Everton Banter Archive July 25 2014

25 Jul 2014 22:13:58
Who do people want as our starting wingers next season? I know they will all get game time with europe and that, but as our main starting pair who do people want? For me kev is a certainty but who does he play with? I was one of the main people on here begging not to sign mcgeady and how wrong I've been, he looked very good last season, he's like a bullet, has bags if tricks and his end product, imo, has been very good also, pienaar, I've kind of lost interest in him, he was never fast but he just seems to be getting slower and slower every game, he can't beat a man and for me is a shadow of the player we originally had, but then you have his good link up with baines, which gets the best out of both players, if mcgeady is to play, is he better on the left or the right? He seems very good on either foot but is it better to have him link up with baines or seamus, its a headache whereas with pienaar its easy, him on the left and kev on the right, thankfully, its not my choice but who do you think should be our starting wingers?

A three of Barkley, Mcgeady and Kev will be awesome all 3 are 2 footed especially the first two, all fast and can beat a man and all have an excellent final ball. For me Piennar just isn't on there level on any more although he's an excellent option off the bench and his link up with baines is second to none.

Swan I was on the same page but as the season was getting on he started to look sharp and tricky, his end product will always be questioned but he has bags of confidence and Isn't afraid to take on poeple, I still think pienaar has something to offer but I doubt he's a starter these days but that leaves the left midfield up to debate with prob mcgeady there and Kevin on the right

I agree kev is a cert. and should be imo. I am less convinced about mcgeady. he is very quick over short distances and has quick feet. I just feel he tries the same trick over & over again. tuesday night was the same. I remember the villa game. he beat bertrand early hit the bar then bertrand got the better of him. I hope he proves me wrong but i'd say he is an impact player a la fulham. I think pienaar is finished and will only play on thursday nights. I was expected a proven winger to be bought if i'm honest/dared to dream

I think we should start with mcgeady on the right as he would have the irish connection with coleman and have kev on the left with bainsey as I might be wrong but didn't kev say his best position is either left wing or behind the striker as I say correct me if am wrong. What do you think swan mate?

McGeady left Mirallas right. It's an easy choice for me. However I do think we need another winger, preferably in the mould of Deulofeu (hopefully not as greedy) because then you could say we have 4 quality first team wingers, with the likes of Kennedy and maybe Henen (if we sign him) waiting in the wings (no pun intended!)

26 Jul 2014 01:36:15
I think kev is better on the left, he seems more confident, he ripped andre wisdom apart there, on the right he seems to know that if he can't beat his man for pace then he can't get past him at all but on the left he can cut in, preki I agree he tries the same skill, rolls his foot over the ball, does a stepover then bursts forward but it works mate, he's faster than probably every full back in the league probably so it would work and against villa, he wasnt fit so he didn't have that burst of acceleration he now has, it was his first game in a few months, if you put him up against bertrand now he is near full fitness then I have no doubt he would beat him, I think kennedy will be given some game time too

Cleverley and Milner

I can see different formations as well as players. Eg playing with 1 out and out winger and the likes of Pienaar on the other side. Pienaar was not as effective last season and of course was injured, but don't write him off yet. He needs a good run and is still young enough to recover his form. When Kev is on fire he is unstoppable. Problem is, he has one good game, then a bad game. I am sure the staff will be working on making him more consistent. McGeady has the ability to be a great player. Ghosts past players with ease. Then his delivery is often poor. I suspect all three will be rotated until one or more show signs of consistency. Kev gets goals. which gives him the head start.

Would anyone play Pienaar in the middle?

his pace won't matter as much there

(we had Barry there last season and Pienaar has to be quicker)

He still has his strength and can use his vision, dribbling and passing skills, maybe even the odd pen if brought down in the box

26 Jul 2014 17:55:31
Interesting that botn but I have to question whether pienaar has any strengh, he seems to get pushed around quite easily, playing him in the middle is a big risk as he loves going to the floor and staying there until he realises he isn't going to get a free kick and by this point we are a man short and are being countered, he played there for south africa but I think he's too weak and slow to play there, he is clever which could make him a good number 10 but then you lose pace on the counter, we will just have to wait and see, he was played behind the striker against tranmere right?

25 Jul 2014 20:29:50
Just been browsing the echo on line and they've got a very good article and photo gallery on Tim Cahill' s Everton career, albeit a day or so old now.
Me and my lad were lucky enough to meet Tim a few times and he was always an absolute gent, always had the time of day for the fans and seemed to genuinely appreciate how fortunate he was to wear the famous blue jersey that many of us can only dream of.
I'm not 100% certain he'd fit in with our new style of play but do really miss his up and at them, never say die attitude and the fact he seemed to hate the rs as much as every true blue and just loved scoring against them.
An absolute steal at the price we paid and an honourary scouser if ever there was one.

{Ed025's Note - i agree azul, lovely guy..

26 Jul 2014 01:46:39
A wonderful servent, the only things that are glad to see the back of him are corner flags, he may not go down as one of our most technically gifted players of all time but he loved playing for the shirt and always gave his all, a legend all the same

Thanks for the kind words guys! haha

{Ed025's Note - good stuff syd..

His timing for meeting a cross was/is second to none. People talk about his jumping ability (which was awesome) but he also had the knack of losing a defender and meeting the ball at exactly the right time to hit it first touch. With either his head or his feet.

25 Jul 2014 15:54:06
Not really Everton related, but apparently Inter Milan are close to signing Gary Medel from Cardiff for €7.5 million (roughly £6 million). That's a bargain for a player as good as him. Really wish we were the team signing him.

{Ed025's Note - im a big fan as well NSNO..

We have a lot of midfielders don't think we need medel even though I'm a fan

{Ed025's Note - your probably right quinny..

25 Jul 2014 17:41:26
Think it would be more than that ssn were quoting £10m

25 Jul 2014 13:24:35
Guaye signed for milwall.ssn says during his time here he played 39times for us and scored 3 goals.did he really play that many games for us.I didn't think he did

25 Jul 2014 12:30:21
New away shirt pure class, black with round collar, white logo and badge, two thin white lines on the outside edge of the body. I think even I would look good in it.

25 Jul 2014 14:43:39
Black is a slimming colour:)

25 Jul 2014 10:27:37
I have been watching this Besic, very interesting acquisition from what I have seen. He plays as an old school sweeper, Lothar Mattiaus type player. He reads the game very well and seems very strong in the tackle (never seems to dive in) for his size. He then basically gets the ball deep and either tries to spray a 50 yard monster pass or and more interestingly he tries to run the ball out of defence from very deep to about the half way line taking on several players.
He is not a conventional midfielder in any sense, and certainly seemed to be part of a back 4 or 5 of his club team. His distribution looks a bit iffy but he is quite unique in this day and age in terms of the role he was playing, ultimately its a role that if done well is a complete game changer and if done badly can result in disaster.

I think he looks the type to give away a lot of free kicks in and around our final 3rd. Hopefully the coaching team can sort that out. Still excited about him though, only 21 and has plenty of potential. He's been brought in for cover for Mcarthey for now. Gibson isn't mobile or fit enough to do the Mcarthey role he doesn't have the engine, this lad does. So it's gibson for barry besic for mcarthey . In my eyes anyway.

Pb2 - read my op post back and think I came off too positive, in all honesty from what I saw he looks like he could be something special turning defence in to attack but at premier league level I fear he may get caught out a lot.
I get the McCarthy replacement thing but would be more excited to try at Least to utilise him as a sweeper and see what happens if he can take out the attack and midfield of the opposition and leave Mirallas, Barkely and who ever we have upfront playing 3 on 4 or 4 on 3 which is where we struggled last season. If you watch him he is obviously told to take the ball from their box and run past the wall of the bank of 4 in midfield opening up play. If he does it at us successfully those draws will be wins if he fails it will be defeats, I think RM is a gambler and I like it

25 Jul 2014 08:50:38
All this falling out, & "handbags "over who posted what.I have been called crackers (not Jacobs) had my posts rubbished, but I'm not "out the pram"
Why? I view myself as a Claudius (I Claudius)
He was a bumbling old fool, who spent his latter years in Rome (not Fleetwood).He to was thought to be crackers/crazy, had his scripts (modern day posts) he wrote about people & things he liked & disliked, & had is writings rubbished.(ring a bell)
Can't remember what happened to him,
ho yes! I do, he became Emperor.
not such a fool after all.
So next time you get your post rubbished, instead of "spitting the dummy"just reply. I Claudius.

25 Jul 2014 00:02:41
Is the hitch in the Besic deal over fees to be payed to agents ed?

{Ed025's Note - thats part of it mac, everybody wants a slice of the cake mate..

4 - 5 mil deal these agents are shocking can see the slice being that much, I'm made up we have made a signing but I can't see besic being anything other than a squad player

24 Jul 2014 23:48:34
Been watching some obscure tournament in argentina called the copa libertadores and a couple of players who have caught my eye are hector villalba (19 year old pacey skillful right winger) plays for san lorenzo and the centre forward from the same team angel correa (a raw mixture of tevez and aguero playing style strong but small, pacey and skillful again only 19) 2 players I think we most likely will never sign, but testament that there are gems all over the globe who could become great players, but at the fraction of the price certain premier league clubs would pay for a lallana, a nani, or a tevez. I then later heard there were 4 of their players on the move this summer during argentinian close season. San lorenzo were champions and are losing their players, the one stand out move was correa leaving for athletico madrid. Got me thinking I really should go into talent spotting for efc and see if they'll give me a job

The problem you have with young players from South America is work permits, although with there Spanish and Portuguese backgrounds the other European leagues seem to find a way around that

A few teams from Europe have been looking at Correa. But as stated, work permits would be a problem.