Everton Banter Archive October 29 2017

29 Oct 2017 23:10:37
You know the really worrying thing right now is all the Prem managers watching that today now no we have a slow ponderous back four, sorry three. think Kenny did well today despite his og. Really don't know the answer other than play the younger defenders.
Really worried now, can't score and concede too many. That is relegation form all over.
There is a cancer in this team and no matter who they bring in the desease seems to spread, and quality players just lose form.
God I hate football right now.

30 Oct 2017 00:52:30
There's a few glaring problems need addressing too. Unfortunately age has caught up with Baines. He's caught out of position a lot and no longer gets the crosses whipped in. Rooney has go to stop running back past our dm's to the centre halves, looking for the ball. He turns and looks for a pass but unfortunately the main pass is where he is ment to be, leaving DCL isolated. Defence is shocking. I'd gave a punt chucking Feeney or Foulds in inplace of Williams. We need to revert to a basic 442 imo. Play 2 quick wingers, Lookman needing to be one of them, to get crosses into the box and have DCL and again in my humble opinion, Sandro, getting into the box to get on the end of them. We don't have any striker who wants the ball to feet with back to goal. Sandro can burst past defenders and get onto a cross. Unfortunately Koeman has knocked any confidence or belief our players had out of them. They are scared of making mistakes. Poor klaassen basically man marked an opponent just as not to get the ball, because he knew he would be nullified off Koeman, should he make mistakes. I think Rhino needs to tap into his U23's some more. Get players who fight for each other and have no real fear of playing in first team. Beni is showing in 2 games what he's about, maybe throw Henen onto a wing and as said before, Feeney or Foulds in place of Williams.

30 Oct 2017 01:02:46
I think everyone - fans, pundits, and especially opposition managers - already knew we lacked pace throughout the team and not just defensively.

29 Oct 2017 22:33:30
We could have the best manager in the world at the moment and we would still get beat - its ok to say we have millions of pounds worth of players on the bench / not in squad but it is the type of player we have that is not good enough / the problem.

Our defence is old and no pace - the attack minded players have lost all confidence. the list goes on.

With the players we have available I am starting to get quite worried - Coleman back is a must but not sure how his confidence / fitness is - Bolasie will give us more up top but to be honest he was never a prolific goal scorerer plus he may have lost some pace due to the type of injury he sustained.

No point in blaming Unsworth at the moment but his time will be short lived if the players don't start putting in a shift - everyone is raving about January but who are we realistically going to buy.

This season is starting to remind me of Leeds - spending money hand over fist to get to the top and look where they ended - I pray to god this does not happen to us.

29 Oct 2017 23:14:03
Spot on mate. I was talking to my mate about that very thing. Nobody thought Leeds would go down, but they did. And they've never got back.

30 Oct 2017 01:35:36
Plenty of the current “big” clubs - ManUtd, Tottenham. ManCity, Chelsea - have been relegated (some more than once) since we were promoted in 1954.
Only Arsenal (whose elevation to the top division is the subject of many a conspiracy theory) have been there longer than Everton.
Check the records for the number of league titles won and see those clubs that are now languishing in the lower divisions. Let’s hope we don’t get added to that group!

30 Oct 2017 07:54:24
Agree massively with the lack of pace in your defence. The derby would be a steamroll at that rate with mane/ salah and firminos pace. But even in attack you guys look laboured I cannot see why you won't play lookman he has that raw pace that scares teams.

29 Oct 2017 18:08:40
Well Ed 025 enough is enough Mr Moshiri has to step in here and stop this mess no pussy footy around some one must be brought in, and brought in now or will go down, the who team lacks motivation just not bothered never in all my 68yrs have I seen an Everton team like this, absolutely no idea, even if it takes Big Sam get him in and please Quick.

{Ed025's Note - i do despair myself GB..

29 Oct 2017 22:39:15
If alladyce is the quality of manager where looking at would rather go for pulis . I swear if big freud gets the job my season ticket is going back . coyb.

29 Oct 2017 21:20:38
Point I forgot to mention was that when young Beni came on he provided the disciplined holding role which protected the back four and resulted in a much better second half performance.

29 Oct 2017 21:14:50
This whole managerial debate is fascinating. I don't think there is a single true Evertonian that wouldn't want David Unsworth to get the job on a full time basis and be a great success. we love our "blue to the core" ex players, however we need a "foot on the ball" moment here. we are currently managerless, defensively inept, as low on confidence as I've ever seen an Everton team, out of the league cup, 99% out of the Europa league and on the verge of a relegation dogfight - and it's still only October!
I don't think even the most "glass half empty" Evertonian envisaged us being in this position just 11 weeks into the season. certainly on the back of a summer of unprecedented transfer activity and so much promise. should we continue in our current form then the relegation scrap is inevitable and the recently mustered squad has with the exception of Sigurdsson (how ironic) and perhaps Keane and Pickford has no experience for such a battle.
Such pressure will destroy the much championed youth players confidence and could potentially destroy their anticipated and hugely promising careers - the Ross Barkley scenario is a really interesting one for me - Is he a lot smarter than we give him credit for? . did he see this coming which is why he wanted out of his boyhood club? . his next steps will be interesting.

Back to the managerial issue. if you re-read the above you will surely realise that David Unsworth is not the right person to take on the situation as he himself could duly destroy his promising managerial career by taking on the role that we know he wants but is probably beyond him - for now at least.

Some stability, man management and Premier League experience is required - Immediately. there is no time to waste!
I'm not sure who that person may be but I just have to hope and pray that messers Moshiri and Kenwright do!

29 Oct 2017 20:22:10
Think we will have trouble getting a new manager and these last two games won't help, Mr Moshiri has to move now and use all his expertise.

{Ed002's Note - what expertise is that?

29 Oct 2017 20:36:54
The expertise in handing over large sums of money lol.

29 Oct 2017 20:41:34
I think where he got to in his businesses Ed.

{Ed002's Note - which is nothing to do with football. You all seem to be terribly naive about how much of this works. It is critical that the club takes advice over appointing a new manager.}

29 Oct 2017 20:47:39
Love it Cruncher msate.

29 Oct 2017 20:58:46
Definitely Ed, agree with that 100 per cent.

29 Oct 2017 21:06:59
Ed2. Do you think you can email or call the club and offer your services as managerial advisor. For a fee of course. You talk a lot of sense and I do hope we get advice before appointing a new manager.

{Ed002's Note - there are plenty of folk with knowledge of the game that could look at what Everton has and advise what to do.}

29 Oct 2017 19:41:01
It's time for moshiri to show his ambition for our club and go all out and get ancellotti money talks, sure we spent 150 mil but for gods sake we got 90 mil for lukaku alone. P. s. Any word on our new stadium.

{Ed002's Note - What word are you expecting on the stadium?}

29 Oct 2017 19:54:56
If I was Morishi I guess the current word would be "cancelled" lol.

29 Oct 2017 20:00:46
He will mate have no fear, bet the wheels are in motion already.

29 Oct 2017 20:02:38
I can't help but think that the stadium should be the least of any fans concerns. I hear people tell me stadium is paramount, but as I said to a friend 2 yrs ago, I'm more interested in activities on the pitch.

29 Oct 2017 20:01:04
An update on any progress with planning etc. What stage is it at ed.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any submission yet.}

29 Oct 2017 20:09:33
Don't think too many of us are interested in new stadium at the moment. Reckon the Commonwealth Games decision has put it in the long grass. Moshiri probably in shock and considering his options.

29 Oct 2017 19:13:48
Don't blame Unsworth this is the team that was left by Koeman and Walsh along with 150million spent.

29 Oct 2017 19:29:50
Not sure your comment has been thought out, who was the Manager that picked the team, set out the game plan, subbed 2 at ht, took Rooney off, left sig on the bench?
We are in a relegation battle now!
Forget top 4 top 6 or Europe it’s now all about survival, I could also as when the multi millions were spent in the summer who approved the plan outlined as to where all these signings fitted in to?
I’m not sure Koeman is or was the only one to blame, the next decision as to who comes in is massive for the clubs future!
Don’t lose Unsworth but his nievity was exposed today!

29 Oct 2017 19:32:49
Must have been over 150 mill of talent dare I use the word left on the bench today, say no more.

29 Oct 2017 19:52:22
Excellent post Wakka mate, we have to do something now re a new manager or we will go down, must win game again agaist Watford, if it stays like this we got no chance.

29 Oct 2017 19:52:42
I honestly can’t understand these managers, including Unsworth. Why do we persistently play Rooney, who in my opinion is garbage and over weight, also has a touch like a baby elephant, over our most expensive signing who is an out and out number 10? Sigurdson has proved what he can do in the prem, so why aren’t we playing him regular to bed in properly and do what we all know he can do. Also, Holgate should be playing over Williams.

29 Oct 2017 20:09:41
Walks spot on . I said this weeks ago. the board enabled koeman, and it seems to me that they either a) didn't understand his strategy b) agreed his strategy or c) didn't question his strategy. The first thing they should have asked is, who do we need to replace lukaku, Barkley and Coleman? And they should have sorted this first. then they should have asked what other players we needed to strengthen other positions. if they bought into Rooney or Sandro being a replacement for romelu then moor fool them. If they thought Rooney, Sandro, klaasen and sigs were all needed to replace Barkley, then I'm flabbergasted, and to get Martina as a standing for Coleman? I'm just amazed at the mix of personnel they brought in. and those they sent out on loan. dowell, browning to name a few.

{Ed002's Note - I would not discount the role of the Director of Football.}

29 Oct 2017 20:10:14
The same Sigurdsson that has looked poor all season. I think personally that Rooney is the best passer in the squad, although admittedly he is really slow.

29 Oct 2017 20:17:05
same as that mate 150 mill of talent on the bench.

29 Oct 2017 20:33:17
Tommy, we all have different opinions. But 9 times out of 10, he’s the player that usually gives the ball away in stupid positions for us to concede goals. His passing is either brilliant or sh*t! And in these important games unfortunately it’s not good enough to be a bit of both!

29 Oct 2017 20:40:18
I don’t envy any manager that goes in to rectify that current squad! There’s a lot of things need doing! Benitez or Dyche for me!

29 Oct 2017 21:39:31
As Ed02 says we also have a director of football, what has his real input been, is this a job to far for him or the expectation now to great?
Everton football club is a great opportunity the next appointment must be researched and well thought out, never have the stakes been so high!

29 Oct 2017 19:04:17
Maybe we should play Tom Davies as the number 10 as he seems far more effective up front going forward and then he can drop and help out if needed, the problem is when Rooney plays the number 10 we are weak in the midfield when we are defending.

29 Oct 2017 19:56:44
Totally agree. Rooney should be an impact sub. Playing him over gylfi is ridiculous! When the managers will take the Rooney goggles off I don’t know.

29 Oct 2017 20:17:17
When "He" gets his 2 strikers as was always the requirement. And yes Rooney could then be the sub. and lone striker on a cold away tie somewhere in the arctic circle. I think you've just said what RK wanted.

29 Oct 2017 18:43:48
Can anyone see a way out of this?

29 Oct 2017 18:53:25
only with a moyes or allardyce type to shore up the sieve which we call the defence. we now need at least 10 wins to stay up. its a dogfight from now on, so can't see any other way forward for us now.

29 Oct 2017 20:08:26
If we look to the likes of Moyes and Allardyce then we can expect mediocre mid table finishes. We have to hope Morishi holds firm and ensures we get a top man. All is not lost yet as some seem to think, we have just lost our way. We can still finish strong if the board act in the next two weeks. OK europe is probably going and might well be a blessing for this season.

29 Oct 2017 18:10:31
We need a new manager with a bit of tactical nouse, its unfair to through davy under the bus. Don't wanna hear anymore 'were only two wins away from the top half'. We're in a relegation battle, just can't see where the next goal or clean sheet is coming from. Never been more depressed being a blue and I grew up the mike walker days.

29 Oct 2017 18:26:38
Agree totally.

29 Oct 2017 18:45:00
There's just been a boss program on Sky Sports Phil an Gary Neville reviewing the 3-0 derby, singing Cahills praises, cheered me right up, what I'd do for a Tim Cahill in our team now.

29 Oct 2017 18:04:38
Can someone explain how Steve Walsh still has a job after this summers recruitment cause I can’t see where the next goal is coming from we had 12 months to set up a replacement for Lukaku
Everyone and there dog knew he was going.

29 Oct 2017 18:49:43
Yeah let's sack em all.

Manager repeats in every press conference I want 2 strikers not counting Rooney and Calvert

Director of football spotted here there and everywhere all summer.

Man who writes the cheques. not so much as a peep.

But let's sack everyone anyway.

We are up the proverberal river.
We need a striker. a real one. Not future promise. Not the returning son. Certainly not the guy who somehow has scored a few random goals (the football Gods idea of a sick joke at our and RKs expense) but a bloke who gives opposition defenders something to panic about and in turn freeing up the phsycological log jam.

This isn't going to go away regardless of who's in charge until we get the personnel we so desperately need. And in January it's likely to be a sticking plaster player to limp us to safety before. the whole farse starts again.

See you in 2018 lads and lasses.

29 Oct 2017 18:56:38
I would like Mr moshiri go on jim white show tomomorow morning and explain to all evertonians why and how they've managed to let go 3 strikers put all their eggs in one basket and replace with no strikers. Not really counting sandro The buck as far as I'm concerned starts at the top they have overseen this mess . they are too nice (letting lukaku leave with no replacement in place) and niave where was plan B or C? . Have absolutely no idea why Walsh is still there. I could have recruited those players.

{Ed002's Note - it is nothing to do with Moshiri - how would you expect him to have the answer.}

29 Oct 2017 19:09:11
He may not have the answer but at the very top he is answerable. We are in a mess because of the dealings in the summer. The board appointed koeman and Walsh. who is making the decisions? The. Manager or the Mr Walsh or both? Either way it's on the boards watch.

29 Oct 2017 19:14:30
Totally agree Ed Moshiri won't have the answer. The man comes to EFC puts his money into the club and now we are in a bad place gets slagged off for not being the messiah that we all want.

29 Oct 2017 20:00:38
Not a case of being a messiah but a case of being professional. its like cutting off you gas supply with winter approaching in the hope that you will get a new supplier but the new supplier says no thanks. And you freeze. Lukaku had 2 Years left on his contract and should should not been allowed to leave until his replacement was signed sealed and delivered. Efc too nice or won't spend money in advance of receiving.

29 Oct 2017 20:20:20
No one's "slagging" him off. But he does write the cheques and frankly where is out striker? The one to replace the bloke who has been very open and honest saying he won't be a EFC player this years? Who's fault is that? Hmmmm?

29 Oct 2017 20:56:53
Agreed. not even sure what messiah means. I just want clear direction clear professional decissions for the good of efc. Not sure tho with the use of jim white as media pr firm? Just don't get it. Why? And the board is so so quiet. Easy to sack manager far harder to look at internal failings. Don't even know where to go from here.

{Ed002's Note - it really doesn’t work like this at all. The board are not going to turn up on some radio show to explain the transfer decisions to the fans who want nothing but knee jerk reactions.}

29 Oct 2017 21:17:23
Maybe not but Mr moshiri seems to use Mr white when he wants. going to have have a busy day on deadline day. we didn't. Can't have it both ways . anyways to me and yes only my opinion it's unprofessional yes he maybe friends and I'm not hear to say who he is friends with not my business but he is efc majority shareholder and should not be using Mr white as his pr outlet. Don't recollect man u or man c or lpool or tfC or arsenal using pr this way.

29 Oct 2017 17:49:33
That's why we can't have Unsworth on a permanent basis. That first half team away at Leicester was a poor choice. It totally played to Leicester's strengths. You just can't do that. I'm a bit disappointed with him to be honest as it was very naive to think we could play so wide with no support for the full backs.

29 Oct 2017 18:02:40
Agree totally Toffe mate, we need a new manager and Quick this is bloody serious we are not going to pick up many points before Jan, and heaven forbid Big Sam or someone who can stop this rot whole team apart from Jordan just not motivated, believe me we stay like this and we will get relegated.

29 Oct 2017 18:22:51
I'm disappointed with Unsworth saying he knows what the fans want and he's picked a team that will play off the front foot, so why didn't they start like that? I expected a lot more from today but these players are just not delivering and they are not nearly as good as most of us thought. Rooney and Baines need benching with Williams. I'm still hopeful Sig will come good and hopefully Ross will return like a new signing. Tom and Gana in the middle don't work and both were shocking at preventing the counter attack for Vardy's goal after Baines's poor delivery. Worrying times! I thought it was all down to Koeman but something is really broken at our club. Now I pin my hopes on Coleman and Bolaise returning and the possibility of a striker in the January sales.

29 Oct 2017 18:49:35
We're in a desperate state boys and we need to do whatever it takes to get out of it, fkin disillusioned with it all lads.

29 Oct 2017 17:44:29
Not going to mention any names but there are about 4 or 5 players that seem to get picked time and time again and I'm no football manager but even I can see that they should not even be on the bench yet they still get picked I don't know what's going on with this club but I can see us going down the club is in free fall.

29 Oct 2017 18:26:13
good shout mate hate to say so though cheers.

29 Oct 2017 16:28:43
Is it just me that thinks kev mirralas is championship level. Hasn't had a good game since moyes.

29 Oct 2017 16:38:25
On his day unplayable imo. BUT I think he is generally a lazy player. premiere league ability but second rate attitude a lot of the time.

29 Oct 2017 17:04:06
If we continue to play like we have of late then they will all be championship players next season.

29 Oct 2017 17:06:32
Closing up shop taking off Lennon and mirralas at half time should be gambling hoping not to lose by more shocking.

29 Oct 2017 11:29:00
Well done to the England U17s. Great achievement considering they have Shane McGowan as their manager.

29 Oct 2017 07:57:03
Pickford
Kenny holgate jags Baines
Gueye Davies
Lookman sig kev
Rooney

My pick for the team sheet today.

29 Oct 2017 08:14:46
Maybe keane in for holgate and vlasic for kev.

29 Oct 2017 08:56:00
Good team and would agree with Vlasic and Keane.

29 Oct 2017 11:25:17
Calvert-lewin for Rooney. the lad gets better every game. he holds ball up, he's quick and he's on 3 already I think.

29 Oct 2017 12:53:37
Rooney has 4 PL goals this season. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Calvert-Lewin has ever scored a PL goal.

29 Oct 2017 15:00:25
No prem goals bt. but scored in Europa (2) and also against chelski mid week (1) . I appreciate Wayne has scored. but I'd rather have Dom running in channels and holding ball up. it's just my preference. I'm not a Rooney fan tbh.5 yes ago definite. but he's a sub for me bt.

29 Oct 2017 04:37:43
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Previews Sunday 29th October 2017

29 Oct 2017 00:55:31
Here are a few comments about the squads that were registered at the end of the Summer transfer window,

The Premier League squad:
We registered a full squad of 25 aged-over-21 players and it included several long-term injured players like Bolasie and Coleman - I guess just in case they were fit to play before the end of the year.
Two young players who are now classified as over-21 - full back Gethin Jones and centre forward Sam Byrne - were included, which I'd imagine was only because the squad was short in their positions.
Our under-21 players like Calvert-Levin. Davies, Holgate, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic, etc., don't have to be registered in this PL squad.
At the end of the next transfer window (January) , we can register as many changes to the squad as we want. I'd expect Jones and Byrne to be replaced by a new forward/ striker and a new left-sided defender.

The UEFA Europa League squad:
We registered a squad of 23 players. A full squad of 25 requires 4 club-trained players and we only named 2 - Barkley and Rooney - hence the 23-man squad.
Also, any under-21 player that hadn't been at Everton for two years had to be included so as to be eligible. That's why Calvert-Lewin, Lookman and Vlasic are in the squad, while Davies, Holgate, Kenny, etc., don't have to be.
At the end of the January transfer window (if we're still in the competition that is! ) , we can only make 3 changes to the squad. Interestingly, Coleman is in the current squad, but Bolasie isn't, so I imagine that'll be one of the permitted 3 changes. Who he replaces is a moot point, as is who any incoming transfers would replace.
Also, Gethin Jones (definitely club-trained) and Sam Byrne (I think he now qualifies as club-trained) aren't in the squad - even though that would have given us 25 players including 4 club-trained ones - no doubt because of the restricted number of changes allowed in January. They couldn't be replaced positionally like-for-like anyway since the incoming-transfers would not be club-trained players and would have to replace players from the 21 non-club-trained ones.
Anyway, that's all hypothetical since it'd take a miracle for us to actually now qualify out of the group.

28 Oct 2017 23:26:41
Like Martinez with Belgium, Koeman might do well with the Netherlands, BUT Martinez already has a squad of established and talented players while Koeman would face a rebuilding job as the experienced ones (like Robben) are retiring from international football.
Rebuilding a team - as opposed to working with a settled team inherited from the previous manager- isn't Koeman's forte according to former Spanish 'keeper Canizares. Besides, I believe that Koeman has said that the Netherlands (following their recent elimination from the World Cup) don't appear to have the younger players of sufficient quality coming through the ranks.

29 Oct 2017 09:24:04
Look on the bright side for him, he can play Klaassen every week.