Everton Banter Archive March 02 2015

02 Mar 2015 22:44:45
Who else believes that Alan Stubbs is one of the leading (perhaps even the first choice) candidate to replace RM - albeit a couple of seasons earlier than expected and in far worse circumstances than expected?

02 Mar 2015 23:03:36
Nope he's not for me.

02 Mar 2015 23:05:35
He probably is sid but it would be the first step on a slippery slope for me mate. We need experience and a big name for me but unfortunately as a club we just don't think big as the candidates on the list lasttime proved. Realistic targets should be billic and deboer but to be honest I think martinez will be here at the start of next season regardless of what happens between now and then anyway.

03 Mar 2015 08:48:46
I really don't understand the obsession with old players coming back to manage the club, this is from the past and is proven not the way forward in this league today, it is no longer about a 'love or passion' for the club they once represented but about getting results, that is the foremost target and how they achieve and survive. The modern day manager is like a player in his own right, and seeks success and reward in the same way.

03 Mar 2015 11:01:57
Wakka: I pretty much agree with most of your post

However the 'run through a brick wall' feeling for our beloved Everton Football Club, would be a great asset if it was applied by a tactical genius who could instill the aforementioned into the team etc.

Does he exist though?

Me personally :

Short term I prefer a tough 'Pulisesque' type to get this squad organised properly.

Long term just give me a manager who will adapt to what he has at his disposal and doesn't worry about the short ball or the long ball just play the right ball ffs.

03 Mar 2015 11:08:15
I'd have rhino before stubbly.

03 Mar 2015 14:10:58
To many on here want to look back and not forwards, and not only that it's not as if either Stubbs or Unsworth were great players either and can you imagine good players wanting to sign for them no me either. Just because Martinez is not working out means we to go for yard dogs who are more than likely fully entrenched with hoofball tactics, and this run through a brick wall mentality only Mourinho is capable of getting players do that not two plodders from Everton's not so glorious past.

03 Mar 2015 14:42:40
Difficult to say who could come in, a lot of posters fancied Koeman but saints are now starting to falter and with no European commitments, Pulis short term but its back to Moyes style, managers like Mourinho great but will never happen, Pochitinho probably get axed end of season by Levy but realistically no one else at a prem league club I personally think as a long term replacement.
Ideally RM should eat some humble pie take a leaf from Brenda's book and readjust our playing style to suit the players!

03 Mar 2015 16:36:04
Long term new manager would prefer UK based, the main one for me would be Steve McClaren, who did well as assistant at Man U, did well at Middlesborough and Holland. Encourages good football. I think the only mistakes he made was referring to certain player as Stevie Gee and taking a brolly to a football match. As Derby are looking good for promotion probably wouldn't stand a chance to get him before season end anyway. Gary Monk at Swansea one to look at for future. A 'foreign' manager may well demand a large transfer kitty.
If new manager needed to get out of the mess to end of season, only Peter Reid comes to mind.

{Ed025's Note - reid would be my choice as well keenone..

03 Mar 2015 22:55:55
Reid is a dinosaur his time has gone as far as football management is concerned shame though as he was a great player.

{Ed007's Note - He's still a mere whippersnapper compared to Ed025 though.}

04 Mar 2015 08:45:27
Hoddle I feel would be a good replacement too

02 Mar 2015 22:18:34
It boils down to this: we're currently on 28 points and we need to get to the magical 40 point mark and hope that's good enough. That means another 12 points, which could be done with 4 wins. We've still to play four of the teams currently below us - QPR (away), Burnley (home), Aston Villa (away) and Sunderland (home). The points are vital, but so is the need to keep these sides below us. If we can't do that, then we don't deserve to stay up.
Does RM have it in him to make our team get those results? I wonder.
Ho hum.
:-(

{Ed025's Note - im sure you were thinking the same before the WBA and leicester games sid...once you are in the mire mate it gets harder, confidence gets lower and players are scared to make mistakes..

02 Mar 2015 22:40:00
Ed025: I know that I've turned completely about-face from being an avid RM supporter to now being a thoroughly disenchanted hyper-critic, but what is it that has turned you against him, as at one point I'm sure you also thought well of him?

{Ed025's Note - i will be honest sid...i loved the guy..i have this terrible habit of seeing the best in people, i really believed his rhetoric and was a sucker for wanting us to be the school of science again, but even mugs like me can only take so much mate, it has got to a stage where i dont like watching the team, and i spend the whole game cursing and moaning incessantly, the enjoyment and magic has gone and its all down to this fraud of a manager..

02 Mar 2015 23:03:59
Ed025: It hurts to feel conned, doesn't it? To the credit to those posters who didn't want him from the start, they're not giving us (the former believers) the "I told you so" treatment" - they're hurting just like every Evertonian and only want the best for our beloved club.

03 Mar 2015 09:22:13
I think he swept in with his open and positive attitude that was a breath of fresh air from dour Dave, he then got us playing in a more confident style and all was rosy first season, however like teams that adapt this style they get found out, and as our season degraded he sailed on happily with the same style professing that things would improve, what has disappointed fans is that he has not realised the mistake and changed anything to get a different result!

03 Mar 2015 11:24:05
Good point that Sid, do you think it is because the majority of those who didn't want him in the first place were also taken in during last season?

The couple of lads I know who did not like the idea of him when he was appointed, changed their minds during last season, now they are just concerned about the club like the rest of us rather than doing the "I told you so" routine.

02 Mar 2015 20:57:23
Even our most successful manager, Howard Kendall, needed players who truly believed in "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum". Players like Southall who demanded excellence from himself and others. Players like Sheedy who could effectively deliver their superior ability on the pitch. Players like Gray who would put their bodies on the line. Players like Reid who would drive the team with sheer grit and determination.
Is there any current player this season that has performed consistently of their best? More importantly imho is just how much of this under-performing is down to RM messing with tactics, formations (square pegs in round holes), killing confidence, selecting returning injured players too soon, not using the players' individual and collective strengths, etc., etc. It's no wonder that he now says that the players aren't enjoying the Premier League matches.
It's no good asking RM - and, indeed, BK and the board - to wake up and smell the coffee, as they've clearly lost their sense of smell because the fans know that too many performances at Goodison ths season have well and truly stunk the place out.
Ho. Hum.
:-(

02 Mar 2015 21:54:06
Make Naismith your ca
ptain Joe Royle for me he is totally Nil Satis

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me mushy..

02 Mar 2015 22:59:24
Though it saddens me to say this, our club's primary (perhaps only) aim for for the remainder of this season MUST be to stay in the Premier League. The Europa League - no matter how tempting the rewards are - MUST not be allowed to adversely affect our fight against relegation. Whatever it takes to survive - even the most boring negative "parasite" football as long as it gets results and points, or a change of management, or the dropping of favourite players, or whatever else it takes - is all that now matters. Our club's very existence is at stake in my humble opinion, as relegation would be a financial disaster and we might be a long time outside the top tier.
Once we've survived this season, then let's have a major reassessment of where we stand at the end of the season and where we want to be and how we get there - with no avenue to be left unexplored.

02 Mar 2015 14:10:53
To use travelling and tiredness as excuses for poor performances is an absolute joke. They don't exactly travel tourist class, tolerate queues at check in to find a flight is 2 hrs late as Joe public who live in the real world have to put up with eg Thomson holidays etc. Other than to Russia and Eastern block countries most journey are within a few hours. Didn't hear travel complaints following the jolly break in Qatar recently.

02 Mar 2015 12:13:16
Looking back at this season we have only beaten West Brom, Burnley, Crystal Palace away. Queens Park Rangers, West Ham, Aston Villa at home. Only West Ham are in the top half and they had Sakho song Valencia and downing out injured. This season has been the worst I can remember in a long time. Zero entertainment in the league, it's a credit to our fans that we have filled the ground nearly every game. Quite clear that Bobby has prioritised Europe at the detriment of our league form. Would love to see us win in Europe but if we get into champion league we will be embarrassed by the likes of Real and Barcelona.

02 Mar 2015 12:50:37
It would be tough going from Rotherham to the Bernabau but that won't happen anyway; there is no way we will win the the EL. Sadly, I'm less confident about facing Rotherham next year.

02 Mar 2015 13:14:37
Here's a thought: if our Premier League campaign to date was being judged like a boxing match, would it be stopped now in order to avoid further punishment - not least to the long-suffering supporters? We could become the first team to be relegated by a Technical Knockout (TKO) decison! Then, like an over-the-top boxer, we'd be cannon fodder for the up-and-coming challengers - only ours would be lower-tier football clubs with ambition and attitude and a workable strategy, while we languish - punch drunk and forgotten and forlorn - as a former "big" club with its history a fading memory and its future a bleak prospect.
:-(

02 Mar 2015 19:21:24
I was looking at the league tables with a villa fan in work today and we were going through teams who started the Premier league when it began and also teams that have had a run in the top flight. We looked at your Leeds, both Sheffield clubs, Coventry, Bolton, Swindon as he was under the impression that if both of us did go down we would bounce back up. Not many teams do and I don't believe we would if we fell. Could we be the next Leeds United. I hope not, but fear it is inevitable with this clown and his circus.

{Ed025's Note - fred karno had nothing on this guy gray..

02 Mar 2015 09:29:35
1 win in 11 games in the league. that's the first thing to hit me as I woke this morning. Its a frightening statistic, a statistic that would see most managers relieved of there job. That deja vu feeling came to mind, while Wigan under Martinez where sweeping teams aside in the FA cup when they won it, they where in free fall in the leauge and on there way into the championship, alarm bells ringing yet?. While i'm clinging on to the belief that there are three teams worse than us and we will be safe, the stark reality is we could go down if Martinez doesn't pull his finger outta his ar*e and that doesn't even bare thinking about.

02 Mar 2015 09:38:38
PLUS - the one win we did have was against QPR at home wasn't it?
Basically they actually played better than us and we got 3 deflected goals to win 3-1 (barkley's shot was missing the target) - we were very lucky to win that game - so without that we wouldn't have won any in 13!

02 Mar 2015 07:28:17
Everton call themselves the peoples club. What a load of bulls. That is. The supporters are unhappy, fans all over the world collectively are bleeding together, we are all fearing relegation and what has anyone said or done above Martinez done. Nothing! Kenwright your silence is an absolute slap in the face to all supporters. Last year when we were flying high he was everywhere! I am so sick of putting positive spins on losses. Sack him pay the man out because if we survive this season and we have this spanish clown next season we will be going down for sure!

02 Mar 2015 11:33:12
Aussie:

'Emperors (BK's)new clothes'

Roberto 'your team looks good your majesty '

BK 'They do? '

BK 'Well err your'e right as usual Roberto of course they do'

02 Mar 2015 06:40:04
Expect the public vote of confidence to be announced from BK and the board!

{Ed025's Note - their silence has been deafening wakka..

02 Mar 2015 08:27:58
Ed025 quite frustrating that with the media starting to question Everton's results lately that he normally jumps to a managers defence, unfortunately I believe the Europa league success is clouding the bigger picture!

{Ed025's Note - europa success will mean nothing if we go down wakka, our bread and butter is the premier league and if we dont stay in that then the club as we know it will be finished!, im sure bill knows this and that his investment in the club will be worth nothing if the worst was to happen mate, so over to you bill..

02 Mar 2015 02:25:00
'Roberto Martinez's side once again failed to transfer impressive European results to the Premier League, in which they have taken 11 points from their last 15 matches and could yet be dragged into a relegation battle.' BBC Sport.

Has any other team performed that badly over their last 15 games? I'll bet there aren't 3 other teams.

We're in serious trouble.

02 Mar 2015 10:48:24
Apparently he has said in an interview that Everton are not enjoying the league games and they feel 'more like a chore' compared to the EL, so is that the players or the manager feeling that? FFS sort it out someone at the club! The PL pays all the wages not the EL!

02 Mar 2015 01:38:41
I doubt that this would even register, but with enough numbers it might, so what about a "formal" online petition demanding this mans removal, we have to do something to rid our club of this unrepentant, arrogant, fraud.

01 Mar 2015 22:32:14
how much more do we have to take, of this terrible football! and the one season wonder mr not smartinez!i honestly cannot bare to watch the laughing stock he has the cheek to call football! he is trying to take us all for a ride! us scousers know our football and its not working, bobby!i am touching the 50 yrs old mark now, and I have been privelaged to watch my everton team from an early age in the days of lawson, dobson, lyons, pejic, nulty, darracot, kenyon, higgins etc never talented! but watchable and actually went forward! then the best team I have ever seen! solid keeper! steady defence, driving midfield! strikeforce who gave everything for the team! I was heart broken when that side got torn apart because of them others across the way! heartbroken in all them derby defeats and robbed results from dodgy refereeing! heartbroken the day we sold rooney!angry with peter johnston, lescott, and the two faced rotten back stabber, moyes calling our club! but words cannot describe what I am actually feeling now! I was took in by bobbys start and had high hopes but was has happened from as early as pre season when he should have been here organising for the new season and not sitting in brazil spinning his magic tongue to the tv world!leaving us behind all the rest and never able to recover! how can a man become so self obsessed with his philosphies and phenominal football that goes backwards, sideways, backwards, sideways, ands then DOWN!please bobby! for the sake of our mighty club, GO! because NOTHING BUT THE BEST IS GOODS ENOUGH! AND YOU don't FIT THE BILL!