Everton Banter Archive August 26 2011

26 Aug 2011 23:17:36
What has happened to Jose Baxter? Last pre-season he was supposed to be what Barkley seems to be this year but not seen anything of him

26 Aug 2011 22:50:32
Sadly, if an offer of around 12-15mil came in for arteta, we would have to say yes, he is approaching 30, and that kind of money represents good value, and not to mention more importantly we get his 75K a week wage off the budget which would help us alot. I like to think about this way, would we rather lose a 30yr old Arteta, or stand a good chance of keeping Barkley when he is 20 or so? I know which one I would choose. {Ed025's Note - i dont want to lose mikel...he is quality

Mikel will come good again this season, he makes the team tick when he is playing well. I hope he starts tomorrow {Ed025's Note - he will..trust me..

26 Aug 2011 22:47:00
I expect the Everton boys to put in a much better effort than last week, and because of this, and the confidence and fitness gained from their midweek victory that they can pull out a hard fought 1-0 victory with Beckford to score {Ed025's Note - ill buy into that..

26 Aug 2011 22:10:36
Why can't we seem to sell our fringe players such as yobo, yak, anchiebe? Whereas man city are managing to offload SWP, Bellamy, Adebayor, boyata, santa cruz Even the RS got rid of aquallani, joanaviec, Greek central rubbish defender Why? {Ed025's Note - if you were a premiership manager...would you want any of our sh**e?..

Possibly wages for Yak, possibly gashness for Anichebe. Why we can't get a decent fee and why more people don't want Yobo though is a mystery to me. {Ed025's Note - i can give you three reasons...attitude..attitude..attitude..

26 Aug 2011 20:24:04
Anichebe is on a roll now 2 nil to Everton Anichebe again and Saha .....

I will go with 2-0 to everton, but asking victer to score 2 in 2 is a lot {Ed025's Note - personally..i would not give him the chance..

No chance fella, 0-0 or a 1-1 at best, we cant score, maybe in the league cup against a league one side but away to blackburn, no chance of a 2-0 {Ed025's Note - why not...blackburn are not all that!..

Agree draw at best we may not even score Ppl getting carried away with beating a lower league team {Ed025's Note - for me..blackburn are a lower league outfit...i believe we can win it!..

I think we are good enough to go their and get a victory tomorrow and then things will look a lot better for us. The two week break will give players chance to get fit as well. {Ed025's Note - they are professional footballers...they should be fit!..we pay the enough..

2 - 1 to us, COYBBBBB.

Moyes loves Vic - he starts. Need some hieght against Blackburn so starts for Felli and Rodders with Jags and disting at the back. Mikky, Osie and Barkley in front of Jack and Felli. final score 0-0 {Ed025's Note - 0-1 for me..

Blackburn will struggle this season were i can see us being in the top half. I think we will win tomorrow.

Sorry ed, i know blackburn are not all that but neither are QPR ??
Im not been a negative fan (well i am) but with vic, beckford and saha as our strike force for a whole season is not going to get us loads of goals is it ?
I can see us just being the exact same as last season, dominating games passing the ball sweetly but no cutting edge in the final third. Vic can hold the ball up, beckford has pace and saha will get injured in a couple of weeks.
The only way forward for me is to play two of them upfront then maybe we will see the a few goals {Ed025's Note - i agree wit all that my friend..nice post

26 Aug 2011 18:26:33
Nothing but a win will do tomorrow. Usually you'd take a point there at this stage of the season but we really need to make a statement and put this 'Everton are crap at the start of the campaign' stuff to bed.A clean sheet is imperative so a classic 1-0 would be just the tonic for the club right now. We'll see though. {Ed025's Note - i hope your right mate..

26 Aug 2011 17:49:27
I look at all the teams around us spending at the minute and to be honest, im kind of glad were in position were in.
I know that sounds mental, but when I think about all the teams bellow us that have spent money and added to there squads,i.e Villa, Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham, Wolves.. what are they aiming for?
I cant see any of them clubs finishing above us. There spending to push into the top half.
over the years we have seen so many players strongly linked and then join other clubs and im always gutted, to then see that they have gone on to do absolutley nothing, and i expect charles nzogbia to be no different.
I can guarantee that we will finish no lower then 7th. Our team is alot stronger then all them teams ive just listed.
then I think, who could we buy that would stroll into our team for less then 10 million?
Dont think there is many. Moyes may be a few things but he is not daft. he is very calculated and self assured about what he does.
say we brought Nzogbia, say we got a decent striker. where do you all honestly think we would finish? I dont think we would fininsh any higher then 6th. We can not compete with the big boys. and i think kenwright and moyes know this more then anyone.
I think all we are trying to do at the moment is hold on to our top boys and have a couple seasons like last couple and just weather the storm. ride out this crazy finacial time we are all in and at the end of it have a lot more of the debt paid off. and be in position were we can then look forward.
we have a few old boys in team like neville, distin, howard, cahill, but there all players i believe that in 2 years time we can easily replace.
this is no 'team kenwright post' (i think the bloke is a slug),
but what im saying is we have got reasons to be optimistic. We are a fantastic football club with (in my opinion) the best fans in the country by far.
so lets get behind the team instead of moaning all the time and get 3 points tomorow. COYB's {Ed025's Note - you know you started this post with....i know this sounds mental...well it does!..

I sort of agree. would you rather we went out and brought a load of s**te like sunderland have, or would you rather the youth players we have?

If you can't get genuine quality like fellaini etc then I would rather just invest in the youth players {Ed025's Note - but a new player would give the team a bit of a spark..and the supporters a lift,,

He underestitmated qpr. We dominated game. They create one chance and score. Arteta saha n fellaini werent fully fit. Do you really think he wanted to start barkley and rodwell on the wings?

26 Aug 2011 09:57:08
Seen that someone has posted that there are 4 potential buyers/investors for the club I dont really beleive a word of it but be fantastic if its true anyone heard anything?

All made up nonsense, the only people who our gonna be able to afford us our Billionaires.

far to much investment is needed, new stadium, players and pay off the debt?

Plus as everyone in the know knows BK is asking far to much money for our club.

If he was as big a fan as he says how come he dont just sell and get his money back just let it go for what it owes him?

He is greedy and does not wont to sell unless he sell BIG other wise hes using the excuse we need to have someone in charge who cares for the club etc.

26 Aug 2011 10:46:58
Im not a great lover of Bill Kenwright and to me the sums dont add up at all but i wish people would put some of the blame on the players. Players who come out and say dont worry about no new signings the same players who sign 5 year contracts and half way through sign new ones and get a pay rise for basically nothing at all. The same players who cant bw bothered sometimes but when a new manager comes in play out of their skin and then there is Yakubu just before he signed for us he couldnt be bothered for Middlesborough then he signed for us was banging the goals in now hes back to normal sitting on his fat arse collecting his 50,000. So next time these superstars say we need new players why dont they all give a bit of money back to the club rant over

When the chips are down everybody has to take some responsibility for the situation, including the players. As for BK and the board, the catalogue of mismanagement fxck up's have gone on for far too long. When BK and the EFC board had the Kings Dock in their hands and let it slip because they couldn't raise £30 mil, what now in footballing terms, was a poultry amount towards that project; was unforgiveable....and our board is 'apparently' full of millionaires. If EFC had taken up the offer to build on the kings dock (on the banks of the royal blue mersey), this would have changed the future of our club beyond measure. Investers would have queueing up and as a club we'd have never looked back. The kings dock catastrophy was a defining moment for the future of our club and the most shameful example of BK and his boards incompetence. Let's face it all of our current problems come down to a lack of investment and the fact the knowone will invest in Goodison but would the like's of Mansour have ever considered citeh over the blues if we'd have had the kings dock? Not in a million fxcking years. COYB (Wavertree Blue)

***Maiden***

Couldn't agree more mate...it literally makes me cry everytime I walk past the Liverpool Echo arena because the fourth most successful club in English footballing history playing their football at a brand new gorgeous stadium next to the water would have been an investors dream

Would have been a defining moment in our history and we would be where we belong - mixing it challenging for the title

Unforgivable that didn't materialise for the cost of one Wayne Rooney...we are Everton football club

Good shout Wav Blue

26 Aug 2011 09:07:34
We need to beat blackburn on saturday.
If we can sneak a win with a clean sheet and no injuries, I'll be chuffed

Obviously

26 Aug 2011 01:11:27
hello everton how would yous like Glasgow rangers and Glasgow Celtic to play in England am asking all me personnaly think it would be a great thing as the old firm need a fresh start {Ed025's Note - in my opinion, at this present time they are not good enough for the prem, their support is fantastic, but if they came it would spell the end of scottish football...so its a no from me..

The question is are they better then norwich, swainsea and qpr. Chuck them in the champ for a season and if they deserve to be in the prem then they get promoted via the league

Steve J (blue nose)

If welsh teams our allowed to play in the Prem than so should Scottish, but like previous poster already commented they should have to start in the lower leagues.

bottom league, conference even

25 Aug 2011 22:26:52
Why does Moyes ....

1. Continually play Rodwell on the right wing when he is useless there. The only thing playing him on the right wing achieves is giving the other teams left back an easy game? Rodwell is a good holding midfielder not a winger.

2. Continue to play Arteta in the centre, and even worse, make him sit deep while Fellaini moves in to more advanced positions? Arteta is still a great player, the manager is employing him in the wrong role. Moyes complains about having no wingers yet decides to play one of the Premierships most talented wingers in a holding role, whilst playing Rodwell there instead. Has he lost the plot?

3. Continue to play Cahill when he stifles our attacking threat to other teams. He never supports Beckford - Saha enough when we attack, through pushing further up, so Beckford ends up playing as a lone striker, which isn't how he should be played. Beckford is a talented player imo and if he was played with another striker would score alot more goals.

I hope I'm wrong but I worry that even with the breakthrough of Barkley, that we're still going to struggle to score that many goals because of Moyes's insistance on playing a lone striker, when we have no one who is suited to it.

If Moyes doesn't believe we have enough strength on the wings why isn't he playing 2 up front? If you aren't expecting great service in to the middle, from out wide, surely it makes more sense to have the extra striker upfront to help the team score more.

We struggled to score many goals last season due to our tactics, rather than players imo. Our defence is solid, we just don't score enough.

Most of our games we dominate posession, we just don't score as we leave our lone striker too isolated.

I think Moyes knows the vast majority of the fans want him to play 2 upfront but he's becoming a victim of his own success and his ego and stubborness are stopping him from correcting mistakes.

Here's the team I would pick (when available) ...

Howard

Coleman Jags Distin Baines

Fellaini

Arteta Barkley Geuye

Saha Beckford

Coleman likes to attack but I don't think he's creative enough to be an out and out winger but I think he'd be a great asset as an attacking full back as he has better distribution than Hibbert and would help us get more quality crosses in to the box, overlapping Arteta.

Fellaini is on of the best holding midfielders in the Premiership and has great technique as well as strenth and height.

Barkley normally plays in the centre and has great vision, passing and technique and enjoys shooting, so I'd play him in the centre and give him a free role to attack the other teams from deep. Playing in the middle he would be able to link up with Arteta more as well.

Geuye is relatively unproven but we've got nothing to lose from giving him a run in the first team. It seems like he has pace and an eye for goal. If he fails to make an impact we can move Barkley back on the left wing and play Osman in the middle.

Saha is a classy player and is good on the ball. He's also unselfish and I believe in partnership with Beckford they'd be a handfull for any team.

*whiteshadow*

I disagree with that notion, were is osman, one of our most creative players? and where is neville, our leader and captain, instead of playing gueye, I would play osman, instead of saha, I would play cahill, coleman could be a supersub, with arteta/osman either wing

You know I could of written that post myself, excellent I think exactly sames as you, Arteta has to play as a winger, we have to play 2 up top

I would like to see Osman play left though and Rodwell replace Distan at the back Everything else is perfect

To me if we wanna get the best out of this group of player Cahill has to be impact player of the bench, and we have to play Fellaini defensive mid and give Barkley, Arteta and Osman a more attcking roles Why is Moyes must play Rodwell centre he is not overated, this kid if used correctly can dominate a midfield, just wish he would play him CB so we can see what hes like there

As good as a job moyes has done some of hish tactical decisions frustrate the hell out of me, reminds me of some of the decisions Rafa used to do a the s**te, and he is just as Stubborn

@ the first reply.

I rate Osman as a creative force, when he's on top of his game, but he can go missing in some games. I'd use him in rotation with the attacking players I listed, when they're out of form so he can work his way in to the team if he performs well. As he's versatile he'd get quite a few chances.

I think you've highlighted a good point, and that is that we have more depth than Moyes would make us all believe. Personally, I think wether we played Geuye, Osman, Arteta or Barkley down that wing, that we have enough creative talent to cause any team problems. I think we could do with another proven winger in the squad but we have enough talent to do well we just aren't setting the team up so we have enough players in the box when we're attacking. It's not the lack of skill that is the problem.

Neville is good defensively and our leader but his distribution is lacking compared to Coleman, who is faster and is better at crossing and shooting. I believe in picking your best players in terms of ability first, then picking the best leader out of that 11, rather than always picking a player because he is captain. Would Jags do any worse a job as captain?

Cahill is a great finisher and pound for pound the best player in the air in the Premiership but other than his work rate, the rest of his game lets him down. He plays too deep for our formation and unless you have a great forward who can hold the ball up and lay it off for players like Cahill to shoot or great wingers who can cut it back to him, it's pointless.

To me, Saha is a far more 'naturally gifted' player who will score more goals and has better technique on the ball to help lay on chances for other players around him.

@ the second reply

It's nice to know someone else feels the same about Moyes selections - tactics. I really respect what he's done for our club but if we're ever going to improve we need to start playing as if we believe we can win, rather than setting ourselves up not to lose against weaker teams. Our players are good enough to beat most teams, if they're set up well and would give the top teams a run for their money, when we're playing well.

I wouldn't object to replacing Distin with Rodwell. I would have used this season to use Rodwell as an understudy to Distin as well as back up for Fellaini, Neville, Heittinga as a holding midfielder.

*whiteshadow*