Everton Banter Archive July 24 2018

24 Jul 2018 22:25:45
richarlison is this season's salah u watch c'mon son.

24 Jul 2018 21:37:12
Welcome Rich hit the ground running lad prove the doubters wrong.

25 Jul 2018 11:50:17
He certainly does hit the ground a lot.

24 Jul 2018 13:42:32
I see too much of martinez in Silva - plenty of attack and nice football but defence woeful.

my biggest concern is that if we do not get any of these defenders we are being linked too we may panic buy at the last minute - I would have thought before of loading mori we would have had a replacement already signed - we have mostly been linked with wingers ( which we already have ) and it looks like we are spending 30-50 mill on a bang average player imho
Time will only tell but at this stage I am not holding my breath on anything above 10th this season as it stands.

24 Jul 2018 14:36:51
Well as Mori played zero minutes for us last season and we finished 8th, I’m not particularly worried about his departure. Add to the almost certain replacement of Bolasie who not for want of trying just wasn’t up to standard last season, with Richarlison. I actually think we can get more points than last season.

A fit Besic is looking a better option than Tom Davies (it pains me to say) . Sandro looked good against Porto so could provide competition for Theo. Certainly knows how to help Coleman out too.

So without any further signings I can already see improvements on last season.

Who knows. Maybe Silva will have us shooting at goal. Now that would be a step in the right direction.

24 Jul 2018 15:12:41
If we start shooting at goal, well, I'm not sure what I'd do.
Don't think my heart will take such a drastic change in tactic.

24 Jul 2018 15:36:41
Shots at goal next season disgusting what next playing a lb at lb. Before we make any judgments we should wait to see what happens from now till the 1st game I'm sure Silva is working with the players on the pitch and Brands is working 24/ 7 on targets we need.

24 Jul 2018 16:05:22
Toffee ace great post that mate. Couldn’t agree more with your post!

Also to add to that with the departure of Big Sam. Hopefully a lot of the negativity around goodison will have gone.

Should see us playing high press quick turn around football which we all enjoy.

Everton the gear.

24 Jul 2018 16:35:29
Lee1878 my question to the eds (generally) a couple of weeks ago but not fully answered (I understand none of us can be certain) , was along your lines. Who is the lead negotiator on Everton's behalf.

24 Jul 2018 17:18:12
Pav you're insane.

24 Jul 2018 18:12:48
Pavillion you talk a lot of sense, we will do well to finish 10th.

{Ed025's Note - just enjoy the ride guys and dont set targets, we are a team who are re-building and its a guess as to where we will finish, higher? lower? who knows but if im entertained i can live with either mate..

24 Jul 2018 18:27:37
I am quite worried with the defence we have at the moment as age and inexperience seems to be in abundance with this lot - Mori was not everyones cup of tea but with game time from his injuries he was a good sub to have ( he did play last season for about 100 mins I think )

The likes of Klassen can be sold as plenty of midfielders within the squad but defence has been shaky for quite a while now .

I don't think I could stick 3-3 every week - the nerves would be shot lol.

24 Jul 2018 19:03:25
If I can offer one crum of comfort, Kendall’s magnificent 7 ended with the goalkeeper being the one who went on to great things just a few more years down the line.

Fast forward and again we have Pickford as the pick of the bunch, anything is possible, we got laughed at with Kendall’s first batch of signings, we got laughed at with similar last season, could history repeat itself, you just never know.

{Ed025's Note - you really dont bignev..

24 Jul 2018 19:39:34
Start worrying if we have the same defence at the start of the season, I very much doubt we will have.
We've just wrapped up a signing in less than a week so I'm sure we can get some in fast now.

25 Jul 2018 05:49:14
I wish all the doubters would at least wait until we've played a few games Just give them a break and let's see how they do. I don't understand why people have to want to be negative all the time instead of wishing for what we all want - a successful Everton

COYB NSNO.

25 Jul 2018 11:17:28
As a Liverpool fan you are overpaying for him (as we have for players) BUT if you get that potential out of him he’s surely going to be worth it. Plus if you do sell him on after a few good seasons you’ll be getting way more than the £50 million paid.

24 Jul 2018 11:03:04
. Usmanov looking at selling his shares in Arsenal ball Club! (Source: Sky News)

24 Jul 2018 12:50:37
Yea I see it’s popped up again too be honest I always thought he would join Moshiri at some stage in the long term and I do think while Moshiri is a wealthy guy I don’t think he has enough to do this project without some serious finance any From another source my take on it is this was all part of the deal Moshiri would come in to lay down the foundations and stadium plans then few years down the line Usmanov will come in taking full control with Moshiri joint ownership, I still think this will happen, we should be seeing major announcements if the time time of stadium build are to go by.

{Ed002's Note - You still think that money can simply be thrown at the club with no consequences?}

24 Jul 2018 13:28:07
Ed002, I won’t pretend to know anything about the financial side of things, but have you heard of any frustration growing to the extent that Usmanov would resort to selling his share of Arsenal?

{Ed002's Note - He has resisted selling in the past whilst he has tried to buy the club outright - p[erhaps he has realised that won't happen.}

24 Jul 2018 14:16:51
Thanks Ed002.

24 Jul 2018 17:21:40
Doesn't seem to stop man city.

They just pay the fine and then go ahead and splurge anothe 250 mil.

So in that sense, yeah. When you're that rich, who cares for a 30 mil fine every 12 months? It's like buying a bang average player.

Yes I'm fighting glib with glib.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - you don't understand so perhaps not commenting would be better.}

24 Jul 2018 18:14:57
You are right on this one I am sure Ed but you could let him down more gently.

24 Jul 2018 19:16:16
I believe Man City have a number of high value revenue streams into the club to do with sponsorship and assets owned by the holding company. Add to that they have a far bigger global fan base than we do. If that is the case (the Eds will be able to confirm) then they bring in a huge amount of revenue that helps to balance their massive spending.

24 Jul 2018 19:32:47
I see ed002 is back to his usual self lol. Good customer relations. We are all entitled to our views eds. Perhaps you could have a little more respect to those who pluck up the courage to post.

24 Jul 2018 19:32:47
I see ed002 is back to his usual self lol. Good customer relations. We are all entitled to our views eds. Perhaps you could have a little more respect to those who pluck up the courage to post.

24 Jul 2018 19:48:24
From what I read of Usmanov, he is passionate about arsenal and wants to take control and grow the club. Not by cheating FFP and paying fines but by passion and hard work and using his business knkwledge, growing the revenue so more can be invested on the top players.
Passion I see in Moshiri, but boy would I like 2 owners who are as passionate and as savvy as them 2.

24 Jul 2018 19:39:36
So ok let's say the Saudis bought City and with their huge wealth created a brand that had grown huge revenue streams and thus UEFA refunded them 33 mil in fines (embarrassingly) and we have a very rich Man City. One that can spend 250 mil in a summer without any issues with ffp. City were very much smaller than us and only had a stadium that sweetened the deal right? I also believe Bill turned em down? Doh!

So why wouldn't a combo of Usminov and Farhad be able to achieve the same? So where am I wrong? Following the context I can't see where you can say I don't understand.
I did give the caveat of claiming my response was glib.

If 2 billionaires were happy to spend said sums on the club, they would surely be aware that further streams are required to justify their outlays? should be relatively simple for 2 successful business men right?

{Ed002's Note - Everton have to complete my with FFP, like all other clubs, including Manchester City.}

24 Jul 2018 19:52:51
With regard to spending money - is it purely assessed against money spent on players, or does investment off the pitch count to where FFP is concerned? Hypothetically- say Mr Usmanov was to invest in Everton and building a new ground, then uses USM as sponsors for the ground for a higher than normal amount; thus creating a lucrative income stream - would that breach FFP rules?

{Ed002's Note - FFP excludes certain costs, such as infrastructure including building a new ground. However, trying to find away around the rules has significant pitfalls and is potentially illegal if not accounted for properly. There has been a lot of discussion between those "elite" sides that meet to try and agree a cap for counting sponsorship in respect of FFP. If agreement can be reached UEFA would accept the figure as concensus agreement from the clubs, else they will look to impose a figure. No agreement has been reached after it being discussed on at least three occasions as I recall. There is a further meeting at the end of August in Monte Carlo but it is not on the agenda right now, but it could be raised again. Wage calculations exclude addition income from sponsorship in such cases already. It is likely that a figure will be agreed, the last statement that was prepared stated "regardless of the amount of sponsorship a club obtains, only the first €115M will be allowable for the purposes of the FFP calculation" was rejected by 3 of the 21 sides.}

25 Jul 2018 11:11:22
money can't be thrown at a club without consequences, so what is it about PSG that is different? they spent £365 million on 2 players and don't seem to have had any problems any idea why that would be?

25 Jul 2018 12:08:03
Thanks for the reply Ed. Great insight.

{Ed002's Note - Answering the previous question. PSG did not spend that money in the same Financial Year.}

25 Jul 2018 23:40:24
Thanks Ed002 I was under the impression it was counted over 2 years but I probably read it on a dodgy news site and I suppose PSG would have made player sales too to offset it anyway. It's all too confusing and in the end not really going to affect the performance on a Saturday.

24 Jul 2018 09:59:31
Just an observation. Sam allardyce quoted as saying that "Everton fans don't want potential". my first reaction to that is what utter trash. imo Everton fans (in the main do) . if we consider lookman, Davis, Kenny, vilasic, beningamie, holgate, dcl ( in the current crop) most fans want these lads to be given a chance. but it feels that some of these lads weren't given a fair crack. namely vilasic and lookman (imo) . and indeed big Sam did them no favours. so he should look a little closer to home. Everton fans don't expect players with potential to play for 90 mins, every game, but we would like to see them get a run out for 25-30 mins as a sub, or get the odd start. especially when the team seem lacking in a particular area, in a particular game. which I saw a lot of last season. look at what lookman did in Germany. did liepzig get it wrong? Comments like allardyces create the wrong impression.

If he is trying to say that Everton fans are impatient. then yes to a certain extent we are. and there have been times at goodison over last 3-4 years were some quarters were toxic. but that's shear frustration. built upon being a league winning and trophy winning side of yerteryear only to feel left stagnating. maybe fans have gone about some things a little wrong, but they/ we need to be given time to learn, grow and adjust and manage expectations also during this new dynasty. just like the club and players do. let's not forget Everton fans have been loyal for many years. always spending their hard earned money, filling goodison park even in poor poor seasons. in my opinion best fans in the world. media should consider this when spouting cack.

24 Jul 2018 10:46:07
I follow you clearly. Just an alternative considering I am no fan of Sam.
He came in when we were a mess.
We knew what we were getting (A relegation stopper who plays boring football)
We are impatient but I look to the top on why we failed (No Kaku replacement) (Slow number 10's) (Buying for the sake of it)
Lookman was already gone when Sam arrived.
Who did he actually buy? (Tosun maybe who has not been that bad.

It sounds like I am a lover of his and I am not, but we all thought great year coming up and we failed. 8th position with what we had and our position before he arrived is not an epic fail.

{Ed001's Note - Lookman wasn't gone and he bought no one, Tosun was not his choice, hence why he denigrated him constantly.}

24 Jul 2018 11:09:18
I agree smeggs. when he came we were in a mess. had unsworth turned a corner? well it's purely speculation but I think he had. However, lookman didn't go until January and beningamie and vilasic who had been given game time by unsworth, got none under Sam. so regarding using players with potential. Sam didn't, despite the fans wanting it (certainly based upon conversations with my buddies) . For him to then say the fans don't want potential is some what bizarre. fans didn't want lookman to go but he allowed him to. I think my main point is that the fans do want young lads to be given a chance. at the same time they were/ are craving progression/ success and understandably have maybe gotten a little carried away since moshiri came in. now I sense that there is a little more realism and patience. as I said we (the fans) need to be afforded time/ patience to calm down and manage expectations. hopefully just like team under this new Mgmt.

24 Jul 2018 11:10:55
Ed001, what’s your view on Silva? A good fit for Everton or something else? Would you say that it’s a better appointment due to the recruitment strength that Brands brings? My concern is the amount of clubs he’s had at the age of 40, but then he has improved every one of them in the short time he’s been there.

{Ed001's Note - it is hard to say, as he does not stay long enough to really show what he is capable of. I do have worries about how disorganised the defences are of the teams he manages. Long term that will be an issue. A lot will depend on whether the lack of fitness at Watford was down to his training methods or is just a Watford problem, as they always suffer with a lack of fitness for their players. Which is why they always fade away after a good start. I would hope that is not going to be a problem at Everton. But we will only know when he has had time to settle in.

The recruitment side of things looks to be much improved over previous seasons and that is key. He needs to have the right players, not just good players but good players that fit his system and style of play. It looks like the club are doing a good job of bringing the right ones in.}

24 Jul 2018 11:55:45
Cheers Ed001. Ultimately if he can stay a while and keep improving the team then he will hopefully change people’s perceptions. No one really criticises his coaching for good reason, so add some stability with a few years at the club and all going well we could have a quality set up going into a new stadium. If Carling did EFC.

24 Jul 2018 12:08:44
Agree with all of that. it's going to be an interesting few weeks in the short term. but they could form the basis of a very interesting few years.

24 Jul 2018 12:10:17
Agree Silva is a good up and coming Coach and the advantage at our Club is it seems at last we have the underlying structure (DoF plus! ) to support him, I look forward with hope to the potential he brings. Looking at his History he has done well at his European Clubs, but he most certainly has not improved the Clubs he has been at in the Premiership, (Hull relegated and Watford fell off) . The recruitment of Richarlison and the fee paid does seem an awful lot and as before stated by me and others there has to be a Silva premium in there somewhere. We shall see what we shall see. I am ever hopeful as I am every season.

24 Jul 2018 12:08:44
Agree with all of that. it's going to be an interesting few weeks in the short term. but they could form the basis of a very interesting few years.

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it will be a few years. Five jobs in three or four years.}

24 Jul 2018 12:10:17
Agree Silva is a good up and coming Coach and the advantage at our Club is it seems at last we have the underlying structure (DoF plus! ) to support him, I look forward with hope to the potential he brings. Looking at his History he has done well at his European Clubs, but he most certainly has not improved the Clubs he has been at in the Premiership, (Hull relegated and Watford fell off) . The recruitment of Richarlison and the fee paid does seem an awful lot and as before stated by me and others there has to be a Silva premium in there somewhere. We shall see what we shall see. I am ever hopeful as I am every season.

24 Jul 2018 12:34:25
I think he did improve both English clubs. Hull were dead and buried when he took over, they were eventually relegated but not before they put up a massive fight that was nowhere to be seen under Phelan. And Watford were fighting for Europe until we did all but sign him.

Let’s face it, if he wasn’t improving them then why turn down our compensation offer of £10m.

24 Jul 2018 12:09:10
Really good reply that ed, thanks.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

24 Jul 2018 12:47:53
Toffee ace, hmmm, I contend with the Richarlison Transfer, Watford have got their 10 Mill compensation (and then some) .

24 Jul 2018 12:55:50
Toffee ace. your right re: hull and Watford. and I think the fans and the board need to be a little more patient. last year's manager merry-go-round. was not ideal to say least. I'm sure none of us want a repeat. So this a great opportunity for club and Silva and fans to wipe slate clean.

24 Jul 2018 13:34:24
Couldn’t agree more Jcl. And I need to work on patience more than most. I remember Moyes first few yo-yo seasons. They stressed me out no end 😂

Ktf, I’m not one for conspiracies but have to admit there is definitely some Ego tax being applied there 👍.

24 Jul 2018 13:58:19
Have to admire Silva, he wants Richalison, knows he fits his systems and style of play so has gone out and got him.
It's that approach we need from a DOF and coach.
If he can do that with 3 or 4 more it will be impossible not to improve on last season.

23 Jul 2018 22:20:58
Wow is that Steve Walsh doing the lotto advert.

24 Jul 2018 06:24:27
His three friends must be big Sam, little Sammy and Craig.