Everton Banter Archive June 28 2013

28 Jun 2013 23:15:44
I love our club and to be totally honest who ever we lose and who ever we bring in over the next transfer window I will be 100% behind our team. We are everton and you can't beat our support, we have been and always will be the best club in the world. I couldn't be prouder to be an everton supporter NSNO for ever

Andy

28 Jun 2013 22:50:56
Listen am everton,. your everton,. ye, let's stick together,. who ever bobby byes we get behind them that's what supporting your teams about we no were short of cash and will have to sell to bye so what we will get on with it, the thing is we have the one thi g that money can't bye spirit and togetherness and that alone will carry us through a tough season, for me bobby was not the preferred option but I will give him a chance to prove me wrong, it's critical that he gets his sighing spot on because he will live or die by these, if he gets these wrong he will be gone at the end of the season,. tristen {Ed025's Note - he was certainly my preferred option tris..

28 Jun 2013 22:27:48
hi ed listening to sky sport news tnite we seem to be inviting another bid for bainsey, I though bill had told rb we would signing players not selling ar best, ihope bill gets his act together cheers ed

Saying not for sale won't stop team coming in for him

TC

28 Jun 2013 21:37:57
Hi all, by all accounts it seems Baines would be happy to stay so if that is right we must do all we can to keep him. If we are to be pretty active in the window then Fellaini would have to go. I think we should let Fellaini go as I don't think Fellaini's style of play will fit in with Martinez style. Fellaini slows everything down, were as I think Martinez will look to play a fast attacking passing game. I would be happy to let Fellaini go for his buy out price of which is 28m euro or about 23.8m pounds. Let Heitinga go for between 3m and 4m and Gueye for half a million. That would give us about 27m-28m to add to a budget of about 12m-13m which would give us a total of about 40m.
INS
K. Scheimcal (spelling) 4m
A. Alcaraz free
J. McCarthy 12.5m
N. Redmond 2m
K. Honda 5m
A. Kone 6.5m
V. Moses 8m.

Would Ed and my fellow Evertonians be happy with these.

Dero. {Ed025's Note - some good picks there dero..

28 Jun 2013 20:20:58
Can anyone tell me, how many season tickets we have sold, or perhaps you can ed {Ed025's Note - loads..

28 Jun 2013 19:37:09
Can I point out that we have sold 1 player to Manchester United since the premier league began.

So all of this talk about us being a feeder club for them, please get your facts straight and stop being so pessimistic.

As you don't know many facts it was Rooney and we got one of the biggest fees between Premiership clubs in history. So they don't go cheap either! {Ed025's Note - fair point john..

Agree sold players to top 4 sides because they wanted to go. baines doesn't want to go. if we have aspirations of top 4, keep Baines

Everton need to look at spurs and levy. a few years ago berbatov, carrick Keane were all allowed to leave to rival so called big clubs. levy now has a policy were he won't sell to top four clubs. ie modric,. sold to r Madrid instead of chelsea. feel now spurs are takin a lot more seriously now as a top side. apart from bale there wages are similar to ares. baines staying is a clear statement of are ambitions

To be fair, we've done pretty well out of our dealings with Man U, bringing in some good players at fair prices over the years. Gibson, Howard, Neville etc. But that could be halcyon days now with the cheekiness of the Baines bid.

28 Jun 2013 19:20:00
Anyone think Kevin Gameiro is still worth a look? Haven't seen his name mentioned for a while. He's been looked at by the reds, but He could be tempted off PSGs bench with a fair bid from us.

28 Jun 2013 17:53:29
Tell you what ed and blues this chun youn lee check spelling, lad would be a good signing he is a very tidy player and we might nick from under the reds noses as there intrested aswell imagine him and Honda in the team.

28 Jun 2013 17:41:33
Guys and girls let's not get too carried away here. I appreciate this is a Rumours site but we should look at the comments logically.
We were told the was an agreement not to take our players unles someone bid first.
That appears to be nonsense now. one of moyes attributes was he Always spoke with dignity and was Never scared to admit he was wrong or we were crap hence I can't see him going back on his word so there was never any agreement in first place. don't forget he is mancs boss now and is trying his best for them. this is normal for prev managers to try and cherry pick players
The issue now is how bad the mancs want him and how high will they go.
Lets be realistic here no way do I want him to go but if 20 million is on the table that would be so difficult to refuse, we could get 2 X 10 mill players or 3 X 6 mill
I would miss baines he has been fantastic for us a nd we do need to strengthen all round. remember we only paid 6 for him and he is 28.
Of course he could squash all this if he says he wants to stay that would be great, guess my point is if not and we get 20mill for him it won't be the end of the world like any player he could get a serious injury in his Next game or suffer a loss of fprm.
As for all the names we are linked with don't be gullible enough to think they are all true, trust the manager and the club to get the right players, we Still have a budget to work to, admittedly it does look a bit more than moyes had to work with.
Whoever we buy or sell I will always be 100% behind in the blue of EFC
Cant wair for the season to start
COYB Everton Forever
Blue60 {Ed025's Note - cracking post that 60 mate..

Thanks ed blue60
Keep up the good work

Agree if he wants to go let I'm go. but there's no way he sounds like he wants to go. as for 20 that will be diluted into at best 15. them two 10 mill, players become 2 7. 5 players. I've seen two many times a team sells its good players and replace them with average players. we need to keep Baines, it's a given Felliani is probably goin. keeping Baines is massive, u keep selling your best players u will slip down. happened to liverppol and aresenal to a degree, but look at villa few years ago they were like us around the top six, sold there best players last year just about stayed up. everything that I love about everton I see in Baines, humble hardworking brilliant player. but most importantly I feel he wants to stay

For what its worth I agree, I definitely think he wants to stay, heres hoping
Blue60

28 Jun 2013 16:43:19
Never thought I'd see the day when I agreed with anything that gobs*ite gerrard said but I also hope moyes has a 'wobble' next season after the way he's treated us so far this year.
Domo

Look at the vile abuse that's gets posted on this page bet the eds on reds page don't post stuff like this {Ed025's Note - vile abuse??...get a grip lad..

Vile abuse? that's quality mate, made my day that.

28 Jun 2013 15:34:21
We won't be able to afford rooneys wages!

Its not allways about he wages he his getting on now sooner he will ave to take a pay cut

He won't have to take a pay cut for the next few years, but it would be nice if just once, a player said I've got enough money, I'd like to play for the team I support, and be like the players I idolised. Wishfull thinking, me thinks. Blue Lee {Ed025's Note - it is lee mate..

28 Jun 2013 16:26:26
Me and my mates have met Bainesy at Glastonbury, he said he wants to stay at Goodison, looking forward to meeting Martinez. Will only go if Everton accept a deal but even then he said he might not. Loves Everton

Baines won't got to Mancs, loves everton. bill don't sell would be letting everyone down, you're always saying u listen to the fans. here's your chance to prove it. this is one deal uve got to block

28 Jun 2013 14:42:16
Gods doctor, Wizard of osman, micky blue eyes, Bitter blue, Cow pat zid, have any of these guys posted lately its just there were regular posters on here for a long time and haven't seen a post from them in a while are they still about.

I posted yesterday, Stef, about the Baines situation. There were so many posts that mine dropped off the bottom the page. {Ed025's Note - its not very often your posts get binned sid..

28 Jun 2013 13:52:27
Just thought I would share that at first I wasn't keen on the new kit, after making my self look at it again I think it's s**t hot, also going back to the white socks is awesome, just a little bit of inthusiasm! COYB

Rich84

28 Jun 2013 13:37:17
Wayne Rooney posed to tell Moyes he still wants out of Utd. Don't be surprised if a deal is struck involving him and Baines swapping sides and passing each other on the East Lancs Road.

Never, the lad has some ambition and is on 250k a week.

I'd be surprised, can't see Rooney taking such a big pay cut.

28 Jun 2013 16:39:16
swap deals are very rare.

It won't happen. No way Jose.

28 Jun 2013 13:27:36
The quality of players that Martinez is reportedly interested in McGreagy / Kone and Alcraza will not add the quality to the squad to take us to the next level.

Sack Martinez now before he dismantles 11 years work in one transfer window

So you would sack martinez over transfer rumours. abit pathetic I think. Even so kone would be a good addition and alcaraz a squad player. I honestly believe as soon as a player is available for 20 mill so fans think 'we should get him', let's face it we haven't got the money. But yeah let's sack martinez and get pullis in. I think not

Do you have proof he is after those? Because the media is hardly 100% correct at any time, is it!

28 Jun 2013 17:56:11
I see there is still a few martinez haters out there or you could be a kopite kone is a good player imo just won't have his pace forever and alcaraz would be a good squad player and same as keith do you have proof we are after these players? If you believe the press then you must think honda is crap too as we have been linked with him get a grip mate and get behind the manager

Bit early to judge him isn't it, when he's not even started his job?
How would you feel if a prospective employer sacked you before you even started your job? Give the guy a bloody chance and then judge him.
Dex

It is just a pity we have no way of sacking unthinking, negative so called fans.

Whoever this is get real. Martinez is our manager. Whether you wanted him or not.

If you're one of these supposed supporters that goes the game and all he does is moan please don't bother.

Me and 40,000 of my mates are going to support, sing and bloody well dance next year at every game.

So either put on your dancing shoes and come dance with us or as I suspect, your slippers and get back in your armchair and moan to the television.

How long would moyes have lasted in john moores era he sacked bingham in the semi finals of fa cup the league cup 5th in the league moyes wouldn't have lasted 2 mins proving how backwards werve become those standeds are utd he won't last 2 mins martinez is a better manager

28 Jun 2013 11:52:06
Moyes is bouncing us up and down like a ball don't sell to utd keep our best players please for gods sake.

28 Jun 2013 11:41:54
We've now put a £20m price tag on Baines. Why? Does BK not realise that no amount of money is sufficient to fill the gap his departure will leave. I don't care if they bid £50m, we can't afford to let him go.

28 Jun 2013 10:21:13
Now that Baines is wanted by United it wouldn't surprise me if we got rid of Fellaini and brought in Fer, Honda, Kone, Redmond and Banga

Do not sell baines, no for a fact he dose not want to go,. the message it will send out if we keep baines is massive. plain and simple sell baines it will set us back for years. many clubs sell there best players and replace them with average players. felliani is the one who will be sacrificed. this is all about kenwright, remember the Martinez press conference he said we don't need to sell and especially make a point about baines. for once bill be true to your words

Don't like the sound of that at all.

Couldn't of put it better myself.

28 Jun 2013 09:57:52
Everyone keeps talking about bringing the squad age down, but consider a few things.

Barkley will play a role in every game this year (starting or off the bench). Duffy should play a greater role in the next few years. Stones, Kennedy, junior have been purchased in the past 12 months and will begin to push into the first team the next 2-3 years. Not to mention Lundstram, Green etc in the academy are potentials for the future.

Take out Howard and Distin and the rest of the squad has at least more than 2 seasons to continue at their peak. So signing a 29 or 30 year old that has no injury issues for cheap that can go straight into the first team still gives you 3 good seasons to get value.

At this point, I would take anyone who can give us 4 seasons at their peak and improve the first 11. Otherwise, sit back and be happy to survive the next 3 years while we bring our youth through. Like Villa.

I see your point there m8. intergrate players in their prime alongside youth. i'd still have Redmond. wants to join and 2mill for a 19yr old. It would be good buisness. He obviously wants to play for us and isn't a money grabber.

28 Jun 2013 09:28:58
I have always retained my disapproval at David Moyes' treatment of Everton ever since he ran down his contract last year and i'm afraid last night only proves my point even more, there are so many things wrong with that Baines bid, that it's almost embarrassing on his part.

Firstly, he is still Everton's manager until July the 1st, he's put a bid in for his own player, bonkers that is, it's all well and good seeing speculation of a bid, but an official bid, jesus christ that's just a joke.

Secondly, there were rumours of a 12 million bid last year, if they are true, then it's disrespectful to value him at the same price, especially after the bid was swiftly rejected and he said "bring your cheque book" to anyone who wanted the players. It's not as if Baines has been awful all year with very little impact, 12 million shows a lack of respect for a club that treated him so well.

Finally, leading on from the end of the previous point, Everton made David Moyes, he said he had left us in the best possible shape, and genuinely seemed upset at leaving Everton, well that didn't last long, he's tried to take us from that best possible position despite a public warning from BK to keep away from Baines, no less than a few days before he even becomes their manager.

He thought it was okay to stroll around United's training ground while we paid his wages, says it all really.

I hope he gets a hostile reception when he comes back, he is no longer welcome, he did fairly well for us but is legendary status really deserved? Not a chance, hope he is sacked by Christmas.

The grass is never greener when you move from Everton, and David Moyes should know that better than anyone.

Alex

Well said Alex.

I agree with all that and i'm so disappointed with him bidding on baines, I suppose its no difference to us being touted round round wigan players (as sad as that is), I know we have made no bids yet so its a bit different but you can see my point

MikeDeBlue

Well said alex - I've said similar just above before seeing your post

Everton fans are going off Moyes

Avoiding us getting any compo - even a couple of million - was bad, but coming back and raiding our most influential player is really hacking me off

and as for 12million? - do one Moyes!

You're right in that sense, and Roberto would be guilty of it if he went for Kone too, but it's all speculation around Wigan's players at the moment

Alex

The difference Mike?

Bill told Moyes to stay away from Baines specifically.

Whelan said Martínez can come back and raid Wigan if he likes.

Nice one Alex

Disagree MikeDeBlue - Wigan have been relegated and wil be looking to cut wages - and some of their players will want to leave - it won't be Martinez that's forcing an unpopular move - unlike Moyes with Baines

28 Jun 2013 09:12:07
If the Baines rumours are true this is a very important week in our clubs history. If he goes with Fellani and we bring in Fer, Honda what possible chance have we of breaking into the top 4? But if they stay and those names came in that's surely got to be progress?
Not a BK hater but enough of the sound bites and a bit more substance now please Bill.
We've had 20 years of being looked down at and offered crumbs from the rich mans table. (never forgot how we gave away Lineker for 2m to Barcelona).
If you want the best left back in the world Moyes, you can have him. 30 million, and cash on table!

28 Jun 2013 09:29:24
Theres no denying Baines, Fellaini (and to a lesser extent Heitenga) are huge players for Everton but Oviedo, Barkley and Duffy are all ready to step up a level and although they're still a class below the current 3, how much worse would we be as a team, really?

Baines - 15m, Fellaini -25m, Heitenga 4m. Add in another 10m 'new manager' money and that's 54m to spend on a world class striker, a quality number 10 and 3 up and coming squad players. I wouldn't be too disappointed with that

Wake up. if they were good enough then they would have got some game time under moyes. WE NEED TO KEEP OUR BEST PLAYERS WE don't WANT PLAYERS FROM RELEGATED TEAMS OR PLAYERS THAT ARE AT BEST RESERVES>>>>>>>>

BIG Jay

They didn't get a chance in the first team because Moyes had his favourites. You've only got to look at how many games Neville played to see he was Moyes' blue-eyed boy.

28 Jun 2013 07:52:02
sometimes u av 2 sell to bring in! That's what were about! Its out with the old and in with the new. Its getting exciting.

28 Jun 2013 06:29:06
I cannot believe EFC did not put clause in the move of Moyes to Man U that he could not come in for EFC players for at least one year?
No wonder people are saying EFC are Man U's B team and feeder club.
I suppose they kept EFC from bankruptcy {Ed025's Note - he was out of contract mate, hard to put any clauses there i would think..

How could they moyes was free agent from july1st we could not even get moye compo from united as he was not under contract. its all been done too comfy for my liking. tp.

In January they should have said sign or leave period, that way we would have got compo

Moyes ran his contract down knowing were his destiny lay. We all knew that the offer for Baines would be coming, it's up to the blues to politely tell old Davey to fxck off. 12 mil for one of the best left backs in the world? Cheeky fxckers. (Wavertree Blue)

28 Jun 2013 01:08:32
Okay ed please post this, I wanted to get peoples opinion on this do I seem aggressive to people? Because apparantly I am very aggressive towards people I disagree with and if I am apologies but I don't think I am I don't use harsh language or belittle people? So am I aggressive towards any of you?

28 Jun 2013 07:20:13
Never offended me yet Skitto

Degsy

Passionate yes, agressive hell no.

Maybe aggressive is the wrong word. I'd say belligerent was more fitting.

28 Jun 2013 13:39:30
Thanks for the feedback lads

27 Jun 2013 23:41:11
So David Moyes has rejected a bid from himself? Isn't he manager until the 1st? Haha soft lad

Rich84

No, Kenwright rejected it.

27 Jun 2013 23:13:42
redmond wants to join everton

27 Jun 2013 22:55:40
Everyone saying kone is too old, we paid £6m for Distin when he was 30 and I don't think many of us would call that bad business.

Good argument but defenders tend to reach their peak later and go on for longer.