Everton Banter Archive June 02 2014

 

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02 Jun 2014 20:44:29
ed02, just a reminder about that update on our targets

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{Ed025's Note - he has said he will sort it in a week or 2 swan, hes a busy guy, but it will be worth waiting for, as he is the main man..

He did ask him to remind him Monday to be fair Ed

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{Ed025's Note - i know mate but the guy is run off his feet at the moment what with the world cup and all, he is very much in demand, and will get to us as soon as possible..

Ed speedo 25
"Very much in demand" I thought he runs a rodeo clown business

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02 Jun 2014 19:07:18
Hi ed002 if you've got the time could you do A list of the players you know what we are interested in thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - Try me in a week or two and we will give it a shot.}

02 Jun 2014 21:12:15
Ok ed thanks for that

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02 Jun 2014 19:39:17
There is a general opinion that playing Thursdays and Sundays because of the Europa League is detrimental to a team's Premier League form. How is that different from playing Wednesdays and Saturdays in the Champions League - especially as the CL opposition will (generally) be better quality and the matches against them more demanding? Besides, because of television, there will be Premier League fixtures on Saturdays and Sundays and Monday evenings - all of which would be as disruptive to a team's routine, so I'm beginning to wonder about the Thursday/Sunday argument. I'm now beginning to think the teams that suffered in previous seasons were looking for an easy excuse for their failures and blamed Thursday/Sunday fixtures.
Would anyone like to give a plausible reason for the problems with Thursday/Sunday fixtures - especially as matches are spread over several days for television and the full Saturday 3:00pm fixture list is a thing of the past?

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I think it is just the same as the Champions League. You have the Premier, the FA and League cups and then the extra games that come with Europe. That's why the Champions League regulars have bigger or should I say stronger squads. The CL gives the extra money to buy higher quality fringe players but Europa just gives extra games with no extra profit.

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{Ed002's Note - It is experience, profile, advertising, the chance to get some sponsors in, but as you say, not a great deal for winning. You can opt out if you want.}

I think there is no difference at all between the rigors of playing champ league footy and saturday/ sunday games and the europa league thurs game and sun/mon game, the only real difference is generally speaking (man utd, man city, chelsea, arsenal, spurs and liverpool) who all have qualified for champions league football in the past few seasons have had considerably bigger squads than the teams who have qualified in the europa league in the past. I think our saving grace will be the kids who have developed within the club and externally on loan last season, combined with permanant transfers bobby will be looking at this summer will put us in a better position to compete on multiple fronts as opposed to previous seasons and teams who have qualified for the europa in the past (ourselves included).

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The winners this year get a CL place next year so its worth going for also the last couple of times we were in it we didn't have a bad season because of it if memory serves. grbefc

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I don't want us to opt out Ed002. I want us to win it!

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That extra 24 hrs recuperation by the opposition makes a difference. Take Chelsea who will play say Wednesday and then Saturday or Sunday will have a 24 hr advantage over Everton. On top of this, Chelsea who have a seasoned squad for Europe would not be new to them. Swansea and Newcastle were first time round Europa league entrants without being able to significantly strengthen their squads. Everton will be in the same boat, albeit with a manager with a bit more savvy. I still worry about the knock on effect though.

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02 Jun 2014 19:26:28
Now I know that RM wants a bigger squad, but here's a thought: would you prefer the club to prioritise its money for improved/longer contracts for our key talents and only then invest what's left on incoming players OR should we use most of our money on bringing in new players and defer improving/lengthening existing contracts. Ideally, we should be doing a big of both, but which would you prefer to take precedence? I'm mindful that part of RM's bigger squad will be achieved by giving the brightest & best of our U-21 and U-18 players an opportunity if they prove worthy, so I'm unsure as to how many incoming transfers we'll actually end up with - especially considering that we've only released three players so far (Vellios, Springthorpe and Touray) and have offered contract extensions to several others and contracts to several scholars - all of which means we already have a fair sized playing staff.

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{Ed025's Note - it is as you say sid a balancing act, but for me the boost of at least 1 big name arriving will surely lift all the club and its supporters..

02 Jun 2014 18:38:21
So, after the fuss made by the club about Joe Royle being lined up as 'Development Director', it's been announced that he's becoming a football consultant at Norwich City. Even RM spoke a few weeks ago - albeit tentatively and without confirming anything at that time - about JR working with our club again, so you have to wonder what's going on, as RM is usually very careful about what he says.
I have absolutely no inside information, but IMHO there's something not quite right at the 'development' level (which I take to be players aged 19 to 23) between the pre-RM coaches (like Stubbs) and RM's own men (like Lawrence). I get the impression that Stubbs likes to run his area his way - and doesn't want 'interference' from Lawrence (the nominal development coach). Likewise, he might not have liked the prospect of a 'development director'.
It's just a feeling I've got about this - and Stubbs has always been a top bloke and true Evertonian - so if anyone can offer an informed view, then I would very much welcome it. Even the usual conspiracy theorists might have an insight that's plausible for once ;-)

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02 Jun 2014 18:07:09
Here is my view of the situation (which I know will be ridiculed by Swan. but you can't win em all).
We have dealt well in the transfer market the last 2 windows and should have surplus cash left over. I mean from the Felli deal and Jelavic deals. Rodwell also brought a bit in. We have spent far less than these deals brought in. Added to that we have last seasons tv money and this seasons tv money. So all in all we have a big bag of cash (compared to recent seasons).
Lukaku will sign for a Champions League team or stay at Chelski. We might get him on loan again, but that is unlikely in my view. Barry is 50:50. Both were key to our great season. Europa League will put a strain on our squad. So we need to sign 6 or 7 players. I predicted this about 4 months ago only to have a load of abuse for being negative. I like to think I am being realistic not negative! If I was RM, I would offer 30 million for Bony now. I would look at which kids can be brought into the 1st team squad and bring in 2 or 3. Like Moyes did last time we were in Europa. I would then hope and pray that Kone, Alcaraz and Gibson can play more than 5 games without dropping. If it looks like they can't, I would move them on and still bring in another 5 or 6 players using loans, free agents or whatever. I would also reward players now who deserve it. eg McCarthy, Barkley and Stones. I would then pray to God that the new players fitted into the system and stick to the current main core of players for at least the first quarter of the season. If Bony would not sign, I really don't know what we will do? Other suggestions will be welcomed. but I don't see many 20 goals a season center forwards available in our financial bracket.

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{Ed025's Note - a good and very fair assessment of our situation there degs, not a lot to argue with for me mate..

Batashyui for £7m Young, Skilfull, Quick, Strong, Can hold the ball up, Confident, Knows where the net is! Belgian! 18 Goals this year at 20! For £7m would be a bargain and we could get bony for £20 because Swansea are getting castaignos which means they are willing to sell!

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Why 30 mill for Bony when his price tag is 20, I believe we have about 35 40 mill to spend most of TV money goes towards costs players wages and general bills all season long. I remember Elstone saying that out of every pound Everton makes 78 pence goes towards players wages.Just saying you can spend a portion of it but the majority of it goes on wages.

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{Ed025's Note - im with degsy on this one stef, i think it will take a lot nearer £30m than £20m to land bony mate..

Probably ed but only if a bidding war starts however would you pay 30 mill for him that's a lot dosh for Everton to spend on one player.

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{Ed025's Note - i would pay whatever it takes stef, its the one position i feel we are short of top quality, a suit from matalan will look ok, but one from savile row will really stand out, sometimes paying big money makes all the difference mate.. :)

Fair point ed, but my only problem with spending 30 mill on one player is that we are not Chelsea or City we need at least five or six players coming in with all the games we have next season and our budget is roughly around the 40 mill mark mate 30 mill on one player won't cut it for us considering the amount of injuries we seem to get in a season, but I understand your point mate.

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{Ed025's Note - your right about beefing up the squad stef, but with bobbys contacts and insight, he may be able to do that on a shoestring, giving us that marquee signing that i certainly crave, and also bolster the squad with some good loans and signings from under the radar mate..

Ye maybe your right ed I never looked at it that way I was just viewing it by the dollar mate, and yes I would love a big signing aswell let's hope Martinez does it again in the market and gives the haters something to moan about again.

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Dear Stef, please allow me to chip back in. in one of my other posts below, you will see that I predict a horrible transfer window where clubs will do their best to hold onto players. I also suspect players to put in transfer requests which these days is rare because they give up their 10% when they do this. I expect 95% to happen on the last day. I also expect fees to be quite extraordinary. I said 30 million for Bony because papers are saying 20 million. Believe me, Swansea know that if they show any sign of letting him go, there will be a bidding war. Like Ed025 says, 30 million will be more realistic. Who knows the exact fee? None of us for sure. I was just trying to suggest we make an offer difficult to refuse. I would use most of our funds for him for the reasons Ed explained. We need 20 goals a season from our center forward whoever it is. I would not have signed Kine for 6 million or whatever it was. I would have kept that with the Jelavic money and added some of the felli money and ensured we had a decent center forward. By the way, I had a look at Batashyui and yes he also looks a great prospect. Worth a go I would say. I suspect both him and Lukaku and Bony are really out of our ability to sign. That is exactly why I suggest a silly offer in now before the world cup finishes and all the Champions League teams start signing all the rosey apples at the top of the tree. The Batshuyi or however you spell it situation has already started. Rumours of Arsenal etc. Same as Bony. We need to be quick in.

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I believe RM knows who he wants and is realistic enough to accurately assess the situation regarding Lukaku and Barry and therefore is making the moves behind the scene to improve the squad.
Personally, I would like Michy as our striker.

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{Ed025's Note - i have complete faith in bobby fancy..

I truly hope he is able to bring in a top quality center forward able to score 20 a season. It will be a very difficult thing, but we do have a lot of pundits talking about progress under RM. This has got to help when a player is thinking "Spurs or Everton"? Surely a professional who is offered a position at both would pick us. Other than the top 4 and Man Utd, we would surely be picked over any other Premier club? We might even be ahead of Arsenal with their alleged restrictive wage structure? I think next season will be decided by 2 signings. Our center forward and our holding midfielder to partner McCarthy. The rest of the team picks itself with a reasonable amount of cover. Not forgetting we do not want to lose any key players. I am sure Barkley and Stones will have been watched by Barca, Italians et others around Europe. These are two of the most exciting youngsters I have ever seen (Rooney excepted) coming through so quickly. I guess I can add Steve McMahon to that as well. Yes 3 things to hope for: keeping our squad, signing a 20 goal center forward and a holding midfielder. That's my view anyway.

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I like Michy too mate. But he is in a poorer league and so there is always a little doubt over ability to step up. I would make him my plan b after 30 million for Bony which is funnily enough where this conversation started.

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03 Jun 2014 07:46:26
Swansea have released today that there value of Bony is at £19m.

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02 Jun 2014 15:53:02
Negredo (check spelling) would be a great addition and might be available in the summer would love it if Martinez pulled that one out of the bag.

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{Ed025's Note - im a fan too stef..

Bony's release clause is at 19 mil. Only a bidding war will put the price up. Bony will have to make a choice whether he wants to be the main man at Everton or a squad player at Arsenal with others possibly coming in. Chelsea the same and Liverpool filling the place already. At 8 to 1 with the bookies it is worth a punt he comes to our side of Stanley Park.

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02 Jun 2014 11:10:24
A budget in Everton's case is what the bank allows us to have. It won't be easy to get good guys in and to expand for the Europa league. Good business last year should have got us a profit I hope. Less time to be spent on footballers but sponsors such as Red Bull, a Russian Oligarch or an Arab Royal. We can go the Liverpool route or the QPR route in a couple of years. We just don't have the Brand name only loyal support.

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20th, the most popular brand in the world?

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Thats not how economics work. Our loans at the bank will have interest and repayment minimums, probably maximums as well, banks don't want the money back quickly they want the interest. Anyway us generarting more money through any means does not mean the bank can suddenly demand more of a repayment anyway, that would be our decision to make as a club.
In simple terms if you have a mortgage, just because you win the lottery does not mean you need to pay the mortgage off at a faster rate, it would be advisable as it would save you money in the long run but it is by no means required.
So no, we decide how much money we have to spend the banks will simply demand the repayment terms of our loans are met which would be the same no matter what income we generated

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When I say the banks I mean what our repayment terms are. Maybe in the financials and I admit I have not looked at that. It would be interesting to know what cash surplus was produced over the season after accounting for wages as well. Albeit said, there are other teams out there (brands) who will be in a better position to spend. I hope RM can use is undoubted personal influence to attract players. Does someone out there know what the transfer balances were over the last 4 years. That will be a key indicator of what will happen in the coming months. Everton can still make losses with transfer surpluses; remember that.

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