Everton Banter Archive November 02 2017

 

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02 Nov 2017 23:41:59
You fellas are in a right mess, I hope you know me by now to know I'm not coming here to rub it in. In fact it's the opposite, I want to see you lads doing well, it's not right Everton doing as bad as this.

Big question is how can it be fixed? a new manager? I don't think so. I really don't. You don't have the players to score goals and that's the sad truth, your defence is a shambles as well, infact the whole team is, the whole club is at the moment.

I have seen some positive posts, I must say, if I was an Everton fan I'd be negative to the maximum because it's worrying times for you. It's alright been supportive, but there's a limit.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I seriously doubt you fellas will get relegated. Having said that, should you carry on like you are, you will be relegated and now it has me thinking, you think of the top teams in the championship, they are playing better then Everton, that is fact, you go down it's not guaranteed you'll come back up, something needs changing immediately because on your form you wouldn't get into the top 7 in the Championship.

I'm asking as an outsider, what needs changing? I don't follow Everton as much as I do Liverpool obviously but to me your in a sticky rut finding it incredibly difficult to get out of and upto now it seems like an impossible task.

Again I'm not coming here to be daft, I sincerely hope you start getting the results you need, never mind rivalries, your club doesn't belong in the Championship, surely.

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03 Nov 2017 03:51:49
Cheers for that Corleone, I feel so much better now, ever thought of working for the Samaritans.

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02 Nov 2017 23:07:35
Think we need to go back to school boy basics of playing 4-4-2.

Tell the 4 midfielders they have to run box to box and keep the 2 forwards right up top all game - it may be boring but the players seem to have lost the notion of attack together / defend together.

I know pickford has potential and has done save great saves already this year but I would go back to Robles for a while - pickford was bought from a relegated team and was their number 1 at the time - I am starting to lose confidence in him.

As the u23 are the reserve team so to speak why don't we use the u23 back 4 for a game or two - can't be anyworse that the dross who are currently playing.

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03 Nov 2017 07:02:18
Don't be blaming Pickford. It's the same now and it was last season for him. A terrible defence standing in front of him. He has amaxing talent and pulled off some amazing shots sadly his downfall is he's human.

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03 Nov 2017 08:57:05
Wasn't for pickford these drubbings would be even worse.

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{Ed025's Note - he has made some great saves W but even he has made a few poor decisions as well, its groundhog day for him as playing in front of our defence is very much akin to his sunderland days mate..

02 Nov 2017 22:36:29
Apparently my post yesterday was negative.
Apologies. I should've waited 24 hrs and then just added it to the many.
Its so painfully apparent for all to see, we are in the shite. Big time.

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02 Nov 2017 22:34:02
I have to say I'm truly saddened by some of tonight's posts. DU has been in post for 3 games! Chelsea, Leicester and Lyon. All good outfits. We're just coming out of a poor run of games under a manager who has stripped the confidence from the squad he's had. We have no proven striker and our senior players are in poor form. Slamming them further aides who?
You want the club to succeed as do we all who love the toffees but the slating and panic needs to stop people it's toxic. Turn up on Sunday and no matter what get behind the team. I played at a good level and when things are going great everyone's on a high when things go wrong things turn negatively very quickly. Football is fickle and negativity breeds negativity. Under the microscope no one will want the ball for fear of getting booed. Fans play such an integral part of how a team performs and as hard and painful as it is at the moment if we don't give DU and the lads our backing and a home atmosphere to give them some to play for it doesn't matter who comes in it will be a mission to get things going. Give DU some time to find a system that works. Has anyone thought he might have played without a striker tonight to preserve the ones we have for Sunday? What's more important a session for the defensive element of our game against a good outfit in a cup comp we could now do without or a potential injury to a forward we desperately need at home on Sunday in a game at home we need to take points from?
Think logically people and what would you do if in the same situation. Sunday matters so much more than tonight and the 4 prem games we have to follow.
#staystrongstayunited.

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02 Nov 2017 22:49:29
Take your points but that’s five defeats on the spin. More worrying is little positives to take from them games. Not much in way of decent efforts on goal really. We look really poor. I was keen for rhino to have a go but to be honest he looks out of his depth at the moment tonme and the sooner we get someone in like Dyche the better as were unlikely to attract anyone else of a higher calibre.

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02 Nov 2017 22:50:58
At last a good positive post. Great post Ricky, let's get behind the lads on Sunday and make Goodison the bear pit it used to be.

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02 Nov 2017 23:00:24
Ricky the problem is we are not coming out of a poor run of games. We have been on a poor run of games since pre season, and it shows no sign of ending.

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02 Nov 2017 23:32:10
Ricky spot on. To me I could not give one toss about the Europa league, when we are in this predicament. Premier league survival is all I care about. We now have the Fa Cup and league to worry about now. All I care about is this club surviving in the Premier League. I cannot sleep at night because I fear us going down, but you supporters there must get behind the team as there is 28 games to go!

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03 Nov 2017 06:41:28
How can you question people being negative? We don't even look like scoring goals, we're on the worst run I can ever remember plus the only record we're on track to beat this season is Derby's points tally when they got relegated. I have not seen three teams worse than us in the league this year, and if there aren't three teams worse than you, you get relegated.

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{Ed025's Note - its not easy to find positives windsor, at the moment the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off mate..

03 Nov 2017 08:58:02
all good outfits, but we've been beaten convincingly we're EVERTON FC not bloody Swansea or stoke where we say, yeah but they're a good team aren't they!

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{Ed025's Note - thats half the problem W this "we are everton" malarkey, we do not have a divine right to beat the lower ranked teams and to be honest those teams you mention are higher in the table because they are better than us mate..

02 Nov 2017 22:25:12
Where dose everyone think it has gone so wrong who's fault is it . is it Koeman's fault or is it Walsh is it the boardroom is it down to RM starting it all off or is there an other side to everton that we don't see . this club cannot have turned out so bad as it is now just because we never replaced a striker there has to be an underlined problem within the club.

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02 Nov 2017 22:33:10
ALL. Of them played a part. none of the players bought in come close to replacing Rom. None of the right backs come close to standing in for Coleman. All of the ' no10' players don't look as half as good as Ross. so none of our most influential players were replaced! Add to that Williams ( he is garbage) and then strange and continuing varied squad selection, it's all well and truly bizarre.

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02 Nov 2017 22:09:39
I managed to watch the game in the US on TV. The performance was an absolute disgrace and totally disrespectful to Everton football club. I have watched Everton since I was 6 years of age over 71 years ago and I have never been as ashamed of the performance as I was today. Even in the bad years like when we were relegated to the old second division I could hold my head up and say the team played with passion and pride in the jersey. Not today, we were an absolute shambles in defense and non-existant in attack. Players like Williams and Schneiderlin should never wear the jersey again IMHO. I just hope that Kenwright and Moshiri choose the right manager to take us forward and who has the guts to remove the dead-wood quickly.

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02 Nov 2017 22:06:49
We all know the club need a top striker and manager. Names being banded about regarding who fans would like as Manager.
Who would fans like in as striker? Not easy to come up with any names at this stage of the season, highlighting more the biggest mistake in letting Lukaku go.

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03 Nov 2017 00:00:57
No mistake "letting him go"
Big mistake not listening to the manager of the team who stated publicly exactly what he wanted.

A director of football role given to a great scout. Who will no doubt come into his own over the next 4 transfer windows.

And ex chairman who clearly has the club in his heart bit no longer gives the green light.

A new chairman that has big ideas and a big wallet but maybe is still a little naive in the market?

A set of fans that have waited and waited for a flicker of life in the old girl. Dreaming of glory days and maybe just maybe got way ahead of themselves (me included) in the summer and rubber stamped every bit of business.

Rk is Dutch and they have a way bordering on arrogance. He was refreshing bit when the wheels fell off, he became an easy target due to his personality (that old chestnut)

Unsworth is an ex player and is well liked. Great few years at youth level and has thrown his hat in off his own back. Shame his time is about to be up. I do hope we havnt burnt him and he leaves the club.

Next? You could put Pep or Jose in charge and nothing will change until we can score goals. We need a striker. any striker will do.

Didn't think it worth thinking about but I really fear our top flight status. Over quarter of the season gone and we have a long wayntongo before January. We could be a long way from safety by then.

Watford will roast us. can't see where a result comes from.

I don't want Dyche and co. but I think it's time to reach for Big Sam and scrap this season and start again next summer and Mr Moshiri had best stop dilly dallying about and get a serious striker in.

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02 Nov 2017 21:35:07
Got to say DU said we needed to win the next 2 games, then puts out a team with 3 dm, Martina at left back and no striker, I think words can't describe how we all felt seeing that team sheet I feel for the fans travelling to Lyon to witness that horror show.
I hope the board watched that and they finally realised that we are in big trouble and no matter who they bring in its going to be a very big job, I still can't believe Walsh still has a job he must shoulder the blame for this mess as much as RK did. Roll on Watford I'd take a 90th min 1-0 win at the moment, would love to rant some more but feel like crawling under a rock to escape the nightmare of seeing us play this badly to our fans safe trip home.

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03 Nov 2017 04:03:31
I honestly believe Unsworth has put all his eggs into one basket for the Sunday game, ensuring the likes of Rooney, Baines and Jagielka rested and hopefully freshened up for Sunday, bit unfair on the fans who travelled but Sunday’s game is massive, I fully expect to see a more attack minded set up against Watford, only consolations is both Deeney and Schnids are suspended for the game.

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02 Nov 2017 21:11:14
We are getting relegated right now i don't see who ever we get in to manage us it doesn't matter as we can't score and certainly can't defend. we may be able to sort it in Jan but by then it will be to late. for as long as i can remember the fans have wanted money in the club and now we have it but are probably worse off for it on well at least we are not in debt anymore!

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02 Nov 2017 21:09:22
Hi Ed what whispers have you heard about the manager situation I am now so confused with how bad we are playing i don’t know who I would be happy with Everton are not only doing my heart in they are starting to mess my brain up now.

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{Ed025's Note - mine too eddy, heard lots of whispers mate but i really dont know at this stage who we will pick mate..

02 Nov 2017 21:49:45
Ed025 Not a question of who 'we' will pick but whether anyone except Allardyce (and his now over a barrel demands) would come to us. Why would Dyche come for instance and he is the only other realistic contender.

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02 Nov 2017 21:26:37
Who are the most persistent names ed.

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{Ed025's Note - dyche and allardyce eddy..

02 Nov 2017 21:38:59
Who would be your pick ed025? Can anyone find a solution to this?

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{Ed025's Note - i wanted tuchel KK but thats looking increasingly unlikely, it seems we are going british but for me its more about who i dont want other than who i do mate..

02 Nov 2017 21:09:03
ed is koeman still there somewhere mate hiding behind someone am sure av just seen a team full of mids and martina play left back or is it just me seeing things, my plan would be get big sam in totake us back to basics and stabalise us, and play the entire youth against last 2 europa teams, this is a shambles need to go out in jan sign a goalscorer and decent quick centre half, an just to mention yet again not just koemans fault, moshiri and bill got lot to answer for letting rom go with 2 yrs on contract, saints with van dijk liverpool with coutinho yet we can't do it, lukaku should have been told yer not going end of until we find replacement end of but not us no, club run all wrong fromtop to bottom absolute shite, they all should be ashamed of themselves.

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02 Nov 2017 21:59:17
I honestly believe that if we still had lukaku we wouldn't be any better off. We ain't creating anything. I'm normally very optimistic but I'm even worrying now x.

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03 Nov 2017 10:09:06
Think your TV is broke pal.

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02 Nov 2017 21:08:51
When you are playing for your future on the verge of going out of Europe, then pick a side with no striker, how on earth do you think you will get that job or win over the fans?
Tonight we dug in for an our but were totally outclassed in the end.
For all the money spent we are in a worse position than 3 years ago, and more so no Lukaku replacement has made us look a one man team over the last few years!
The young lads have been our only bright spark but total mismanagement at every level has put us back years!
It's now about survival nothing more at this time, you cannot build unless the base is solid!

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02 Nov 2017 21:08:19
That Pickford and Williams incident was sickening to watch. Just happy that Pickford recovered, but commenting as a very ordinary keeper myself, it showed Pickford's lack of confidence in Williams.

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02 Nov 2017 20:55:04
Sorry but it's got to be big Sam to get a team out of a relegation dog fight again as long as he doesn't bring little Sam with him!

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02 Nov 2017 21:02:56
Never in my wildest dream would I ever thought I would have agreed with you mate but we need him quick drastic measures for drastic times.

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02 Nov 2017 21:13:59
I don't care whether he brings little Sam or fireman Sam as long as he gets us out of trouble.

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02 Nov 2017 20:52:20
That moment when you see on your credit card statement that Everton have autocupped the Atalanta home game and you are already out : (.

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02 Nov 2017 20:50:45
Hey Ed some saying Dyche some saying Unsworth and some even saying Big Sam, whoever it is we need one of them quick, these lads are totally shot, after watching tonight I really don't care who takes over just get us out the mire and get us safe.

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02 Nov 2017 21:11:29
NSNO hopefully the board will check the clubs motto!

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02 Nov 2017 20:50:19
I know it may be difficult to say due to how poor we have been, but just out of interest, who out of the Koeman/ Walsh signings would you be bothered about if they went? I can only think of Pickford, Keane, Gana and MAYBE Vlasic/ Lookman (due to potential) . For me Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Williams, Sandro and Klaassen could never play for us again and I wouldn't be bothered. While I realise some of them haven't settled yet and my have a role to play I don't see how most of them improve on what we have. Are Sigurdsson or Klaassen on top form any better than Barkley on top form? Is Williams better than Jags? Do we even need Schneiderlin?

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02 Nov 2017 20:43:24
Baningime has to play at Watford, Kenny although i'd keep him at right back until Coleman comes back is way out of his depth. Holgate has to play alongside either keane or Jagielka in the centre. Williams cannot be allowed to play again for us, he is an embarrassment. The pre match press conference was an opportunity for him to apologise when the reporter asked him about the bust up agaonst Lyon and he just carried on with his usual arrogant s**t. Somebody has to have the balls to play Sanchez. We need someone on the shoulder of defenders that has pace to give us an out ball, there is no point holding the ball up with DCL because no one else makes any runs. Siggurdson has the most assists of any player we have ever signed and the most for us this season unbelievably but can't start in his preferred position so what does Unsworth do. puts him as a number 9. F**k me i hope he leaves in January because he's too good for us to even understand where to play him. It's a shame because in his favoured position he has kept Swansea up 2 seasons in a row almost single handedly and you know what. We will probably need that in the last 3 months of the season.

It's not f@@king rocket science. Give any decnet manager Pickford, Keane, Holgate, Baines, Gana, schneiderlin Vlasic, Lookman, Siggurdson, DCL and Rooney and they should be able to finish at least top 10.

Rant over.
Apologies.

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02 Nov 2017 21:56:16
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you Smit666 but someone/ some people have messed up this Squad big time. A number 10 that practically single handedly kept his Club in the Prem for two seasons running, bought for a barrow load of dosh and then played either on the wing or then tonight as a striker. WTF goes through these coaching genius's heads.

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02 Nov 2017 20:44:12
The distraction of European football now out of the way, perhaps the players can return to a more settled routine of playing on Saturdays and so be able to enjoy a Saturday night social life.
Over the next few weeks get organised in the hope of a better run in the FA Cup as well as guarantee improvement in league position.
Because of failure on the field Koeman paid the price. Because of failed recruitment, then why is Steve Walsh still at the club. Perhaps we would be better without a Director of football as this could hinder who can be recruited as new Manager.

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02 Nov 2017 20:39:31
What a shambles, the jobs too big for Dyche, wouldn't be surprised if big Sam came tomorrow. Schneiderlan need to go sit with klassen. I never thought i'd see Everton play without a striker, shame on you Walsh and the board.

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02 Nov 2017 20:39:15
I'm sure you have heard the expression, to good to go down, well if steps are not taken right now, that's just where we are headed.
I know Alerdice is not everyones first choic, but I don't think we have the margine to wait for the international break, every point will count, and three points my in the end be the differance of going down, or staying up, thus, PLEASE, can we have Alerdice, in the dug out Saterday.

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02 Nov 2017 20:34:33
Open message to BK and FM. Just thought you needed reminding that our club motto is Nil Sati Nisi Optimum. Nuff said.

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02 Nov 2017 20:31:28
Hey Ed let's hope all the lads left out the team tonight are fit and well and in peek condition for Sun MUST WIN GAME.

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{Ed025's Note - if we could sneak a little 1 nil win (with an own goal) GB then its game on mate..

02 Nov 2017 20:39:08
with you on that mate.

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02 Nov 2017 20:19:04
I think we stink. I don’t think I can make it any more clear than that. Even if we could clone Jose I don’t think it would help.

I suppose the next Manager should just pick 11 names out of a hat to choose the starting lineup.

At this rate are the only goals we will score will be own goals.

Nil satis nisi optimum or abandon all hope ye who enter. What is the team motto?

Rant complete, now for a 40k bike ride to help me forget.

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02 Nov 2017 20:11:23
I do not care for this competition and it's format is flawed so I'll gladly go out if we get 3 points on Sunday it was worth it but I'm well and truly in panic mode I'm drinking double what I usually do just to get to sleep.

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02 Nov 2017 20:27:43
Steady on man, we can get out of this if we play a consistent team and stop pandering to the fans. Unsworth is a good man but I fear he is being a fan not a manager.

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02 Nov 2017 20:34:31
We need a Kevin Campbell signing in January.

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02 Nov 2017 20:10:11
OK we are out of Europe, I think now we know unsworth isn't the answer. I believe as highlighted by his teams even he doesn't know his best eleven. Benni is a starter ahead of Schniedlin and gana, Martina isn't good enough and he has to play a striker who is a striker no matter what.

At the moment the club, players look lost!

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{Ed025's Note - they really do pauly..

02 Nov 2017 20:40:31
Any thoughts on miralles in front?

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02 Nov 2017 20:49:01
We need a no9 upfront kingkendall. We either put DCL up there with support, play Niasse from the start or give Sanchez a run and try and get him a goal, every time I've seen Sanchez I've thought he looks like if he gets a goal it would settle him and he could bang them in.

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02 Nov 2017 20:09:19
Ed is right we have to get a settled side then get safe then see what happens, wish I knew the answer, have been through some bad times being a Blue, but I will always be a Blue COYBS.

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02 Nov 2017 20:08:47
I think Mike walker is out of work at the minute. he'd do!

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02 Nov 2017 20:01:17
I think the point we are missing in all this is that no-one, not Koeman, not Unsworth and realistically none of the superstar managers (us fans) know what our best team is. Koeman used 21 players and 7 formations, and Unsworth has used 18 players in 3 games. This is one of our major problems. I wonder if Unsworth, or whoever else takes over, picks a settled team and plays them for a few games, then we may start to see results.

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02 Nov 2017 20:09:46
That's what happens when we sign to many in one window out of league cup out of Europe and in the bottom 3 it's been a nightmare it's not fair on unsworth he didn't cause this mess but he won't have the know how to fix it.

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02 Nov 2017 20:14:20
Fact is it doesn't matter what formation the manager chooses the players are just not good enough. everton have been ripped off for the prices they paid for these clowns in the first team (apart from pickford and gueye) . relegation is very likely imho.

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02 Nov 2017 20:25:02
Absolutely blue Tommy, how can any team from top to bottom of any division form an understanding if the players change as much as they have. Sometimes I think the additional money in the club has been a curse rather than a saviour. Big transfer fees and feel we have to play them all at the same time. Tottenham has a similar issue when the bail money came in. For gods sake get some stability in the side, and give a team a run of games.

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02 Nov 2017 20:44:25
If you are picking on form our settled team should be:
Pickford
Kenny Keane Jags Baines
Baningime Gueye
Mirallas Rooney Vlasic
Calvert-Lewin

A few games ago Davies would have been the first name on the team sheet for me. He's struggling at the moment though. If Keane is still injured you would have to play Holgate (can't have 2 slow CBs) . Irrespective of how he slows the game down Rooney has to play behind the striker because he is still the only player in the squad (bar Niasse) who looks like scoring at all. Stick with the same team for a couple of games and see what happens. I don't think the same team has played together for more than 3 games on the trot this season.

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02 Nov 2017 19:50:57
What an absolute shambolic farce this europa league experience has been.
To try and look on the bright side though (and please take this in the spirit it's intended) at least we won't have to watch Martina for a while :-)

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02 Nov 2017 19:58:37
That’s pretty harsh. That injury looked serious.

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02 Nov 2017 20:00:51
That is rubbish rhapsody that how bad we r as a club right now with that comment.

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02 Nov 2017 20:09:04
Apologies if I offended anyone, it was meant as a little joke to try and lift the spirits a bit.
I did try to put that across in the original post but if anyone has taken offence then I can only apologise. Sorry folks.

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{Ed025's Note - no problems this end mate..

02 Nov 2017 20:16:05
Rhapsody in Blue: whatever Martina’s limitations are as a player, his injury looked serious and your tasteless comment is definitely not in the right spirit and is well out of order.

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02 Nov 2017 20:31:20
Rhapsody in Blue apology accepted - we move on.

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02 Nov 2017 19:47:18
I haven't seen us like this since Walter smith he wasn't even this bad.

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02 Nov 2017 20:02:38
I was thinking Mike Walker mate.

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02 Nov 2017 20:19:11
One thing to be grateful for, Unsworth has put the debate about him getting the job full time to bed.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but it may be time to push the panic button and get Fat Sam in.

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{Ed025's Note - i have to be honest...i would rather we get relegated than have that ball bag at my club mate..

02 Nov 2017 20:33:29
I agree Ed, but Unsworth isn't doing us any favours and nobody in a job would leave it for this farce. I would love Silva but he won't come when he's only been at Watford for a few months and has got them doing so well. Dyche would be a solid option but he'd probably think twice as well because something obviously isn't right.

The mood within the team is like when we signed Eto'o and he rubbed everyone up the wrong way.

I can't stand Allardyce but his track record in getting teams out of the sh1t is becoming increasingly attractive on a contract purely until the end of the season.

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02 Nov 2017 19:46:59
Schniderlin? What is he ed I hope we have a big clear out in Jan an get things ready for next year.

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{Ed002's Note - January is not the time to be rebuilding. get a new coach, get settled, get safe and then look to what needs to be done in the summer.}

02 Nov 2017 19:56:42
Ed002 Speaks sense BD.

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02 Nov 2017 20:12:00
question ed2
did you see this happening?

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{Ed002's Note - Koeman was the wrong guy for the job, I explained about that at the time. A major, major error was in making a scout the Director of Football. Now the club needs a strong character to take over the team.}

02 Nov 2017 20:26:13
Hopefully Mr Moshri will put his foot down now and see what Ed002 saw at the beginning. Mr Walsh way above his pay grade. Big Joe Royle as DoF with Dyche as long term Manager. Unsy back to U23's.

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02 Nov 2017 20:29:15
cheers for the reply ed and i have to agree with you, i thought that koeman and walsh were the dream team but now i its a turned to a nightmare.

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02 Nov 2017 19:46:14
Need appointment manager soon ed.

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{Ed002's Note - I agree, I have already said Unsworth is not the solution.}

02 Nov 2017 20:00:15
I agree but we really are stuck between a rock and a hardplace now. We need someone with the nounce to get us out of this but those being successful are going to look at Everton and wonder about the poison chalice. A bit dramatic I know but never the less, I am a worried man.

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02 Nov 2017 19:37:51
This is the worst Everton team ever.

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02 Nov 2017 19:42:12
Not the worse side ever but the worse I have seen for confidence wasn't as bad as this even under Martinez in his last season. Not one for conspiracy theories but something is definitely wrong behind the scenes. It has to be when Unsworth, who with his U23 prowess, I rate can't put together a side capable of giving the opposition at least a game.

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02 Nov 2017 19:43:50
Well I hate to say it Unsworth is finished. Williams and Schneiderlin have been hopeless. Why take off Gueye and leave Schneiderlin on? Our defense let's in two goals again. Can't score and letting in two goals per game is dire and can't be let to go on.

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02 Nov 2017 20:27:26
Did we even have a shot? I worried when I heard the team because it was clear we didn't have any goal scorers. The decision to take of Gueye when Schneiderlin was on a yellow made it 100% clear that Unsworth is not the answer.

Make no mistake, we are well and truly in the brown stuff and something is horribly wrong behind the scenes.

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02 Nov 2017 18:57:36
Fold and Ed025 on Sandro I do not understand why he is not leading the line tonight, playing sygy in that position is beyond belief.
Although I agree Sandro has not hit the ground running I believe he has the skill
, pace and talent to be an asset to the club.
However, I do think he is trying too hard, in a struggling team, to make an impact and unfortunately sometimes that has the reverse effect.
Sometimes, especially with younger players, a guaranteed run of six games takes the pressure off and allows a freedom from the pressure of the need for immediate performance impact.
But again because of the monetary need for immediate success clubs are reluctant to take a chance, which is why I fear for the the young talent, who have recently won two world cups and a European cup, actually playing first team football.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that fancy..

02 Nov 2017 18:26:20
3 players in this line up that should not even be on the bench not going to mention there names think we all know who they are and I know rooney is not my favourite but when we need some experience for a European game he is not even in the bench?

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02 Nov 2017 18:44:53
Let's have a crack, Williams, martina and schneiderlin?

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02 Nov 2017 20:41:03
Two out of three gibbo . I suppose schneiderlin makes it 4 I was thinking lennon.

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02 Nov 2017 17:51:34
Crikey Ed 025,some strange posts appearing on here today starting to blame Mr Moshiri for the mess we are in, i think in all the time I have been on this site this is the most ludicrous suggestion l have ever read, to even insinuate that Mr Moshiri is in any shape or form the reason for this takes the biscuit, he is a Saviour for Everton Football Club and I for one can't thank him enough for buying us, i won't even contemplate what would happened to our Great Club had he not stepped in, i know opinions are good and healthy but not at the expense of our owner, cheers Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - they are just looking for a scapegoat GB, this club full of world beaters should be winning the league, CL, and every cup we enter according to some and if not lets look for a fall guy, if its not blue bill then it has to be farhad who is running this club to the ground for them and i find it pathetic myself, yes we want better for our club of course but we have no divine right to beat any team and the sooner we realize that everton are not this massive club people think the better, it must be earned it is not a given mate..

02 Nov 2017 18:17:01
I tell you what gets me. On here and other social media, people have been saying " I hope we lose tonight so we out of Europe" we still have to play our other group games so for me, we need to win and carry it on to Sunday. Hoping we lose does absolutely squat apart from give the team less confidence and make the Watford game a shaky one for us.

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02 Nov 2017 18:18:40
Excellent comment Ed thanks, it just makes me cringe when I read tripe like that, rant over mate.

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02 Nov 2017 17:29:09
Hi ed025/ ed001/ ed002 do any of you guys know what the problem with Sandro is? Not getting a look in at the min, i know he wasnt great previously but he has had very little time to settle, i thought tonight would be a perfect opportunity to give him a game but we have decided to play others and not even take him. baffles me how they ecpect the lad to settle. cheers.

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{Ed025's Note - its a tricky one gold, to be fair he has done nothing to warrant a place in the first team up to now but i seen tonight as a perfect opportunity, he has been very underwhelming since he came and i was really looking forward to him playing as he looked really good in spain, i dont know if his confidence is shot but i see tonight as a dead rubber and a chance for fringe players to stake their claim mate, not everyone will see it like me of course..

02 Nov 2017 17:54:20
I think Unsworth has bowed to public demand and started Lookman. What he has overlooked is we all wanted him to start on the wing lol.
This is either going to be a suicidal or genius line up. I mean if he hammer Lyon would he play this team Sunday?

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02 Nov 2017 18:04:51
Agreed ed, would have been the perfect opportunity with less pressure, if they throw him back in to a league game, the pressure would get to him i think.

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{Ed025's Note - at this time i think it would gold..

02 Nov 2017 18:15:44
not looking good so far smit666.

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02 Nov 2017 17:24:57
What an attacking team to win a game, NOT.
To defensive with no striker, its a mystery.
Lets see if Gylfi is a centre forward. COB.

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02 Nov 2017 17:29:21
WTF. Martina must have something on the Club, he has to. If we win this with Gylf playing as a false 9, it will be one of the most genius decisions made by a Manager of Everton. If not then expect Dyche to be in charge Sunday.

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02 Nov 2017 17:16:25
Were starting without any striker on! There dm.
For me this proves unsworth is out his depth he's going not too lose.

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02 Nov 2017 17:49:54
No Lyon not Toulouse. I'll get my coat.

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{Ed025's Note - i think you should mate.. :)

02 Nov 2017 17:10:38
Interesting team sheet, no recognised striker, wonder who's playing up front, lookman perhaps.

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02 Nov 2017 16:51:59
COYB! With more than a handful of days preparation for Rhino and the team (so he's been in the caretaker role for a week) I have a good feeling tonight. Just put a bullseye on DU becoming our next manager at 18/ 1 cause I firmly believe we will play a lot better tonight and we'll grab a much needed win at the wkd now he's had a bit more time with the squad. c'mon Everton! 👍🏻.

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02 Nov 2017 15:51:07
Cant belive people are pointing the finger at moshiri for are problems he has been at the club 10 mins an we have spent big also close to a new staduim that we have been putting of way before he come are debts are all gone we have big sponsors
An the club has money and is steady and yet people are blaming moshiri madness i don't no much about the insides of what happens but this man is the real deal for me we just need the right manger to take us to the next level and bring some talent in with experiance koeman for me got to many players in 1 position plus no striker that's what got him the boot i for one trust in bill and moshiri.

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02 Nov 2017 14:00:44
This really is simple Mr morishe said he wanted to take us back to the top. we can't just blame the managers that come and go the board have to take responsibility for us not winning anything for twenty two years for a club our size it is a disgrace. we finally have some money now go and get the best manager that is out there not these second rate managers like big Sam dyche notes who will only help us survive. have some ambition and take us back to the top Mr morishe or you too are full of it.

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02 Nov 2017 15:04:01
Sad to say it but I have to agree totally with what your saying.

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02 Nov 2017 15:12:01
Some mad shouts towards the mosh.

Do you really think we are a top team now? Come on wake up and wobbble your head. We are a club in transition and like chity when then got new investment we need to build up.

No let’s have it all now! Come on Mosh take us the top, get Ronaldo, Messi and co, flash the cash. We got billions yes? We can easy buyout there contracts and pay 300k plus a week. We can sustain them out goings easy.

Wake up!

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02 Nov 2017 15:33:54
Totally agree with BeStyrne. People saying we are too good to good to go down, too good for this, that and the other manager need their heads a wobble.

Fact is if we keep going the way we are we WILL go down. I'm all for progressing but this thing of being snobby to certain managers and being relegated is exactly when it will happen.

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02 Nov 2017 16:25:05
For me the speed of progress is linked to just .2 percent vote difference in shares.

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02 Nov 2017 17:03:35
Why do we assume that Dyche is a second rate manager who will only keep us up, it’s nonsense, all the so called top managers have never had to work from the bottom up and have been given endless pots of Money to win things
All these managers have never taken a club forward there just a caretaker for a club, look at Chelsea they win trophies regardless who the manager is, same as Man City because of money could pep go and do the same job Dyche does for Burnley, no why cause he ain’t got the players to do so and would probably go down because of it, as football fans we have become obsessed with big names rather than a managers ability to man manage rather than moan and spend 200m every summer,
Pep could never do what a Clough did for Forest, I’m all for managers learning there trade at lower levels so they know how to manage through the good and bad times.

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02 Nov 2017 17:18:01
No point having a go at Mosh. He like the majority of us thought he was getting a top man in for the job. Now he's had his fingers burnt he is taking his time before he selects the next one. Can't see a problem with that. In my time I've employed some right tossers, who at the time I thought would do a good job for me. We learn by our mistakes. Hope Mosh does.

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02 Nov 2017 18:56:38
All we have ever had at Everton since Royle IS second rate managers.

We've tried a Dyche, Allardyce type manager already. What? You thought Moyes and Martinez were top managers?

What difference were they to these. I don't need a head wobble I just need to remember what these brought to my club. Nothing. A combined 14 years of nothing.

That lack of striker has cost us and Koeman his job and it wasn't him going out there trying to get one. Personally I'm putting the striker issue at Walsh door but it's a combination of things.

I don't care about blame though I just want us to continue to think in a forward fashion and go for a manager that is not just going to help us stay up but take it forward and help challenge at the right end of the league.

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03 Nov 2017 11:44:08
Forgot to mention managers in above as well, top managers don’t just go to clubs for the money, they go cause it adds to there reputation and medal collection, we are not a team that these managers want or are probably able to take over anymore.

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02 Nov 2017 12:25:05
NickB57, Morishi hasn't spent a penny of his own money Liverpool Council guarantee for proposed new stadium loan, if it happens, TV and incoming transfer funds for the rest don't forget tried to offload Barkley him plus Lukaku cash over £100m he's a conman what's the net spend after that.

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02 Nov 2017 15:03:11
Not said anything for a while, kept my thoughts to me self for a bit, but got to comment on this!
He’s a business man and he is here to run us better, he’s brought in new investments in naming finch farm, kit sponsors, interest free loan for clubs debts, instant cash loan if needed and let’s not forget the massive input he’s had in getting us a new ground and all with in how long?
Conman really?
Thumbs down on that one smokey.

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02 Nov 2017 17:20:32
Well said BS, some "supporters" have very short memories mate.

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02 Nov 2017 12:12:48
jMW, great post all about passion and am sick to death of the rubbish European tacktics that don't work unless you spend man city style. back to basics so I can enjoy match days again.

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02 Nov 2017 11:21:36
All i keep reading in the rags is that we should be going for a "big name" and we are taking a step back by going after Dyche.

Yes, he may not be the most glamorous of names, but is that what we need atm . i don't think so.

At least Dyche will have us competing in games, if Burnley are anything to go by, we will be organised and graft our bollocks off.

I don't know about everyone else, but i'm done with this modern, half-arsed approach to matches. I want some passion and hard work back, players working for each other and for the fans and i think Dyche will be able to bring that.

Get the basics right and then go from there. he's young and fresh and the work he's done at Burnley with the resources he's had is outstanding.

I honestly don't give a sh** who we get, as long as some passion is instilled back in this team and club. There is no connection between the players and the fans anymore, Goodison used to be a bear pit because the crowd would react to the effort and desire the players would show on the pitch, if we can get that back in this modern age of football, then i will be happy.

Up the toffees.

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02 Nov 2017 11:48:20
hes took burnley down and finished 16th last year?

eddie howe has undoubtedly worked more of a miracle for Bournemouth and finished 9th last year, is a blue so obviously be passionate about the cause? why aren't you mentioning him? oh I know because his Bournemouth side are lower than even us! dyche is doing well for two months and that's it should be nowhere near everton manager!

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02 Nov 2017 12:16:42
So wdlue we've sacked Kooman and you want to replace him with a manager that has never had a team finish above one of his and is currently below us in the table. Classic!

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02 Nov 2017 12:29:25
Sad day for Everton FC when they went Eddie Howe to get the job 😂 he's spent a fortune at Bournemouth are they're still the joint worst team in the league! Ibe, Mings, Afobe, Ake, Defoe, Wilshere and Begovic have cost that club a fortune in transfer fee's and wages.

Dyche is an infinitely better manager who has done a better job at Burnley with peanuts to spend.

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02 Nov 2017 12:58:57
Sacking RK was a mistake.

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02 Nov 2017 14:11:29
Lets face it who had heard of Pochitino before he went to southampton.

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02 Nov 2017 11:05:36
I just can't get excited about the game this evening.
At the start of our campaign this season both in Europe and the league, I was so looking forward to both.
We were signing players who looked like they would transform the squad into a team who would play fast attacking football and would have a really good go in the Europa League, with night time football under the floodlights at the old lady back on the menu.
Fast forward 3 months and I really can't believe how much we've let ourselves down, to the point where I'm really not that bothered whether I watch the game later or not.
Oh well, rant over, time to find a tall tree and short rope : (.

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02 Nov 2017 09:25:35
The first Team needs a drastic overhaul and it should have begun tonight. Baines, Jags, Rooney left at home shows to me that Mr Unsworth has no intention of doing the overhaul the team drastically needs and fully intends to play them with Williams against Watford. Beginning tonight the Team should be/ could have been: Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Keane (if fit) , Garbutt. Scheiderlin (Gueye) . Lookman, Siguurdson, Vasic. Calvert Lewelin, Sandro. I fear that this will not happen under anyone other than a fresh face.

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02 Nov 2017 10:11:56
I did say that it was unlikely that Unsworth would make drastic changes to the team RK played. We need to steady the ship maybe include a new face if possible but not wholesale changes. bigduncsmum your team looks great on paper but there are only two really experienced players both out of form and lookman and vlasic hardly do any defending so both the young rb/ lb will be put under the cosh. I can't even see a new manager going with that selection.

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02 Nov 2017 11:01:44
Also got to think about qho is in rhe squad. Pretty sure Garbutt classes as over 23 and must have been named in original squad.
Normally I would say play your best team in every game but unfortunately we need to prioritise the league atm because we are perilously close to getting cut adrift and ending up in a relegation battle.

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01 Nov 2017 23:42:17
How about Ranieri, league winner and did it with bang average players.

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02 Nov 2017 07:28:56
He did it with kante Mahrez and Vardy who are all far from bang average.

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