Everton Banter Archive March 24 2015

 

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24 Mar 2015 22:32:59
I don't see any king of improvement next season with Martinez.

99% of fans don't trust him. Baines doesn't trust him which was clear when he was commentating. Mirallas doesn't and is off in the summer. Lukaku doesn't trust him and wants a move after just one season. Distin fell out with him. Howard publicly questioned his tactics.

You can't win games against top teams by just practicing ball work. Arsenal have scored more goals than any other team this season from set plays. that's a great manager. He's adapted their football. And to think martinez doesn't even work on them.

As for giving him money. Alcaraz and mcGeady are not up to this league. Robles is young and has shown big improvements. Lukaku is a good young talent but I fear his attitude and his belief we are a stepping stone will see him leave sooner rather than later. McCarthy is a class act and if he adds goals will be one of the best in EPL. However, he won't be staying if man u or chelsea come in for him. Besic could turn out to be a good signing but he needs to release the ball quicker and be more direct.

Loan signings are always going to be hit and miss especially when you sign them. Barry good last year but he does cost us goals when he keeps the ball too long. When gives it early he's good. Atsu is too lightweight and sometimes plain stupid. Lennon is a good loan signing but he frustrates me. doesn't score enough and his final ball is terrible. Over hit or inaccurate. Ged def was good and excited the crowd. Only young but direct with goals in him over time. We'll never get him back.

Do I trust him with money then? Yes. When it comes to paying big money He's bought well. The free transfers are the ones that haven't worked.

Do I trust him with the players? No. Tactics, comments and lack of adaptability mean he will never get the most out of them. Eventually frustration will develop like this year and cause unrest and disharmony.

Another season of disappointment.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that john..

25 Mar 2015 01:09:07
Liked this post except for one point and I'm sure I'll get stick for pointing this out but I wish people would stop saying things like "99% of fans don't trust him" or words to that effect don't presume to speak for other people you don't even know 1% of all everton fans so how can you know what 99% think I myself wanted to believe Martinez had a plan but over the season its starting to look like he really is out of his depth although I don't have a problem with him being positive I'd much rather have that than someone who is dour and negative but I do agree he does says things that go against the evidence of the performances.
I do think he should be given more time, this season has been poor but we are not in danger of being relegated purely based on our fixtures and the fixtures of teams below and around us.
It will be interesting to see what effect the lack of european football has on our league form.
who does everyone think we should try and get if BK surprises us and does sack RM at the end of the season?

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25 Mar 2015 07:43:41
Its a flipant figure I used but I'm not say like or want. Even most people who want him there or like him still won't fully trust him. I like him as a person but I don't trust him to turn things around and put us back to chasing the top 4.

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{Ed025's Note - you and me both john..

25 Mar 2015 13:30:34
''this season has been poor but we are not in danger of being relegated purely based on our fixtures and the fixtures of teams below and around us. ''

Staying in the Premier League then will be because of 'Lady Luck' smiling on our fortunes?

Rather than a good squad (which I believe we have) and a good manager (which I believe we don't have) guiding us to safety with skill, effort and savvy tactics?

Lady Luck is a busy lass and we have no right to expect her to provide us with crappy teams that have Championship football written all over them, to join us in relegation zones in the future!

On the contrary most teams that go down are only marginally worse than those who just about stay up imo.

Roberto Martinez is not equipped to do battle with gritty tooth and nail football teams like these .

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25 Mar 2015 13:47:10
The results have been bad, the performances have been woeful, but, where he really generated hostility, was describing those who "dared" to voice their disapproval, as not proper evertonions.Have been going to everton since 1963, some good times, some bad, but I know crap when I see it, you can try to put a posative spin on one bad performance, but try to do that with 30 plus games, and people see you for what you are A FRAUD.

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24 Mar 2015 16:28:06
For me we need a massive clear out in the summer.
This is only my thoughts.

Drop howard to be number 2 goile
Distan. Free to leave
Alcatras. 500k to a cham club
Barry. Who ever wants him for free.
Mirallas 15m. Been told spurs want him
Pinner. 1mil some where abroad.
Kone. 3m. A promoted team or champ team.
Mcgreedy 2m same as above.
Baines 18-20m. Make garbutt first choice with new 5 year contract.

Thats the outs

Ins

Lennon 6-7m buy out clause
Astu. 8m buy out clause
Alderwedian (spelling)? Could push for first team.
That french monaco striker can't remeber name
A 20m Attack mid signing ( marquee siging)
And there's a good few Frees out there this year so I would take 2-3 of those in the areas where we would be short.

And use next season as a gelling season and hope for a good run with the right players.

My team would be.


Rolbes
Colman. Jags. Stones. Garbutt.
Lennon. McC. Besic. Astu
Barkley/marquee signing
The beast.

Or

Rolbes
Stones. Jags. Alder
Coleman. Garbutt
McC besic
Barkley. Marquee Att mid.
Beast


Think if we had a squad like these we should challange for some thing.

Whats you throughtz ed25 and the rest of you

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{Ed025's Note - its a lot of changes yorkie, and i think we do need a major overhaul but maybe not as many as that mate..

24 Mar 2015 17:40:37
I wouldn't want Atsu to be honest, I don't think he has shown enough to warrant a permanent contract. Maybe a cheeky bid for Deulofeu instead.

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24 Mar 2015 19:41:33
And I don't think Deulofeu did enough either to warrant us to waste money by buying him.

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{Ed025's Note - that depends on the price jimmy..

24 Mar 2015 20:37:50
To be honest Ed025s any fee plus his wage demands wouldn't warrant us to buy him imo, he jut didn't do enough for me.Apart from the Arsenal cameo and goal at the emirates, every time I watched him he was a disapointment dare I say a lazy primadonna. Who hasn't pulled up any trees since returning to Barca and being sent out on loan to Sevilla I think

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{Ed025's Note - i agree to a certain extent jimmy, what he does have is potential mate and a lot of skill, if someone could harness it they could have a great player on their hands mate..

24 Mar 2015 21:11:25
He is far from the finished article that is for sure Jimmy, in terms of potential I think he has more to offer than Atsu.

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24 Mar 2015 21:40:26
Atsu has been used sparingly as a winger by Martinez. He was player of the tournament in the African Cup when played in his proper position in the centre, another square peg in a round hole so he's not had a chance here.

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{Ed025's Note - i think he can play on the wing rick, but as you say he was never really given a chance..

25 Mar 2015 08:58:08
Victor Moses was voted African nations player if the tournament, so doesn't really mean much that one!

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25 Mar 2015 11:13:36
Agree with players out other than baines. We have missed the boat with getting a big fee for him so I would keep him and he still has a lot to offer us. wouldn't bring atsu in feel there is better out there. would like to get delefeu back, if lennon puts in more good performances keep him, however let's not get carried away by a couple of games. Ayew looks like he is on our radar aswel think he is out of contract. I think robles should play to the end of the season, 8 games to give him a chance to prove he is good enough, then decide if we need a keeper. I would also give a few of the young lads a go like browning ledson galoway, even if only for last 20 minutes or so, because feel we are safe now and we need to build for next season. Will also give the senior players a kick up the a##e to show that they need to up their performances. We still have good young players they just need a new manager to guide them.

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25 Mar 2015 15:23:16
Well said robbie and sean, i'd personally sell baines to anyone for any price in a heartbeat. he's not done anything since moyes' second to last season, he refuses to go forward, something bryan and luke do even without help. he's probably the worst one on one defender at the club, his set pieces are some of the worst in the league and dare I say it, he doesn't look the slightest bit arsed to me. Bet he wishes he did leave, I wish he did, he's slower, weaker, worse on the ball and shows less passion than either oviedo or garbutt, but again, the main point for me is in my opinion, he doesn't actually care.

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24 Mar 2015 08:34:38
Spurs have told Everton that Lennon would cost £6 million. If that is true, I would get him in a second. He brings a much better balance to the team than Mirallas, and actually tries, which is something I can't remember thinking about our Belgian winger for an awfully long time.

We would probably get a lot more than £6 million for Mirallas too, so it would be good business all round.

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24 Mar 2015 09:08:15
Cant see Levy letting him go for that mate, no chance, he will have a dozen clubs after him as he looks like he is playing for a decent move

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24 Mar 2015 10:17:23
No murf, he will have all the usual clubs after him and he rejected them all for us, levy doesn't decide where he has to go, it is also an option to buy for 6m anyway so levy has no say now anyway

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24 Mar 2015 10:57:01
If it is an option to buy @ 6 million then it looks like a bargain Swan

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24 Mar 2015 13:49:12
Indeed

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24 Mar 2015 15:39:48
Most loan deals have a future option price pre agreed at the time, £6m in todays market for Lennon is good value.

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24 Mar 2015 16:04:00
After seeing the papers saying 6mil good price.
When he signed I got told it was with a option to buy for 7m. And same with astu for 8m.

And mirallas I have been told will go to spurs for 15m and that will cover the cost of lennon and astu. And.leave us with our budget for a extra att mid and 2 CBs who will be pushing for a first team spot

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24 Mar 2015 16:59:48
Mmm didn't we all think Barry was a must buy after his performances last season.
Never entirely convinced when it comes to loan players, though I have to agree he is better than the current crop we have.

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25 Mar 2015 02:32:03
Your dreaming Yorkshire blue if you think we're getting 15m for kev, for one he's not worth that and two levy is no fool especially when players are in the last year of there contracts. We will be lucky if we get 6m for him in my opinion.

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24 Mar 2015 00:39:41
Morning everyone! Not been on in a while, but a real change has happened since the last time I was here.

We got knocked out of Europa, and everyone was like "OMG Martinez OUT", but then we won against Relegated QPR (No disrespect to QPR fans, but be reasonable), and everyone was like "OMG Turning point to the season".

My question is did I miss something??????

RM had 1 thing going for him. The fact that we were still in the Europa, but now we're knocked out, why is he still here?? Its a disgrace.

I don't know whether people in the know have knowledge of him being replaced, but I for one would like to see that, AND a bunch of players gone too.

Its clear now that Mirallas is very much another teams player. Why? Because there is no way in heck that we are going to be able to reach the CL, or Europe with our current position. So there is already one OUT.

Garbutt will also be gone, with Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal all looking at him I think? So there's another OUT.

Rom will stay another year ( I HOPE SO) He's been a life saver for us, and to think people actually make him a scapegoat. Imagine playing a style of football that doesn't suit you, but still being able to score goals. he's BRILLIANT.

Now onto the Deadwood:

Howard - Loads of mistakes. hopefully he can chip to the MLS for a decent fee. say 1 mill if we're lucky.

Distin and Alcaraz - Oh my goodness. the torridness of the two. Distin is shocking, and Alcaraz is a lazy sod. Hardly runs after things and is scared to tackle.

Barry - Just no

Pienaar - FINALLY. Someone I actually like. Love the lad to bits, but reckon he's not at Prem level any more. Would love to see him prove me wrong tho.

And Am done. reckon I've got everyone.

In the summer, we need:

1 CB

Promote Browning to Understudy Coleman at RB

1 Creative mid, like Sigurdson and Fabregas esque. Someone who will "Hollywood Ball" the ball forward to our attack, and not be affraid to lob a lad.

and finally 2, yes 2 wingers. Lennon has grown on me since his arrival, but I think Spurs will price him out. and the other winger could be anyone better than McGeady. Please. Please?

Hope your all doing fine tho. I think we should be good for the rest of the season. waiting for the season of 15-16.

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24 Mar 2015 10:19:27
Brownings a centre back and i'd promote him to there and buy another to have them 2 with stones and jags. Spurs can't price us out, its all down to lennon and us at the end of the season, I want baines to go, we need a new goalkeeper, can we release howard please, 2 more wingers and a striker

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24 Mar 2015 11:07:05
how about Heaton from Burnley for a new goalie?

posted before about Austin from Stoke?

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24 Mar 2015 21:19:07
Out: Howard to mls (3m), Hibbert, Alcaraz, Distin, Barry free, Pienaar (2m), Mirallas (10m), Kone (3m) = 18m. IN: keeper (3m as backup), januzai (10m), aweye (free), midfielder (10m), and persic (15m), plus 2 others on free transfer to beef up squad. Oh and Billic as new manager

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{Ed025's Note - 3m for tim ray?....turkish lira maybe..

24 Mar 2015 21:52:33
The yanks might pay big money for one of their own stars (here's hoping)!

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{Ed025's Note - well they paid dood money for london bridge raymondo...lets hope they do the same for our old relic mate..

 
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