Everton Banter Archive July 26 2012

 

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26 Jul 2012 22:55:24
Ed, what do you think chances are of getting
adam johnson on loan, transfer fee for tim cahill
and saved wages could possibly fund a season
loan. Also are wigan still interested in victor if moses goes to chelsea. Might be living in dreamland but
would be perfect summer if we replace victor
with a decent striker, get johnson on loan and
buy pienaar {Ed025's Note - johnson is on £90k a week...will we pay that?..no....vic to wigan has cooled...but i agree that would be great..

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I think Adam jonno is on 70k Ed, still too much for us though, would love this guy to come to us, come on Bill mak this happen.

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - i read 90k degs..but you may be right mate, still out of our range..

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He might be on 70 or 90 or whatever a week - but he's no use to city on those wages on the bench - and his career is going nowhere sitting on the bench - wouldn't he be happier on a bit less but being an important player in a team - or maybe he just wants bits of meddles he's hardly played for?

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I'm sure in the past some teams have agreed to share the wage bill to let players go on loan so reduced wage bill for parent club and more affordable wage for loan club we should try and push this idea for johnson.....grbefc {Ed025's Note - it happens a lot grb..

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Just not an everton sort of player. Poor at tracking back and doesn't seem to completely dominate a game and for me rarely takes fullbacks on and beats them.
He is however one of those technically able English midfielders but absolutely nothing special. Worth £90k a week - no where near.

Nick O

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I disagree with ye Nick, the guy has never had a decent run in a side to show what he is capable of

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - thats true..

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26 Jul 2012 22:48:41
If Johnny Heitinga does leave, I for one will be gutted. With Duffy the only other cover, this could see the emergence of Jack Rodwell as a centre half. Once touted as a future England international, perhaps that is what Moyes has planned? Also good luck Tim Cahill, legend!

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26 Jul 2012 22:43:18
Although Tim Cahill has been a superb player for Everton, I don't agree with 'retiring' shirts. Just as the current owners/board are custodians of the club, the players who wear a particular number are custodians of the number. For example, the Everton number 9 shirt is iconic having been proudly worn by Dean, Lawton, Latchford and other great centre forwards. Each new wearer of a number should wear it with pride and recognise in whose footsteps they are walking. Let the next wearer of Everton's number 17 shirt do so with pride and respect the legacy he is being honoured to continue.
Cowpat Sid {Ed025's Note - its hard to disagree with that sid..

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Agreed mate. But I do quite like the idea of us doin somethin to do with the corner flags next season..and his name should be echoed around Goodison one last time at the first game of the season.

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I agree!! if we never see timmy in a blue shirt again then i think we should give him the send off he deserves!& chanting his name about Goodison first game of the season is good enough for me! who's with me? people say hes not a legend but the man wore everton on his shirt! and if not a legend he truly has a legacy which should be recognized !

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26 Jul 2012 22:27:08
“I also want to thank everyone at Everton, from the club to tremendous supporters. It has been a privilege to be an Everton player for the past eight years and it was a very difficult decision to leave. I will always support Everton and I wish the club the best of luck in the future.”

Quoted from the legendary Tim Cahill. Still hasn't sunk in that he's left.

CP

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Top man.
Cowpat Sid

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26 Jul 2012 22:16:47
Hi ed
any news on the winnie parks deal? {Ed025's Note - there is no deal mate..

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26 Jul 2012 22:15:15
My first post on here guys. Comes on what I think is a sad day for our club. Tim Cahill has given the best part of a decade to us and I'm gutted to see him go. I feel he still had a part to play, switching with Felli towards end of last season saw the best out of both of them. he could have done that role this year without a doubt. I'm mainly sad because I know he felt the stick he got last year. You could tell. I wonder if he leaves with a bit of needle and not with his head held up high like it should be. I feel we were all a bit harsh when he wasn't getting the goals we had come to expect. Either way, he wont be getting anymore for us.And now I hope the team doesn't suffer without him both on and off the field and that we can try and bring on Rodwell & Barkley. As for Tim, It came a year too soon IMO. But a Goodison legend. Wish him the v best of luck in New York.

BlueJay {Ed025's Note - good post jay..

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I read somewhere else that he's wanted to move to the MLS for a couple of years. I imagine that David Moyes has waited until the time is right, i.e. now, before letting the transfer happen. We've had eight years from a gem of a player and we've a manager who's worked miracles by plucking such gems and polishing them into superb players. OK - so we've no money, but we're a proper football club. Once a blue always a blue.
Cowpat Sid

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26 Jul 2012 21:59:42
ed why is there loads of ads on the site?paddock toffee {Ed025's Note - its how the site earns money mate..

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Who does the money go to ed {Ed001's Note - it pays for servers etc. They only get money if people click on them, which is not often and they don't pay a lot.}

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Apologies if this is quibbling, Ed025, but are the ads on this site meant to earn money for profit or did you mean that the ads pay for the running of the site? Are you and the other eds unpaid volunteers? Just interested - that's all - nothing sinister :-)
Concerned Citizen {Ed001's Note - most are unpaid volunteers, Ed025 amongst them. If any money is made, that is what pays for me to spend all day chasing up people like Pienaar and his agent to find out what is happening. But the rest are volunteers, unfortunately the sites don't make enough to afford to pay everyone, I wish they did. Adverts just don't pay much these days, I have always wanted to make enough that we could afford to split revenue with the editors. After all it would give them more of an incentive to put more time and effort in.}

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26 Jul 2012 21:33:46
With both Arteta and Cahill now gone it feels like the end of an era.
Joe EFC {Ed025's Note - two of my favourites as well joe..

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And hopefully the start of a new one, gibbo, felli an barkley

ewefc

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26 Jul 2012 21:19:33
Some of the rumours that have been throw about recently....

Gouffran-Bordeaux
M'Bia-Marseille
Benalouane-Cesena
Phillips-Blackpool
Donovan-LA Galaxy
Castaignos-Inter
Cissokho-Lyon
Barrada-Getafe
Santa Cruz-Man City(?)
Oviedo-FC Copenhagen
Krasic-Juventus
Pitroipa-Stade Rennais

Just rumours I've heard, I'm not saying that they have any substance to them, just what I've heard.

Dave

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Same here mate all on news now im guessing moyes may have looked at a few of them but doesnt mean he'll go for them?

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That Barrada fella scored an absolute beauty against Honduras for Morocco today. Another player that caught the eye was Zakaria Labyad; a 19 year old RW. Unfortunately he's just signed for Sporting. Would've liked him at us.

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26 Jul 2012 21:14:38
William Ralph Cahill has signed for the New York Red Bulls tonight. I may have to commission a statue and have it situated outside the Old Enclosure stand.

Can you get your butler on it ED025?

Nostrawigus. {Ed025's Note - jeeves is busy at the moment...fumigating the hallway..because a guy in a liverpool top read the meter..

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What Jeeves allowed a jobs-worth Kopite into Ed025's towers. P45 for the butler, release the dogs I say!

Costra Nostrawigus {Ed025's Note - consider them released..

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26 Jul 2012 19:56:22
ed i was on the official site reading the tim cahill posts and spotted a great idea from a young lady named joanna who suggested we have number 17 on the corner flags this season what a great idea but i don't know if this would be aloud, just wondered what are your thoughts?........grbefc {Ed025's Note - we should do something to acknowledge the great man grb..

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This season let's all get Cahill on our shirts regardless

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Retire his shirt number I have said it on all the websites

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You have got to be kidding. This Cahill worshipping is going overboard now. {Ed025's Note - its not worshipping mate...its acknowledgement of loyalty, passion and commitment to the cause...whats wrong with that?..

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Why don't we rename Goodison Park, The Tim Cahill Stadium. Ridiculous.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - i think something bigger!..

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Nice reply Ed025. The thing is, I don't think you're joking though. Haha.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - i think we should drop everton...and call the team ..cahill fc

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How about we just change the team name to Tim Cahill FC and make every player who signs change there name to Tim Cahill

PTF {Ed025's Note - great idea!..

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As Tim Cahill is our greatest ever player (and greatest we will ever have), and biggest legend of all time. Along with The Tim Cahill Stadium, we should change the badge and crest from Prince Rupert's Tower to a picture of Tim Cahills face. Big enough ed025 ?

Moyes {Ed025's Note - not quite..but your getting there mate!..

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Paint a giant australian flag with his face in the middle on the turf and each player wears the number 17 from now on {Ed025's Note - yes!...and when one of our cahill,s score...the crowd could all hop around..like kangaroos..

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Why don't we just buy him back ? £10 million should do it. But would be willing to spend £15 million at a push.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - we need all our money...to build the shrine...

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Stick his name on cornerflags and whoever scores 1st home goal of the season,wel u all know wats cumin next,the ultimate tribute,true blue,efc 4 life {Ed025's Note - tremendous!..true blue..

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Replace the Dixie statue with a Timmy Cahill statue...leave the stand names though (incidentally my favourite stand name ever is the Colin Bell End at man city's ground) {Ed025's Note - that made me chuckle..

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How about in the united game we put a black and white photo of cahill on the big screens with a black border that says "Tim Cahill 2004-2012" and we'll hold a minute's silence. A fitting tribute and tears will flow Ed! {Ed025's Note - but the game would have to be called off...waterlogged..

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Retire his shirt why? He's not dead all the worshipping just goes to prove how badly our standards have slipped in the last 10 years. Cahill is a cult hero and no more. Mike

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Big mistake there Mike. You will see why soon enough.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - please enlighten me..

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I thought you weren't allowed to say a bad thing about Timmy, ed025. {Ed025's Note - everyone is entitled to their opinion mate.....except where sir timothy is concerned ;o)..

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26 Jul 2012 19:44:24
everton do have an option to buy michael owen if they want to but they are stil making a decision on it i would love to have him myself as he could back up jelavic and i would rather have him backing up jelavic than vellios because that would mean vellios could go on loan if we had owen to cover.also pienaar deal wll be done once yobo FINALLY goes to fenerbache wich should be soon.also after a season of warming the bench for benfica pacey winger nolito is looking for a move away from benfica ad portugese papers say everton are interested.

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Micheal Owen could not play as a lone striker, therefore not fitting in to DM system he will not be an everton player

Cornol Sanders

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26 Jul 2012 19:40:03
Trevor Steven, Peter Reid, Neville Southall, Colin Harvey are all Everton legends. Tim Cahill? Discuss

Nostrawigus

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How is he not a legend? Are you like the kopites who base everything Tom amount of trophies won? Just because Tim didn't win anything doesn't make him not a legend. To many young fans like my lad, Timmy is the closest thing to an Everton legend they've seen in their lifetimes, so stop trying to take that away from them.

MickTheBrick {Ed025's Note - got to agree with you mick..

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Tim may not have been blessed with the talent of the others on your list, but he is a genuine legend for me for his wiil to win and sheer infectious enthusiasm. He has lifted the team and the crowd on so many occassions. I have been watching Everton since the mid-sixties and remember other legends like Alex Young and Labone, but I rate Tim just as highly for his contribution.

Bluewal.

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I agree with you, they are proper legends. I don't think Cahill should be even mentioned in the same breath as them. Expect loads of people to start having a go at you now.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - you are very much in the minority mate, give your head a wobble fella..

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For what he's won or for game changing moments then not a legend
But... For his attitude on and off the pitch, what he's done and what he would do for the club, the change he makes to the dressing room and the part he plays to make new players feel accepted and how he makes up fans feel about him and the club..
I'd say TRUE LEGEND

J0hn80y {Ed025's Note - never a truer word said..

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Yes he is a legend for his passion and loyalty and he always talked wel about everton,never moaned wen benched and would leave his heart and soul on the field 4 us,true blue,efc 4 life

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I think ed025 wears Tim Cahill pyjamas, the way he goes on about him. Not everyone will agree on these things you know. Just because people have different opinions doesn't mean you have to have a go at them.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - im not having a go mate...just pointing you in the right direction ;o)

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Who's your all time favourite player then Moyes?? Dalglish???

Tree Blue {Ed025's Note - your dead right tree..

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I'm sick of all this "Tim Cahill is not a legend" BS. Now i'm not old enough to remember the greats, but no one can tell me he doesn't match them for loyalty and passion for the club. besides no one can say he wasn't a talented player, only 3 midfielder's scored more than him in the premier league since he's been at Everton. And about the trophy thing, Bob Latchford didn't win anything in a blue shirt either, is he not a legend? And the truth is Tim could of went off to a better team in his prime if he wanted to, but he didn't, he stuck with Everton, and even carried us most of the time!
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I think some people are struggling to understand the difference between a cult hero and a legend Cahill is a cult hero not a legend. mike

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Correct Mike.

Moyes

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First time poster but read this site long time TIM CAHILL will be missed

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People have their own opinions mike and RED Moyes!
If people think he is a legend it's their opinion... So give it a rest it's boring!!

Tree Blue

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Difference between a cult hero and a legend is the time that has past since the player graced the field. Simple as that. How can you define someone a cult hero that has been heralded from day 1 to the end of his 8th year at the club. In 10 years time, no one will argue that Tim is not a club legend. I also think the naysayers are too critical on his natural talent, just because his more physical attributes were more noticeable. In an era where Everton was not a powerhouse at the top of the league, his goal return (especially the rs) cannot be questioned.

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By the way Tree Blue, My favourite player was Arteta. I just don't rate Cahill as much as others.

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I bet you lot already have Jelavic down as an Everton legend it's laughable really as you would never hear Man Utd fans saying Carrick is a legend despite everything he's won, you see their standards are much higher than ours and that's why we will always be little old Everton. Mike {Ed025's Note - you are a person mike...are you a closet red?...you never have anything positive to say, you come across as a real saddo, so do us all a favour..and p*ss off!!

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Ed - no im not a red s***e i just want the best for Everton what's wrong with that? And i will start being positive about Everton when the club starts acting like the big club we all know they are. Mike

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26 Jul 2012 19:01:58
does anyone know about a refund from Everton TV for the canceled game in malasia?

Gods Doctor

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Supposed to get a £7.98 refund-contact club mate

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Tried that but not got an answer back yet!

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26 Jul 2012 18:57:24
im not slagging any 1 of on the board, but i dont think we need 100s of millions in terms of the team if we could get peanuts and donovan back permanent weve got 1 very very good team alongside what weve got, and if spurs could finish 4th so could we,there are some rich people onthat board if they used some of their own cash and we really did do well and got champions league theyd get their money back, and we might be a lot more attractive to investors,as i say im not whinging its just a thought.

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26 Jul 2012 18:16:07
Hi ed
Any news on the winnie parks deal? {Ed025's Note - no mate..just speculation i think..

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26 Jul 2012 17:57:35
Great news eds. Pienaar. That is all.

Source: Me {Ed051's Note - Ok

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That reminds me i saw a guy called "me" on fifa i thought he'd be worth signing for everton just so the fans could get him on their shirt

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26 Jul 2012 17:49:40
even though im not a fan of his. It was a nice touch for robbie savage to offer to play for rangers for free. do you think moyes may offer any of our youth/reserves, seeing as though we have taken there 2 best players?. {Ed025's Note - i mentioned this a while back mate..it would be a nice touch, if we loaned them a fringe player. or a youngster, who could gain some experience..

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I should hope the youth/reserve players of Everton would be a higher standard than Scot div 3. Would not do them any good {Ed025's Note - any competitive football, would do them no harm..

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26 Jul 2012 17:32:24
Not really a rumour but Omar Abdulrahman playing for the UAE looks quality and only 20 years old. Worth a shout i feel.

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You're basing his quality on 45 minutes of Football. He may be good, but please reserve your judgement until you've seen him play some more.

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26 Jul 2012 15:59:19
C'mon Eds ! You say there is a waiting list of people to be Eds but yet you can't seen to get the toffees page updated. I know you do this in your spare time but its like a drug to me! Especially in down season, and i need my fix! :) (please take this as its meant - tongue in cheek - NOT a criticism !) {Ed025's Note - im doing my best mate..damn work!!

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Yeah there only seems to be 1/3 eds at the moment, we've ed other site eds updating for us ed025

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26 Jul 2012 15:58:26
I am confident that Everton will handle the window with the club in mind, but what worries me is that Moyes specifically stated that he wanted to get his business done early this season and we still only have a free in Naismith, and secondly it is unusual for Moyes to talk of other clubs' players, but he said we were close to Pienaar last week. Taking into account Pienaar wants to come back, I find it worrying that he still isn't an Everton player after the length of the talks.

Also, wish these Baines rumours would be crushed by someone at the club to end all the media rubbish!

COYB

Chris91 {Ed025's Note - all good points chris..

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26 Jul 2012 15:29:26
Reported by the Daily Post today about JonnyH:-

"However David Moyes does not want to sell the 28-year-old, and is focussing on adding to his squad by making progress with his bid to sign Steven Pienaar on a permanent deal this week.

The Blues boss is not open to offers for any of his squad – Yobo aside – after agreeing to let Tim Cahill join New York Red Bulls for £1m on Monday."

I don't think we will lose any top players unless they hand in a transfer request and to be honest I can't see anyone doing that. I think the players know we have a great squad, (with a good mix of youth and experience) and have a good
chance of having a great season.

EFCwhitesocks IMIT IMWT COYB {Ed025's Note - good stuff whitey..

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Agree with everything whitey except for the name!!

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26 Jul 2012 14:32:57
If the Piennar transfer doesn't go through and he ends up somewhere like Sunderland, not only will this highlight the clubs absolutely incredible incapability to sign a player that actually WANTS to be a blue but it will make us a laughing stock of a league we once ruled.
I'm finding it very hard to be a blue right now.

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26 Jul 2012 14:23:44
As city won the league, do we get any extra add ons from lescott? {Ed025's Note - im not sure, maybe we fleeced them enough..

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26 Jul 2012 13:51:45
Apparently we are in for Paddy McCourt, from Celtic. Also
Has anyone read the comments put down by Carsley about Tim?? Sour grapes I think. It's in the "what the papers say" part of the EFC website.

QatariBlue {Ed025's Note - that was not very nice, hes gone down a bit in my estimation mate..

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Feeling is mutual tbh Ed, I used to think he was a great himself, but now I'm not so sure.

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I don't see what the problem is with what Carsley said. I agree with him, Cahill was good but not great. And the word legend is banded about too often. Dean, Ball, Southall are real legends, not Tim Cahill.

Moyes {Ed025's Note - in these times of greed, and chasing the buck, loyalty is a very rare commodity..tim stayed with us through the lean times, when he had offers from more successful teams...if that dont make him a legend...i dont know what does!..

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26 Jul 2012 13:15:15
This one made me chuckle. On the Sunderland site; when the possibility of signing Pienaar entered the media spotlight, this little beauty came about.

If he has any ambition then he will sign for sunderland over everton, they have no money, players leaving like cahill, and possibly baines and heitenga, theyre a relegation club in the making.

I had to laugh. It's a sad thing that Cahill is leaving but losing Heitinga for £5m when we bought him for £6m (player of the season last season would've added a bit to his price tag too) and now all the papers are reporting Man U have been set a £12m price for Baines? I don't see either of them going. Heitinga and Baines both love the club, they both play for the privilege of playing in the royal blue jersey and without doubt they're two very influential and commanding players on the pitch and great ambassadors for the club off it. If Pienaar comes back, great. If he doesn't not really the end of the world. Just start slowly easing Gueye into that role and boom. Still think he'll be on his way back to Goodison though.

Just my two cents.

MikeyBlueNose.

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It's because fans of clubs like sunderland cannot appreciate how much a player could like playing for a club like everton - sunderland are one of those clubs that journeymen players go to for a few years before they move on - it's just a money thing to them - so they think that if they bid a million or two more than everton for pienaar or offer him slightly higher wages he'll go there instead - pff - it's not happening geordie boys!

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Pienaar will go to the club that pays him the most money.

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No offence intended to Sunderland the city, but it has to be way down as destination of choice for a football player (with all their fancy pretensions). They will always find it difficult to attract and retain top-class players, especially foreign ones, simply because Sunderland is a backwater and a bit a ****hole.

Even Newcastle is nicer!

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"Pienaar will go to the club that pays him the most money." No, he'll just go to Everton

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26 Jul 2012 13:04:41
just like to share a few thoughts i've been reading the posts for the last few days to catch up and a few people seem to be asking why we can't scrape the money together for pienaar, who says we can't?, maybe the reason the deal has not been finalised is because DM won't be held to ransom for a 30 year old who's price seems to go up everyday or maybe its because spuds are on tour at the moment. people are saying we are skint we have no money, says who?,with the money for the sales of arteta, billy, tim (legend), and other fringe players, the release of their wages, ticket stub and new kit deal plus prize money for seventh and fa cup semi final i think there will be a modest budget available for DM to use as he sees fit, we will not know who he is interested in to avoid over inflated prices and others using his talents for their scouting. with regards to people saying we always sell our best players, yes we sold arteta lescott and rooney, because they wanted to leave! we only sell players if they ask to leave or if they are no longer in DM's plans NOT to appease the bank we have a mortgage agreement with them with fixed payments like everyone else with a mortgage.then there are people asking for transparency from the club, no other club or business releases statements on a daily or weekly basis saying everything is the same as it was last week, if anything happens they will tell us like they did with tim,(oh and how many of the journalists saw that one coming? goes to show they don't know everything).

so people pienaar will come or he wont
DM will have a plan b
DM dictates transfer policy not the bank
and no news is good news!

so come mon 20th lets support whoever is wearing the greatest shirt in football history lets make goodison park the loudest ground in the country lets scare the life out of the mancs and everyone else who comes after them and sing and shout our boys to a top four finish and if it doesn't always go according to plan let us not be down hearted lets us not loose faith for WE ARE EVERTON AND WE WILL PREVAIL........grbefc

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Post of the day
Jab efc {Ed025's Note - no argument from me jab..its a cracker!..

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26 Jul 2012 12:58:38
everton are supposedly chasing nigerian international joel obi.. he used to play for inter milan and now is a free agent..

cp

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No he's not free.

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26 Jul 2012 12:48:44
Gday all I went on the spurs site to see if anyone could give us any more info on the peanut situation, one of the eds said he expects it to happen as peanut wants the move but he had no idea when!

Just for a laugh too I seen a spurs fan had said "we should say to everton Pienaar for Jelavic lol and I thought rs fans were dillusional

SydneyBlue

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26 Jul 2012 12:48:02
I've decided there's no reason for us to worry about signings. Cahill going is very sad, but works for both parties. He wouldn't have left if Moyes didn't have plan in place, Cahill and his family love this club far too much to let us down like that. We have an extra 1mil for the Pienaar deal and a big chunk of the wage bill freed up. To me it looks like Moyes is beginning to build the team around Jelavic, Fellaini, Baines and Heitinga with Junior, Barkley, Pienaar, Naismith, and Vellios working their way in.

Steve EFC

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26 Jul 2012 12:32:30
I reckon Ricardo Vazquez te 22 league goals last season or matt Phillips 16,would be great singings.they both seem like moyses type of player .

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Ricardo vaz te? west ham striker

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26 Jul 2012 12:20:37
are owners are to selfish except kenwright earl has 1 billion pounds in his pocket i think and if he could give 15 million every season and kenwright 500 thousand pounds to wages and there is another rich person who could give 15 million to and we would have 30 million plus wages of 500 thousand pounds. this would be a good buisness and the board is to selfish if they would have the hearts of kenwright we would be challenging for the top 4 every season.


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26 Jul 2012 12:20:34
In my procrastination at work went on SSN and saw this article about Abdelaziz Barrada from Getafe. anyone know much about him - at £3.1m valuation might be a little out of our price range for this transfer unless is a back-up should pienaar not happen for whatever reason.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/7932639/Getafe-star-courts-Prem-clubs

MAC

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26 Jul 2012 12:11:22
as ed will know i barely post anymore now, but all this negativity is driving me crazy i mean e have world class players like Fellaini Baines and Heitinga a proven goalscoring partnership in Jelavic and Naismith and a brilliant keeper in Jan Mucha (had to put that in) so look on the bright side also the times are reporting last night we edged closer to singing Pienaar also we'll sign someone on loan...... do i expect someone to get sold? the answer is a big stinking no!


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I agree paddo, we won't sell anyone, especially not Mucha, we're building the team around him

ToffeeTony

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Yobo?

ewefc

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26 Jul 2012 11:53:30
done some looking round online about this winston parks rumour that keeps popping up, and for me personally it just will not ever happen, moyes now has jelavic and naismith, two proven strikers that can both actually finish, winston parks has never ever scored more than 8 goals in a season and hes spent the majority of his career in the likes of russia, azerbijan and places like that so to never hit double figures is a disgrace hes only got 6 international goals, but played a lot of games, hes on 10 grand plus wages and would cost about 300k/600k pennies yes but wasted pennies, hes just anichebe with sanka from cool runnings accent basically, all in all a waste of time, id rather give stracqualursi another year loan see if he can do better with a full season

scoober C

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26 Jul 2012 11:40:45
Gaston Ramirez signing for an undisclosed fee.

JG

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Should'nt this be on dodgy rumours ed or even rumours but not banter thats the ed inside me lol

addock toffee {Ed025's Note - i did not post it paddo..so your right..lol

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It's not paddo ed it's addo! {Ed025's Note - nice spot mate..

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26 Jul 2012 11:25:33
here we go again the baines rumours are back. im getting sick of this now

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26 Jul 2012 11:04:32
Everton have been given hope they could resurrect the deal to sign Inter Milan's striker Luc Castaignos after Dutch side FC Twente revealed they have not completed their move to sign him.

Source: talkSPORT

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26 Jul 2012 11:03:08
Everton have been given hope they could resurrect the deal to sign Inter Milan's striker Luc Castaignos, after Dutch side FC Twente revealed they have not completed their move to sign him.

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26 Jul 2012 10:36:13
claiming Everton are preparing to give Baines a new improved contract to fight off any interest with United.

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26 Jul 2012 07:01:34
I believe that the mid-80s European ban plus the 'Agent Johnson' era did what could be irreparable financial damage to our great club. We seem to be trapped - no one wants to invest the money needed (or the money, it seems, being asked for) because, without spending on the stadium and the squad now, we're not an attractive enough proposition to investors. Stating the obvious, but are we in an inescapable Catch-22 situation?
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Bang on Sid - the koppite ban ruined us - we'd have been the Manutd of the nineties and been in pole position for when the premier and champions league started - and set in stone ever since - because of the extra champions league revenues - Heysel changed it all (and a lot of people died as well)


However - I do think that Kenwright is not being entirely truthful about finding a good buyer - because..

he's sitting on a potential profit on his investment of about 120million - becasue he bought the club for 30m and it's now worth (he reckons) about 150m

so if he sold it he'd walk away with a 120m profit in his back pocket - and that would be money leaving the club

if he loves the club as much as he says - why doesn't he do a fans share issue - for say 60 million and sell all of those shares to individual fans - so maybe the limit on your purchase is 10,000 each?

that would need 6000 fans - or obviously more fans if you had smaller amounts
60,000 fans buying 1000 shares each etc

he could even put a 'restriction' on them then - saying that no one person could own more than 10,000 pounds worth - to stop them ending up back with a rich buyer again


he could value the club at say 120m - have a 60m fans new share issue - then the club would be worth 180m - and it would have 60m in the bank - ready to invest in players or pay off loans etc

he could offer to give the fan share owners a return on their investment as well - so better than they get at the building society - like say bank of england rate plus 5% - which is better than we're all getting at the bank and cheaper than everton would have to pay on any loan they took out - so we're both winners

then we'd have 20 or 30 mill on players - plus extra to cover wages for a few seasons and really give Moyes the chance of getting into champs league

why doesn't he sell some of his stake to fans if he really wants to sell to a good buyer - he'd even still be in charge with a 66% stake after selling a third share to the fans?

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How anybody can disagree with this post is beyond me. I can only imagine you are too young to understand the devastating effect these two 'incidents' had on the club. Can you imagine the outrage if Chelsea or Man Utd were deprived of 5 years of European football because of what happened at another match. We are currently enjoying the most stable period in our history since the ban (ask my long suffering wife) and although we are stuck without massive investment I can only pin my hopes on the fair play rules bringing some semblance of
normality back to the game.

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26 Jul 2012 06:34:26
I'm a scouser born and bred followed efc for 35yrs home and away, but unfortunately for me I now live down south cos of my job, I read this site every day and night as well as the official efc site just to try and gather any info I can, but what's annoying me lately is the minute someone comes on here and says something negative or tongue in cheek they are automatically called a kopite or rs, I thought evertonians were always able to laugh at themselves, I know I did when I used to watch brett angel up front, and some fans I think r just frustrated.

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Well said mate i agree totally

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U sound like a RS to me

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How can he be rs hes got a job?

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"How can he be rs hes got a job?" ha lol

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26 Jul 2012 05:03:38
Lot of talk of legends at the moment......so interesting to think what factor makes someone a legend.....some say Duncan Ferguson was.....on a goals per game indicator, he certainly was not. If you go on pure passion for the shirt and an eye for a goal, then Andy Gray would be among them, Tim Cahill and Andy King. If you make goals per game the indicator....then you could make a case for Latch, Royle, Sharp, Heath, Lineker, even Cottee. If you make the indicator someone who put their hand in the fire for Everton, you might think of Joe Parkinson, who, not a man of silky skills, played on with pain-killing injections when he clearly should not have to keep the blues out of the relegation mire....and had his career cut short as a result If class is the indicator, then Ball, Harvey, Young, Wilson, Southall, T. Steven and Dobson might be in there. If entertainment is the key, then McKenzie. But if it gets down to people who make a difference which wins trophies, then Reid, Kendall, Labone, Morrissey might get a nod as well as some of the above. So, what makes a legend?
Oscar {Ed025's Note - good question oscar...for me its loyalty..

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For a player to be a legend, i believe that he needs to have 3 of the 4 factors:
loyalty
Skill (goals and stuff)
Class
Trophies
Tim cahill had 3: loyalty, skill, class. Big Dunc had 3: loyalty skill trophies (1995). players like Dixie dean and Ratcliffe had all 4.
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For me it's performance and winning, too many times we use the word legend I would call Cahill and Ferguson cult heroes, although Ferguson won the 95 FA cup he only came off the bench and didn't do much after that. I love them both and i will say it was amazing to have watched them play but they can't be considered even close to half of the players in the OP. As for loyalty making you a legend, so hibbo and Ossie are legends, Big Vic has been with us about ten years man and boy does he fill the criteria?

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It's a thought-provoking question, Oscar. After a lot of thought, I only came up with this conclusion. We, as Evertonians, seem to have a sixth sense about lads who have played for us. Everything you say is true & relevant, but certain players seem to have that magical "legendary" status to us. It can be a mixture of all, or just one of the characteristics in your post. Whatever it is, we just know it instinctively -something fans of most other clubs can't fathom. And, yes - Tim is there in that exalted company. My very best wishes to him & his family for the future.

Toffee Tezza
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Loyalty and the utmost desire to give everything you have just run out on that Goodison pitch in the Royal Blue. And we have one or two of those at the club right now, Tony Hibbert to name one.

Steve EFC

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26 Jul 2012 03:19:00
Jus an observation ed in relation to the Peanuts deal, I distinctly remembering BK doing exactly the same as Spurs have done when Peanuts originally jumped ship, BK stated that an un-named 2nd club which was alleged at the time to be Chelsea had met our valuation of 3 mil.. I even remember Del boy Harry joking about it in an interview. So i think its all just games from Spurs to get themselves a better deal done quickly! I really think this deal is a no brainer, Moyes has never once publicly stated he wanted a player before this and if it doesn't happen then I think BK will have a revolt on his hands! So have faith people and relax this is how football works, everyone is out to get what they can from everyone else!!

Kurajan

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26 Jul 2012 02:12:43
When is it the right time to get the begging bowl out?
Come on over 2 weeks ago we were told Pienaar is a done deal. It's so embarrassing that we can't sign a player who only wants to sign for us!!
I can't stay positive when it comes to Everton, we are surrounded by incompetence and negativity. Think we should ask Balotelli for his T-Shirt, "WHY ALWAYS US?
The Blue Prophet

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Its all doom doom doom, get the Prozac out lad and start popping,

5 weeks to go of the transfer window and we rarely do business before the end so chill out people before some of you have a stroke

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Lol degsy, some people are getting themselves too stressed out

ToffeeTony

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26 Jul 2012 01:40:22
So... anyone heard anything on Drenthe? Seems like he disappeared from the face of the earth. Just shows that all players that leave Everton in such a manner get nowhere. *cough* Radzinski & Gosling.

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Forgot to sign this off: Dandan217

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Tbh Dan, I don't give a f***.

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He's a free agent mate

MickTheBrick

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I had forgotten about Dan 'Xavi' Gosling. Didn't he claim that he had to leave us because he needed to be playing central midfield in the premiership week in week out! Hasn't quite worked out that way has it. I'll add Franny Jeffers and Michael Ball on to the list of players who thought the grass was greener elsewhere!

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Id take him back, just offer him major wage cut...

cp

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26 Jul 2012 00:55:59
Hold on, so if a post is regarded as 'negative' it isn't worthy of the site? Ridiculous! Rumours of players departures have as much reason to be here than that of those arriving. It seems to me the original post has more legs than the majority of which I see on here! (most conjured by football manager obsessives who link us with a player because he has a score of 15.7 for shooting and scored for Yeovil in the champions league 2026... To call the above statement 'moronic' is naive... Ironic that echoing stories being reported in the paper brought on a RANT, yet the countless made up names of players from the Kenyan division 3 slip through your filter sir. A rumour is a rumour sure, bad or good. I for one think the idea of Heitinga and Baines leaving is a shocking reality.. Infact I'm quite sure one of them will... I completely comply with positive thinking but fed up of hearing "stop being so negative" when folk are merely stating concern that a player might leave...we're not condemning the club, just highlighting an opinion to which we are entitled.

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26 Jul 2012 00:12:07
So what is going on with peinar then is he going to be coming to us or not is we haven't got the money I would sell johny it said that fenabchcy how ever you spell itt want him in the sun {Ed025's Note - day do man....but der not gettin im...

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Haha love it ed!

MickTheBrick

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25 Jul 2012 23:26:57
Not a rumour just wanted to say for all evertonians do not panic and get ur heads up. Although I am gutted Cahill has gone moyes is not silly and he will have plans in motion no doubt! Same as heitinga if he goes moyes will have a plan behind it.
The team is better now than this time last year and look where we ended up so keep ur heads up! IMWT! {Ed025's Note - love it mate..

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25 Jul 2012 22:57:53
jonny h to inter castaignos possibly coming as part of the deal!! {Ed025's Note - hmmm....

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It seems that players transfer betwen clubs for one of two (sometimes both) reasons: more money and more success. We can't afford to pay for the better players (wages let alone transfer fees) so we haven't won a trophy for over fifteen years.
Concerned Citizen

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25 Jul 2012 22:31:33
What is Terry Antonis' situation at the moment? I remember a deal was done to sign him from Syndey FC when he was 14 but footballing regulations terminated the contract proposal because they banned oversea transfers for footballers under the age of 18.

.. Now that he is 18 is anybody aware of Everton re-sparking the interest in him? With Cahill on the verge of an exit I would say he is the perfect replacement. If anybody doesn't know about Terry Antonis he is an australian youth international who plays as an attacking midfielder.

I think he has some kind of personal ties with our Timmy aswell.

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Yeah ive heard about this kid.. supposed to be good, i cant see him being expensive.. worth a gamble..

cp

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He is really good - unfortunately last year in the A-League he got injured a lot and was in and out of side. he is from same neighbourhood as timmy and played in same junior league. Tim has played a mentoring role with him.

Really good talent and would be really good for us in 2013-2014 needs a good season under his belt and body isn't quite built yet for English Game.

MAC

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This was raised in January and i seem to remember it being said that he would stay in Australia for a few more years to develop and basically grow up a bit. Never know what will happen though, still seems a good young prospect but i would have thought it was time to move on and develop into a higher demanding league if you truly want to go on to football greatness

Mike aintree

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25 Jul 2012 22:16:25
What is all the fuss and hype about,ive supported Everton for 45 years,we are now just a middle of the road club that's fallen by the wayside and are now no better than stoke or Sunderland,clearly corrie bill won't sell and another transfer window will close with us maybe getting a couple of deadline day loans and probably lose a big name,just a case of deja vu {Ed025's Note - at your age...you should know better..we aspire to be more than middle of the road..get a grip man!!

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AND IF YE KNOW YOUR HISTORY

Everton 7th most successfull team ever

Sunderland 13th most successfull team ever

Stoke 32nd most successfull team ever

WE WILL NEVER BE JUST LIKE STOKE OR SUNDERLAND {Ed025's Note - we are 4th mate..

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We may aspire, Ed025, but take a reality-check pill :-) When, since the mid-80s, have we been genuine contenders for signing top players and winning trophies? Apart from the 95 FA Cup and a few seemingly fleeting moments playing in Europe, we've not been. But all that doesn't matter because once a blue always a blue.
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25 Jul 2012 22:10:33
I think we should give strac another loan, one of the hardest working players I have ever seen, he was getting better towards the end of the loan, but obviously wasn't in Moyes's plans..............

TC {Ed025's Note - not good enough tc..

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He's a free agent i'm led to believe

ToffeeTony

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25 Jul 2012 21:47:12
bill kenright doesnt deserve to have a manager like david moyes.

moyes is pulling up trees keeping everton where they are - and kenwright just sits on a potential profit of 130m on top of what he 'paid' (using loans) for the club - and none of him or his mates put a penny in - and they get the rewards for moyes efforts

they should be prepared to put in 10mil or so now to land us pienaar and a decent right winger - if not why dont they just eff off {Ed025's Note - because they are freeloaders..

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Be serious. If you'd worked hard establishing a business, would you throw your (comparatively small) money into the football trough for the agents, media, etc., to stick their greedy snouts in? And if you were a major new investor, why spend your money on a club that doesn't already have the basic building blocks in place - like a modern and commercially profitable stadium? Oh for a modern day Sir John Moores to help our great club with no wish for personal financial gain just a love of the club.
Cowpat Sid

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Come off it OP you clown

MickTheBrick

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25 Jul 2012 21:25:47
hey ed is there any truth in the rumour that everton are interested in south african midfielder Daylon Claasen who plays for Lierse in Belgium? {Ed025's Note - no mate..

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25 Jul 2012 21:24:41
hey ed is there any truth in the rumour that everton are interested in south african midfielder Daylon Claasen who plays for Lierse in Belgium? {Ed025's Note - no mate..

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25 Jul 2012 20:55:03
Yobos brother got mugged in woolton,,...do you think Joe bears a grudge,..and thinks right am gona get you scousers back,.....am go in no were,....gona string this out ,...will I ,...won't I,...bill will be tearing his hair out,...av got two years left on me contract,,...pay me of an I will go,....haver trust a Nigerian ........tristen

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25 Jul 2012 20:48:50
You may as well forget all these rumours of a whole load of random players associated with moves. If we can't get a player who wants to join us and we are desperate to get and whose club don't want then we are never going to get anybody else.

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25 Jul 2012 20:35:27
Chelsea have signed Oscar from brazil - but that's nothing - we're rumoured to be after Oscar from sesame street!

Rubbish he's not!

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25 Jul 2012 20:30:57
Owen has been doing some fitness training at finch farm he is going to be signed soon source let's just say my uncle works at same stable as some of Owens horses his word is good although nothing is signed yet due to the pienaar deal taking priority also takeover talks is ongoing at advance stages will be all done by Christmas though moyes being told to part with players who are not in his plans for next few years Cahill deal is one he started with over next 12 months following to leave

Neville coaching role
Howard end of season
Distin end of season
Osman will be sold next summer
Jonny h may go this summer or January

Moyes will then launch a side challenging for titles he wont be given any where near man city's level but will have around 30 m to spend in next market as a stadium will be the new owners biggest plan. Watch this space because it will come out the blue.

Blue forever

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LOAD OF TRIPE

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Owen part of this is true as I am in the racing game and have contacts with trainers so owen will be a blue boy {Ed025's Note - neigh...neigh...mate..

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This must be the Tripe that goes with the Evert Onions another poster wrote about.
WonHungLo {Ed025's Note - i like that..

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25 Jul 2012 20:28:33
I also forgot to mention that apparently Java cup organizers are threatening to take legal action if we don't pay them back for losses for not competing.
Great... More money to go from whatever transfer funds we have.

SydneyBlue

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I always read your posts in an Aussie accent... It's weird man!

QatariBlue

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Thats us f***ed {Ed025's Note - no mate...dont believe all you hear in the press..

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25 Jul 2012 20:23:54
Everyone needs to relax about the Johnny rumours, for starters i believe he isnt in the last year of his contract as he signed a 5 year deal in 2009. Also I got told by a Turkish mate who also supports fenebahce that there's something legally in place where they have to declare what players they are bidding for or selling. Is this correct Eds?

SydneyBlue {Ed025's Note - sorry.i dont know syd..

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