Everton Banter Archive October 27 2016

 

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27 Oct 2016 21:15:38
What the he'll is going on with some of the thinking of our fans at the moment on this site it's beyond belief . I will probably get slated for saying it but it is a banter page after all, but I just can't see the obsession in rooney.

thought we was meant to be moving forward?

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27 Oct 2016 22:39:07
Yes Skylark. If it means signing him to move us forward then that's what we need to do. It's a gradual process to improve the team. It will be done in stages with a lot of tweeking here and there.

We are not going to go from Niasse, Kone and McGeady to Messi, Neymar and Suarez in one season. Rooney would be an improvement in our squad.

Support for Rom up front. Even the lone striker on occasion maybe. Also would be healthy competition for Barkley. Would be good influence on all the players and the whole set up.

His knowledge and experience must be recognised and valued. So to have that in the dressing room would be an enormous asset.

That's my opinion. Not saying it has to be everyone's. I'm aware there will be plenty who won't want him. There is also plenty who will.

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28 Oct 2016 11:45:04
Skylark, the obsession with Rooney is as follows: At 16 he broke into our first teamin the most dramatic was with a wonder goal against the England number 1 goalkeeper and against a side considered to be the best at the time. He then scored a significant amount of goals for us in a short time. I particularly remember winning away at Leeds for the first time in donkey's years with a late wonder goal from him. We then sold him for a fee that bought us time and quite a few players that we have since sold on at profit. His career at Man Utd then became second to only Bobby Charlton goals wise. As he approached his 30's, he slowed down a bit but was still England captain and withdre to playing a deeper role. His form dipped for probably the end of last season and certainly for the beginning of this season. Lukau went 13 games without scoring a little while back and looked terrible. Jags looked awful last season at times. As did Baines and Coleman. So yes Rooney might just be past it. He could also be in a dip in form and he is nowhere near as slow as Gascoigne and Ginola were when they joined us. My guess (and it is a guess) is that he is suffering a bit of a loss of confidence and is a bit stale at Old Trafford. He needs a boost as often happens when aplayer changes clubs. Someone else gave comparisons with Peter Reid and Andy Gray. I could add Peter Bierdsly and a few other players who were considered "past it" who then went on for a few more incredible years. So judging Rooney on 10 games or so is a bit premature in my view. A small gamble on the ex England and Man Utd captain would be worth a punt in my view. Especially if he made it known he wanted his Swansong at the club he has undoubtedly never stopped supporting. Some role as a coach or involvement with the youth system might be a way of luring him? But to rule him out just because of 10 or so bad games and his age of 30 years is in my view premature. To suggest that everyone is "obsessed" is also wrong. I would like him but am not obsessed.

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28 Oct 2016 12:16:02
Once a blue always a blue.

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28 Oct 2016 13:18:02
Far too many hearts ruling heads.

You've all gone from wanting a young Brahimi to wanting an over the hill Rooney in the space of 2 months.

Why? Truly ask yourself this question. It's all because he used to play for us and be good at one time.

'So yes Rooney might just be past it'


So why do you want to take the risk? If it wasn't Rooney but another 31 year old that couldn't get in the team would you want him after being linked with all the players we have over thee summer. Of course not.

There's no room for sentiment in football and we don't have money to waste on a bench warmer at united who would want to play 90 minutes every game at us. Otherwise he would just stay at United! We are trying to invest properly in players and in the infrastructure. Why take a step back now?

'Once a blue always a blue'. There's are more adept saying for this issue - Once you've lost it you never get it back.

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28 Oct 2016 14:15:22
I'm unsure as to whether this would be a good move for him and for us. If we brought him back would he improve the squad? Obviously, he is better than the likes of Niasse and Kone so of course it would strengthen what we already have. The only stumbling block would be financial, what would united want for a fee and what WR would want in wages. He is on a massive deal right now but, until the conversation is made, none of us know what the lad will be happy with, he may take a massive pay cut to move. He may also decide to cash in and move to a place that pays daft wages, usa or china.
What I find annoying is those who say that he is finished at the age of 31. Let's be honest, his last few managers, both at club and national level, have thrown him under the bus. Under LVG, he was played in midfield as that particular manager hadn't bought well and he could do a job in the middle of the park. He is a few goals shy of becoming united's all time top scorer and is already holding the record for the national team. He is a striker not a midfielder. Even under Jose, he hasn't had much of a look in but they have brought in ZI for a considerable amount of cash (wages wise, I know he was on a free) and seems to play every game. Maybe a change is as good as a rest for WR.

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28 Oct 2016 14:23:35
BlueJohn - I think you're right, we need to take emotion out of it, both positive and negative.

It all comes down to very simple questions:
1) Would he improve our first XI? Probably
2) Would he improve our squad? Definitely
3) Would he be an asset off the field to improve our promising youngsters? Definitely

For me some of the key areas of our squad that we are lacking are:
someone to provide competition up front
someone to remove some of the goal scoring burden from Rom,
creativity to support Rom
and a leader in the team in front of the back 4.

Rooney improves us in all of these areas in my view. If the price and wages are right then it's a no brainer to me.

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28 Oct 2016 14:54:23
You're asking the wrong questions.

Is he a long term solution? no.

Is he value for money? No

Is he a player with potential? No

Is he a consistent performer? No

Is he an improving footballer? No

Can he play upfront on his own anymore? No

Can he last 90 minutes at 80 to 100%? No

Is he an impact from the bench? No. Just take a look at the Slovenia game

Could he be a back up player for Rom? Maybe.

Would he want to be a back up player? No

Is he in form? No and not been for more than a season

Don't ask the questions you want to hear. Ask the ones that are important.

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28 Oct 2016 16:30:10
I take it you don't want him then? Who we going to play up front when Roms gone in January because there won't be any top class strikers available then.

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28 Oct 2016 16:46:55
Rooney isn't available now! So how about we start looking for realistic targets that are BETTER than what we have which is Rom. Rom also in all likelihood is going to off next year so maybe long term IS the way we should be looking at things.

People are saying he is better than Kone and Niasse. How many games have they played exactly this season?

Oh, wait, you mean you want to spend £15 mil a year for another bench warmer and who has deteriorated over the past 18 months.

I love Rooney and always wanted him back at the club. However, I wanted the Rooney that was at the top of his game and could transform our team into a top four contender. He's just not that type of player anymore.

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28 Oct 2016 19:04:45
BlueJohnUns I only agree with 2 of your answers to above questions. The is he an improving player and can he last 90mins. I agree the answer to both are no. The answer to the rest I don't agree with. Some of them are right but have counter arguments too.

Like he'd be too expensive. No one knows how much he would cost or how much wages he would command. Just because he's on high wages now does not mean he will always be.

Reverse the sentimental crap. If he wasn't a past player would we be interested? Like, I see some people showing interest in Sneijder. He's past his best and has no history with Everton.

Yet he would improve the team or certainly the squad. Neither would be long term but the future of our club is. We will have to steadily and slowly improve the squad. Both would be short term players who would help improve the squad and hopefully push things to improve the squad even further when they leave.

Hell, I wouldn't care if he never was at Everton before. I'd still want to sign him, especially with everything he would bring with him.

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28 Oct 2016 23:01:11
Of course you only agree to two of them because your listening to your heart.

I want him at the club playing week in week out and banging in goal after goal BUT those points above are real and no matter what he ISN'T the Rooney of two years ago never mind when he was at his peak.

He's scoring 4 goals less each season in the league and last season managed 15 (8 league) in 47 games. This season he's on 1 in 12. He doesn't play in Barry's position and for what we need him to do which is the striker or no 10 role he hasn't got it anymore and would not be in these positions at 33, 34 or 35. To make comparison to Barry's position, well you might as well compare him to Tim Howard they are that different.

Would I have him as a sub? Yes. Would he be a sub? No. Would I pay £15mil a season for him? Are you kidding!

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29 Oct 2016 00:31:35
Your just not listening full stop BlueJohnUns. The comparison to Barry is they started at similar ages. Strikers can play late into their 30's. Plenty have. Giggs was what 40 or something. An exception yea but why can't Rooney go for another 3 or 4 years?

For your sake BlueJohnUns he better not recover from his bad form. It's not over until the fat lady sings. I wouldn't completely rule out Rooney yet. We have only 2 months gone. We all know he's past his best but finished? I'll wait a good while to be sure of that.

Who said he'd be 15m a year? No one knows how much he would be a year. It's only when they sit down and talk business would anyone know. Obviously only if it makes financial sense should we sign. People on about a big fee to Utd. Couldn't see that happening either. If he's surplus to requirements and as bad as you say BlueJohnUns they won't demand any fee.

As I said which you don't acknowledge because you probably didn't read it. If he never played for Everton before I'd still be in favour of signing him. It doesn't and shouldn't matter if he was at Everton before.

Only reason I'd want him at the club is to improve things. Not because I'm being sentimental or want to rekindle anything. Honestly think he could do a job for us. If there is life still in him will you admit you were wrong BlueJohnUns?

I'm not saying there definitely is but I'm not saying there is not either. Giving him the benefit of the doubt. And not saying he's finished until he definitely is.

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29 Oct 2016 07:18:13
How many wanted Barry gone last season, get rid too old, past it, quite a few wanted rid of Barry, now all praising him and saying great player.

Anyone who thinks Rooney is a step backwards, take a damn good look at our players at present in his position, no brainer for me, he will be one hell of an addition.

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29 Oct 2016 09:03:13
NBTB he is on 300k a week and has two years left- £30 mil. In what insane world do you think he is going to come to us for less and give that up? In what insane world would someone pay £30 mil for Rooney over that period.

I get that people would love to see him back I would too. However, I want players at the top of their game who can take us to next level. I don't want a player who when he plays takes England and United down a level. I think we are better than that.

The Barry comparison is plain stupid. For a number 10 or striker you need pace and acceleration which he hasn't got. We don't need another deep lying midfielder who can sit back.

Look at this way could Barry play as a striker or number 10?

You say on my points that you agree with two and on the others I am right but there is an argument. I'm sorry but on a £30mil gamble there should be no argument. Too many ifs and maybes.

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29 Oct 2016 09:51:40
Rooney not going anywhere like I said! . now Morinho is saying it.

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29 Oct 2016 10:06:37
It's a shame degsy I really wanted him. 😁

On another note. Don't fall out with me I love a barn stormer and I get the passion for him I do too. If it was two years ago the vote would have 100%.

I remember getting an England shirt the day he came on against Spurs and sky put it all over the TV as he wasn't even being thought of for the national team.

It's a shame what happened between him and Moyes and maybe if that all didn't happen we'd have of won a trophy by now.

And of course if he comes I sing and dance like the rest of you. He's one of our own afterall.

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29 Oct 2016 13:42:14
Nobody is saying he would be on 15m a year at Everton only you BlueJohnUns. I replied to the wages point below.

So on the basis of your points. Rooney won't be able to get into the Utd team or even panel by the way your talking. Play with reserves and pick up £300,000 a week?

Can't see that happening. Rooney doesn't come across at all as the type of player who would sit on his arse for a big pay cheque. No matter how big. Strikes me as the type of player who wants to play ball.

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29 Oct 2016 16:30:46
Maybe NBTB. Personally I've never seen it happen so it would be a 1st plus it would be a whopping 220k he'd have to drop.

I suppose its all ifs and buts and who knows. For me though I hope we go back in for a Brahimi or some of the more youngish strikers we've been linked with. If Rooney wants to come warm the bench for Rom he's welcomed by me.

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29 Oct 2016 20:16:52
Definitely ifs and buts. One thing for sure he's going to have to take a pay cut sooner or later.

Its a squad effort. We could be looking for other talent also. Its a never ending revolving door. Who knows how long even Lukaku will still be around.

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30 Oct 2016 09:39:05
I think Lukaku is gone this summer and would say it is only a very slim chance him staying.

If he hasn't signed a contract by march I'd start guessing on who is going to replace him. I don't even think CL would keep him at the club.

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27 Oct 2016 10:56:55
How do all these people who say would cost a fortune know? Have u asked him? He might take a massive cut to come to us, he could come to us for 4/ 5 years if he wanted and still have time left in his career to do a season or two abroad to make his retirement money, the amount ov people on here who assume things about Everton and the internal workingsbov transfers is bordering on embarrassing now no wonder ed002 gets annoyed.

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27 Oct 2016 18:58:05
It's just my opinion mate. I personally think he would take a wage cut to come back if he knows for certain his opportunities will be limited at Utd. That said, Utd would not let him go for nothing and I wouldn't want to lose out on a quality younger signing because we've blown a load on Rooney when the return on investment will be minimal.

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27 Oct 2016 20:33:04
I would prefer RK and SW to determine who they wanted to bring in. I don't really think Rooney will be in the frame but if he does arrive then he will get my support.

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27 Oct 2016 22:30:44
I agree johny89. I would go as far as to say I'd presume he would take a cut. Didn't he say a couple of years ago there is only 2 teams he would ever play for? Or was it 2 premiership teams?

Could of been paper trash or maybe it was round the time he was negotiating his contract. Come to think of it. I think it was after he signed it and said he was always going to sign a new contract with Utd. It was just tactics to get Utd to cough up.

Anyway my point is if he leaves Utd and stays in England chances are its with Everton. Can't really see him going anywhere else. Apart from abroad.

Ask any Utd supporter he isn't truely a Utd fan. Even though he's among their greatest players ever. He's a blue through and through. Even if he left. I don't hold it against him. Look at what he achieved. Last season he even attended an Everton match. He'll definitely return to the club in some capacity in the future.

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28 Oct 2016 13:38:48
Don't be so nieve. You think his wages are just for him? That wage he gets goes to a shed load of people that he also pays. How many people are going to kick 200 grand a week into touch.

His agent probably gets a percentage which no doubt he won't want to give up and Rooney would have to settle. Stop thinking things are so easy and black and white.

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28 Oct 2016 19:12:22
How many games has Rooney played so far? So do we or don't we think that he's match fit or not where as if he was playing every week he would be back to his old self.

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28 Oct 2016 21:10:07
He's played 12 games so far and has 1 goal.

More than anyone in our team.

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29 Oct 2016 01:22:51
Who said things were easy or black and white? Merely simply saying if he comes to Everton he won't get anything near £300,000 a week which he is on if I'm not mistaken. So obviously if he moves to Everton I think its pretty safe to presume he'll take a significant pay cut. Otherwise he won't be coming.

Why are people dreaming in thinking he'll still be on £15m a year? All these people you talk about that Rooney employ might just have to take a pay cut like him. Are they meant to presume that Rooney was always going to be on that kind of money?

Players move in mid contracts all the time. Can't see why this is any different. There will obviously have to be agreements all round.

If he is as bad as you say BlueJohnUns what's going to happen? For the next 2 and a half years he's going to play for Utd reserves and not even get on the first team panel? Picking up £300,000 a week? Don't think that's going to happen either.

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27 Oct 2016 09:14:16
After last night, I am quite glad I'm not going to West ham on Sunday. I hope our supporters behave and let the hammers fans be the hooligans they are and face their punishment. We don't want to he dragged down to their level.

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27 Oct 2016 11:11:57
Worrying thing is, it's nearly every game they are fighting. How long before the FA finally charge the club for failing to control fans. A points deduction and fine may be in order to make these hooligans think twice about destroying the reputation of their club.

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27 Oct 2016 13:58:10
So Basically West Ham get given a stadium to use for a pittance which was funded by the tax payers (us) . Then to show the world how much class they haven't got they behave in a way that takes football fans in this country back 30 years.

What a crass operation they have got going on there.

Slaven and Dimitri, run away now and don't look back. If you want your footballing credibility kept safe from this shower.

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27 Oct 2016 16:34:31
The fact that the stewarding is in house and there is no police presence in the stadium too is a joke. If it was a Northern side doing it then it would be all over the press, because it's one of the London based sides it's not getting any were near enough criticism and bad press they deserve.

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28 Oct 2016 23:51:21
West Ham have got away with it for years. I have no love for them at all. I don't know how many times fights have broken out after a match with them or the coach trashed when we get back to it.

They get nothing but love from the media because of bloody Bobby Moore and it all gets over looked.

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