Everton Banter Archive December 29 2016

 

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29 Dec 2016 11:30:47
Getting really fed up with this constant Barkley baiting. He is still head and shoulders our best midfielder above anyone else in the squad. And as supporters we should be cheering for him, not slagging him off all the time. I mean people now saying we should get Hughes from Derby? He's not close to Barkleys level .
I've said it before if he goes to the Spuds it will be our loss and their gain. If you must slag off any of our players then pick on those who don't give a rats arse for the club (there are enough of them) .
As with Lukaku we moan about them because we rely on them so much, more than any others. So think about that next time you want to have a moan, take a deep breath and cheer them on, come on we are EFC .
Happy New Year (hopefully) .

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29 Dec 2016 12:41:59
It amazes me Woburn that the fans have basically battered this lads confidence to a degree that his performances are severly affected especially at home.

I've put this up before but last season he contributed to more goals and assists than any Everton midfielder since 1986. The best for 30 years. 30 years. One more time 30 YEARS!

Yet his own fans remember the miss passes or incomplete dribbles. He now has a better manager who demands more and doesn't paint pretty pictures but instead tells things how they are.

He will get better and has already started to improve this year and I hope he stays. However, for him to get proper support from fans he has to leave as ours are blinded by spite and hatred at the moment, not just for Ross either.

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29 Dec 2016 14:03:46
Totally agree Woburn, his clearance / pass for Roms goal at Leicester was top drawer, and shows the lad has it!

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29 Dec 2016 14:13:12
Sadly BlueJohn we still have the morons who disagree, these will be the same ones who think Lukaku is crap and lazy. It seems if there is a bandwagon to jump on then they will be queuing up to get on.
Need to support all our players at this time. We are going through a lot of changes on and off the pitch. Surely people can see that, and that it is bound to have an effect on the team in someway.

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29 Dec 2016 14:24:33
You know what Wakka I bet nobody even noticed that. If you watch he takes a look before playing that ball out to Rom. But we don't notice those things because hey it's Ross, and Ross just doesn't try hard enough.

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29 Dec 2016 15:02:21
He's got loads of issues with his game, loads. He hasn't developed into that world beater over the last 3 years but neither has anyone else progressed in the side.

However, he has been the one to take the brunt of the criticism. He probably got more than Martinez last season.

I think Koeman likes him and believes he can be a world beater but that he also needs a firm hand to direct him in the right way. Compared to most players in the team he is showing more to his game than anyone else has added, like pressing and tackling. He's made more fouls this season than all but one of his previous years which suggests he is becoming more aggressive.

We will see if he becomes a great player but even a good one should be supported.

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29 Dec 2016 15:49:44
With more options in front of him he would not have many missed passes, he collects the ball and can't drive forward as other than Lukaku there is no options.
Our movement off the ball in the final third is awful at best, even Rom is having to come out wide or to the d to collect the ball as he is so isolated.

I say judge Ross when he has quality around him and in front of him and the haters (mainly the half pissed fellas in the Gladwys who turn up late and leave early) will just find another scapegoat as they go the game to moan and pick faults, not to support the team.

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29 Dec 2016 16:12:31
Agree with all above. The boy has some issues but should be fully supported. Felt so sorry for him when I saw that clip at half time from Wembley. He has gotten that much abuse the kid is a little bit paranoid everytime the crowd starts giving stick. He thinks it's directed at him even when it's not.

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29 Dec 2016 19:42:37
Wouldn't it be nice to see the lad get a run in the team rather than sat on the bench I for one wouldn't like to see him at spurs or anyone else but if he's not part of RKs plans then he's not going to get games.

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29 Dec 2016 20:26:45
Our pressure on Koeman for instant results after the disaster before him does have an effect on his decision making, he would not be human if it didn't. Barkley is a wonderful footballer, his confidence and consistency under Koeman will grow. Some and I am afraid yes it is the younger one's just will not let a Manager settle, Koeman said 2 years I for one believe him.

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{Ed025's Note - me too BCT..

29 Dec 2016 22:37:17
I can't say I have seen any of the Barkley criticism that has been mentioned. but the rule in a football club that I always quote is "get rid of someone when you have someone better to replace them. " As far as I know, we have no super attacking midfielders who are better than Barkley lined up to sign on for us. If Mr Koeman does have someone, then yes release Barkley. but only if he is sure the replacement is better! I for one have no idea which better players than Barkley want to sign for Everton. but I know that Barkley is Blue and wants to play for us!

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30 Dec 2016 14:44:25
He's wrong if he passes, he's wrong if he shoots, he's wrong if he takes some one on and hrs wrong if he doesn't, problem is the lad doesn't no what he supposed to do, every player gives the ball away, misses the target when shooting, but it seems he's had the big weight of the next big think and it looks like it's all starting to get to him, the lad has talent and is a good player, what he needs is the keyboard warriors and the supposed supporter of our great club to give him some slack, how can anyone play well with so much pressure, if I was him I'd wash my hands of Everton and move to somewhere where he would be appreciated and that would be a big big mistake by our club, and if you think any player can give 100% perfection football all the time, your a moron, who else can do what he does, no one, its all on his shoulders to make things happen.

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29 Dec 2016 11:20:12
Hi NBTB I see some posters below do not agree that Mr Moshiri, R K and Steve Walsh are good for our Club, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on here we have been waiting for this for years, as I have said many times before Good Times Ahead for us True Blues, GuernseyBlue.

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29 Dec 2016 14:16:51
GB, these people watch too many Disney films mate. You really can't just pull a wand out your arse and abbra cadabra all is perfect.
This is reality and it takes time.

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29 Dec 2016 15:25:55
It is to soon to pass judgement on Moshiri or anyone else as yet.
I feel that Koeman should be judged at the end of the season and how he does in this window, as for Walsh it is far to early to judge.
Whatever happens even if we are on the right track it will take time.
This is hard for most of us especially as Mr Klopp is doing so well at Anfield and they play good football.

They, however, have spent a fortune over the last few years and the squad he has is a lot better than ours.
Martinez destroyed the squad at Everton and it became second rate so although it is so frushtrating if we finish in the top half of the table we will have done well this season, Rome was not built in a day.

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29 Dec 2016 16:22:12
Hi GuernseyBlue, are you talking about the disagree clicks? I'd pass no remarks to that. Some people do click them by mistake. There are also some windup merchants on here. There are also those who would give out no matter what. Moshiri, Koeman and Walsh are the best trio that came to this club at the one time for decades for me.

The ambition is obviously there when these changes were made. If the current noises about the transfer window come true then ambition is being acted upon. Word is Lookman is close.

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29 Dec 2016 16:48:11
Hi NBTB, too true mate, we have had our Christmas present let's give them a chance before slating them off, hate to say it again, if they had seen what we have over all these years Rome was not built in a day eh mate, cheers GuernseyBlue.

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29 Dec 2016 16:59:16
Totally GuernseyBlue, they appear as the real deal to me. BK wouldn't let anyone in either.

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29 Dec 2016 17:27:23
NBTB I utterly agree with you. We've had three major new people come to the club all at one time. It will take much more time for them to get this club going in the right direction but the big difference from the last 20 years is we now have the finances and will to make it happen.

I'm buying you, Guernsey, ED25 and a few others on here a bevy at our first game in our new stadium. The rest will probably be moaning about how close to the Mersey it is!

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{Ed025's Note - i will look forward to that john..

29 Dec 2016 08:18:56
Just been watch a utube video of will Hughes of Derby, looks a very good player with a brain at a young age, I would be happy to see him sign for us, but only if we got some one with experience as well, good competition for barkely,

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29 Dec 2016 08:58:19
Anyone can look good when you only watch clips!
Possibly a squad player but we need much better to break into the top 4!

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29 Dec 2016 01:47:38
Whether or not Barkley (or any other player come to that) has talent is not the question - he clearly is a talented footballer. The question is whether or not he can apply his talent to the pattern of play (formation, tactics, etc. ) that the current manger wants to use. One could apply this criterion to many of Everton's current squad.

We fans have our own particular favourites - which imho are often based on wishful thinking (looking through blue-tinted glasses) and enjoying occasional flashes of good play rather than seeing consistently effective and productive performances - and we partisan fans would hate to see our heroes leave our club.

However, we must surely accept that it's for RK make that decision - even if we think it's wrong to release (or retain or sign come to that! ) certain players
If some players don't fit, then they're not at fault or bad players, they just aren't the right player at the right time for the manager's team at that moment in time.
Even if a player does leave and is successful elsewhere, that doesn't mean he'd have been a success here if he'd stayed - be that under the current manager or under any future manager.

I really do think the secret (if there is any secret! ) of football management is about getting the right blend of individuals to become a team; to complement and balance each other's skills within the team-shape; to get them working hard as individuals and as a group; to motivate them so as to give them confidence and self-belief and trust in each other and their common purpose; to build a team-spirit, mental toughness, and winning attitude: and finally to have them enjoying being part of a successful team playing in front of devoted fans.

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29 Dec 2016 08:46:53
You do put some cracking posts on here Sid. I agree yet again wholeheartedly with all you say. And if you don't mind, I will remind people of a time when I was still up on the Wirral and watching every home game. We had a young lad called Steve McMahon who had just broken through to the first team. I can't remember if Howard Kendall had taken over, but Steve McMahon was a gritty hard tackling yet somewhat skillfull player. We really needed someone like him at the time.

But EFC in their wisdom decided to sell this promising kid to Aston Villa. I think the majority of fans were gobsmacked and upset. Of course the lad went on to have a wonderful career with our arch rivals. What we didn't know at the time was that fee was used to fund the purchase of one Trevor Steven. This lad went on to win 10 league titles, 8 cup competitions, 4 charity sheilds and if it had not been for the European ban would probably won more Euro cups.

Ok a lot of the titles were with Rangers, but which player can spout those sort of statistics in the modern game? Probably Ronaldo and Messi. So was it correct to sell McMahon? As it happens, McMahon won 3 titles, 2 FA Cups and 4 charity sheilds with you know who! So who can tell what will pan out?

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29 Dec 2016 15:29:28
Howard Kendall was manager and Mcmahon wanted to go because he believed that Kendall did not know what he was doing, of course he was wrong as things turned out.

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29 Dec 2016 22:41:30
I think you have missed my point Milom. Yes we lost McMahon. but we gained one of the best midfielders our club has ever seen. and Kendall actually stated that he sold McMahon to fund the Steven purchase. The point I was trying to make is that it is a double edged sword. Youcan look at it that we lost a geaat player. or you can look at it that we signed a great player that contributed to our greatest moments in history.

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30 Dec 2016 18:07:32
Swapping Barkley for Sissoko would be like swapping a pound for a penny.

I'm all for improving the team and if we are going to get a better player then of course that is my priority. That goes for any player that has ever played or ever will play for Everton as I support the club before the player.

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29 Dec 2016 00:54:31
If the Lookman transfer (or any other deal supposedly in the offing) doesn't happen, just watch the fragile morale of our fickle fans explode into a torrent of hysteria and abuse on social media.

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29 Dec 2016 01:19:31
We will get at least 3 players in, perhaps 5, I have every confidence in the new owner, the years of bill promising the moon, then failing to deliver, are, OVER.

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29 Dec 2016 01:19:31
We will get at least 3 players in, perhaps 5, I have every confidence in the new owner, the years of bill promising the moon, then failing to deliver, are, OVER.

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29 Dec 2016 01:32:36
Agree Sid, hope to god we get a few players in because I'd have to stay away from the internet rather than listen to the doom and gloom merchants!
Even the first reply to your post says it all tbh. Don't remember BK promising anything. I do remember he had the balls to step up and raise the cash to get the club from the man who was ripping us off and taking us to the lower divisions though. If the rest of the board stepped up at that time then things may have been different. Not much a millionaire can do in a billionaires game tbf.

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29 Dec 2016 10:46:12
Can only see us with 3 new faces Depay, Schneiderlin, Lookman I'll take that.

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29 Dec 2016 12:35:52
I'd take that AB but would really like a creative midfielder like Banega and maybe Keane at the back if I'm being greedy. I hope we are but I don't think we are going for Schneiderlin.

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