Everton Banter Archive November 25 2013

 

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25 Nov 2013 20:42:16
I thought barkley was great in the derby game he is going to get better and better the pass through to lukaku was world class weighed to perfection and some of his touches were sublime any everton fan should be delighted with the kids were producing don't see many other clubs producing this talent for all there wealth where are the kids at Manchester United Chelsea man city well done to the club for the development structure that's in place next stop george green

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25 Nov 2013 21:57:32
good post mate, even though I didn't think barkley had a good game on saturday he is special as is a lot of our youth players, I have high hopes for a lot of them not counting barkley and stones who are the more obvious ones

john lundstram-this lad will be our future captain, a leader on the pitch and possesses an incredible range of passing, will tackle and has a great shot on him, if I could compare him to any player it would be gerrard (except the leader part)

george green-so creative, I don't know a lot but having read abit about him and seen whatever is available, he seems like a good passer with great vision and fantastic technique if I could compare him to anyone it would be wayne rooney

hallam hope-not what many would expect I imagine, fantastic shot and a born goalscorer with a mixture of everything a striker needs, this lad can be a 20+ goal a season striker if he reaches his full potential

others who can be just as good if not better but I don't know awful lot sorry but still have high hopes for all of them

matuaiz taudul (spelling)
chris long
ryan ledson
courtney duffus
matthew pennington
matthew kennedy
cisco junior

probably more I've left out but the future looks bright for us evertonians

Mike-Ox Long

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Ledson is apparently rated very very highly. Even younger than the rest, but a regular (maybe captain) for his England age-group.

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I can't believe you haven't mentioned Tyias Browning. He's class, watched him several times this season and he's so calm on the ball and not afraid to get forward either. Not only this but he is a proper 'body on the line' defender. The future is bright.

BitterBlue

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Maybe Conor Grant deserves a mention there too? I've not seen an awful lot but have heard and read some very positive reviews about him. Can anyone else share anything more about him?

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Hey Mike Ox-Long.it just shows how football is all about opinions. I thought the opposite of you re Barkley. I thought he had his best ever game for us. I thought he was truly outstanding. Held the ball up well. had a few decent attempts at goal. Didn't allow himself to be bullied in what was quite an intimidating game. Thought Barry was MOM though. Just shows eh mate?
Degsypulford

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25 Nov 2013 20:37:09
If we're going to off load a player then try get what we can for kone
At least with jelavic when he got his confidence back he a top class striker
But need to start playing him and leave him in the box were he belongs
Would much rather see back of kone
Any one agree {Ed025's Note - to be honest mate, we have not seen enough of kone in an everton shirt to make an informed judgement on him, but i have seen enough of jelavic to know his heart is not in it, im afraid the time has come to get shut of him..

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Maybe so
But when we first signed him some of his first touch strikes were outstanding
I put it down to confidence, so maybe your right an Everton isn't the team for him, but he still worth what we paid for him compared to what some teams are playing
One more thing do you think it's possible we will end up signing lukaku {Ed025's Note - i cant honestly see it mate, it would be a dream, but if chelsea were to sell him (which i doubt) it would be to the highest bidder, which i imagine would rule us out..

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I agree with OP and Ed.jelavic is a natural goalscorer but I think he isn't suited for our play.he is the type of striker who likes to be on the 6 yard line waiting for high or low crosses to come in.evertons work ethic doesn't suit him, were he has to work hard and link up play and be direct.kone had a few games and was fasting at time which will zap all energy he has.kone needs a chance but as much as I like jelavic, he has had his time {Ed025's Note - i think your right dentielad..

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I hate to say but jelavic got lucky the first six months mate, he's not good enough, all this confidence thing that poeple harp on about is just a football cliche, is about fitness, hunger, and ability and he lacks in all three, he dosnt contribute enough as a team player and despite being a professional for 10 years can't stay onside

MikeDeBlue

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25 Nov 2013 19:51:16
I think he may mean Alfred Finnbogason? And £7m for Jelly? We'd be very fortunate to get £2-3m tops, but West Ham did pay £15m for a donkey, so who knows they may give us our money back on a crab?

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Sorry, was intended to be as a reply to bretto?

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25 Nov 2013 18:46:09
Anyone else think it's atrocious that Baines is getting stick? It's not that he's not playing well or he's uninterested, Martinez's new style of play means a lot of the chances we try to create come through the centre of the park. Obviously this means that Baines sees less of the ball, and it does not mean that his mind is in Manchester! I can tell you for a fact his heart is with Everton. He may move on in January or the Summer but as long as he's wearing blue he will always give 100%.

BitterBlue

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I suppose this a preview of things to come. I agree RM is likely more prepared for this than DM could have been. All will be well.

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Sorry to point this out but didn't DM sign Baines for 5 million? So why have another go at the bloke about not preparing to do without him? Sort of defies the argument I think.
Degsypulford

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Isn't he saying, new blue in the u, that Baines had a much more prominent role under mr moyes, and was integral to our attacking plans? I mean, if teams stopped Baines they stopped Everton under moyes, that's no longer the case under señor Martinez, as we mix it up a bit more and aren't over reliant on Baines?
Granville

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I predicted it a few weeks ago. When all the anti Moyes lot were moaning, I suggested that Baines was likely to follow and asked would people get on his back too. I am dissapointed in how some of our fans talk about respect and loyalty, then behave like a divorced wife! I was slagged off as usual for daring to suggest such a thing.
also look at my reply below about how well is RM doing. That will get a few people throwing their toys out of the pram.
Degsypulford

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Who's throwing toys Degsyp? With the benefit of hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have got involved with that last post, but that was my reading of it. But what has that got to do with Martinez, Baines, Moyes and loyalty?

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I think RM appears more adaptable. And I'd like to see Baines stay like everyone. I will never bemoan him wanting CL experience and one of the best know teams in the world. LB is a class act and will always be appreciated whether at Mersyside or elsewhere. And thanks to DM for building the Everton foundation although his manner of leaving left some bitterness.

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25 Nov 2013 17:58:36
Seems baines is out for a month for se
Reason it does seem a big loss but if
Moyes was still here we would be saying we will struggle until he is back. For some reason I know Martinez will of planned for this and has another formation

Wasy

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25 Nov 2013 17:49:32
sell jelly for 7 to west ham and replace with fingorsbourgh for 5 mil and did anyone see barkley but his middle finger up to liverpool fans after their first goal what a legend

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25 Nov 2013 18:19:09
we will be lucky to get £7 and a packet of space raiders for him, if we get 7m (assuming that is what you meant) I would bite their hand off, don't know who the other player is you said, is that the correct spelling (not insulting your spelling but it looks like an awful name to both pronounce and spell, hope we don't get him, our shirts were bad enough mispelling deulofeu imagine it with him here)

Mike-Ox Long

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25 Nov 2013 01:51:22
Ed sorry to bother you again with another poll but just a small one please, with baines out for abit who do people want at left back until he gets back so the question is

Who do people want at left back in the absence of leighton baines?

Sylvain Distin
Gareth Barry
Bryan Oviedo
3 at the back

Cheers again ed if possible

Mike-Ox Long {Ed001's Note - done that for you.}

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25 Nov 2013 11:11:25
Thanks ed

Mike-Ox Long

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Why not Alcaraz? He can play there too, I believe, and he's just come back to full fitness.

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With Baines out it's a cert we get a penalty next game, who ought to take it?

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It's not a pressing matter, but I imagine any of Mirallas, Barkley, Pienaar, Lukaku & Barry are adequate penalty takers

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25 Nov 2013 22:09:10
i would expect barry if not either lukaku or mirallas

Mike-Ox Long

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Barry without a doubt

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24 Nov 2013 22:53:13
We are now a third of the way through the season just wondering what everyone thinks on Martinez there was a lot off people against him unsure and happy when he took over

Could you set up a poll ed?

Cheers
Wasy

{Ed033's Note - For the poll,
1. what is the question?
2. what are the options?

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Still way too early in RM's tenure to say. A good start full of promise, but let's see where we are at the end of the season - or, better still, after he's had three seasons (and corresponding transfer windows) to develop the squad (not only with transfers, but also by blooding our most talented youngsters). A trophy and/or European qualification would be nice, but one step at a time for RM's work-in-progress.
KevinM

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Personally quite pleased. We would have lost on Saturday with Moyes in charge especially when Baines went off, we'd have retreated into a shell, whereas Martines threw Delafeau on and went for it, and let's face it we could well have won by two or three, just need to start defending better.

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I agree, our defence, especially Jags needs to adapt to Martinez way, or we still will be shipping goals. {Ed025's Note - 3 clean sheets before saturday suggests otherwise, yes we still have work to do defensively, but its not as bad as you seem to suggest mate..

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Impressive as a man and a manager. He has that knack of saying the right thing, I could listen to him for hours talking about football and tactics
I think he has made significant progress in a short space of time. Some big decisions to come but i'd back his judgement over Moyes on what i've seen so far.

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Sorry boys. and I know this will annoy a lot of you but here is my view: RM talks a great game and comes over as a real pro. His support of his players is brilliant. As far as football goes, his team this season consists of 8 players in most games who were signed by Moyes. RM has brought in 2 brilliant loan signings and another lad for 13 million. It worries me that we rely on the main loanee in Lukaku so much when in reality we have little chance of making him a permanent signing. Barry may sign for us, but time will tell. If you all look at the stats from last season, we were playing brilliant possession football and often had 60% possession and loads of shots without scoring too many. We drew too many games last season. Look again this season and we are drawing too many again. Same as last season. Whilst I believe we are trying to play out from the back, I don't believe our forward play has been any better except for the difference Lukaku has made. Barkley has looked great at times and poor at others. He was here before RM and was being blooded by Moyes last season. So overall, I would say that besides a great loan signing as per Lukaku, it is pretty much the same as last season. I think you are all being very harsh on Moyes as 8 of the players each week were his signings and like I say, the one that makes the big difference is Lukaku. and he is not really ours! Oh. we do have Kone instead of Victor. that should make it all ok.when he eventually returns to fitness. if he is not too old. Joking aside (which I was then) I think RM has done pretty good but please let's show a bit more respect to the guy who laid the foundation. He may have been a bit disrespectful to us, but we are bigger than that and should rise above it.
Degsypulford

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Most of us don't care about moyes its you who keeps mentioning him nearly every other post.

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Are you kidding me? Look at other posts. There is loads of anti Moyes posts all the time. I am not saying "dont get behind RM". I am saying "lets move on and be glad for what Moyes did. not slag him. RM is so far doing a grand job too. Tell you what. If all the anti-Moyes brigade stop, so will I.
Degsypulford

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25 Nov 2013 22:06:51
barkey should of been in the team last season but was rotting on the bench and in the reserves telling stubbs to tell moyes he had a good game just so moyes would consider calling him up, barkley made one mistake he was out the squad for 6 weeks, he started against arsenal and did well but next week he is in the reserves again, moyes was a 'bit' disrespectful? offers us pocket change for fellaini and baines, never allowed us to get any compensation by leaving, planned with whiskey nose for at least a year to go to united, says baines and fellaini were too good for everton, made himself a hypocrite when he said everton don't sell cheap then tried to buy two players cheap, bottled out of every big game for 11 years but despite all that yeah he has only been a bit disrespectful and we have been harsh despite him not being mention regularly for a while now and you're the one bringing it up

Mike-Ox Long

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Degsy I have to agree with the guy who replied to your post. I know you still love moyes but most Evertonians dont.
You will have to give Robbie a chance to build his own team which I am sure he will.Robbie is class. moyes is not

stewillow

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Not only was barkley rotting we had no cm at the time he kept trying to loan him out, I guess what degsy is saying is until RM has sold eveyone off the team he inherrited you can't say he's done well, makes sense, I mean 11 new players in one summer good thinking, I agree the start of last season we were playing good stuff but despite it being clear we needed a main striker and a CM in jan he had his eye on an another job

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Hey stewillow, read my post again. I am fully behind RM. Am really pleased with his progress. Also I thank DM for turning us around. Laying the foundations for RM. My only negative is when guys keep saying things about DM in a derogatory fashion. let's all move on now eh? Come on RM take us up that league!
Degsypulford

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Because he's acted like a div, walk away with pride, don't act like spoilt kid now you have a bigger budget, no one debates he done a good job it goes without saying, add to that he gave us a nice 27 mil so i'm made up for him

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Love the last post.
Degsypulford

and ps. I don't love Moyes. I do love RM. I just say let's stop slagging the Utd manager. we are above this.

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24 Nov 2013 23:15:46
Does anyone else have a sneaky feeling that lukaku will want to stay

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No. There is absolutely zero chance that we will sign him and him wanting to stay is barely any higher. We need to stop deluding ourselves and hope that RM can identify a suitable replacement even if that means no signings in January in order to add the money to our summer funds to do it.

Pod

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I'm hoping so, but we will have to cough up £23 million from some where 1st. {Ed025's Note - i think it may take a lot more than that mate..

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I sure as heck hope so. If BK can do right by salary and send some Felli-Baines money in January, Lukaku could be a fixture for the rest of the decade. Yes teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, and Manchester twins can spend a great deal, but hey. one bad 1/2 season and you get to enjoy the game from a padded seat or clean up in some unimportant Cup matches. Lukaku. you could be an Immortal,

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25 Nov 2013 01:46:25
I think he will but it won't matter in the end, chels£a will not sell and even if they would we are talking huge sums of money

Mike-Ox Long

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No. We're just a stepping stone towards him becoming Chelsea's first choice centre forward - their new Didier Drogba - in their team that regularly competes for trophies home and abroad. That's the reality, isn't it?
KevinM

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His after match interview seemed positive.he said its great at everton, so I hope that if we can put a bid together he would stay.may be wrong tho. {Ed025's Note - i think you are DL, i would love him to stay, but in all honesty its a pipe dream mate..

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I don't think its a pipe dream, as vilas boas signed him mourino ego. may get rid to prove he knows more, I also bet he will buy in jan. leaving him down the pecking order

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A lot is going to depend on whether Chelsea depart with Torres and sign someone else, Falcao, like to think he would stay, but would cost a lot of money, if he wants to, we would need to break the bank for him. Let's hope we can keep defaloeu.
Bluenose. {Ed025's Note - we have another year option on del-boy. thats if the clubs and player agree..

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The thing is even after this season is finished it's not certain he will be first choice striker especially if they go out and buy again It may well be lukaku would like to stay but we will need to smash our record to get him in saying that we must be due to break fellaini record buy

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More than £23 million? Give over. Am I the only one that can see why Chelsea loaned him out. I mean understand that people think, he scores, therefore he should be playing for Chelsea, but he has played shocking in some of our games thing season, but deemed to of been fantastic purely on the basis that he scored, he's not the complete forward. Yet. {Ed025's Note - he is not far from it mate for me!..

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It proves mourinho as a problem with other peoples signings by droping mata in my view the most consistent player in the prem the last 2 yrs he wants to take creadet for everything

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I remember simular negative thoughts about fergusan who thought either would play for us

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Anyone who sells sturidge lends out moses lukaku dosent play matu is strange beyond comparision but still will remain above his rivalls can't compriend it {Ed002's Note - Sturridge wanted to leave and an acceptable offer was made; Moses has been replaced but there was no time to sell him; Lukaku was loaned out to het experience; Mata is a valued squad member.}

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He is very strange (Mourinho), but also very arrogant and thinks he's better than he actually is. Without money he'd be an Owen Coyle, and he plays anti football. An horrendous individual. Special one my arse! {Ed002's Note - And you draw this conclusion because he sent one player out on loan who the club had already replaced, and another who needed to gain experience? Without money he won the Champions League. I guess you know nothing at all.}

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Mourinho is a laughable character, he's almost become a caricature. I'd say this was the general consensus amongst most fans. It's only the plastic chelski fans who hero worship him like he's the second coming. They beat the mighty Monaco in the CL final in a very poor CL campaign, wow.
His Inter team had less than 15% possession against Barca in one of the semi final ties, Celtic and Rangers are branded anti football for this, why not the 'special one'. The bloke's a whining little toad, loathe to give credit to anyone apart from sucking up to SAF because we ALL know he wanted the Utd job.

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Ed you won't have abad word about mourinho, if he was everton manager I would be furious selling sturidge lending lukaku not playing mata you seem to have special specs for him. {Ed002's Note - Sturridge had long gone by the time Mourinho arrived. Lukaku needed some experience which Chelsea agreed and it suits Everton, Chelsea and the player. I don't think it is me who is struggling with this.}

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Good answer sir

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If you believe my last comment ill tell you the one about the three bears is actions will cost him the league

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Trust me when I say mourinho is absolutely gutted he loaned him out, he thought he had enough without him and he was wrong. As for the person saying he's not the complete foward he has as many league goals as are top goal scorer could do last season already, he's class, he works hard and as all strikers are judged he can score, which chelsea striker would you swop him with

MikedeBlue

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On the mourihno thing I agree he seems to have come back this time with an even bigger ego, he benches the player of the year for the last two seasons and publically critisces him, almost showing he's in charge and the fans should look at him as the main man.

dosnt have the same carisma that he had when he left all a bit too much

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