Everton Banter Archive July 02 2013

02 Jul 2013 23:20:15
Honda has agreed terms with Milan he should sign shortly, gutterd tbh he would of fitted into are team really well, Garstonblue

If we were seriously interested i'm gutted he would of been a quality, cheap and a good footballer, would of slotted striaght in, seems is agent has seen a few extra quid because he clearly would of had more game time with us, I hope for his sake he dosnt spend the season making cameos for the last 10 mins

MikeDeBlue {Ed025's Note - he aint gone anywhere yet mike..

I know he hasn't but all the signs are the ed, I will be as gutted as the niang deal seen him a few times last year and he looks like a future star

MikeDeBlue

02 Jul 2013 23:01:56
Can't believe media are even entertaining the fact of Rooney coming back to Everton. It's not going to happen until he's about 32! We can't afford his wages. Would love him back but it's just not going to happen!

TC

How do you know Rooney won't come ack to us? Theses no way he go to Chelsea or arseanl because his sons and all of the family are mad on Everton colleen is a big Everton fan {Ed025's Note - its very naive to think he will make a decision based on who he supports...cash is king..

03 Jul 2013 03:58:14
Agreed, all the talk about Rooney coming back probably won't happen, but I've said before on this site there's no point him coming back when he's 33, that's just taking the piss, if he genuinely wants to come back it has to be done sooner rather than later, if Baines goes to the Mancs offer them swap deal or try and get him with the Fellaini money

I agree theses no way Rooney go to Chelsea or arseanl its not allways about cash at some point he will have to take a pay cut.

03 Jul 2013 14:35:08
Why would Rooney not go to Chelsea or Arsenal, he already committed the cardinal sin signing for the Mancs, so going to either London team is not a problem should he choose to do so

02 Jul 2013 22:34:13
the media are a bunch of jackanory mongers!just read one article stating the boyhood liverpool supporter would have no guilt about leaving the team he once deamed his enemy! get a life you bunch of sh 1 t stirrers! no your facts before you start writing s***! he always been a blue! fact!

I seen a youtube video a few years ago on another forum of Everton fans at 1995 cup final & Leighton Baines is in the middle of them celebrating. I did search youtube but can't find it, if anyone else has a link to it can they post it just to stop all these rumours that he supports LFC.

JoeMc - EFC

I was in the same class as leighton in all saints kirkby! he's a blue that's a fact! j kelly kirkby bluenose!

02 Jul 2013 21:43:10
the three players that would ensure we could challenge for a top four place would auybamyang up front fer in midfield and nacer chadli on the wing auybamyang is the complte forward we have been missing links play superbly and can then get in the box to finish off the chances fer is the midfield enforcer and box to box midfielder and chadli is a little like super kev and he is very creative and can also finish and make something out of nothing I watched thes three for the entire season just gone via ESPN so have seen plenty of them to make a judgement.

Hasn't Auybamyang gone to Dortmund or someone like that?

TV

That post was meant to be TC not TV

TC

03 Jul 2013 02:21:21
dont know why poeple are so obssesed with FER, he's not even a starter for holland u21s and the only other team to show interest are norwich, if he's that good i'm sure other teams would be in for him as 8-10m is not much these days

02 Jul 2013 20:48:27
If we fail to bring in Honda do you have any idea who Martinez will try to bring in instead Ed? {Ed025's Note - no mate..

02 Jul 2013 20:30:02
Dont mean to be negative but if we are to improve our current squad, shouldn't we be buying or at the very least trying to sign players of a better quality than kone an alcaraz, I have nothing against either of them and think they will add some depth to the squad but I personally don't think they will get us any further up the table this season. Anyone agree?

Also ed do u think we will see anymore activity in the transfer market after kone and alcaraz has signed?

Baz {Ed025's Note - yes i do baz, at least another 2 mate..

I think we might keep Baines but sell Felli meaning we will bring in another 3-4 if that happens IMO.

02 Jul 2013 19:38:40
So with kone and alcaraz done, any idea who is next ed?is that it for strikers for us this summer! {Ed025's Note - i think that will depend on whether or not we sign honda mate, or sell anyone..

02 Jul 2013 19:09:37
Ed's do we actually have interest in Redmond?, not that I believe sky, but what's the point of going for ince around the apparent £8m mark, when redmond is 2 or 3 mill? {Ed025's Note - i dont think we are in for either mate..

02 Jul 2013 18:05:59
Ed do replies automatically show up below the rumour now? That's ace!

02 Jul 2013 20:01:22
guys just seen riquelme at the lobster pot on lord street. he's on his way. finally.

DaviewEfc

Never. He about 37yr old {Ed025's Note - i think he is yanking our chain mate..

03 Jul 2013 02:25:36
long standing joke, he'd of clearly been in las iguanas if he was here the lobster pot ain't his style

02 Jul 2013 19:18:06
Does anybody else think we should have gone for Marc Muniesa on a free from Barca rather than going for Alcaraz? Muniesa only 21, would have rather took a chance with him than let him go to Stoke!

Not keen on Spanish defenders even though he is at Barcelona I have always thought there centre backs are overated

He's a rb a position we're well stocked in so no

Right back centre back makes no difference Spanish teams can't defend as we have seen lately brazil ripped them to pieces and so did the Germans in champions league Barcelona have not needed to defend much over the years that's why the defenders stand out so much

He's not a RB, he's a CB/LB

He can't be that good a player with only the mighty Elche, Real Betis and Stoke competing for his prized signature. No big loss at all and I'd be surprised if he gets on the bench this season, or the next 3.

He looks very lightweight. If he was half decent he wouldn't be going to stoke on a free.

02 Jul 2013 19:01:07
Apologies if this has been covered by other posts, but in addition to rumours about some players being glad to see David Moyes leave, are some other staff at Everton taking a similar view. For example, is Robert Elstone happier working with Roberto Martinez than he was with David Moyes?
Would Alan Myers have returned as Communications Director if David Moyes was still here?
Does Alan Stubbs still have bad feelings about his departure to Sunderland - even though he did return?
Me a conspiracy theorist - surely not?

I think you read too much into things you don't last 10 years if your not liked moyes was great for our club end of story he took us from being a complete mess to top 6 he restructured our club too many fans are just bitter he landed the top job due to what he done at our club yes he made mistakes but look at the bigger picture

I agree that David Moyes did wonders for our club - even if he wasn't every fan's cup of tea with some of his tactics and choice of player. I was just suggesting that some of those players and staff still at Everton might not have been too upset to see him go because there might have been a cooling/hardening of working relationships over the years. I've no hard evidence - let alone any gossip - it's just my personal observation, no more, no less, and probably a complete misinterpretation of the situation.

No you have it right Sid. Quite a few were relieved to see him go as he was getting too big for his boots. He was very arrogant and ignorant and stopped communicating with some. You couldn't make a cup of tea without his blessing in his latter years.

02 Jul 2013 18:47:03
What's so bad about Kone? He scored 12ish goals in his debut season with a relegated team? Yes he's getting on a bit, but he still has pace and can finish

Average. Poor, uninspiring player. 1 goal in three seasons at sevilla. Gutted

02 Jul 2013 18:18:55
tv are saying that everton will sign arouna kone and Antolin Alcaraz tomorrow and we are expressing an interest in Blackpool winger Thomas ince hope it's all true Martinez will build a great squad he can get Honda and leroy fer loan out Barkley vellios and anichebe coyb then see magaye gueye for 5 million and sell John heitinga for 4 million there's 9 million to sign leroy fer coyb champions league comming very soon for everton

Don't want barkley out on loan needs to stay and Martinez will play him regular this season

Your in dream land if you think we would get 5m for maggie

So, let me understand this. Kone, Alcatraz and Ince will get you into the top 4. Madness!

Loan out Barkley? Magaye 5m?

No way IMHO will Barkley go out on loan this season. This is the season he'll be given a chance - and I'm confident he'll take it - to become a regular first-teamer. If he stays free of injury, he should - with Roberto Martinez encouraging him and coaching him wisely and using him in a team framework that employs astute tactics - develop into the top class Everton senior player that we all anticipate he should.

Too much sugar!

02 Jul 2013 17:54:18
I think kone will do well up front taking the ease off jelavic both will feed off each other

02 Jul 2013 17:35:13
Hopin after the two wigan boys we sign a player like honda or of that quality and a young player maybe sinclair. And a gk. what are the chances of 3 more like this ed? Then I think we'll be ok. Obviously then if baines and fella go or just one of em we can address that problem straight away to. Then with some of the young players comin thru I think we'll do well. Well i'll be behind em as usual coyb

02 Jul 2013 17:12:48
Kone and Alcaraz our first signings,, both 30 or just about.

KONE IS JUST UNDER 1 GOAL EVERY 3 GAMES.
He is a CF we don't need, we have better strikers at Goodison, He won't improve his goals with us. NOT A HOPE.

Alcaraz. Good defender but Injury prone,,

Tell me any other top 6 club, pick up relegated players. ?

No only EFC, Two damp squids coming our way. {Ed025's Note - you may be surprised by them damp squibs biffy..

Ed. how many goals of KONE by xmas. he will have to score 10 in all comps to justify. I reckon 6 at the most,, that will be about 21-22 games. And the other fella, we are taking a chance with injuries. I know its a free, but still wages. {Ed025's Note - with the service he will get with us biffy...quite a few mate..

I trust Roberto Martinez's judgement, as he's the professional football manager, whereas I imagine the vast majority of posters are just mere fans with opinions based on rather limited knowledge of the players - we don't know a player on a day-to-day basis, we haven't seen them in regular training, we don't know for sure their strength of character, etc.
I'm reminded of a TV World Cup panel years ago when Malcolm Allison (I never liked him and thought he was vastly overrated) was criticising Alan Mullery (OK - not the greatest player for England, but he had a successful playing career) and Mullery asked Allison, "show me your caps", which shut up the Fedora-wearing "person". I'm tempted to ask some posters, "show me your managerial/coaching record; show me your trophies and your medals"!
Whinge over - pompous moi?

I have always rated Kone and was surprised when we went for Jelly and not Kone last year. I thought he was a great signing for Wigan. Last season Jelly was awful. People blame Moyes for making him work the channels, but in today's modern game you cannot carry an old fashioned non working centre forward. Not in the Premier League anyway. And if Jelly becomes a poorer player because he is asked to run about a bit, then I am batman. Kone scored 11 goals in a relegated team and works hard. We created so many chances last season we should have scored bagfuls of goals. Victor was much improved and by the end of the season deserved his starting position in the team. Way ahead of Jelly's performances. I would say Kone and Victor will both be fighting for starting places. Jelly might even be third choice unless his form improves. Us having 3 Centre Forwards fighting for a place can only be good for the team. As for Alcaraz. good player. I remember people saying Peter Reid was always injured. then he signed for us. Alcaraz is cheaper than Reidy was. Give them a chance eh?
Degsypulford

Is this guy really an Everton supporter as I've never heard him say a positive thing about them.

Biffy, you really do need to change your medication mate

Give the guy a chance! He hasn't even signed yet, but still you moan about him. I remember thinking why the hell have we signed Kevin Campbell, when we need a proper goal scorer. Had to admit I was wrong. Hope you, and a few others can admit to being wrong if he does well. Blue Lee {Ed025's Note - i remember gibbo getting the same treatment lee..

Im sure that both Biffy and Mushy are twins as they both seem to share the same miserable gene.

02 Jul 2013 16:59:40
Not sure what all the negativity is about?
If Kone does sign then its not the end of the world! He's a good player for gods sake. Scored 12 goals last season, may not seem much for a striker but don't forget he was playing for a team who regularly got beat Plus, I didn't see Anichebe or Jelavic scoring that many last season for a team who finished 7th? Noone knows what he's going to be like until them first couple of games. Now please stop with all negative posts and actually think about what he could do for us.
13yearoldgirl
season ticket holder {Ed025's Note - i wish we had more supporters like you 13yog..

That is a great post kid well said.

Good stuff. And may I take this opportunity to say your grammar is better than most of the elder posters. Keep it coming.

More supporters that don't even know where we finished? And I'd also like to point out shes been 13 for about 2 years now are we in neverland?

Very refreshing and positive OP.

Turned 13 on the 15th of march mate! Thanks everyone else for the comments :)

02 Jul 2013 16:19:55
hi ed. first time posting. i'm an everton fan from swansea. i'd just like to say I really hope baines stays and fellaini too. but if either was to go i'd prefer it to be fellaini. we would get more money for him and in my eyes he would be easier to replace. I hope martinez gives the youngsters more of a chance than moyes but a few signings would be nice. especially a goalscorer. here's hoping. coyb {Ed025's Note - im with you jack..and welcome mate..

02 Jul 2013 15:29:46
Arse fans & Manchester United fans looking down on us and not wanting Fellaini, Moyes and Baines as they are not good enough coming from Everton for their teams, Rooney & Arteta any1!

Same with us, not happy with RM & don't want any wigen players because they are not good enough 4 us coming from Wigen, showing no ambition, etc, etc! Can any1 tell me the last time we dipped in2 Wigen & how that turned out!?

Everton aren't we!

A. Dog

Was it not Wigan that our mr Baines came from!!

When we last went to Wigan for a player, it was for a 24 year old on the same price as we are about to do now, but this time for a player 5 years older.

02 Jul 2013 15:24:52
Sky reporting that Dave Whelen says Kone will join EFC for £5mil in next 24hrs. 1st he informs the world of Roberto moving now Kone, When will Whelen remember he is Chair of Wigan not Everton. Concentrate on the Championship and let Everton get on with announcements they want people to know about.

Maybe Kenwright should communicate with the fans a bit more

02 Jul 2013 15:21:25
5m for Kone? bargain that man is class

02 Jul 2013 16:48:35
Honda would pay for himself in shirt sales, would be a great addition to the team as well as increasing our fan base in Asia, which is already quite large

He would not pay for himself, why do people keep saying this?!

Why do people say that as shirt sales go to our sponsors not the club. {Ed025's Note - your right..

02 Jul 2013 15:00:11
Hi ed how are you? Heard from any of your contacts recently? It looking like we will be signing kone and The other ex Wigan bloke! Which is good for numbers but not going to push us on to the next level! Honda is the only name we have been linked too who will help us achieve more but Milan and Barcelona are also interested so that doesn't look good for us! Tom ince has been mentioned, he a good player and would be happy if we got him but again not enough to push us on! (Not far off though) have you heard anything to get excited about? Thanks ed
Siefc1979 {Ed025's Note - looks like kone and alcaraz will come si..but i think we need a flagship signing, and for me honda fits the bill mate..

Wish people would stop going on about this next level. The sooner people realise we don't have the money to get to that next level the better.

To the replyer, so we will never be able to get the FOUR points behind for the champions league? Love your optimism (NOT) I believe with a few more additions we can be taken to the next level

TC

FOUR points behind for the champions league? What are you talking about because as far I can remember we finished 10 points off 4th last season.

02 Jul 2013 14:32:35
If everton sell fellaini we should look to buy muriel, young, fast, strong, first team experience and can finish. Would be a quality signing but wishful thinking

Murial young? How about pussycat Willem as well

02 Jul 2013 12:40:33
We as fans r loyal to our club and expect all players under contract to have the same loyalty. However DM is no longer part of our club and his loyalties have switched to his no club. I know it hurts but to him it is his job and we would all do what is best for ourselves if we were put in the same position. let's not continue to criticise him for this because at the end of the day if baines askes to stay and the club refuse to sell then there is nothing anybody else can do about it.
Its not long now before the start of the new season and we look to be starting our activity in the transfer market, so let's get some positive banter on here and put moyes in the past.

02 Jul 2013 13:57:22
Im in agreement Mick

If Baines truly doesn't want to leave then it is entirely up to him, players have all the power nowadays.

Lets just hope he signs a new contract and stays with us.

Just heard the rumour about Tom Ince too, what are the thoughts of other posters, I would love him to come to EFC myself.

Regarding Kone, not for me i'm afraid.

Degsy

Moyes himself had a lot to say when man city went after lescott. and also if moyes had a soft spot for everton then he would not undermine r m plans. don't forget by not signing a contract himself then he stopped everton getting comp from man u. and yet we paid wigan comp for r m. no I think efc fans should take a good look at mr moyes and make there own minds up about him. my opinion is something is not right and I was a moyes fan. and I do respect your views micky. t. p.

This has nothing to do with moyes,. he's utds manager. its all about bill kenwright, if we sell Baines are team will be weakened next year no matter who we get in,. he's that important. can't see Baines pushing for a move. just say no its as simple as that. I like others give bill a hard time, prove us wrong. just say no and let's us have that buzz when Baines takes a corner. would be a massive plus u sell Martinez and his sighnings would have added unfair pressure on them. tell moyes to do one

It's not a problem really is it

if united keeping upping their offer we're free to reject or accept it as we see fit

everyone has a price - and eventually Martinez might say that he could do more with a 20 mil striker than he can with a 20 left back

always good to have options

if we want to keep baines we keep him

Tom Ince is an excellent player. I'd love him at our club.8 million, fair enough. What would also be nice is that it will silence a lot of the Swansea and Cardiff are signing players and we're not negative brigade.

Fed up with all this whinging going on at the moment.

COYB
Toffee ace {Ed025's Note - me too ace..

Would love to see Tom Ince at the club. He scores plenty and could be a legend if he scored across the park. I would like a cheeky bid for Anderson; on his day he is fantastic. Just hope Felli stays. If Felli gave us another three years, he would be one of the all time greats.

02 Jul 2013 12:03:48
Gotta say other than Honda and possibly Fer again not to much to get excited about in terms of players rumoured to be coming, Redmond is a bright prospect I just hope RM has something else up his sleeve to win us all over!

Speak for yourself my friend but results will win me over not players we sign or don't sign.

02 Jul 2013 11:50:12
Morning Ed's and all.

Recently, it's been reported around on twitter (yes I know, but there were a few reliable sources) that Fred has a release clause of a mere £1.7 million. Now, if this is true; he is definitely worth looking at (depending on other competition and wages). Any chance or truth in this Ed's?

This is not merely MOTD fever, as he has proven himself to be a successful goalscorer when given the chances, which I feel we can create with him.

Not only that, but I think he would benefit our style of play. In the Confederations Cup, you saw Brazil play a system where Fred was simply a target man who allowed Neymar, Hulk and Oscar the freedom to interchange around them.

I feel that Everton can play the same. Obviously, we need a No. 10 and Honda would be an ideal answer to this. It would then allow Honda, Pienaar and Mirallas a huge amount of flexibility to cause some problems to opposition defences (especially Kev) as well as having a cheap, clinical striker.

However, there is also a flip side to this. Jelavic may have had a poor season last year, but we know that he is a clinical striker when on form and I also feel that he could play the 'Fred' role, meaning that we don't need a new £10 mil + striker.

Just my thought anyways, as I genuinely think we're only a couple players short of an incredible team (without spending millions).

Thought's guys?

If that's true, it's a steal. And if it doesn't work out, the team he signs for will recoup it no doubt if he keeps consistent for Brazil.

Yeahhh - because we'd be the only ones interested in signing a brazilian international for under 2m wouldn't we? - and we're the only team he'd be interested in playing aren't we?

wake up its time for school!

02 Jul 2013 11:36:54
Moyes has no shame, no honor, and no integrity. To the best of my knowledge, Baines has said he wishes to stay, Kenwright has said he is not for sale, and, even though we are not in a good financial position, the bank are not pushing on the overdraft. Moyes is trying to do what he was so critical of in the Lesscott transfer, IMO, he & unt, should be refered to the FA, with a formal complaint of tapping - up.

Kenwright just say no, Baines to important and the message it sends out is as equally important. just say no

No complaint is going to materialise, he's done nothing wrong legally. Morally, it's a different story. This will sound like sour grapes but I hope he fails miserably at Utd and gets the boot and is left in the footballing wilderness for the way he's treated Everton. It will be interesting to see how Hernandez and RVP get on with his methods

I agree with moyes being out of order, you can hardly say its tapping up, he only left everton sunday officially on monday and has worked with the guy 6 years I doubt they haven't spoken before about the interest in man utd.

MikeDeBlue

02 Jul 2013 10:43:28
If we do sell baines for £16mill bill should tell moyes to give us a Man U player aswel.

02 Jul 2013 14:07:59
I would like to see anderson or lindegaard in part of the deal + Welbeck on loan PKBLUE

02 Jul 2013 10:21:49
Lot of doom and gloom around and I can understand why. I'm hopin roberto has a few suprise players he wants and not just some ex wigan.

02 Jul 2013 09:52:30
had another argument with the kopite mate of mine this time he said agger is a better defender than jags imo agger is the better footballer but jags is a much better defender. thoughts lads?

Both are very good defenders and had good seasons for their clubs. Personally, might be a tad bias, but I think the fact that Jags is a leader as well edges it for me.

Both of them are very good CB. but honestly our Jags. seem a bit better.

Jags is ten times the player Agger is.

Jags has only ever had one bad injury for us where as agger has spent too much time on the treatment table.

Jags for me

Toffee ace

Simple this one Agger is the better footballer but Jags the better defender.

Had the same debate over coleman and johnson, they clearly haddent seen him the last 6 months (apart from wigan) because they thought it was a joke

02 Jul 2013 15:59:25
Liverpool fans have a habit of talking of other clubs interest in their players and agger especially they say 'agger was wanted by barca' well barca want any defender who can pass the ball 5 yards and agger is a better passer probably but that's it he has no pace no power look at benteke, lukaku and van persie it was his fauly for all of their goals due to poor defending jagielka is the better player barely makes a mistake and has pace and power (look at his tackle on welbeck first game of the season or a couple of years ago in torres' prime liverpool days he outpaced him and knocked him clean off the ball) jagielka any day

02 Jul 2013 09:43:35
Love to get Moses and Sinclair on loan maybe with a view to buy, Bony £10m ish, Honda £5m, back up gk, and if felli leaves Fer or Guarin from inter, Dougles from Twente free. This is not a rumour just would love this type od transfer activity really think with those players the squad would be very strong, and not a hugh amount of money spent.
Any thoughts

Blue Ben

I don't like Bony he look like Kenwyne Jones.

02 Jul 2013 08:49:52
Why are we so bothered about Kone's age? We bought Distin when he was 30 for £5 million, look how he has turned out! Kone scored 13 goals last season, out top scorer was Fellaini (who we are about to sell) with 11 goals. If we had a striker score 13 goals alone last season, we would of most likely been in the Champions League! Remember he terrorised us in the three games we played them!

TC

Dont understand it either, yes, he is 29, but in January, people were most than happy to splash 15+ on Negredo and he is about the same age.

Fact is, this lad bagged more goals than our strikers last season, despite playing with lower quality players. For me, he is a slight step up to our stocks right now, and possibly, depending on whether Felli/Baines leaves, Martinez might have his eyes on another, preferably younger striker.

Negredo is 27, not 29/30. Two years difference, that's a lot of time. 730 days. 17520 hours. 1051200 minutes. A lot of time.

Keith I think you are too narrow minded and ignorant to see what is trying to be said.

It was a joke. Take a chill pill.

If you leave a name, I might be able to apologize personally for being 'ignorant'.

Negerdo is also 15 - 20m and will want a basic near a 100k, no gurantee he will light up the prem either, we haven't got negerdo money so don't know why you have brought him up

MikeDeBlue

Negerdo is 28 in august aswell like the way you never mentioned that

02 Jul 2013 08:25:59
Are we seriously being linked with a return for Yobo? I believe this to be the most unrealistic rumour I have heard! Won't happen!

01 Jul 2013 23:56:53
gaitan to replace fellaini if he goes

Completely different players. RW

Gaitan? The winger?

Gaitan can play as an attacking mid but he would surely cost about 20-25 million, can't see us spending our whole budget replacing one player for another.