Everton Banter Archive February 26 2018

26 Feb 2018 17:33:22
Any chance of a poll eds? Who wants Allerdyce in charge next season?

{Ed025's Note - thats done oll

26 Feb 2018 17:48:50
Cheers ed. As a few posters have mentioned I think it's vital we start a new 'project' with a young up and coming manager and a new DOF. Otherwise next season will be a waste and we'll be starting from scratch in 2019/ 20 season.

26 Feb 2018 20:36:06
4 people have voted for him. Sam A, Sam L, Craig S and Steve W apparently.

26 Feb 2018 21:14:06
I've not voted yet, biding my time.

{Ed025's Note - i like it grumpy..

26 Feb 2018 21:32:51
You waiting till after the west ham game Grumpy 😂.

26 Feb 2018 23:08:59
🤣🤣🤣 very funny Smit.

27 Feb 2018 08:15:42
the 4 yes votes must be kopites having a laugh at our expense surely nobody can still want that man in charge of our great club.

27 Feb 2018 15:04:55
I know Mrs Allardyce does Bluey.

26 Feb 2018 11:49:14
reflecting over the summer and I now think we are in serious trouble of faling behind over the coming years, it may sound like a panic but the current squad of players it looks like need a complete overhaul, even if we got someone else in the summer he'd need time to change the team into his own and that would mean basically another season of trying to mould into something else with loads more signings and outgoings, and then what if that doesn't work repeat repeat? ill be anxiously looking at the summer thinking who on earth we can get in and would they be inevitably ready to take on their biggest challenge yet COYB.

26 Feb 2018 14:57:31
i know its a tad doom and gloom and we should be always thinking positive with a new man coming in but this is a high ask for anyone to bounce back with this team and just the whole top to bottom of the club is unnatractive to anyone coming in.

27 Feb 2018 08:10:30
Compared to the top 6 we have definitely gone backwards.

Pickford good but is he better than Man city, Man Utd, Chelsea keepers? Maybe better than Liverpools, and level with Tottenham and Arsenal

Back 4 we are not in same class - Seamus close but we've missed him all season, Keane disappointing fist season and Baines struggling with father time

Midfield Sigardson for his set plays but not open play? Rest average

Up front - now we've lost Lukaku who do we really have in the mould of Aguero, Jesus, Lukaku, Kane, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Morata etc.

To challenge for aplace in the top 6 we probably need at least 2 new defenders, 2-3 midfielders and a couple of forwards - and that's after all our recent spending.

So - in my opinion - another massive restructuring required this summer. Would I trust Big Sam/ Steve Walsh to be able to do it. I'm sorry but no. Sam said he would be judged on results and performances. He should get the results to keep us up but the performances are not what I want to see even this year, let alone next.

Walsh - if he is DOF then he's not doing his job - he has to go

I hope Moshiri/ Bill are already working on it and come the end of the season Sam / Walsh are gone and we move immediately onto a manager who can take us forward. I don't for a minute see it being done overnight but we need to see progress as we have gone backwards this season.

26 Feb 2018 10:53:08
What do you guys think we should do if the right manager is not available or does not want to join us in the summer?

26 Feb 2018 11:10:53
id like to think before we do get rid of big sam wed have a replacement lined up straight away, do not want to be stuck with no manager again like last time, in an ideal world youd think efc reps would be onto agents starting now looking into the possibility of taking the reigns come summer time.

26 Feb 2018 11:25:47
Lots and lots of this mate 🙏🙏🙏🙏😁.

26 Feb 2018 11:26:24
Call Guus Hiddink.

26 Feb 2018 11:28:42
PANIC!
Personally i would go all out for Rafa and if not, then Silva on a 3 year deal, but only if we cannot get any higher calibre manager.

Failing that Unsy on a 2 year deal, with the summer to work on the players.

I also don't see the point throwing a load of money at a new manager until we know who out of the current squad he can utilise. Maybe bring in 1 defender and LB and take it from there unless we can ship some out.
What do you think Grumpy?

26 Feb 2018 11:33:31
Tricky one that mate we have tried 3 all to no avail, I think Mr Moshiri will have someone up his sleeve he will have seen what's happening and will be prepared to do the business.

26 Feb 2018 12:39:36
💀💀💀💀👀🎲🎲🎲🎰🚑⚰️.

26 Feb 2018 12:50:47
Personally Smit mate I have a funny feeling we will go all out for the wrong person, What I mean by that is the new person will get swayed by what his weekly wage packet will be and the incentives to do well will be trivialised as he will be earning so much anyway. We need someone who will be excited by the job and will relish the challenge that the job will bring.

The new manager will have a very small window in which to identify what is wrong at the club and have the balls to go the board and tell them, he will then need to start putting his plan into action.

If a manager comes in that we know little about, or has an unproven record, then I fear he will be swimming against the tide as we the fans will expect results within the first 2 to 3 months at best. I don't think we will accept being in the bottom part of the league no matter how well we look playing.

On the other hand if we bring in a proven, well respected manager the question will be can he hit the ground running? If he does not then what do we do? I think we should go for the latter as that will go some way to appease the fans, but I do worry that a lot of the "bad" that is happening in the club (on and off the field) will still be there and could possibly hamper him at his job.

If no one can be found who is right for us then we should keep SA, He is not a stupid man, and as such he will be identifying what is wrong and it will be on his shift that the "bad" is got rid of.

Replacing the manager is not going to fix everything that is wrong at Everton, and I won't pretend to know what will, what I do know is that it runs a lot deeper than how it looks on the surface. SA is a convenient scape-goat, as was RK at the end of his tenure, and until that problem is addressed then the club will continue in this cycle. Newcastle Utd springs to mind when the turmoils becomes deep rooted.

Those are my thoughts and opinions Smit mate.

26 Feb 2018 13:20:43
Problem is the set up of DoF and coach is not working, no matter what coach we bring in he has to go to SW, this has to be where things are going wrong. SA is a manager so this system don’t suit him, you can see it in his interviews he don’t like not having full control.
I couldn’t even tell you who I want as next manager cause my first thought is let’s sort this DoF out, and identify a style of play and bring in coach and players to suit.

26 Feb 2018 13:33:03
But grumpy Sam is the first example on your list. He's here for the money and is proving that he's not what we want.

26 Feb 2018 13:54:23
The problem Grumpy, is Allardyce will never be given time because he is disliked by many of the fans and was before he joined. He has done nothing in the interviews since to change anyones mind.
Martinez got a lot longer to turn things around because of the type of person he was.
Koeman never really adhered himself to the everton supporters or players even after finishing 7th.

You would think the likes of Rafa, Howe, Dyche and Fonseca would have the supporters rooting for them, because of their personality.
Now, i am not saying we should employ any of the above but we need a manager who can become part of the club/ team and understands what we stand for and expect from a manager.
Look at Walsh, he gets no respect from supporters, because we never hear/ see him, we hear more from Moshiri, and that is why Walsh will not be given a lot of time either.

We are the peoples club with people running it who don't want to embrace 'the people'

26 Feb 2018 14:29:53
Both GT and Smit666 make some very valid points. It's confusing to say the least, but it's crucial for the future of the club that whatever happens in the summer is the right thing.

26 Feb 2018 14:47:10
BJU this is not an anti Sam or a pro Sam debate.

26 Feb 2018 14:54:18
I think you are right Smit, personally I would not mind Raffa or Fonseca but would steer clear of the other two.

In my opinion I don't think we are the peoples club anymore, we are primarily a business as are every other club in the premiership. The appointment of SA was a business one designed to keep us up in the prem, If we were the peoples club we would of stuck with DU.
(This is not a pro Sam or anti Sam comment just my views)

26 Feb 2018 15:01:27
BeStyme you may be right, The DoF for Everton is still relatively new to all of us and everyone at Everton. To be honest I don't really know what his role actually is, I always thought I knew but as you say we don't really get to hear much from ours. It would be interesting in how DoF's from different teams keep the public informed of things, if indeed they do.

26 Feb 2018 15:19:01
As a club and a business we need major surgery in order to progress.
Somebody has to be made accountable for the losses the club will make on players that only 12 months earlier were brought in as the future and to enable us to challenge.
SW is DoF and is the man responsible for the recruitment, which has not been good enough for the last 2 managers, one of which was sacked and the current will probably follow suit.
The manager needs replacing as he is neither liked nor competent enough to take the club forward.
My personal preference for the managers job is and always was Rafa Benitez, he has experience managing top players, egos and top clubs.
If we really are ambitious the next manager really needs to mirror that ambition and have full control over transfers, no more DoF.

26 Feb 2018 17:40:14
You make some really good points BlueGray, I don't think there is any getting away from a DoF as more teams in England seem to be appointing them. Perhaps the way forward would be to appoint a foreign DoF who has plenty of experience in that roll and knows what it's all about.

{Ed025's Note - instead of the numpty we got..

26 Feb 2018 19:00:46
I wasn't debating that Grumpy. I was just putting Sam in your examples. Therefore, we have to find a new man to take the helm.

It's a big world and we are an attractive proposition for an ambitious manager. We would have got our manager in Silva if we were allowed to. So managers will come to us and there is more availability in the summer. Midseason is not the time to go looking.

Bluegray that is absolutely spot on. I think also a DOF is good to have as long as that is what you are getting.

We didn't hire a DOF we hired a scout and put him in that position. We gave a guy £250m that had never done the job before. You give an experienced person in that field money like that. It's some gamble by the board to do that and personally don't think it's paid off.

26 Feb 2018 19:34:56
Ok BJU,

Back to the original question.
What should we do in your opinion if we can not get the right manager this summer?

{Ed025's Note - buy a can of petrol and a book of matches?.. :)

26 Feb 2018 20:10:57
A mate of mine was in court for lighting loads of fires, the Judge gave him 2 years and told him to stop arson around -)

26 Feb 2018 21:30:44
Personally I feel Sam will get a payoff knowing that the 2 sides that come up with Wolves may struggle and by Xmas will be looking for a firefighter, in steps Mr Allardyce for another payday.
I see what you mean with the DoF BJU, ours is inexperienced, yes he is a good scout but that doesn't make him a good DoF, if we are to continue with that setup we need an experienced DoF to work in tandem with an experienced manager, and that for me is Rafa. There is a problem in our dressing room as the players just don't look like they fight for each other, a Fonseca or Silva is not experienced enough to deal with the egos and under performers in our dressing room. We need a tactician and disciplinarian who will command respect by way of what he has achieved in the game. Time will tell what happens next, but one things for sure, this season needs a thorough autopsy and then when the problem is solved we can fire, hire and move forward.

26 Feb 2018 23:18:31
We already have the wrong manager therefore we need to go out and get the right one. To continue with the wrong one is insane.

"It's a big world and we are an attractive proposition for an ambitious manager. We would have got our manager in Silva if we were allowed to. So managers will come to us and there is more availability in the summer. Midseason is not the time to go looking. "

27 Feb 2018 08:55:47
BJU it's easy to say we need to go out and get the right one, but what if we can't find the right one in the summer what do we do?

27 Feb 2018 12:09:48
The right manager is out there grumpy. Why are you intent on sticking with the wrong one?

So is your question not giving us an option? You want us all to say stick with Sam?

There's almost 7bil people in the world Grumpy. Sam is not the best we can do.

27 Feb 2018 15:14:29
BJU why is everything you post about SA. The answer could of been to settle with another manager for a season or two but for some reason you decide to make it pro or anti SA.

It is so easy to keep saying get rid of him (SA) but have you for a second even considered the right manager just may not want to join us whilst the club is the way it is. Have you for a second thought that maybe we will need a temporary manager in to steady the boat? Please stop making everything pro/ anti SA.

27 Feb 2018 19:03:00
You are asking what happens if we can't find the right manager. YOU are making this about Sam as YOU are talking about HIS job!

You are asking about what if we can't find the right manager. I'm being POSITIVE by saying we CAN get the right manager.

Stop being so negative about Everton. This summer could be the change that moves us forward.

26 Feb 2018 06:12:27
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 26th February 2018