Everton Banter Archive April 25 2016

25 Apr 2016 22:05:25
ha ha the media darlings spurs av blew it ha ha come on lester.

25 Apr 2016 22:49:58
Nothing aginst Spurs, but daneial Levey, couldent happen to a nicer guy.

25 Apr 2016 23:32:07
Knowing Levy would not surprise me if he did not sack the manager lol.

25 Apr 2016 21:57:11
Could be Leicester beat us to win league. Hope so because don't like the spuds.

25 Apr 2016 21:26:11
I still cannot understand the situation with Niasse who was not even on the bench against United leaving us with just Lukaku as center forward in the squad. Niasse cost us 13.5M pounds and a was given a 4.5 year contract. Not sure about his wages but if you assume it is at least the average Everton player salary then it is 1.5M pounds a year. So we invested a total of at least 21M pounds on a player that cannot even make the bench for our most important game of the year. This alone should give the board reason for wondering if we have the right man to spend whatever money will be available for new players this summer.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point mike..

25 Apr 2016 22:05:09
What would happen if we had to sell him how much would we get for him posibly nothing.

25 Apr 2016 22:10:30
The loch Niasse monster was never seen.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff alan..

25 Apr 2016 23:43:45
Convinced something strange going on at the club re Niasse. He played for Senegal the other week and scored and can't get in the team. Who on earth sanctioned that transfer. He is obviously no good. Would not surprise me if the players had no respect for Martinez. They know he is a fraud like the majority of us. At the moment we need a manager with plenty of experience who commands respect. It would be great if we went for Simeone or Dortmund's manager. Let's see what the new shareholder does when he asks the board questions! Surely he will not allow Martinez to buy any players. let us hope that Martinez gets his marching orders soon. Fergie and Unsworth till end of the season.

25 Apr 2016 21:44:37
Just a quick point ed, clueless' name doesn't appear anywhere on the official Everton fc home page. Got me thinking 💭.

{Ed025's Note - still down as manager when i looked martout..

26 Apr 2016 08:43:59
I am wondering if the Niasse scenario is becoming like the Etoo exit? a complete mystery?

25 Apr 2016 20:52:54
On a brighter note Kieran dowell has just bagged his hat trick
Rom who?

25 Apr 2016 20:13:55
Do you think the lack of noise coming out of Everton at present, could be down to Everton trying to find who is available, before sacking RM, I mean they may think we don't have a better option at this present time, I personally would sack him now and see what the team's like for the last few games of the season, under temporary management.

25 Apr 2016 20:25:30
Tell you what Jim we could do a lot worse than your suggestion about interim managing because it would separate the men from the boys etc.

As for the silence well doesn't that usually mean 'go before we make you'?

25 Apr 2016 20:40:03
Joe Royal, as caretaker?

25 Apr 2016 20:54:56
With only four games to play we have time to look for a new manager, we can manage under big Dunc for a few games. The only reason that I can think of for the delay is that Martinez has somehow conned the board into believing he should stay.
If he does the future of our team is very very bleak.

{Ed025's Note - i was told today that if they keep him until june they dont have to pay the £2m compensation package, how true it is im not sure mate..

25 Apr 2016 21:23:45
Hey Ed £2m would be worth it imo.

The intent and ambition shown to the players might pay more than £2m in the long run mate what do you think?

{Ed025's Note - i can see what your saying mate but if they do have the chance to save that sort of money then i expect they will..

25 Apr 2016 21:50:17
Ed, someone else posted something similar further down but ed002 says that is nonsense, there is no such clause he says.

{Ed025's Note - oh right spud, it was just something i heard from a guy at the club, but as i said i was not sure of its credibility mate..

25 Apr 2016 22:19:21
So many rumours and counter rumours flying about right now ed that it's hard to decipher what's got substance or not. I was convinced I would wake up after a night shift today to the news confirming RM had gone.

{Ed025's Note - your right there spud, its very hard to separate the wheat from the chaff mate..

25 Apr 2016 19:21:55
Just read that martinez has been talking to the press about incredible signings in the summer! Surely this can't be true. How can he still be in a job and trusted with money, look at niasse and the farce around him.
Please someone in the so called know spread some good news.

25 Apr 2016 19:37:27
I'm buying a yacht over in Monte Carlo when I win the lottery next week.

25 Apr 2016 19:56:20
Is there room for one Spaniard, he loves sailing, describes it as "phenomenonal".

25 Apr 2016 20:16:03
If I was Tony Soprano he would be welcome on the Stugots anytime!

25 Apr 2016 20:38:57
Mushy, hate to burst your bubble mate, but even a lottery win won't get you hatch in Monte Carlo. Mind you five or six rollovers might do it.

25 Apr 2016 17:48:57
A friend of mine seems quite adamant that Martinez will be sent packing on 1st June and if we terminate his contract before then he is due a very large golden handshake.
Had anyone else heard anything about this?

{Ed002's Note - Your friend is teasing you.}

25 Apr 2016 17:56:28
Cheers Ed.

25 Apr 2016 19:26:23
Was mentioned on radio Merseyside football phone in tonight. The lads in the studio heard same thing seemed to make sense according to them.

{Ed002's Note - They are wrong. It is nonsense.}

25 Apr 2016 19:42:37
Agree with ed. Last year same was said about brenda rodgers and he never went then either.

25 Apr 2016 19:54:03
Nonsense based on what Ed? do you yourself know the details of the frauds contract and any clauses? Doubt anyone does like but with you being in the know.

{Ed002's Note - There is no "clause" in the manager's contract that sees him paid a "very large golden handshake" if he is sacked before June 1 in the same way that there are no clauses in Lukaku's contract that allow Chelsea to buy him cheaply. You are very gullible fans.}

26 Apr 2016 08:54:08
Not gullible Ed,as I said I doubt anyone knows the details of anyones contract all we are doing is fishing for info.The club treat us fans like mushrooms even our own Ed25 said he had heard the same rumour and like myself he's not sure how true it was.Being a rumours/banter site and with you being in the know so to speak I thought I would ask you.Fair play to you you said there's no clause I will bow to your superior knowledge.

{Ed002's Note - I can guarantee that his contract contains no such bizarre clauses - if "gullible" doesn't suit perhaps "easily led" is less upsetting Jimmy. The club has nothing to say right now, and I am not so sure what you are expecting them to say. They will be looking to get to the end of the season before sitting down and considering the overall way forward. If they are pushed in to a corner by the fans before then, I can assure you that the board will not be at all happy with the fans. The problem is that the fans do not see the bigger picture of the business and want knee jerk reactions.}

26 Apr 2016 09:15:20
Thanks Ed,that reply is loud and clear.AS I said you know your stuff .

{Ed002's Note - No problem Jimmy. The critical thing is that the decisions are the right decisions and that there is a plan in place. Not just for the footballing side but for the whole business - the academy, the stadium, the commercial exploitation etc..}

25 Apr 2016 17:35:02
Question,

I know you boys are fuming about Brown Shoes, but why was he such a huge success in his first season and been so poor ever since?

I believe he achieved a total points record and 5th place and qualification to Europa League in his first season.

In fact, I heard today (I might be wrong) , he achieved almost as many points in his first season, than the next 2 seasons combined (including this season) .

My theory, he benefitted from Moyes very good back 4 of Distin, Jagielka, Coleman and Baines, who have subsequently aged and are not as good (understandably) as they use to be.

Is his biggest problem his inability to upgrade Moyes's brilliant back 4?

(This is also Wenger's biggest problem as our back 4 have never been sufficiently replaced since George Graham's day) .

25 Apr 2016 17:58:36
ye the back four apart from stones is the back four from moyes days. his tatics in first season were similar to moyes in defence terms with distan still playing. we don't have cb close to distan now a real hench back who can throw people around mori properly closest we go to that but that we lack.

25 Apr 2016 17:58:54
It's not so much an inability to upgrade them but more of a case of not having a clue how to get them to do their job. Defending the 18 yard box.

25 Apr 2016 19:38:01
You are right Dags, he definitely benefited from the defensive unit he inherited. Obviously they have aged but the shape and the way RM wants them to play the ball out, rather than the tried and tested defensive method of percentages, has stifled us. That first season had the full backs getting up and down the line, scoring and assisting. They are not permitted to do this as much now he has implemented his own philosophy. I suppose that could be coupled with the fact that opposing teams get their wingers to play a bit higher, meaning LB or SC have to be more weary of bombing up the wing.
It's too easy to blame our deficiencies on him not improving on the defence of DM's era, we have other problems within the squad. I've mentioned it here on other posts before now but it is essential as to why RM must be replaced asap. Look at his last 5 seasons as a premiership manager,
Wigan 15th 43 pts -20 g/ d
Wigan 18th 36 pts (relegated) -26
EFC 5th 72 pts +22
EFC 11th 47 pts -2
EFC 11th 41 pts +5 (with 4 games remaining)
From this we can see one season sticks out, the rest are pretty much similar. We may not leak as many goals as his Wigan team but that shouldn't detract from the fact that we still concede too many.
Barring one season, first with us, his claims and promises when he was first introduced as our manager are quite staggering, not to mention comical. We have no chance of champions league, nor any European football, any time soon. He is a mid-table manager at best.

25 Apr 2016 20:06:17
Good replies Gents.

Thank you.

25 Apr 2016 15:44:50
Hi all evertonians was at Wembley on Saturday thought we should have been a bit louder vocally even lakaku was trying to get us going more growing his arms up and what I find strange no one saying why rom even took the peno thought that was all sorted after the mural las miss Baines takes them jags should have stood up and told rom bainesy taking it? And we all want Martinez out get the banners out again the weekend they will soon get him out when we are not rushing to renew are season tickets never thought I would say this but even notes would do if we can't get pellet grind in?

25 Apr 2016 16:28:03
Love predictive text. I would take either notes or pellet grind over martinez as well.

{Ed025's Note - love it avro..

25 Apr 2016 17:22:45
Was that post in Scouse?

Cos this London boy is struggling to understand it, lol.

I jest of course :-)

25 Apr 2016 17:32:55
the penalty situation would have been sorted before they even left the changing rooms, Rom is on the pens even though he missed his last, believe me I wasn't confident!

25 Apr 2016 13:32:49
Frank de boer for me great pedigree as a player and doing a fantastic job with Ajax. Knows how to defend too which would be something different to what Bobby has put us through for the last 2 years!

25 Apr 2016 14:02:23
Heard rumours FM was willing to pay JM £12 million a year over 3 years. Would Diego Simeone not consider £ 10 million a year with a £100 million a year to spend plus the activity from new invest regarding a new ground, training complex and youth development. Surely it's down to FM to convince the best that this is the start of greatness for our club and make the best want to be a part of it.

{Ed002's Note - You are living in a fantasy land LIam.}

25 Apr 2016 14:20:07
Ed 002. Has there been any news that you have heard over the last few days that would give credence to what's been posted on this site regarding a change in manager. Or are we all getting too excited over a Twitter storm in a tea cup?

{Ed002's Note - No TA. I don't know where this has come from, I know some were saying they had messages from inside the club etc., but perhaps Twitter was really to blame. As far as I am concerned, I expect we will see out the coming couple of weeks or so and then the club will sit down with the manager and discuss the future. From my perspective, I would think advice is perhaps already being taken, but I cannot confirm that.}

25 Apr 2016 14:38:48
Nice one Ed.

25 Apr 2016 14:48:14
Ed002: the idea that a "name" will come in, spend "mega-bucks", wave a magic wand, and bring guaranteed instant success is, I agree, sheer fantasy.
We need imho a sound strategic plan for the club - on and off the field and in the community - that is intelligently and diligently carried out by all concerned.
For all the criticism of ManCity and Chelsea about their spending and lack of first-team opportunities for young players, they have recently been very successful at U-21, U-18, and FA Youth Cup level. ManCity have done good work in the local community. Chelsea are well run financially and no longer rely on the owner to constantly bankroll them.
Everton fans should regard FM's investment as "seed money" to help start a regeneration. It's not a bottomless pit to be frittered away. We must hope that FM and his associates develop Everton into a self-sustaining viable business that (hopefully! ) delivers all-round success.

{Ed002's Note - Most of teh money will come from the new television deal Sid. It is significant. Add to that money from the likely sale of Lukak and teh possible sale of Stones.}

25 Apr 2016 12:50:12
As a club - and as a fanbase - we surely must aspire to be the best we can possibly be.
With the FM investment - and the television, etc., money - tangible success is becoming realistically achievable.
However, at the moment we are not a Champions League regular, we haven't won a trophy for over twenty years, and -, although we've recruited well and developed good young players - we are unlikely to hold on to our better (more ambitious) players.
Whoever replaces RM - hopefully sooner rather than later - I expect the club to set a time-limited target of what must be delivered. Results - on and off the field - must be paramount, not wishful thinking and vacuous promises of a golden generation just around the corner.

25 Apr 2016 13:25:39
Nice Post Sid

Although no longer the seemingly impossible, the stadium question is always there and until it's resolved it's like there it is at the back of my mind
Best way I can describe it is it's like an itch I can't scratch?

25 Apr 2016 13:34:19
With the money now in the game you can probably say that of maybe 10 clubs.

25 Apr 2016 11:59:26
ED025: you've mentioned "dignity" when commenting about BK ne the RM situation.
That's a good word.
I am thankful to BK for how he took on the club after the Agent Jonson disaster.
I respect how he had to make tough financial decisions (transferring Rooney and others) and how he worked with DM to bring compritive stability (and a modicum of progress) to our club.
He should now be allowed to end his ownership/ running of the club with dignity, be recognised (Life Vice-President) , and enjoy being "just" a fan once again.
All I ask, is that his final decisive act is to tell RM, "thanks for all your efforts, but the club wants to give someone else the opportunity to deliver success. " No matter how distressing and tearful that parting might be, the vast majority of fans are loudly demanding it.

{Ed025's Note - and it will happen sid, moshiri will take control shortly and we will see a harder line taken at boardroom level, bill wants this im informed and will be more than happy to relinquish the reins, hes a nice guy and not as ruthless as most would want him to be but im told moshiri is mate..

25 Apr 2016 12:32:50
Ed025

I hope Mr Moshiri isn't too 'ruthless' and I'm also hoping that BK knows the measure of what will be the new guvnor,
However like Sid has said it really is the right time for the right reasons and I'm sure Bill will insist on things being done in a proper and fitting way.

{Ed025's Note - im sure he will 247..

25 Apr 2016 11:03:56
Yesterday this site made me feel good with people knowing Martinez had gone. Well now 11.00 on Monday and no sign of this, please to not play such cruel jokes on us at this time.
let's face it non of us know anything we can only hope.
Kenright has allways been a very secretive chairman and Moshiri seems the same but until he has gone we do not know what they think.
I believe Bill has gone soft in the head since his illness and we as fans can just hope for action soon.

{Ed025's Note - you do know this is a rumour site right?..people hear stuff and post it and some will come to fruition and some wont thats what its all about milomj, insulting the manager and now the chairman does not really achieve much mate and makes you sound rather shallow imo..

25 Apr 2016 11:51:23
. this is Everton Milomj. we always take an age to get things sorted. believe you me mate, he's gone. things are happening behind the scenes and there will be an announcement soon. Pelligrini has ordered his tracksuit already mate! ;)

{Ed025's Note - and his curly wig is in the post.. :)

25 Apr 2016 12:06:23
Sorry milomj I just cannot go along with having a pop at BK's illness.

and right now there is all sorts of speculation etc.

There is (if you read the signs) something going on e. g. The 'fraudulent one' sniping at previous managers or to be precise one manager in paticular .

This tells me he is at a crucial place in his career, he won't want to go under the present circumstances (look dreadful on the cv etc. )
However the fact is he is stooping low at the minute, read into that what you will!

25 Apr 2016 12:28:20
I meant no malice, BK he has done wonders for the club and I respect and love the man I do apologise if this has been taken the wrong way. I hope Bill becomes a lifetime president of the club, he saved us from bankrupsy and I will allways love the man for that.
I must say though I will never apologise for the incompitant one, he has earned all his insults from me and others.

25 Apr 2016 12:40:14
I think we are all a bit stressed at the minute milomj mate.

Evertonians eat stress for breakfast and kiss it goodnight at the end of the day : (

25 Apr 2016 10:04:15
Things are getting a bit silly now IMO. Yes we want RM to go his own way, yes we want Bill to do something positive to appease the anger (justifiable anger too) of fans and yes we know the board have been too quiet for our liking, but come on - protests? banners? Please leave that stuff to the idiots across the park, it's kopite behaviour. Everton have always shown class on and off the field and this should be no different. I'm not having this "I pay my money, I deserve my say" malarkey. It is our choice to support the club and our choice to spend the money we do not own the club! The people who do own the club do what they want and, like it or not, we have to trust them. So, support the club with a bit of dignity and class, after all - we are Everton!

25 Apr 2016 11:22:52
Like Aston Villa?

{Ed025's Note - im with pedro on this one jcl, dignity is the key word here for me mate..

25 Apr 2016 11:32:25
SIMPLY respect is earned and EFC treat is supportes like second class citizens. Need a expert in custommer care at Everton, if they were a food or hotel chain they would have long gone bust its only blind faith that keeps these teams afloat.

25 Apr 2016 11:40:53
Ed. as u say its all about opinions. I think u can protest in a dignified way, e. g. The white hanky idea or cheer in the 18th and 78th minute. personally I never boo my own team or manager. its not my style.

{Ed025's Note - me neither jcl, even though they do get on my nerves at times..

25 Apr 2016 12:31:11
Trebor - customer care? We are a football club, not a supermarket. I just don't buy this notion that because you pay money to watch a football team that you are entitled to have a say in the way it is run.

25 Apr 2016 07:57:34
Why can't the club just be straight with the fans. They know exactly what they going to do. sack him now end of season or not LET US KNOW. Think I read this before on here, 'We are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed muck.

{Ed025's Note - they have always been the same spikey..

25 Apr 2016 07:01:05
Watched the video of Jags and Ross from ht at the semi final and doesn't make pleasant viewing for me. I've always felt he gets too much stick from the fans in comparison to other players and a lot of it, in my opinion, is unjustified. He must be so used to getting stick that when he hears his own fans booing he thinks it's directed at him. He is looked upon as one of our better players/ prospects and is one of us. I think, out of the three we value as our top players, Rom and Stones get away with far more even when they are going through rough patches.
Don't get me wrong, the lad hasn't found consistency in his game, experience will bring that eventually, but most games he shows flashes of the ability he possesses. His main problem, surprise surprise, is the way his manager gets him to play. If the rumours are correct and RM is getting the bullet, then it would be interesting to see him under a new manager, someone who knows what they are doing. Next season will be a big one for Ross, let's hope we find a manager who can nurture the undoubted talent he has.

25 Apr 2016 07:41:57
Seen that myself and thought it's obvious the reaction plays on his mind, he's desperate to do well for the blues and is clearly heartbroken that he feels it's aimed at him, time for people to stop picking on sometimes the only player on the pitch that doesn't go sideways.

25 Apr 2016 08:02:30
The lad has so much potential but not showing it. You got to remember he is being told how and where to play by the the clown with the frown. A. good manager would make him play and realise that potential and base his game on them strengths.

{Ed025's Note - heres my take on ross for what its worth...nice guy with amazing talent, local lad which helps with supporters and still young..but is very frustrating at times and because of his languid style can look lazy, gives the ball away too easily for me and not the best at tracking back, being a wavertree guy myself im desperate for him to do well but all too often disappoints me, i feel like running on the pitch and kicking him up the arse at times and feel that a manager with better motivational skills and a taskmaster would get the best out of him..as i said just my view..

25 Apr 2016 09:15:37
Ed025 a spot on assessment, the boy looks so devoid of confidence and his decision making re final pass etc is poor, so I can't say he has really developed that much over the last season and would possibly see him behind Delli Ali when it comes to an England place.

{Ed025's Note - way behind alli for me wakka, he frustrates the life out of me as i know having watched him as a young kid that he has so much more to offer mate..

25 Apr 2016 09:58:13
As a team we don't press but stand off a lot this makes the whole of the forwards and mid field look lazy at times. Ross has also had a dip in form as as the team plus the team are easy to defend against due to our tactics. He has got some great qualities that I if developed would make him a great asset to any team. I just don't see that happening under RM.

{Ed025's Note - tactics are the main problem sa, rom is labelled as lazy and i can see why but he is so isolated that hes probably fed up running into space and not recieving the service he requires, the same could be said of ross who is a flair player who needs someone to direct him on the pitch a peter reid type who would be continually down his ear and on his case for me..

25 Apr 2016 10:18:10
RM recently stated he did not pursue the purchase of Payet as he wanted to develop Ross Barkley instead, yet another mistake, does he not think by having another attacking midfielder with greater experience would also help ross learn and compete for a starting place?

{Ed025's Note - sounds feasible to me wakka..

25 Apr 2016 13:47:03
Some of the comments here about Ross Barkley and the fact that its the managers fault is so contradictory its untrue, but anything to beat the blame Martinez drum.
Martinez may tell him how and where to play but doesn't tell him to pass to the opposition, or not see a player who is open that is down to the player and as far as not improving this is his most creative season for us having scored more goals and setup more goals than any of his other seasons.
That I believe is progress!

25 Apr 2016 06:40:06
Read that there is a 4 strong shortlist for the new boss.

Koeman
FDB
Pellegrini
Biesla

Firstly I don't want Eddie Howe as the next boss, but every one saying we want a proven winner etc and then listing off various managers - realistically what has any of the listed won?

FDB managers the best Dutch team there is, I think any of us could win the title with them.

Koeman - nothing.

Biesla - unpredictable belter, walked out from Marseille within months.

Pellegrini - won the league and few cups with city. Couldn't you do the same with that team? Younger silva, yaya, kompany, zaba, aguero? Before that he had won sod all.

Whilst I agree that Howe isn't what we want or need, to disregard him as crap is very harsh, he managed to get a bunch of league 2 footballers into the premier league and comfortably survive whilst (until this year) spending absolutely nothing

In reality I don't see any "proven winners" coming to us, can anyone actually name any that are likely to come?

I would be more than happy with FDB or Pellegrini as the next gaffer as I think they are decent managers, but proven winners, they are not.

Does anyone have any managers they fancy for the job that haven't been mentioned on here already?

25 Apr 2016 07:58:43
Howe isn't crap and he is a blue, but when you are at Everton you need some background in winning or at least international football. Howe in a few years maybe let him learn his trade, it's will be a case of out of the frying pan into the fire, the players need a big name presents to show them who is the manager, big players might not listen to him, and we can have all the money in the world but no one will be attracted to Everton if he got the job.
Fdb is my choice. And to write Ajax off ain't good they won league champs league and qualify regularly.

25 Apr 2016 08:04:39
andre villas boas 60.28% win percentage an on a free.

{Ed025's Note - there is a reason hes on a free dazza..

25 Apr 2016 08:08:22
We need a manager who can attract the best players eddie howe is not that manager i'm afraid pellegrini maybe.

{Ed025's Note - i agree shogs..

25 Apr 2016 10:15:16
disagree shogs, 99% of players will go to a team for the money its not the manager that attracts the best players its the cash. Football is a job with a limited work span there are very few players that just play for the love of the game.

25 Apr 2016 11:33:06
AvB. Absolutely terrible at spurs, no team cohesion, creativity, were flat and clueless. Bale made tottenham look a lot better not because of his influence in the sqaud but his individual talent. I. e baling ot in with little or no contribution from the other 10 players. For wxample bale running and wacking it. For me ir would be like swapping a phone with a badly cracke. Screen with half a phone. He might have better aspects of his cv but prem is not one.

25 Apr 2016 04:43:33
Just got back from London and watched the match again. We were ****in unbelievable 2nd half, must of been too pissed to notice on Saturday. Can't blame martinez for this one, but he better be sacked by the time I wake up this afternoon.