielder I have ever seen. People constantly call his work rate into question, which is unfair, because he almost always works hard, but he has no idea what he's doing. He runs around a lot, getting completely out of position. Is far too complacent on the ball and so gives it away all the time and is so inept at tackling it is cringeworthy. He just clatters into people. If we had actually bought Capoue (I don't care if he was a 'moyes target' or if we were never actually interested in him, he would have been perfect) we would probably have won at least two games. We could go forward and attack, knowing that he could mop it up if we gave it away, rather than being tentative and hesitant, scared we will concede if we shoot. If they offer anything over £20m for him, we should take it and make sure negotiations are quick so we have time to bring in a new midfielder and a real striker.

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So he is better than Fellaini and you don't want him . confused blue wtf.

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Would like to say that I said Fellaini was not worth the price tag being put on him a few weeks ago and AB1878 shot me down claiming (falsely) that I didn't go to the games so this is fairly contradictory. He's still a talented midfielder and we're a much better side with him so your comment was fairly harsh. i'd also like to know how many times you've seen capoue play to know we would've won at least two games.

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Stef, he is better as a defensive midfielder, but that doesn't make him a good one. The toffee lady would probably be a better defensive mid. As a normal central midfielder, as he is, he is a good player, but we can't keep buying Wigan players. We'll become a laughing stock if we get another one.

Haz, I'm a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong. I still maintain that as an attacking midfielder/ second striker, he is worth the money, but in the role we're employing him, he is worth far less than we want, as you said. I genuinely believe we would be better without.

And It's impossible to put a precise number of games, but I've seen quite a lot of Toulouse games over the last two seasons and read countless reports and articles about him, as well as seeing his performances for Tottenham so far and can confidently say he has what we need, or at least one of the many things we need.

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31 Aug 2013 18:43:52
Martinez is on OS saying we will be stronger come the end of the transfer deadline on Monday. I hope that includes a striker, from what I have heard we created chances again and played well but couldn't convert any.

Even though our start isn't the most fruitful points wise we are undefeated, I take that as a big plus point and if we do indeed sign some good players we ill be in a good position come may next year.

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31 Aug 2013 17:56:57
Ed, what's going on with Defoe? Isn't he the perfect fit? {Ed025's Note - cant see him leaving london to be honest avit..

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Looks to be surpluses to requirements, money talks and I'm sure he'd be desperate to get back in the England squad.

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31 Aug 2013 18:15:15
60+% possession in two out of two away games. Two clean sheets in the last two games, and robbed of three points by a very substandard referee. Come on lads, keep the faith. There's definitely something to build on there. Yes we need a striker that can put the ball in the net and let's hope they address that in the next 48hrs.

Chin up boys, we've outplayed the three teams put before us so far and with a bit of luck and some decent refereeing 3 points could easily have been nine.

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I'm with you there Martin
Charlieblue

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I see your point however our next game is Chelsea, and that could well result in bring 3 points from a possible 12, they have what we don't - strikers that can score.

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Martin spot on mate.all these doom and gloom merchants.playing some nice stuff.alot of these clowns on here would love to see a tony pulis type manager.kick it up and get stuck in.

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Couldn't agree more mate, good post.

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We've outplayed three teams we could have outplayed last year, only difference is we would have been shooting more.

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When we play Chelsea next at least they won't park the bus which I believe will work in our favour.

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Yea we might ov outplayed them but we've not won so it means nothin u av to score to win and we aren't doing that need a stricter quick

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31 Aug 2013 18:11:15
I normally can take the positives from a match but the last 3 games have all been carbon copies of each other we r going to find it hard to break down teams but the manager has to be able to change the shape if the team with 30 mins to go if things are not going our way! We have some quality players we just need to use them in the right way mirallas is playing to wide whenever he is at his best he comes more central pienaar is a shadow of his former self Leon osman IMO is not good enough to play and is keeping out some great potential on the bench ie Gerard! The manager should pick the best players we have and then find a system that suits them not the other way round! If we loose fellaini and bains I fear for this season . I hope we have players in mind and ready to sign and I Dnt just mean players to make up numbers but quality players I think we need a striker 2 cm if we loose fella another winger and a left back only if baines leaves! Some how Dnt see us getting more than 2 players in and that will depend on our best 2 leaving . Hope 5 games down the line things are looking brighter sorry can't sign in for some reason!

EFCEVO

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31 Aug 2013 18:06:03
We need a striker like hernandez or defoe, someone who always manages to score. And still short in midfield, ossie just isn't upto scratch

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About time please get on to how little impacked leon is now having on games.

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What we really need, besides a goalscorer, is a narky, big mouthed nasty b*$tard, someone who'll speak their mind, get in the ref's face and drive the team on when we, or certain individuals, are not performing, a real character.
Someone like Roy Keane, a Joey Barton (not necessarily him).
We're just too nice a team, and sometimes a bit of nasty can make a difference.

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31 Aug 2013 22:47:37
Yes, liked that post!

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31 Aug 2013 18:01:53
just some stats from todays game= Total Shots (including blocked shots) Everton 13 Cardiff 4, Shots on target 3 to 1, Blocked Shots 5 to 0, Shots from outside the box 7 to 4, Shots from inside the box 6 to 0, Shot Accuracy (excluding blocked shots) 37% to Everton, 25% to Cardiff.

Verdict: we can't hit a barn door.

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31 Aug 2013 23:31:25
learn from the stats. before game, get your keeper in goal, your defenders in front of him and play practice matches forward players vs defense.
Howard
Coleman Jags Distan Baines
Fellaini

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Gibson Barkley
Delefoeu Jelavic/Mirallas Pienaar.

Instead of running up and down the touch line checking if the guys are fit. Of course they are fit, they are prem players. warm up should practice what u intend to do in the match. We should be playing 5 v 5 passing around in small area to test 1 touch football practice, followed by half pitch forwards vs defense match, finishing with strikers just outside the box taking shots against the keeper, then the warm up of running and stretching

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31 Aug 2013 17:57:01
Everybody agrees that we need a striker. A huge investment in this area is needed. Jackson Martinez would be amazing. This is unlikely, but if we sell Baines and Fellaini, why not? I know it is nearing the end of the window but sometimes late bids do succeed. J.Martinez, is quick, fast, strong and a good finisher.

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31 Aug 2013 17:50:34
Just watched ince's run at goal and do what none of our strikers can do.

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31 Aug 2013 18:42:48
Well billy kenwright listern here, don't even think about cashing in on our two prize assets, three games in and we are nbeaten, all we need is you and your mates to sanction spending some of that sky money you've got on a quality striker who knows how to bloody score. Selling two of our best players is like pulling the carpet out from under our new managers feet, he promises champions league and I am guessing you are just seeing the pound signs! Give all us fans a boost and tell the mancs to do one and back your manager to the hilt and get hum a goal scorer and keep the squad together.

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31 Aug 2013 17:46:33
We seriously need a striker now . if Barry coming then that's the midfield sorted with Gibbo . spend lots on a quality striker and we ready . Markyg

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31 Aug 2013 17:41:05
This transfer window is a disaster, we have bought a striker in Kone who couldn't hit a barn door, Alcaraz who won't see a first team game all season, Joel a second choice keeper and Deloufeu who yes looks class but won't get too much game time. We are going to lose our two best players and to fill the huge gap we will make a 'marquee signing' in James McCarthy an overrated Wigan midfielder or Gareth Barry who runs like he is treading water! What a complete joke. We NEED a goal scorer and we need one now!

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31 Aug 2013 17:39:26
A lot of people are moaning about ince but he does one thing that we don't and that is score goals so I say get him only improving on what we have

Wasy

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Yeah but that's the championship he scores goals in, the premiership is a big step up that a lot of lower league players struggle in, but only time will tell.

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It may well be the Championship, but we struggled to beat Stevenage Wednesday night, so not much difference in it

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Er! Stevenage are in league 1, so there is a little bit of difference.

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31 Aug 2013 17:36:31
Two goalless draws, think we need a decent goalscorer before window shuts or it could turn into a hard season. RaytheToffee {Ed025's Note - i think we can all see that ray mate..

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Not been tried at prem level but i'd go for jordan rhodes.he knows how to put ball in the net.with the wingers and fullbacks we have that can deliver into the box he will get on the end of it.rhodes is a natural goalscorer. {Ed025's Note - zandra rhodes would be an improvement..

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31 Aug 2013 17:32:09
I've said it before we need 4 more players in I know its not easy to bring in 4 players in with limited budget but we defo need a striker(defoe, ba, torres, lukaku, adebayor) could be looking for a move.we also need 2 more midfielders attacking+holding and maybe 1 more defender

Bit of good news we are still unbeaten and 2 clean sheets, keep the faith and together as a club we will get are 1st win v chelsea and we will kick on from there.

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31 Aug 2013 17:20:14
This is looking a bit worrying need a striker before midfielder, 3 points and a win needed ASAP or we will be stuck waiting and nervous for the win.

Jc

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31 Aug 2013 17:14:31
Deulofeu must be thinking "wtf have I come here for"?
Came on for last 10 mins, he must have been looking at Osman & Pienaar and thought "I'm better than them" and then he must looked at Jelavic and just had a chuckle to himself.
If your going to give the kid a go and see what he's got then play him from the start, at least that way you can drag him off if it goes wrong, 10 mins is a joke, he'll be crying to his dad later saying "Get me the f out of here" and who could blame him?

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Totally agree, if he's good enough he's old enough! Just one problem, it's no good having a top class winger putting superb balls into box- we need someone to get on the end of them!

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5 mins he got I thought moyes was negative. we badly need a goal scorer, kone isn't the answer.ww have to show ambition and shop at the higher end of the market instead of 6 mil players for the teams most importent player .tom efc

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31 Aug 2013 17:13:20
Very frustrating, a more attacking team with absolutely no conviction. Don't even think about selling our best players Bill, get out your cheque book and throw a few mill in for investing and building the team. It's called an investment because it will pay off in the long run, understand you have to spend money to make money and it doesn't happen over night. There's no way we can compete if you don't with all average teams around us spending two/ three times what we are. These next few days are going to be painful, I hope they don't spell the down fall for Everton for what should be a new era riddled with silverware and european competition year on year! COYB NSNO

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31 Aug 2013 17:12:58
Another drab result! Not like everyone can't see we need a striker! So frustrating!

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31 Aug 2013 17:12:04
not sure if my last post worked so I just want to say I am a very worried blue and can't see this being a great season, very worried blue here, I watch today and we was very poor, I just can't see where the goals are going to come from, I think we need a new striker, and I think felli is off and if he does and our only replacement is mcarthy then I am very worried, and think its a massive mistake.

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If you where to sum up your emotional state with one word, what'd it be? Very _____.

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31 Aug 2013 17:09:55
Is it bad that I think we miss Anichebe? Actually don't answer that because yes it is!

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31 Aug 2013 17:06:31
I dunno what to think, I am a very worried blue ill tell you that, we a lagging behind every1 and I don't see us getting anywhere this season, very poor again today where are the goals going to come from? we need to sign a striker and tbh I can see felli going which is a worry if our only replacement is mcarthy. what u think ed? {Ed025's Note - your right..

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Yeh get Mark Hughes in and let's play like Stoke, they're off to a flyer and are CL certs.

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31 Aug 2013 17:08:40
We defo need a striker and yet not been linked with any

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31 Aug 2013 17:08:28
Absolutely dreadful yet again with no cutting edge to find the net, sort it Roberto. {Ed025's Note - toothless tigers mike..

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31 Aug 2013 17:08:23
another drew ffs yes I know it a new tatics but come on we have play norwich, wba, and cardiff not really tops side but we still can't win a game


WE NEED A STIKER THAT CAN SCORE GOALS


BRING BACK WAYNE ROONEY

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31 Aug 2013 17:08:02
If Fellaini is to go, then why are people happy to sign McCarthy as a replacement? He isn't as good as Marouane, therefore the squad would become weaker. Need to be looking at players that are just as influential, if not more, in order for the team to improve and aim towards that next level.

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31 Aug 2013 17:04:52
We just can't put that ball into the goal. We control games very well and are still very difficult to beat, we just can't finish moves off. Fellaini playing off the striker, Barry in to take his deep midfield role, Barkley playing next to Barry and either Anichibe playing up front or a new striker in. For me time has run out for jela. Kone still needs time. But if we can't get a better goal scorer Anichibe is the one for me, he will link up the attack and can hold the ball up in the box. Jela is useless! I am not surpised. It's nothing really to do with martinez, apart from the threat fellaini poses, Moyes had the same issue(apart from the first 6 months with jela) a CM, a winger, and a striker. **** McCarthy, we can control games well, we need to spend money on a striker.

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31 Aug 2013 17:04:39
If Anichebe not injured then on this showing how is he not playing before jelavic kone or mirallas

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31 Aug 2013 17:04:29
Sorry boys but not good enough again!
Couldn't of asked for an easier start to the season yet still no win
Could of played for 5 hours today and would still not looked like scoring.
Gareth Barry is not going to help that!

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31 Aug 2013 17:04:28
Same ole again & again! 60+ percent possession & no goals! People going on about us needing midfielder. I would say a striker a definite priority! {Ed025's Note - your right..

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31 Aug 2013 17:03:32
Please tell me we have another striker lined up Ed. {Ed025's Note - im not very religeous...but im praying for moses..

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31 Aug 2013 17:03:31
Is the glass half empty or half full?
Good point away against team that beat City last week or 3 games played=3 points x38 games=38 points!
You decide!

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31 Aug 2013 17:02:40
Reading these comments I really hate modern football fans you really are clueless beauts!

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And you are who exactly, Pep Guardiola?

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Maybe someone should inform the op football is subjective?! It's all about opinions and interpretation, but clearly you are vastly superior to all and your football knowledge vast like an ocean. Are you the arbiter?

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31 Aug 2013 16:59:03
we seem to be too nice, too much respect for the opposition. no one wants to charge forward and take players on instead turn and play passes sideways or backwards, looks like there scared of losing possesion. Jelavic isn't the answer and when kone is in the box when crosses are coming in he always in the wrong starting position. overall the referee was piss poor today let's hope he gets marked down for the game and demoted to a lower league.

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31 Aug 2013 17:03:14
I saw they want to do Johnny.But seem they loss of confidence as well.All decision became wrong.

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Everyone was concerned about RM defensively, well so far its looked far better than under DM.

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After the mid week game against stevenage I was screaming for Gerard Deulofeu to come on with Twenty minutes left not five. he had a great game midweek and that's what we needed someone like him to attack there back four.

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31 Aug 2013 16:58:13
woefull today again. we need replacements all over the pitch. osman pienaar and jelly were awfull but they all start cause we've got nothing better. somethings got to change or it'll be the championship for us next season

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Unbeaten.if we had beaten WBA last week it would looked totally diffrent. negativity is unreal.

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Iam wrong to say ross is trying to hard. as apart from tidy passers ozzie legs seem to have gone.

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What game did you watch Pienaar had his best game in a while, our worst performer was Mirallas he couldn't do right for doing wrong. the defence looks solid better than under DM. We are creating proper football chances and not just relying on set-pieces.

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31 Aug 2013 16:57:32
Odds on Martinez coming out at the end of the game and saying 'We can take a few positives from this game.' 'sigh' early Christmas present: signing a striker that looks hungry for goals

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31 Aug 2013 16:57:00
we need another striker asap, 3 games and a striker yet to score Embarresed is an under statement GarstonBlue

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31 Aug 2013 16:56:39
We should just play a formation of 4-6-0 because we don't have a striker! Shouldn't this be our priority? If you don't score you don't win. {Ed025's Note - i agree mate...

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31 Aug 2013 17:04:58
Wondering why all rumour no striker.

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31 Aug 2013 16:55:25
i have got to say this is poor. am not usually negative but I see a pattern here similar to wigan last year am sry to say.

we need at least 3 player another winger a stiker and creative mid, we have no edge at all

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I don't it was unlike Wigan to be unbeaten and only 2 goals conceded after 3 games tell me again what's similar to Wigan

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31 Aug 2013 16:55:24
irish blue
looks like it's going to be a long season
we badly need a striker
jelli and kone are not up to it {Ed025's Note - your right irish..

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31 Aug 2013 16:54:47
if martinez doesn't buy a forward he should be sacked fed up watchin this crap

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31 Aug 2013 16:53:38
thank god we have barry - osman was rubbish today {Ed025's Note - not the worst for me though..

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We have barry?

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31 Aug 2013 16:49:52
I have to admit it I was wrong about martinez. poor choice as manager.

Andy

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Me too mate

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31 Aug 2013 17:00:41
Don't know I saw school team? No dynamic tempo look smoothy football no scoring inspiration.Suspect the situation of our player in smoke screen after window shut.Hope can see better team Bobby.

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31 Aug 2013 16:45:44
seriously don't see felli as being a massive loss if he goes

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31 Aug 2013 16:41:43
If Baines and fella go it looks like we will be needing a left back, 2 centre mids, a winger and a striker (hopefully) Bobs going to have a busy week {Ed025's Note - just a striker clarkey...sell our 4 duds for i good one..

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31 Aug 2013 16:36:06
We are playing rubbish football this season not good at all

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If we were playing rubbish then we would of lost, not draw so you're talking stupid

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What! Need a bloody striker mate! Chances are being made, controlling games. Just don't have someone to put the ball in the ne. If Felli goes should get Hernandez as part of the deal. Sod the money.

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31 Aug 2013 16:00:26
irish blue
that ref should be wearing red
he's a disgrace. blatant homer. hope we change osman and jelli at half time {Ed025's Note - i hope we change the ref irish!..

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Irish blue
nice one ed

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31 Aug 2013 16:00:09
Some victorian witch mustve put a curse on us, we just Never seem to get any luck, I would call the ref � joke but its not funny anymore

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31 Aug 2013 15:50:42
the ref is a joke, is he welsh by anychance? {Ed025's Note - bleedin cheat if you ask me mate!!..

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Think he has backed cardiff on hid coupon

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31 Aug 2013 15:24:52
It looks like we have yet another bunch of officials from the Monty Python School of Football Referee's and Linesmen. It's getting beyond a joke now. {Ed025's Note - i know mate..2 stonewall pens!!...they are friggin killing us wtg..

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31 Aug 2013 14:50:42
How come Osman keeps getting picked ed? something fishy about all this. {Ed025's Note - hes done quite well today mate..

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We have no other choices.

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31 Aug 2013 13:56:55
There is a lot of "fans" on here who must think that Rome was built in a day. Things take time especially when it is a complete transformation. So why don't you get of RM back and go back to your armchairs where you have probably only ever watched football from.
Sorry if that has upset some of you but it gets tiring reading the same old negative dribble that gets posted on here.

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So you can't have an opinion if you don't go to the game, or people going to the game every week, their opinion is more valid? Or you can't be negative if you don't go the game or you can be more negative if you do go to the game.
Sorry, but what you say is gibberish nonsense, waffle waffle. I had a season ticket for 25 years but give it up because I was fed up of moyes's football and kenwright dragging out club down. Now I live abroad and can't get the game, so I don't get to have an opinion negative or positive?

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Didn't build Rome with paper and sellotape either, i.e signing Kone.

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31 Aug 2013 14:15:18
Osman in again. What does he have to do to get benched, kill someone? Looks like he'll have a stormer after I've said this, Sod's law and all the waffle. COYB

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31 Aug 2013 14:09:37
Just thinking by loosing Baines it's impossible to replace him so whoever we get it weakens the team. getting a bit worried the clock seems to be going fast.

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31 Aug 2013 13:38:41
If Fellaini leaves I would love us to bring Jack Rodwell back home, don't think he really wanted to leave anyway, we just got a bid we couldn't turn down.
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31 Aug 2013 12:54:00
Its discusting this we know 2 players are going to leave before monday and what av we done? NOHING We should have hadthe same aapproach as spursget others in then play hard to get its wrong for Everton to do this and I hope when he announces mcarty he doesn't expect people to be happy with I

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31 Aug 2013 12:51:05
I think that with the strength of the academy at the moment we are looking at having a Core of young players in a few years, just think of Lundstram, Barkley, Stones, Garbutt, Coleman, Kennedy, George Green and maybe a few others, we have the potential to be a great side in the future

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But is it too much to expect something now

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Not if we keep selling. tom efc

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31 Aug 2013 12:50:47
Just thinking promising utilitypossible signing if James Mccarthy and all thr negativity. Reminds me of when we were close to signing Gibson, loads of negativity, now everyone constantly goes on about how mich ee miss him!

JC is a very primising young player, if we sign him, I'll give it 2weeks before Goodison is chanting his name!

DiscoDave {Ed007's Note - James McCarthy will be a fantastic player for Everton. I have been speaking about him on the Man Utd site for a couple of years after watching him as a youngster coming through the ranks at Hamilton Accies.}

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31 Aug 2013 12:21:46
So we have the option to take del for a second season. Gett innn

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31 Aug 2013 11:41:51
To the negative fans, We have drew two games in which we controlled and made more chances. yes there are things to work on, but there always is. Look at how many Moyes drew last season, look at the season starts. fans are being way too quick to criticise.

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Fellaini and Baines start today against Cardiff.

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31 Aug 2013 11:35:07
Ed,
Feli not in team today, I am realy disappointed.
All eyes turn to wigans teamsheet now I suppose.
McCarthy won't be in their''s either.

jon b

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Er, according to Sky he's playing.

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That's funny as he is starting crap rumour

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Well mate team sheets out and he is and so his baines

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31 Aug 2013 11:26:56
If we scored even half of the chances we have created then not only would we be top of the league but also goal difference would be huge, (ifs and buts)
We really need one of our strikers to sort it out! I would even consider sticking mirallas up top, wasnt he a striker before he came to us? Or at least play him off jelavic!
Howard
Coleman jags distin baines
Gerard Osman felliani pienaar
Mirallas
Jelavic

Ideally would have Gibson instead of Osman, whether big wig stays or goes we definately need more central midfielders, McCarthy would be a good addition to play alongside felly but certainly not as a replacement, let's see how things pan out, going to be an interesting couple of days!

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I'd rather we stuck Heitinga in, in place of Ossie, he's been piss weak since his England call up. I'd like to see Howard, Coleman, Jags, Distin, Baines; Heitinga, Fellaini; Mirallas, Barkley, Deulofeu; Jelavic. Tough game today though, the bluebirds will be up for it after last week's performance.

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31 Aug 2013 11:20:46
To be honest, I would be estatic if we just got three loan deals for now: Barry, Moses, and Ba/Torres. We could get Barry on a free the year after, Moses for about 8m the year after and then we would need to purchase a striker next year. Three quality players. I would like it if we purchased McCarthy aswell but that would dreaming a bit too much.

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31 Aug 2013 09:56:36
Well guys this weekend could be the make or break of everton. I have said all summer deals will be done very last day and replacements will be crap to average players & u all told me I was being negative! Well I hope to god your still telling me this come Monday because I can't see it somehow!

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If you put your name on your posts we'd know if you had written those views earlier.
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31 Aug 2013 09:13:45
where all saying keep baines and felli. how can we the best supporters in the land bar none realy angle to keep bainesy.this is his very last chance to move and play champions league football.and maybe challenge for the league.he is one of us yes one of us a lad of the streets of kirkby.lets hope we get the right money and give him our blesings to move. he has never been anthing but a model pro.yes I know he is our best player but let's give him a great send off today. (if he does go). felli his dad (agent) has been wanting him to move on for ages.always talk of him going.his he going his he not.always choppy waters during the transfer window.get the right money and move on and hope RM has set his sights high and we don't get caught sort in this window.we have to trust him.

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Fine wanting baines to move on and fellaini, but what are we left with, and by the looks of possible signing, there is nothing to get excited about. Going to be a long season under Martinez. Only got to look at the last few games, sad.
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I'm not really bothered about a millionaires ambitions, I'm about as bothered about Leighton's personal ambitions as he is about mine.

What I want to see is my team at full strength to achieve the ambitions of EFC for the club and supporters. "The best supporters in the land" do not want to see the club risk mediocrity yet again due to the personal agendas and ambitions of individual players.

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31 Aug 2013 08:49:36
As I said here 2 months ago Fellaini is gone fee is 25m which could rise to 30m with trophies won apppearances etc etc.McCarthy deal is also a done deal he said as much to Seamus Coleman when the Republic were on International duty.Baines situation is a little more unclear, Martinez has told bk that he wants him to stay but also understands that he will lose him for less next season.If the bid reaches 20m he is gone.We are looking to bring Barry in but City want us to pick up 80k of his wages that are 120k, not likely to happen unless they go at least 50/50.Ince is a non runner also Martinez looking at the continent for a better and cheaper alternative.I have also been told that we are have been offered Matri or Quagliarella from Juve, Matri fee is a problem as is Quagliarella's age.Also understand that Izaguerre the Celtic left back deal was agreed but no longer an option since Celtic have qualified for champions league.Not a bit of lies in here folks, just figured I would share.Know a couple of the lads.Oh an Shane Duffy will go on loan again to either Sheff Utd or Tranmere.

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Matri's gone to Milann

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Matri has signed for Milan?

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Matri signed for AC Milan yesterday.
Keep up pinocchio!

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31 Aug 2013 08:00:10
If gareth barry thinks he can demand coming to goodison for no less than £125,000 a week then he can stay at city!! Greedy c%×t

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People need to understand what they are saying. He will get 125 regardless from city. City are trying to get Everton to pick up more of his wages to make the loan deal profitable to them.

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31 Aug 2013 04:41:06
I would welcome sigurdsson, holtby and Moses but not james McCarthy, we don't need him as we have got Gibson and surely with the money we are paying Wigan for him we could have put it to better use like 2 much better players than him. The fee is reportedly around 14 mill we could sign Moses and sigurdsson for 7 mill each which would make us a much team

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They both play différent positions to Fellaini. that's like saying we don't need felli because we have gibson! If he goes we need to replace him in centre mid holding role

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We have got Gibson when? Gibbo good player but spends half season injured.

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Gibbo is holding mf. If Felli leave we need replaced by ball winning role. Also we need promising striker.

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I'm quite happy to leave it to RM's judgement he knows more about McCarthy than any of us.
I just hope we avoid Barry and Ince, I don't think either are an impovement on what we already have.
All the talk of Baines and Felli has distracted us from the possibility of other departures this weekend. Who is surplus to requirements?

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Gibson is always injured, how long can we go on putting up this is, and selling our best players. What a joke this club is.
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31 Aug 2013 03:57:47
What the hell is going on fair enough of manutd buy Baines and Fellaini for 40-50 mil but the players we are being linked with to replace them why would we want them? Barry loan Maronne loan McCarthy not worth the asking price. We should be linked with much higher quality players instead of loans and overpriced Wigan players! Look at spurs for example already secured all their high quality replacements before they've even sold bale! If these two core players do leave us we need to bring in top top players. How can barry and marrone be expected to replace these players. Either keep them or sort out some real targets. Get it together Roberto

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You go on about spurs they have spent megga bucks on transfers in the last 25yrs ie ginola gascoigne klinsmann sheringham to name but a few yet no league title since 1962 newcastle the same tottenham have a board of billionaires who back there manager but money dosent win you silverwear at least there board back there manager and have a chairman in levy who is honest and in contact with the fans unlike our devious underhanded gutter rat who says nothing and gives no transfer funds to aide us in our constant aim for champions league I bet he gave rm the speil so he signed up so don't believe this crap about holding out for 40/50 million for baines & felli its rm whos said no if he didn't he would do a clough and walk he has dignity but a steelyness about him he is no mug so let him do the buisnes and give him the time he deserves to bring us what he promised us the champions league if the rat backs him everton for ever

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They are good players. Plus it is a little late to be throwing huge amounts f money around mate. McCarthy would be a decent Feli replacemnet and Barry.

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31 Aug 2013 01:42:15
Right let's look positive here blues nobody has left nobody has put a transfer request in as of yet, Bobby is getting to know HIS squad which is going to take time, were getting used to a different system. let's be honest we all moaned about Moyes' tactical negativity, let's be patient with Bobby as I believe we have ourselves a great manager who will bring us silverware!

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30 Aug 2013 21:47:08
So far baines has acted with such dignity. He is still playing great. He always claps the fans throughout the game. And he has not asked to leave. But are we denying him a chance at champions league football as well as a bigger salary. The fact that the shops are not actively selling his or fellianis shirt is a sign the club are waiting till the last minute for the best price. If baines leaves he will still be respected by me. {Ed025's Note - me too mate.

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That's the mindset of a small club .so every time Manchester United decide they want are players we sell even if they totally disrespect us .are manager and chairman do what's best for the club not the players .if we sell both Baines and Felliani its an acceptance of a small club .we are not a small club, look at spurs and levy .he won't sell to rivals and spurs are now respected as a realistic challenger for the top four .if u want to challange near the top keep your best players .what next Barkley next year to utd .are mindset needs to change throughout the club if we want to be taken seriously .if liverpool sold Suarez or utd sold rooney what message would that have sent .we need to do the same .tell Baines he's not going end of story

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Want some hard nosed leadership from bill not his biggest fan, but so far has dealt with utd well .would be a disaster if we give in an allow the two to leave, Felliani would be accepted if he went .but not the two .none of this b******* about not standing in the way of champions league .even now I would be making plans about Barkley .the message should be to build a team round him not losing him next year .moyes has really embarrassed bill time to be ruthless and fight back .no dealings with are rivals .

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I will still respect him. But it is not us denying him chapions league football ect. We have a price, and if other teams meet that price they can have him. not for 12m.

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We are not a small club. Neither are others who still had to see their best players go. Where not in Europe. Baines is not getting any younger. Yes we have to build but unless our board show ambition it won't happen. So it most likely won't happen and at least 1 will go.

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30 Aug 2013 21:25:56
I think it needs to be said that, given the incertainty surrounding the future of Baines and Fellaini, Roberto Martinez has conducted himself so far with enormous dignity, in the finest traditions of the very best of Everton managers. Whatever you think of him as a coach/manager (and in my view, given the difficult circumstances, the positives so far outweigh the negatives) he has done his absolute best for Everton FC in the face of shameful conduct by Moyes and the leeches of MUFC, not to mention the football media whose only interest is in the clubs they consider to be the top six.

There will probably be more disappointments and frustrations to come for us in the short term, but ultimately I do believe that Everton will thrive whether or not Baines and Fellaini stay. We have a good, intelligent man in charge who is passionate about Everton and we need to get behind him.

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Fantastic read that. I couldn't have wished to put it better myself. jcl

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Unfortunatelat a club like everton does not get you anywhere, she just get walked over, particularly by Kenwright and board. Can see both going, and no time for us to get quality replacements. The money will disappear like it usually does in BK or bank.
Bluenose.

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30 Aug 2013 19:57:26
Getting very nervous now, would settle for fellani going, but not bainsey, is McCarthy worth 12 to 15 mill and has RM any other targets, any clues out there ed {Ed025's Note - he,s worth what were willing to pay mate..

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