Everton Banter Archive December 30 2016

 

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30 Dec 2016 23:26:26
Last week someone suggested why Davies needs to be eased into the team.

Svenny, below is the perfect example of why these young players of ours will suffer. Too much expectation and a poor performance which personally I don't think Davies had, and certain fans want to throw them away.

The KID is 18 years old and he gets this kind of gratitude when trying his best in an unfamiliar team in many respects. Beggars belief.

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31 Dec 2016 00:09:30
Couldn't agree more mate. Some of these so called fans need to get a grip of themselves, they are an absolute joke. Davis had maybe one stray pass and he is labelled as not good enough? Crazy talk.

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31 Dec 2016 00:19:11
Thought he brought Barkley into the game myself.

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31 Dec 2016 00:38:30
Utter nonsense, I'm lowering expectations. He's just a plodder. Not saying he's worse than Barry but he's not someone to build a team around. I'm saying leave him alone he'll be a great pro football player if left alone.

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31 Dec 2016 00:43:16
He made a difference and played a great ball through which nearly ended in a goal, next season he will be a star .

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31 Dec 2016 08:40:20
I probably have no right for the following comment but do those such as Svenny really know anything about the game. I do know that sometimes I see games differently than our Management and coaching staff but trust that because they have been employed that just perhaps they know more than me. Unsworth sees these lads every day and has a very high opinion of those such as Davies, just look how they played on the last game of last season when introduced. We have some really good young players coming through and we need to trust in our current coaching staff. We all know the problems caused through stubbornness over the last 3 seasons and we all know Koemans statement of needing (at least) 2 years to get us back on the right track. May I finish by wishing everyone at this great Club a wonderful 2017. (After my impending Gym session shortly, the rest of the day and night will become very messy, I doubt very much I shall be capable of cohesive thought) .

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31 Dec 2016 09:49:29
I know we will never win a title if Tom Davies is "our future"
People are misinterpreting my point. Davies does look good and I'm sure he'll have a great future and career, I just think the love in is unfair firstly on him and secondly because it's purely based on his age.
I see it as we have all accepted mediocracy for so long that when I dare to dream of more I'm shut down as a non fan who just slags them off. I don't I support but quite frankly outside of about 4 players in our entire 23 man squad not a single club positioned above us in the league would take our players, including Davies. That's the gulf in class.

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31 Dec 2016 11:10:55
Plodder and bang average has no misinterpreration and you never win a title with just one player.

I don't think anyone has said he is a Rooney or a Barkley but in the role he does he has shown that the lad has talent. You can't expect every player that is young to be a player full of tricks you also need the grafters.

I understand you want better players at our club and the team is not a team to challenge but ripping apart an 18 year old whos played a handful of games is spiteful.

You'll get your wish and so will we of better players and a more competitive team over the coming years. Hopefully though some of our young talent will break through as well. In spite of some fans wanting them gone before they've even had a chance.

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30 Dec 2016 22:18:06
Also the Davies love in. My word. That guy is so bang average it's scary how desperate we are. Get rid of the lot. Start again selling Nil Satis Nisi Optimum to players. This bunch are just mediocracy personified. So average the lot of them. Lukaku scores fair play. Mirallas has touched of class, Idrissa is class and Baines will always be a good footballer. Coleman is our only performer and regular 7 out of 10. That's 5 players out of 23. The rest aren't up to it. Big changes needed if we are not going to be completely left behind. 1st thing, get Koeman on a bumper 7 year deal, no get out unless mega bucks. Then window by window shift the dead wood. I only watch us now because the manager tells it like it is.
New stadium, new club, same moto and maybe we might grow. Otherwise it will be new stadium, same club, administration.

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{Ed025's Note - very harsh svenny...but hard to argue with any of that mate..

30 Dec 2016 22:32:50
Svenny and Ed, I would argue the Davies point. Has more than deserved to be given time to develop and show what he can do. Fully understand a bit of negativity but jumping on a young kids back already is ridiculous, especially since he has performed well overall.

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{Ed025's Note -yeah i did not mean to agree with the davies bit cropper, hes only young and that bit was unfair mate..

30 Dec 2016 22:34:53
I said in the first half, you do not change a winning side, it was true when I was a kid and it is true now. The side/ formation/ tactics against Leicester had width, pressure and defence, tonight we revert back to being narrow, slow and unable to pressurise. Look RK is the man for us and he is the one that gets paid big bucks but when it goes wrong for these guys it just makes them look like chumps. In my heart of hearts I know he has a plan but by heck it is some ride at the moment.

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30 Dec 2016 22:45:52
You telling me Holgate is not up to it. You telling me Barkley with a better team is not up to it. Davies is 18 and will only get better. That is our future, build around them. They all need to play together. They all need to start. Barkley was so so so much better when Davies came on.

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30 Dec 2016 22:55:42
Holgate looks committed with ability, Davies looks committed with limited ability, Barkley has endless ability but zero between his ears. The guy will never be what we all dreamed he would be. Let's stop holding on to ghosts and move on.
Re harsh on Davies. I'm not being harsh, the lad clearly has a future playing pro football at a decent level. I wish I was him at 18. Is he good enough to move us forward or build a team around? Deary me our standards are low. We have at best 3 players who top 4 clubs would be keen on. Coleman, Lukaku and Gana. End of. Mirallas is top 8 everyone else is just average. Deal with the reality guys. My Davies point is about our aspirations. We've gone from being excited about Rooney, then Barkely now it's Davies. The lad will never be a top top player.

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30 Dec 2016 22:55:50
I'm no spring chicken, but then knowone is paying me 50,000 plus per week. It's pretty simple, there are too manny "old men" in our side. you can get away with one or two over 30s, but we have simply too many, the majorit of our problems start from that simple fact.

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30 Dec 2016 23:21:19
You are wrong mate. The problem is Barkley is surrounded by too many crap players. He is trying to pick Lukaku out with three guys around him. We bag him because he goes backwards, that's because the players in their wheelchairs need an eternity to get moving.

Mate if he played at Tottenham, Man City, Chelsea or even Liverpool he would star. Why - because those players in those teams are prepared to run and his skill and vision would provide so many assists.

Davies you can't right the boy off straight away. He plays with passion and looks like he can shoot and pick a pass. I'm telling you right now. Get rid of Barkley to a top club and he will make us look like fools. Especially to all the fat overgrown lazy supporters who sit in the stands and bag and boo him all the time.

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30 Dec 2016 23:49:16
Bit harsh on Davis really. The lad looks half decent, has bags of energy and tries to make a pass to make things happen and you're slating him why? We haven't seen enough of him to say whether he will make it or not so why condemn him?
This is the reason why young lads are on a hiding to nothing when they get their chance, you only have to look at Ross to see how the fans can affect a players confidence. No need and absolutely ridiculous to the extreme Svenny.

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31 Dec 2016 00:24:50
Jesus, get a grip. Davies comes on and constantly wants the ball, and it good he's not scared to make a mistake. Seriously if people don't want to support this club then don't. Follow F1 Mercedes team then you will never be disappointed, but you will be bored.

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31 Dec 2016 00:40:47
Again nonsense, so because a kid wants the ball passes it sideways and has energy we should all bow down. Why do so many Evertonians just accept average now?

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31 Dec 2016 01:05:30
Bloody hell, since martinez was sacked, Davies instantly came into the team against Norwich and played a blinder. This season he has been gradually integrated into more first team duties, and played very well imo. even if he was sub par for 1 bloody game so what, he wasn't for me but fans are fickle and if we go with the notion some fans gave then, lukaku doesn't score in a game, sell him he's crap, we concede a goal, let's flog the entire defense and keeper. Get a grip, even top quality players have bad days. i remember Hibbert keeping Ronaldo in his back pocket. some fans need to get a grip before drooling crap out their mouths. Davies will become a top quality player for us, Mark my words.

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31 Dec 2016 01:41:55
I'm lost as to why you would want to attack an 18 year old who has had fleeting appearances in the first team. The lad has not looked out of place when he has been used and, if anything, he has re-energised the team when introduced from the bench. Why did you think he was not up to it tonight Svenny? I didn't think he did much wrong apart from one stray pass. Many others on here feel the same as me. This kind of attitude is not helpful to the progress of any young player, we see how the idiots get to Ross on a weekly basis. If you are going to slate the lad then do it constructively, give valid reasons for doing so. I'm afraid I just don't see why you would have a go at him, the lad hasn't had much of a chance as yet and here you are, ripping a kid who has less than 10 appearances!

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31 Dec 2016 08:43:49
I'm not attacking Davies I'm attacking us Evertonians who because he's 18 for whatever reason want him to play and throw around comments like "he's the future"
Sorry if he's our future then our future is to be a mid table side for all eternity. I want more.

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31 Dec 2016 13:26:33
Alluding that 'he is bang average' and 'because a kid wants the ball passes it sideways and has energy we should all bow down' is pretty much ripping him Svenny.
Why shouldn't we support the young lads coming through? We are, after all, supporters and there isn't much better than a local lad coming through the ranks and playing for the first team. None of us know if he will make it but the lad hasn't looked out of place so far. If he continues to progress then he will be a part of our future, like it or not.
So there is no real justification to be so harsh, be critical if he plays badly but at least give the lad a chance.

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30 Dec 2016 21:35:10
Hi Ed Good God Mr Moshiri is going to have spend big in the window after this lot, GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed025's Note - we need a bigger window GB..

31 Dec 2016 00:26:03
We need panarama mate.

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30 Dec 2016 22:00:17
We need to start Davis, Holgate and Calvert-Lewin we are too slow on the ball with jags and Barry and Valencia is just Donald Trump
I thought Barkley played better tonight though.

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30 Dec 2016 21:52:31
That for me was the biggest drivel ever.
Everton excite me not one bit.

Honestly I don't even look forward to it any more it's just boring crap.

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30 Dec 2016 22:03:00
To be honest at half-time I went to the gym, unfortunately the game was on the TV there as well. Jags is not the player he used to be and Barry is too slow. Letting two goals in against the bottom team is just not acceptable. Koeman has to take responsibility for the result today, he had better options.

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30 Dec 2016 21:02:23
Rubbish. Hull care more. Simple. For the umpteenth time this year including last season we are second to everything and act like a bunch of cowards. No desire. No passion.

The fact we will finish in the top 8 is the frustrating thing because to be that good without giving two Donald Trumps it's really a damming indictment of the club ethos. From top to bottom they are comfortable.

Koeman has tried to rock the boat by saying the players aren't up to much, he won't be able to move them on though. Why would cleverly leave? He's on 40-50k a week here. Why would Jags leave, who would buy them? The years of accepting mediocrity is going to take years to change.

We will win tonight because we are better than them but anyone who is on a par or better than us will beat us because the players don't care. Simple. Bunch of pussies.

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30 Dec 2016 21:25:12
Ok maybe we can't even beat this lot. Deary me.

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30 Dec 2016 21:57:53
Can't agree more svenny, barry is finnished now! lennon should be playing, he's no world beater but at least he will try.
I still support koeman but he has his hands full, what a complete bone idle, unpassionate and slow, sloppy shower of _______!

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30 Dec 2016 23:08:41
Reading the replies I saw Eds edit to my post. Love the Donald swap Ed. On a personal preference bang on the money!

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30 Dec 2016 21:01:59
With Geri left out the squad tonight and the Milan rumours rife, Lookman coming straight in, do we think we've seen the end of him in our shirt?
I really like the lad, think he could be world class one day, but he's a disposable player. Very rare to not see him blowing out of his arse after 25mins.

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30 Dec 2016 20:57:37
Really getting bored of watching Everton's poor starts and only playing 45 mins, time for Koeman to accept responsibility and change things!
As poor as some of our players seem they also look like they have no motivation!
How many others saw that goal coming long before it happened?
But I will agree many now look just not good enough!

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30 Dec 2016 20:23:00
Bloody usual shambles. chasing the game now.

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30 Dec 2016 20:52:54
I agree, to slow and a yard behind. Hull are appalling and there for the taking, Barry is far to slow and clumsy, valencia is lost and barkley brings nothing. The game is crying out for delafou.

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30 Dec 2016 21:00:47
If Barry was any slower he'd suffer rigamortis! Is Valencia any better than Niasse?
They can be exposed by pace and someone to take them on which is where mirralas has been better maybe Lennon or Gerry?
This is a game we need to push on and win so maybe 4-4-2.

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30 Dec 2016 20:19:18
Old adage in Sport and particularly football. You do not change a winning Team.

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31 Dec 2016 06:56:34
Thought he would have learned after his team change selection against Norwich in the cup but nope, yet again changed a winning team.

At least Moyes took a penknife to games, this clown is taking pipe, slippers and oveltine.

I've seen more action in a nuns crutch than what half this shower is putting in.

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30 Dec 2016
The real time live chat page is open for today's Everton match at the below link for you to talk to each other during the match
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30 Dec 2016 06:20:07
Hi ED what's your podcast called?

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{Ed002's Note - Sharkopod.}

30 Dec 2016 05:34:21
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview

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