Everton Banter Archive September 28 2017

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28 Sep 2017 23:00:33
I know it's early into the season, but how would rate the new players out of 10, with what you have seen. Klassen, Rooney, Martina, Ramirez, Vlasic, Sigurrdson and Pickford and which of these players will be shipped off within the next 2 years. For what it's worth.
Rooney 6 and retired
Vlasic 6 and remains
Sigurddson 4 and remains
Pickford 7 and remains
Ramirez 3 and remains (huge upside)
Martina 3 and gone (only if Koeman is sacked)
Klassen 1 and gone.

What do people think?

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28 Sep 2017 23:10:53
i think the time difference between tbh1e UK and Aussie has filled your head with bubbles mate!

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28 Sep 2017 22:46:26
embarrassing, boring, flat, frustrating, clueless, no desire, (Vlasic and DCL the exceptions) . summary of tonight's performance AND crowd!
Have we moved stadiums already? . I believe that the BT Sports commentator referred to us as Liverpool at one point in the commentary. we deserved that after tonights performance.
Don't know what's next for us now. Burnley will come to badison with victory on their minds. and after that display who are we to stop them!
Williams, Holgate, Baines, Kenny. nowhere near the first team please (sorry Leighton) . RK believes he can fly? . well let's get in touch with KLM and book a flight to Amsterdam. quickly!

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28 Sep 2017 23:38:28
Baines was very good tonite so give your head a shake.

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28 Sep 2017 22:31:57
I said at start of season if we can finnish top six i be happy, tenth or above so so, any less bye bye mr koeman . imo, the team still wearing name badges, iv noticed how the newbys all gather when one scores, like two teams in one, they are still getting to know each other, but admit too many fighting for same place in same team at same time, but i will make my mind up come january untill then i hope too much preasure does not hinder more than help us.

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28 Sep 2017 23:06:06
January will be to late. Koeman needs to get his act together now. The bedding in time has come and gone. For me there are no more excuses. We can forget about this competition now and concentrate on the domestic scene, meaning avioding a relegation battle. Because the way we are playing suggests that one could well be on the horizon.

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29 Sep 2017 11:34:23
Get a grip LB hardly relegation form lost to Chelsea lost to ManU lost to Spurs drew with ManC beat Stoke and beat Bournemouth. I point from the top 4 and beating everyone else, I'd settle for that type of form.

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28 Sep 2017 22:21:55
Not much I can say really, incredible, absolutely incredible.
I really feel Koeman is struggling, he doesn't know his best team and is obsessed with number 10's.
This Sunday has to be a win with a performance or I feel koemans days are numbered.

What was up with Davis tonight?

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{Ed025's Note - he was awful pauly and very weak in challenges mate..

28 Sep 2017 22:40:26
Williams is a huge let down this season. Just seems to of forgotten how to defend. I'd chuck Feeney or Gibson in at left centre half at this rate. couldn't do any worse. Even Mori doesn't have my heart racing as much as Williams does when balls near him. Striker and left side centre golfing January please.

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28 Sep 2017 22:46:23
Half not golfing.

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28 Sep 2017 22:53:47
Feel for Davis as he's trying to carry the team and its dragging his performance down. he needs to get back to being the pain in the arse footballer he was last season!

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28 Sep 2017 23:50:50
To be honest I think that Davies was doing a Ross from last season and just trying too hard. He was energetic and still looked more dangerous than most despite his faults.

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29 Sep 2017 07:39:53
I missed the first 30mins but from what I saw I thought Davies was good. The only one that looked like he was willing to get out of second gear and try. A lot more than can said for the rest.

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{Ed025's Note - im a davies fan NBTB but he was woeful mate..

29 Sep 2017 09:16:24
Fair enough Ed25 I'll take your word for it as I did miss the first 30mins.

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{Ed025's Note - i get no satisfaction from saying that NBTB as im a massive fan of the guy and believe he has so much quality, im putting it down to as off day which all players suffer at times mate..

29 Sep 2017 09:38:17
Totally Ed25. Agree with all that. Seems like a well grounded young fella too.

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28 Sep 2017 22:18:27
Vlasic has to start against Burnley. Siggy starting to show why we bought him. Rooney can't displace siggy or Vlasic so has to be benched. DCL missed header tonight shows me that Niasse has to start up front.

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29 Sep 2017 07:27:01
So you're benching DCL on one missed chance that was well saved by the keeper! Jesus.

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{Ed025's Note - i would play both DCL and niasse john, drop rooney play siggy in the middle and have vlasic and lookman on the wings...but im not a boring dutchman so i doubt that will happen mate..

29 Sep 2017 08:24:23
IMHO Ed I believe no 1 target was always Siggy with Klassen as back up, Rooney came into the picture later on and RK believed he could play him as a striker, which is obviously not the case, but I'm sure he was promised game time which causes the problem.

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{Ed025's Note - you may be right wakka, rooney seems to be all over the place for me and disrupting any plan we might have, he wants to do well im sure but its spoiling the team ehtic and confusing issues mate..

29 Sep 2017 14:22:51
John I would have both play if it is feasible but DCL cannot play all the games we have so I would bench him for the Burnley game. That miss wasn't so much a good save it was straight at him. I like DCL and have no doubt in time he will be great but when we are creating as few chances as we are we have to put the easy ones away and that is what Niasse is doing. So not benching him to punish him but easing him in without burning him out because it's a long season.

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28 Sep 2017 22:09:31
Ok before the doomongers have there posts we were a little unlucky and should have wrapped this game up long before their equaliser!
Most obvious was that the introduction of pace in Vlasic and DCL changed things and caused problems! Defenders hate pace and I cannot understand why RK will not realise this!
I thought Rooney put a shift in and was at the heart of a lot of good moves.
The youngsters were ok but Holgate cost another goal but he needs to learn and be more switched on defensively. We all wanted Kenny to start but was slightly disappointing in his final ball.
Contrary to other comments Davis offers a lot going forward and thought although he ran down a few blind alleys he was creative unlike other midfielders!
We will still keep leaking soft goals and until we can score more than we concede we are going to struggle, at times second half we looked more confident but again a soft goal cost us!

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{Ed025's Note - i dont know what game you were watching wakka, rooney messes the whole system for me mate he is more of a hinderence than a help and tom was the worst player on any pitch tonight, he can be good but not tonight im afraid..

28 Sep 2017 22:22:13
Problem is Ed too many 10’s but for me he did ok, Davis at least carried the ball where others did nothing but sideways passing, until vlasic came on we looked shot shy and stale and had no pace to cause their defence problems I think Sandro should have come off earlier.
We looked one paced predictable and cautious in the first half but much better second half!

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{Ed025's Note - we will have to agree to disagree on tom tonight wakka, i love the guy but tonight was not his night for me mate..

28 Sep 2017 22:04:51
Got to say I said I'd give koeman 15 games at least to allow players to bed in before I made a judgement but selection was wrong again. In all walks of life if you continue doing the same thing and get the same result, you can't expect change. It's not rocket science.

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{Ed025's Note - your right gibbo...how many times to you have to get smacked in the face before you learn to duck?..

28 Sep 2017 22:20:38
its not about players bedding in its a shambles 2 holding mids and 3 number 10's again, lookman for davies instead of klaasan an it would had been game over, he is clueless, forget 15 games get him out now, dunc and unsworth in temporary charge, guarentee they will play with balance and players in right positions.

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28 Sep 2017 22:47:28
My point was nothing about players bedding in, it was an opinion on how long I'd give him to get it right. He needs to mix in the players with youth and pace with the experience, it's all experience and it's not working. You look at our bench tonight and we had bags of pace on there, rotate the team more with a few pacey players on there.

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28 Sep 2017 22:03:50
Koeman seems as though he does not really know what team to pick at the moment. starting again with gana and Schneiderlen in the side. too defensive. and the commentators are talking of lack of pace within 15 minutes of the game starting. Vlasic a positive but amazing to see neither lookman or Mirallas considered to give us width. how long does it take for the lessons of past games to sink in?
Too slow and too much sideways passing. Please Ronnie. pick a side from the start that looks balanced.

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28 Sep 2017 22:09:13
I just wonder, how can a manager watch that display and not think 'we are far too slow and narrow'. Is Koeman just too stubborn or can he really not see that?

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28 Sep 2017 22:11:30
When you spend £140m on players questions would be asked if you didn’t pick them!

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28 Sep 2017 22:03:19
Positives to take from tonight-

We didn’t lose
Vlasic.

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28 Sep 2017 22:12:13
I've actually stopped fuming after these kinds of results. It's the same story every time.

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28 Sep 2017 21:29:21
why is he bringing klaasan on now we have 3 number 10's on yet again if. i was lookman i would not be happy at all absolute joke.

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28 Sep 2017 22:07:00
Because that is the way Koeman insists on us playing and that is why we will be hopeless until either he changes or he goes. The way we are playing I hope he goes to be perfectly honest. The team is a shambles, the excuse that the new players need time to gel is getting old and it certainly is not a pleasure to watch. We are leaking goals even against poor opponents and find it difficult to score, a bad combination. The team is set up with too many players who are defensively minded, and the team is too narrow with no width. Everyone can see this, even the commentators but Koeman still insists on playing the same way.

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28 Sep 2017 21:28:03
From the bbc

I've never seen a player upset the balance of a team quite like Wayne Rooney, and United had this issue. Too talented not to play, but doesn't actually play one position! Runs around and disrupts others positions. Without him United are flying!

Hits the nail on the head for me.

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{Ed025's Note - and me RIB..

28 Sep 2017 21:49:36
So why is he playing then? why did we get him? Why can't he be dropped?

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28 Sep 2017 21:27:39
Davis has been hopeless tonight.

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely..

28 Sep 2017 21:00:22
What have Mirallas and Lookman got to do to start a game? This is just too slow and predictable.

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{Ed025's Note - 2 holding mids does that MJB..get schneiderlin off i say..

28 Sep 2017 21:08:54
I agree ed but I bet he looks amazing in training with all that sideways passing.

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28 Sep 2017 20:58:57
eds, to holding mids again even worse because its at home, sandro upfront on his own looks lost needs to be in a front 2 for me and gylfi an rooney number 10's, i say rooney off schniderlin off dcl on and lookman on anget this sorted its awful managing again what's your take on it.

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{Ed025's Note - i want rooney off for DCL and lookman for sandro myself mate

28 Sep 2017 21:04:58
agree mate but take a holding mid off aswell preferbly schniederlin get mirallas or vlasic on and play with 2 wingers.

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28 Sep 2017 20:55:38
Pickford and holgate looked alright. Impossible to judge the full backs as they saw so little of the ball, we are playing so narrow. Williams is awful. Gana has actually been good. Davies and Schniederlin good at breaking up play both very sloppy with the ball. Forgot Sigurdsson was playing apart from at set pieces, Sandro needs to calm down, Rooney offered very little. Again, we've created no real opening in another 45 minutes. Sloppy in possession, pedestrian tempo. Second half needs to be much better if we are to get the vital win required to give ourselves a chance of getting out of this group.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree svenny..

28 Sep 2017 22:06:27
There's a lot of our play looking to go back into a busy 18 yard line. Full backs waiting for ball and players turning towards the centre of pitch instead of putting it wide for them.

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28 Sep 2017 22:46:42
At least Vlasic looks a steal, the rest of them look poor. So sloppy in possession. No shape no tempo. Abject. Ancelloti is available.

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28 Sep 2017 20:23:49
here we go again how can yers keep backing koeman like i say i always back our managers but he has got to go no width no balance to team nothing at all he has to go this is absoloutly shite.

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28 Sep 2017 20:56:27
I have to agree mate I can't get yo the game today as I'm working away but this has to be one of the worst managers we have ever had the football we play is terribly boring the team selection is also terible and the tactics are none existing. I'm sorry but I just don't see anything in the manager I don't think it will all come together when the players settle down as most think if anything he will take us down . I still think he will be gone by xmas I just hope it's not to late to be saved I've never been so fed up watching everton in a long long time.

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28 Sep 2017 21:03:14
i know mate I've not gone tonight got season ticket for league, but i just know what's going to happen, mirralas lookman and vlasic on bench its just doesn't make sense, he hasn't give lookman a sniff of football has he fellout with him aswell i wudnt be surprised i'm really pissed off at the moment mate he is ****ing clueless.

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28 Sep 2017 21:05:58
I agree Skylark. I keep watching and going games with the feint hope we'd see something different. but it's the same pedestrian rubbish served up time and time again. How long do we have to wait for them to ''gel'? I'm hopeful of changes for the last 25 mins and a win but why can't we come flying out of the blocks?

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28 Sep 2017 18:56:34
Young Jonjoe in the line up for tonight good on R K.

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{Ed025's Note - he deserves it GB..

28 Sep 2017 19:11:51
Agree with that Ed hope young Lookman also gets some playing time though.

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28 Sep 2017 10:46:28
What about putting players like Klassen and sandro in to the U23 for a runout and to try and gain some confidence because as it stands both players are not up to speed with premier league standard - it seemed to work to a point with Niasse - played a lot of U23 games, scored a few goals and now it seems some of the hard work has paid off.

Klassen and sandro were brought in to score goals and tbh neither looks like scoring atm.

In regards to line ups you cannot play Klassen, sigs and rooney in the same team and I am no premier league manager! - one has to miss out.

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28 Sep 2017 11:12:03
As much as it pains me to say it I'd have Rooney on the bench tonight. I know he's got a wealth of european experience but I feel we make most of our plays through him and that stifles other players creativity and to a point confidence.

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28 Sep 2017 19:09:28
Won't happen.

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