Everton Banter Archive November 29 2015

 

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29 Nov 2015 23:25:09
So Tim Howard has said the fans were to blame for the draw with Bournemouth. Well, who is to blame for the 2-0 defeat to Man City? The 2-1 loss at Arsenal or the FA Cup Final in 2009. Oh how about conceding a 92nd minute goal at home to Newcastle in September 2012 after Anichebe put us ahead a minute earlier. Who did those starjumps over the ball. Who has conceded so many long range goals that your average toddler could save. Who has cost us over 5 times the amount of points as he's won. Who is it who has the nerve to laugh after conceding 2 goals to Sunderland just last season. Oh that's right, the fool who made over a dozen basic saves in a World Cup game once and who's ego has outgrown his very little ability. Honestly I'm sick of him, I'm sick of him costing us points but he has not only said he was blameless for all our goals conceded (majority of which are his fault) but has now started blaming the fans. Well, "MR America, secretary of defence", if you actually bothered collecting a cross in your SIX YARD AREA, you know, YOUR JOB! (His wages of which are ironically paid for by the fans) . Then maybe we wouldn't be complaining about a draw but celebrating a win. Just get this arrogant, delusional and useless fool out this club, please.

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{Ed025's Note - not a big fan then i take it swan?.. :)

29 Nov 2015 23:32:08
Honestly Ed, he annoys me more than any Everton player ever. His performances were bad enough, but his interviews are getting worse, as are his excuses. As bad as Mourinho, will he blame the club doctor next time we concede? Or how the computers are broken? . Bring back Jan Mucha.

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{Ed025's Note - im not his biggest fan either mate..

30 Nov 2015 06:14:32
Bring back Jason Kearton.

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30 Nov 2015 09:17:27
I know you dislike him Swan but there is an element of truth to what he is saying. How much time was added on because of fans storming the pitch? Why did they do it? It wasn't as if it was the dying minutes of a cup final, it was Bournemouth in the league! Our away fans are superb, no doubt about it, but a minority has let them down for once. I can't blame Howard for having his opinion on the matter, we all have our thoughts about it on this site, you have to respect his honesty, like him or not. After all Swan, you give him absolute grief on here at times, is he not allowed to give it back?

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30 Nov 2015 09:49:00
I think Swan is so similar to me. we are both so passionate about our Blues we get on our soap boxes and don't know when to stop! I think we should bring back Osman! See what I mean?

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30 Nov 2015 10:31:21
All I have to say on Howard is the sooner he's out of the goals and we have a new goaldie the better. Doesn't matter who the new keeper is.

For the record I don't slate players at all. I made I'd say only one put down comment about an Everton player before. That was Alcatrash the centre back.

Really its very frustrating how much damage Howard is doing and Martinez is so deluded with his loyalty to Howard it could end up costing him his job.

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30 Nov 2015 11:42:48
1. The fans running on the pitch were directly responsible for the extra 3 minutes added on.
2. Howard is past his prime and yes he is directly responsible for points lost over a season.
3. Loyalty was also a problem with Moyes, however I do believe Martinez is a step backwards - results wise, which is what I am interested in more so than pretty pretty football - but with Bill not well and reluctant to hand over the reigns, we are stuck with what we have.

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30 Nov 2015 12:31:35
The fans didn't add on 3 minutes, the whistle was going to do when Martinez decided, quite foolishly, to bring on a sub! .

Spudv, no, me slagging him off for being garbage doesn't warrent him blaming a draw on the fans who traveled a loooooong way to get to Bournmouth. I don't see how in any way him blaming our brilliant away fans for him not doing bis job is justified because I have said he's crap, which he is. If I call McGeady crap does that give him the right to blame you (how Howard knows I call him crap is a mystery, do you tell him? ) for every loss, no of course not. I do dislike him as do a large amount of Evertonians and he's doing nothing to change that, instead he's just proving us right with every game and interview he does.

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30 Nov 2015 14:37:25
I was once told there are 2 types of fan. One lot are loyal to everyone who wears the shirt. If something goes wrong, its the refs fault or the polices fault or the other fans fault or the oppositions fault. It is never any of the Everton players fault.

The other type of fan blames everything on one or two players and gets on their backs. They convince themselves that the players never do anything right and in fact if anything goes wrong. it is always that players fault. Does that sound about right to you guys?

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30 Nov 2015 15:47:59
Swan spot on, I was meaning to add this but to be honest I simply couldn't be arsed as peed off. there were 12 seconds of injury time to go when we scored, Martinez brings on Gibson so immediately the ref adds 30 seconds on, if he never brought him on then they would not have had time to score, fair enough we were shocking but this is a big reason why they scored.

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30 Nov 2015 15:48:11
I know where your coming from Degsypulford but I don't think its as black and white as you put it there.

For me Howard is playing very bad. I'm not blaming him for everything but I do think its in the clubs interest to get a better keeper. Might not even need one. Joel could be the answer.

Stones cleared the ball off the line in the first half. Howard is a good shot stopper but after that he's going downhill big time.

I will support him and every player in every game even though I'd prefer someone else. At the same time I won't blame the supporters or the referee. They can get it wrong at times too.

Depends on what happens as to who's fault it is really, surely? There are plenty of Everton players who at different stages were at fault for conceding. The same as they are the creators for scoring goals for Everton.

Howard however in my opinion is making too many mistakes and is the cause of too many of the goals we concede. Weak link if you must. Need to turn it into a strong link again. Like it was in the past with Howard. Unfortunately not any more.

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30 Nov 2015 16:01:32
I don't like Howard but he has a point about the fans. The simple fact is if they don't run onto the pitch after the 3rd goal the ref kicks off the game straight away and blows up 3 points thank you very much, but those fans cost Everton on Saturday with their small time mentality celebrating on the pitch like we had won a cup final. It was embarrassing not even Bournemouth fans celebrated like that and it was their greatest ever comeback probably in there history.

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30 Nov 2015 18:42:26
I think it would be a different proposition if Stones had come out and voiced his opinion on the fans invading the pitch mate. The fact it was Howard has given the boo boys license to rip him a little more. No matter what is said on here, the fans played their part in the equaliser. Along with RM making a sub at a ridiculous time and the players not closing the opposition down.
Fans should not be getting so precious over his comment really, especially the ones who give him stick week in week out, warranted or not, unless they were one of the ones who invaded the pitch.
I agree that TH is on a downward spiral and should be replaced at some point in the near future. But this is turning in to a witch hunt for comments which a large section of our supporters actually agree with, to an extent. I didn't see many posts about him hitting 400 games!

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30 Nov 2015 18:42:49
Mike had you been there you would have had a different view. It's a really small ground and easy to go on to the pitch. The tension was unbearable because it was a game we were cruising in and so nearly threw away. The relief of that goal going in when it did just exploded in the crowd, so slag us off all you like where still the best away crowd going.

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30 Nov 2015 18:47:18
I have no idea what Howard has said but i'm assuming he's blaming the extra few minutes on the fans coming on to celebrate. They should not have came on to the pitch at all but doubt very much the ref has added time on for that. He has at least 2 stop watches so he can just restart them once the fans are cleared.
As for Howards performances he is by far the weakest link in out team and has been a major weakness for the past few seasons. There are much better keepers out there and we should make getting one a priority asap.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you on that joe..

30 Nov 2015 18:53:18
Fact of the matter is it was a poor performance from all in the second half and we should be seeing games out at 2 nil with 10 minutes to go. Howard is a liabilty I agree fully with swan. But on the game once Mccarthy went of we were weaker and didn't look composed as the shape had gone. Anyways that's done so let's move on to Boro and hopefully book a semi final date.

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30 Nov 2015 23:15:50
Didn't see any posts about Stones reaching 50 games, Barry being ahead of Lampard in appearances or even Lukaku reaching 50 goals. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

The point is Stones would never come out and say something so stupid, the fact Howard said it only furthers people's beliefs he is a fool on and off the pitch. The facts are he's a terrible Goalkeeper and says stupid things on a constant basis.

"I know I'm one of the best"

"I wasn't at fault for any goals this season, experts can pick through it all they want but they will find they are wrong"

Just 2 things that are not only factually incorrect but proves he is delusional. Defend him all you like and say what if such and such said it, the fact is he said it and is costing us points on the pitch. We are right to rip in to him, witch hunt or not.

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01 Dec 2015 04:11:58
I mentioned the 400 games as, considering it is quite a landmark, it went by unnoticed yet, if the lad makes a mistake he gets crucified even if that mistake has no bearing on the result. As I said Swan, he needs replacing but there are too many on here that are quick to have a go for the slightest thing, his comments being one. Sometimes it seems that certain people on here are willing him to cost us a goal just so they can rip in to him on here, similar to the ones who only post after a bad result calling for the head of RM. Just because a player is on the decline doesn't mean he deserves to be abused almost daily. He's been a decent acquisition in the main so should be afforded a bit of respect, it's not his fault that he keeps getting picked! I just think there should be a balance.
As I said in a reply, our away fans are usually superb but, whatever the reasons, they unwittingly find themselves embroiled in the mess. Any player would be entitled to express their view on this matter, good or bad, just as much as you or me on here. The stupid thing about this furore is that it takes away from the fact that we need to address our inability to hold a 2 goal lead.

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01 Dec 2015 13:29:19
When was the last time a Tim Howard mistake had no bearing on a result? .

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{Ed025's Note - you could say that about any keeper swan, its a very important position and yes its one of our weaknesses, lets not get obsessed with it though mate..

01 Dec 2015 18:43:14
I agree Ed no need to get obsessed about it. But I totally understand where Swan is coming from. It's so frustrating that Martinez keeps playing him. I feel it myself Swan so your not alone.

I understand where your coming from spudv and kinda agree with you too. Howard definitely was a good acquisition and was a solid keeper for a long time. Trouble is if he keeps playing the way he is people will only remember him for how he ended his career.

I don't slate Martinez and am not convinced by him either but he is onto a bad thing by playing Howard the whole time. It can only end in tears at this stage. Making it very easy for opposition to score goals.

For Howards own sake he should drop him. If Joel is not up to scratch then put Howard back in. Can't see anything else working to get a spring back in Howards step. If there even is anything there left to come for Howard.

Keepers win games and can even be big contributors to winning trophies. Vital to have a solid goaldie.

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29 Nov 2015 22:04:07
Dear santa,

Could I please have, (1) A new goal keeper (2) An oil rich owner (3) A new, warter tight 6 year contract for John Stones, (4) A seat on the first mars mission for Martinez, make that two seats, the second for Lukaku's agent, and finally, a mute button to be fitted to all kopites to work automaticall afder their first five minites of bull.

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29 Nov 2015 22:40:07
Only thing I'd change their is Martinez's seat to Mars. I'd wait till end of season then decide weather to that or not. Agree with everything else though.

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29 Nov 2015 22:42:28
Well I see your in great form JCW100 lol.

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29 Nov 2015 22:45:43
Agree with some of that, but what about a magic wand that u can wave when no matter how you are playing, you just wave it at officials and "presto" you get a penalty, and at the end of the season all is forgotton and everyone talks about how well your club has played and the way you have achieved it, now that would be nice!

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{Ed025's Note - they only sell them at anfield niko.. :)

29 Nov 2015 23:12:18
Oh ok
I would consider going there for one, but for my phobia of clowns and continental markets, oh well maybe santa will pick one up for me on his way from the north pole, but untill then we will have to play hard honnest football and see what happens.

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{Ed025's Note - were famous for that niko mate..

29 Nov 2015 18:42:53
Not Everton related but, How can you draw with Norwich ffs not acceptable! Has AW even made a good signing!?

This tippy-tappy football is not the Arsenal way. Time to move on other teams spanked Norwich so obviously AW is crap!

#Muppetfans.

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{Ed025's Note - its indicative of the modern day fan im afraid aflm..

29 Nov 2015 19:35:09
Opinion aflm78 opinion that's the way it is when we win we are going to get top 4 when we lose or draw we are not good enough but that's just the way it is, on a brighter note I think we will bounce back on Tuesday night really looking forward to this one.

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29 Nov 2015 20:25:56
While we're mentioning arsenal just a quick query to see if anyone else has the same or similar problem to me. My son in his wisdom has decided to support the gunners much to my disgust. I brought him up well (or so I thought) with tales of our past glory and now I have to make polite conversation about another team through gritted teeth. I pray my 3 daughters don't let their dad down like this. Will he grow out of this before his whole room is the dreaded red or do I have to live with it?

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29 Nov 2015 20:45:24
Indio77,

The boy has sense. let him follow the path to glory, lol.

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29 Nov 2015 21:20:41
Thanks for the helpful advise Dagenham gunner! Do you want to adopt him? He's fully house trained.

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{Ed001's Note - a house trained Arsenal fan? I don't believe that!}

29 Nov 2015 21:58:39
I'm married to a gunner mate well she is now now a toffee, all her family are gunners and believe me they went out of there way to get my first born to be a gunner kits and all that bought for him, but a trip to Goodison solves all that he never looked back same as the wife she loves going to Goodison hope this helps mate.

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{Ed025's Note - both great clubs stef, but i think you made the right choice mate..

29 Nov 2015 22:15:34
Of course I did ed born a blue mate, I love Arsenal in a strange way mate because of the misses and her family, but there is no better feeling in the world than supporting Everton and my kids are 100 percent blues which I know they will pass on to there kids bursting with pride mate.

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{Ed025's Note - and well you should be mate..

29 Nov 2015 22:29:12
Exactly ed we all should be because we support the best club in the world mate no matter what anybody says to me Everton stands for pride.

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29 Nov 2015 22:59:33
Indio,
I have 3 of my own mate, lol.

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{Ed025's Note - he meant children..not brain cells dags.. :)

29 Nov 2015 23:10:12
Love it ed.

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{Ed025's Note - its a good job dags is a good sport stef.. :)

30 Nov 2015 11:47:44
Indio77 - You think that is bad, all the men in our family support Everton and have supported Everton from me down until my Grand Son that is, I have to bite my tongue because I love him but being a Liverpool supporter he makes it so hard. Thing is he is such a good footballer as well.

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30 Nov 2015 19:07:59
Brilliant Ed 😂😂😂😂.

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29 Nov 2015 11:53:41
Look only reason we messed up yesterday is because we don't close down quick enough. First goal two players watching instead of closing down. Second goal more effort should have been made to block the cross, just sticking a leg out is not good enough. Third goal ball watching, poor positioning. Am I annoyed, a little yes, but then our third was a bit of a mess to. The question is however, would I rather watch the Moyes teams of year year who defended for their lives and would try to grind out an away straw. Or would I rather watch this team who have the potential to score for fun, and will get better. Carry on Rob.

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29 Nov 2015 12:41:16
Yeah I saw a few posts across social media saying that would never have happened under Moyes. Didn't we do the same against Newcastle in Moyes' last season at home? Same at home to Norwich and away to Fulham. It happens.

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29 Nov 2015 12:47:56
agree.

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30 Nov 2015 11:29:36
I do agree it has a less chance of happening to a Moyes team. But of course it happened to Moyes. It happens to every team and manager. As was said its football, it happens all the time.

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29 Nov 2015 08:31:59
Entertaining gameall the way down at bournmouth apart from end result of course, but bournmouth deserved the draw in the end. we ltook our foot of the gas in the second half
dont think the wind helped with our passing.
Type of football but all in all would have prayed for a draw in this type of fixture not so long back so onwards and upwardsand hard luck lads keep improving.

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{Ed025's Note - we should have won it niko, but thats football mate..

29 Nov 2015 07:38:59
Posts after Villa game: about 5. Posts after Bournemouth game: 10+. Sums up a lot of our fans really. Fed up of the boo boys behaving like that shower across the park. I'm just as upset at the result but it has to be put into context. We are still having a decent season and aren't particularly worse off for that result. Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and carry on with the season!

Although I must say, only Everton could take a lead 5 minutes into injury time and still draw. I don't know the full story but looks like those fans have got a lot to answer for. That extra 3 mins of stoppage time cost us the win.

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29 Nov 2015 18:47:17
Have to agree that the fans running on the pitch cost us that extra 3 minutes, but and there is a but, we should not have been in that position in the first place. Bad Management coupled with lack of leadership was the true reason we dropped 2 points after being 2-0 up.

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30 Nov 2015 05:58:50
Agree mate. We couldn't do anything about their first goal, but if we'd done a proper job the match would have finished 2-1.

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28 Nov 2015 23:02:34
What was Delafeo doing for their first goal? Have a look. As soon as they got that one, their heads went up and ours down. I am not soley blaming him, but it was a very poor defensive moment in the game. His crosses can be brilliant but he is terrible defensively at times. He needs to work hard and become an all round player.

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29 Nov 2015 03:11:45
To be fair to the lad, he's working on that aspect of his game so will make mistakes defensively. He's so far won us more points than he's conceded so at his young age I think we need to expect that being an all round player is a few years off yet.

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29 Nov 2015 09:12:59
He has improved defensively a lot this season, I think, and I'm not solely blaming him either, Howard needs to start collecting crosses a bit further out than 1 yard off the line.

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29 Nov 2015 15:57:06
You are spot on about Howard although in yesterdays game he didn't do any real howlers. My point on Del boy was watch his defending. The ball is cleared from our defence and is heading for one of their players. Del boy is roughly alongside him although not directly within touching distance. As the ball travels, Del boy starts running away as if to break out. but their player is now completely unmarked and collects the ball and lines it up to shoot unmarked. Our defenders are sitting deep, so they can't close him down. Del boy could have. Real schoolboy stuff. Like I said, he has been better than I expected overall, but defensively he needs to work on his game. Can I suggest that is why RM plays Barry and McCarthy. if you have players like Del Boy, Barkley and to some extent Lukaku and Kone. ie poor defenders. you need some cover. If we can improve the defensive qualities of some of these players perhaps some of these draws will turn into wins? We are conceding too many goals. Look at the stats. We are scoring enough but conceding too many and I know our defenders are pretty good so there must be another reason eh?

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29 Nov 2015 16:22:28
No, same reason Barcelona and Real don't concede too many goals. Messi, Neymar and Ronaldo etc don't need to track back. One of the reasons we have been so good is Doofy Loofy and Lukaku have been given no restrictions. The reason Barry and McCarthy play is they allow our wingers and full backs to push on. It is not our flair players tracking back that is the issue, there is no organisation and the defence are a bag of nerves with Howard in goal. Doesn't matter how good the defence is if they don't know their jobs and lack confidence due to a poor Goalkeeper. It is common knowledge this is why Barry and McCarthy play, it has been pointed out since their first game why they play. I'd prefer we got a proper Goalkeeper and played proper wingers. Kone helps Rom so much, but being out on the left it leaves Galloway exposed, which isn't Kone's fault, he's a striker being put out wide. He gets put there so Martinez can fit everyone in, however, we would do so much better if we played 4-4-2. I'd rather Deulofeu keeps doing what he's doing than focus on his tracking back. Unbelievable how Galloway has coped so well, just shows how good a defender he is. When Baines is back, if Kone is still out wide, we will suffer not because of a lack of cover but the fact Baines can't defend half as good as Galloway. My worry is Martinez may see it as an either/or situation, sacrifice getting the best out of Rom to keep us solid or the other way around. It shouldn't be, we can easily fit Mirallas and Kone in.

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29 Nov 2015 18:30:14
Still missing my point. I am not on about tracking back. I am on about basic defending. Every player is expected to do defensive duties to a degree. Del boy was actually on the edge of the box with their player. the ball was cleared to their general direction and he ran awayinstead of to the ball/opposing player. There was noone else nearby to close the forward down. Every manager in the premiership would have expected Del boy to close the forward down and not just run away. but I don't want this to sound like a witch hunt. I agree that he brings something to the team when on form and can do a moments brilliance. That does notmean he should not be responsible to the team when in such a position. It was the game changer. I take all your points Swan. but they are not what I was talking about.

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