Everton Banter Archive January 25 2016

25 Jan 2016 20:39:30
Right guys moving on from Sundays disaster to potentially the next one. My team for city game:
Robles (has to be) , Coleman, Jags, Mori and Baines. Barry and Stones holding mid. Delboy, Cleverly, Lennon centre mid. Rom up top. Not a pretty team I know, but we need grafters for this one and people who can attack at pace on the odd occasion we attack. Also think Stones might prove useful in mid, where if he does cock up someone's behind him.
Feel free to rip to bits, I have broad shoulders.

25 Jan 2016 21:23:27
Wouldn't be my team Woburn but I bet if ten of us pick a team Martinez will select a different one.
My view on the game with City's defence we will get a few chances. We can't afford to be wasteful.

26 Jan 2016 10:41:15
Wouldn't be my team but only minor differences i'd start

robles
coleman jags mori baines
barry cleverly
lennon peanuts oviado
lukaku

then bring on delboy and kone in the 2nd half change to a 442 if we need to chase the game.

25 Jan 2016 21:50:35
is 5 back worth ago.

25 Jan 2016 21:57:29
If only we had someone who'd put in a shift and run his heart out and nick a goal from time to time. He'd be useful for Wednesday.

Heard Norwich have some Scottish forward, Steven something or other. Reckon we could sign him for £15m.

25 Jan 2016 22:27:36
Stones not for me in DM.if any of the centre halves it would be jags, who played there for sheff utd.Gibson would do for me next to Barry.

25 Jan 2016 17:35:20
On Stones

Sell him. £60million

There are several phenomena playing out in the Premier League right now, Everton are demonstrating these more than any team.

1. Ball playing centre halves. A sure way to fool any team into paying over the odds for a decent defender. We should sell Stones for £60million. Teams do not rely on their 'Rolls Royce' at the back for success, they bag you a few emphatic goals, are easy on the eye and on occasion give away a easy penalties.
Funes Mori and Jagielka are perfectly acceptable and a small part of the Stones cash could reinforce the back line. Its rather like the old adage, 'what do you buy someone who has everything? ' The only thing that would excite Barcelona fans defensively speaking is to buy a maverick centre half a la Stonesy. Sell, sell, sell.

2. Wandering/ Revert to the mean. Everton coast quite often. When the game begins and it is nil-nil the team go through the motions. The players seems bereft of ideas and ping the ball around merrily until one of two things happen. A) They concede and decide to chase the game, often successfully then at 1-1 its back to the beginning. B) They score, lead, and then roll the ball around nonchalantly until they concede again (its why over 80% of games have one goal in them) . The Man City win was the only mentally strong performance I've seen, the players looked like they knew they had a lead and wanted to keep it.

3. The Ross Question. Two step forwards, two steps back for this frustrating player. Remember Norwich almost 3 years ago, the Swansea last minute free kick, the Newcastle RotRovers. Great moments but ultimately he still gives the ball away cheaply. For RB it is his temperament that sadly is his downfall, he tries hard but loses belief.
He cannot quite believe he should be that good. Those who watch him week in, week out know that he isn't all that, his goals have not been spectacular this season and he is guilty of crab-football. I want him to succeed and never shout/ jeer at his mistakes, but I do fear he will peter out into an average footballer. I hope I am wrong and that quirky journalism isn't writing 'football obituaries' about him from Accrington Stanley in 6 years time.

Back Ross, Sell Stones and let have a game plan.
Focus Everton

Jack.

{Ed025's Note - thats a good read jack, you need to post more often mate..

25 Jan 2016 21:06:21
We won't sell Stones for less than 50m but I think the only
way anyone would actually pay it is if there were 2 or 3 clubs desperate to get him, but as he is clearly not the finished article I doubt whether there are. Also I think he is listening too much to all the praise he has had in the last 12 months and thinks he can play his way out of every situation. Even the likes of Moore, Beckenbauer and Maldini knew you sometimes had to just put your foot through it and get it cleared.

25 Jan 2016 22:48:27
Great post Jaka.

25 Jan 2016 16:28:30
Controversial but I think if we had played two up front yesterday we would have won convincingly. Some of our best games this season have been Kone and Rom upfront as two targets for the wings. Swansea man marked Rom and kept their shape. We should always play two upfront at home against weeker opposition.

25 Jan 2016 16:37:37
Secondly, don't always roll it out from the back! Mix it up, watch them out of shape and back peddling, let Rom run at the defence; he will get chances and he will be pulled back.

25 Jan 2016 17:32:14
It's not controversial mate it's common sense, just don't think Kone is the answer.

{Ed025's Note - it is if the question is...who is the worst striker in the prem.. :)

25 Jan 2016 19:20:35
For the love of God that's why we're in a mess.
He sold Naismith and signed Kone.
Hopefully Bill in better health will realise he was totally conned (as many of you were) Victor Prerori for me!
Remember guys?
30 months and what progress?

25 Jan 2016 14:52:51
Bill Gates at finch farm unfortunately it's to promote sport relief thought our dreams had come true for a minute.

25 Jan 2016 15:33:46
George Osbourne there too, Martinez probably brought him in so he wasn't the only idiot at the training ground.

25 Jan 2016 22:55:37
Why are we letting vermin such as Osbourne and Gates at our training ground? The first may let us off with paying corporate tax, just hope the latter isn't offering vaccinations to the youth teams :)

25 Jan 2016 12:46:46
Your team is 2/1 down at home and your chasing the game, your manager has 2 attacking options and a defender on the bench what action would you expect your mamager to do to try and salvage something from the game is it A . Bring on another or different attacking option? Or B. Swap your right back for another right back? Answers on a postcard to R Martinez goodison park L4

25 Jan 2016 13:06:19
To be fair it was the right back who came on and had 2 clear goal scoring chances which is more than anyone else had! If Coleman put those chances away then that substitution would of been a stroke of genius!

25 Jan 2016 13:28:09
I want Martinez gone but I don't think it was a bad sub either. Oviedo has no right foot at all and he wasn't contributing at the back or going forward. Frankly, having watched him yesterday I can't work out why he was ever considered to start at rightback. He can't play there full stop.

25 Jan 2016 13:54:08
Oviedo should not start there. That's the point he has no clue. Coleman from the start.

25 Jan 2016 14:07:51
Surely if Coleman was fit enough to be on the bench and come on he was fit enougj to start? Why not give him an hour then bring on Bryan? .

25 Jan 2016 15:30:45
All very good in hindsight guys, if he started Coleman and he got injured then everybody would have slated him. Think he did the right thing in bringing him on for the last 30 mins and he actually had 2 sitters when he came on. Plenty do blame Martinez for but let's not pick holes in everything he does.

25 Jan 2016 16:06:22
I personally didn't think Oviedo was playing bad at all. Don't see why he had to be pulled off when there were other options on the bench.

25 Jan 2016 17:21:46
Tmh, I thought he played really well against city at right back but was pretty poor yesterday. Too left footed to play there in my opinion.

25 Jan 2016 17:37:40
Thought Swansea had him worked out, and knew he would always turn inside.

25 Jan 2016 12:24:45
Martinez moaning about the players being young and the crowd being on thier backs. Lukaku has over 100 top flight appearances, Barkley almost 100 and Stones has over 60, surely they have enough experience. It's not the crowds fault that Lukaku has an off day, or that Barkley can't hold onto the ball, or that Stones now seems to think he is better than he is. And most of all crowd not to blame for Martinez's defensive tactical failings!

25 Jan 2016 13:59:15
I don't think the crowd want to get on the players backs, more they are frustrated with the managers selections etc. Start the next home game with Howard on the bench may provide a different atmosphere.

If anyone needs to get on anyone's back, then it is the board who should be on Martinez and remind him he said he would get the club into Champions League. This season has been a badly missed opportunity to achieve that goal.

I also feel the club will regret selling Naismith unless a better replacement is brought in during the next few days.

25 Jan 2016 11:50:09
Maybe we should get Barry and Paul AKA The Chuckle Brothers as our next managers.

To me to you, To me to you.

Thats Stones and Howard. Oh shoot we have gifted another goal to the opposition.

25 Jan 2016 11:09:14
I think we have got to many players thinking of big money moves start doing it on are pitch first if stones wants to go sell him now also Barkley now thinks he's better than he is good going forward when he passes it gets it took off him then walks around leaving it to the rest of the team sell Howard now in fact give him for free thanks for the service but Robles is much better lukaku will want out soon carrying the team like Rooney was when he was here not rocket science it Carey's on we will all want Martinez out on borrowed time now?

25 Jan 2016 10:05:56
Should keep Martinez, have him coach attack and bring in Moyes to coach defence.

25 Jan 2016 10:16:38
Martinez is a coach not a Manager but his ego will not allow him to accept otherwise. Whereas Moyes might be boring football but he is a coach and Manager. What is baffling to me is that there is nothing in Martinez CV to suggest that his time in charge of Clubs leads to nothing but failure.

25 Jan 2016 13:07:52
a said the same thing - why would u want a manager that has just relegated his old team.

25 Jan 2016 13:57:12
My thoughts when we got Martinez, dazza the jock.

25 Jan 2016 07:20:52
With the player an squad we got we should be pushing top 4, we lost 17points from winning positions it's shocking that we couldn't beat Swansea, for me Bobby the problem he ain't got a clue what to do with the defence, two years now of shocking results for me Bobby got to be replaced at the end of the yr an I go for pellegrini.

25 Jan 2016 01:46:26
Evening ed I just wonder if roberto martinez is thinking he has made a big mistake in letting naismith go to norwich. given everton's poor form I am not saying they will get relegated but they could well get dragged into a relegation fight and having watched naismith yesterday he is everything everton require right now a hard working player who can give you goals as well. I really hope I am wrong about everton being dragged into a relegation battle but I fear the worst.

anyway good luck for rest of the season I will keep an eye on your results up here in bonnie land. lol.

25 Jan 2016 10:26:42
if he is thinking it he won't admit it the man just does not admit to mistakes.

25 Jan 2016 00:35:33
I got well and truly shot down recently over my personal views, which is fine, this is an open forum for us all to air our ideas of how we think our Team should be playing. I now firmly believe that it is time to replace Martinez as he has no idea about how to set up a team to defend. The basics of football has always been to disposess the man with the ball. not allow him to run 40/ 50 yds into our half without a single tackle being made, match after match! Tired of the tecnno bullshit on the touchline with ipads etc. We should NEVER play with just one man up front at home, as this gives the opposition defenders more time to play the ball, not enough pressure and Lukaku has to cover more ground than he should need to. Ross Barkley needs to learn to tackle a lot more and his decision making is a joke at times. He believes all that the press have been saying about him this season, and has forgotten to actually go out and play. Stones is defo playing for a ticket now, and is deliberately annoying the crowd so that he can say "the fans drove him out". If Chelsea or anyone else for that matter want to pay £50m for him. then let him go, and if Lukakus' agent likes the idea of him playing for PSG then £65/ 70m will allow him to go also, because today they didn't look at all interested. Its like watching Wigan play at Goodison under this fella and cannot see us winning at City on Wednesday. Martinez does not seem to see in the teams performances, what the fans see. Too many players now have had their heads turned and if they don't want to play for Everton, then let them go. I agree with other remarks on here. Mark Hughes would be a good choice. Just my opinion folks.

25 Jan 2016 08:15:24
I agree with all of that mate ecept the bit about Stones. tactically you are 100% right. We back off and back off. RM picks forwards for only their forward paly and not their ability to defend. All the pressure is on our defence. Deulofeu has no ideaa how to taackle. Barkley has no idea haw to jockey. Our defenders and in particularly Stones have too many decissons to make. And he is 22 years old so will make some mistakes. I actually agree with RM on that. but you are 100% right about our allowance of the opposition to run 40 or 50 yards unchallenged. Quote Bill Shankley, "The best form of defence is attaack". Our other big problem is that we have all these technically acceptable players he has signed and only a couple get into positions to put the ball in the oppositions goal. It is no surprise to me that we regularly have 60 to 70% possession in games but get about 2 or 3 shots on target in the 90 minutes. It is all well and good allowing the opposition the ball in their half. then when you finally close them down just pass it all over the pitch like a training session. from keeper to full back to center back to other full back to holding midfielder then back to centeer back then to winger and back to center back. Whilst we are messing round doing this, the opposition are organising themselvee to block out Lukaku because he is the only one who regularly puts the ball in the net. Jeez it is so obvious to me. I am not going to list them again, but all bar 2 players signed by RM have a very poor return rate for goals scored in the relative positions. Only Mori and Lukaku give a decent return. He just let one player go who gave a decent goals to minutes ratio. Apparently Mirallas is another he does not like. the only other player in our squad left with a good goal ratio. oh except Osman and he cannot be expected to even play these days. We need to sign some players who know where the goal is and stop leaking goals the other end due to tactical errors and players we are signing. Simple.

25 Jan 2016 10:10:26
With 5 in midfield we should be able to carry one flair forward Deulofeu particularly as he is the biggest threat to the opposition and provides the final ball that can get us goals. Playing at home 5 in midfield to me is a mistake. the opposition just sit back and double team Rom and look to hit us on the break. Without a second striker we have very little chance of moving defenders around to cause problems. Additionally our defense pushes up too high and when we get caught our decision making usually gets punished. Yesterday with the exception of a couple of individuals we were shocking.

25 Jan 2016 10:28:59
The reason we were steady under Moyes and not so steady under this fraud is simple. You did not play in a Moyes side unless you put in a shift, we were practically unbeatable at home under Moyes (except against our jinx side Arsenal that is) . I am old school and believe in hard work bringing rewards. Football is a competitive sport so for me I would rather win than lose or draw and if that means 1 - 0 and shut up shop then so be it.