Everton Banter Archive February 24 2013

 

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24 Feb 2013 22:32:54
I think felli has it in his head now about going to chelsea, in my opinion this might not be a bad think as long as we play it smart and demand lukaku is part of the deal. I 100% agree with bailey about wingers and 2 up top we look so slow at times. I would like to see us move for james mccarthy at wigan this guy is going to be a super player and only 22 also i'd take scott sinclair from city they paid 6 mil for him youd probably get him for half that now. Your midfield and attack would look something like this:
sinclair, mccarthy, gibson, mirrallas
lukaku, jelavic
Personally I think this would give us pace and power.
bluepaddy.

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25 Feb 2013 09:31:52
If he wants to go to chelsea swap him for lukaku and victor moses, problem is if they pay cash how much would be reinvested with our board, or if the bank wants it share this way we get 2 good young quick football players.
Ste c

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24 Feb 2013 22:12:53
laudrup 1 season carling cup
moyes 11 seasons zilch
says it all really as long as were ticking along then the fans will be happy enough noooooot

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24 Feb 2013 22:00:38
Hi all, For all the flack that Coleman received he was absolutely outstanding yesterday in attack and defence, created lots of chances in attack and was superb at the back coming across covering Distin and Jagielka on more than 1 occasion as well as getting some great blocks and tackles in. He was full of life and energy. Something that a lot of our players have been lacking of late. Like me who knocked Coleman on occasions this season I unlike some people on here will give credit when its deserved and he deserves lots for his performance yesterday, and considering it was his first game back for a few weeks.

Dero. {Ed025's Note - fair point dero..

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I agree I've also been unconvinced by him - but he was one of our best players on saturday - and mostly because he actually looked bothered about trying to get us a win - like Fellaini he's got his eyes on his own career - instead of putting his feet up like Ossie and Pienaar - not doing the yards

I would love to see some opta stats on the amount of yards our guys covered on Saturday because half of em looked like they never got out of second gear

we are so pedestrian its untrue - without pienaar and baines creating openings on the left we have no ideas when we get to the final third - so the ball just gets passed around slowly

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He was in flying form before his injury aswell good player really gives 100per cent

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24 Feb 2013 21:41:19
Have a feeling moyes will stay wiv us"

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At this rate no one else will have him - and I don't think we will want him for much longer

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24 Feb 2013 21:36:34
mr negative moyes should really be put on the spot about his comments!he, s using our club now! and showing no respect whatsoever to us loyal supporters who have stuck with him for the last decade!a few half decent times, but mostly boring survival tactics!do us all a favour davey! don't take us for fools we don't deserve your stupid mind games! we will always everton and if and when you go the new manager will hopefully be attack minded and let our players loose for 90 minutes and not shut up shop as soon as we go ahead!we are the peoples club mr smug! not the fools club! E. T. I. D!

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24 Feb 2013 21:22:23
Moyes is probably difficult to live with at the moment, his wife probably happy to see him head out for the city game. He is clearly unhappy with himself, not anticipating the strong reaction to his " maybe, maybe not" attitude over a contract. But whether he stays or not, and I�d still rather he stayed, he should change his attitude at press conferences. he is a pain for the press lads who ask normal questions. Reacts in a surly manner nearly all the time these days. He said coming into this season he needed som, which does not do his image or the club�s any good. Perhaps he can't go much further without a real financial boost. but for sure, it seems that everything about Everton at the moment is a bit tired and overstretched. nothing a couple of back to back wins would not change. but we have the look of a side who don't fully believe we can see off all comers and when that infects your home form, there are red light signs. I think Moyse is so desperate to get the top four spot that the thought of not quite making it has hit him hard, and the pressure is showing. he is continuously justifying himself with comments like: "if you ask people in the game, 6th is about as good as Everton could expect. " Maybe so, but it sounds like a continuous excuse for not winning anything in 10 years. Other clubs with not much more or less in the kitty have picked up silverware. So, come on Moysey, dust yourself down, stop brooding, you are in a top job, with the most ardent fans in the game. Be a bit more creative with what you have and see where it can take you. {Ed025's Note - cracking post that mate.. i agree with it all..

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24 Feb 2013 21:03:35
Don't think moyes hasn't signd contract because he's seein what position were in at the endov season I think it's because he's not got 1 2 sign think the board mite b thinkin it's time 4 a change. Bluejack

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24 Feb 2013 20:44:38
Another rumour from him again. Mr fellaini. If I was moyes drop him and play someone who is up for the club. Get shut that's all I say

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24 Feb 2013 17:52:30
Absolutely awful performance yesterday - long way to travel to watch quite q few players not putting in same level of effort as the fans

Ossie just strolls around in midfield not making himself available for a pass - same as Gibson sometimes - those centre mids have to be on the move ALL the time - that's where our main problem lies - midfielders not busting a gut for 90 mins

Pienaar has turned into a lightweight with no skill and no commitment

Nay smith does absolutely nothing of any use with the ball - watch him

Defence can't defend crosses

And one other thing why the fk don't we leave one man upfield when we are defending corners - like our fastest runner - whoever that is - so that a defender can releave pressure with a long clearance and possibly create a chance and or at least force them to keep two men back on the half way line

So many obvious. Things not being done well or even half well that it looks like something is wrong big time at the club

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Said about corners for ages put peanuts up, only once has anyone stayed up it was against s'land or spurs and in 90+minute jela felli and vellios were all up, also I don't see commitment from moyes we don't use subs and play depressing football

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24 Feb 2013 20:19:28
If moyes does part company with us in the summer as predicted by all you wannabe mystic megs out there can the next manager please be an ex striker with more forward thinking ideas, i'm just bored of the too defensive too scared to lose style of playing. Oh for two wingers bombing & dribbling down the flanks and putting in a teasing cross for the in rushing FORWARDS yes plural DM "bang get in" Well I can dream. bluebailey.

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24 Feb 2013 18:57:34
Top 4 is out of the question now, ao my opinion is we have 3 very important matches now. Two we should win, which are oldham, then wigan at home in the cup. Then its all about the semis, if we win that one match we are in the final, and we will probably be in it against man u chelsea or man city which means euro footy next year. If we win it happy days, but euro footy none the less

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The OP makes an interesting point. To take it further, consider this. The FA Cup semi finals are scheduled for the weekend of April 13th/14th. Let's say that we get to the final and will be playing one of ManUtd, ManCity, or Chelsea. Just like the OP states, as those three are surely certain CL qualifiers - and that should be even more clear by then - we'll get into the Europa League whatever the result of the final. Here's the poser: DM should then be able to commit to a new contract. If he doesn't, then it's not European football that he's looking for at the end of the season, but something else - which can only be transfer funds from the club's board. Even with the Sky money - and the prospect of money from being in the Europa League - who expects our club to spend big without key players leaving first? So why is DM waiting? To avoid any adverse effect on he team for he rest of the season? Well that ship sailed a while ago. Unless BK gets investment PDQ, I can't see anything but a DM departure. And, as far as I'm now concerned, he and Everton need to part company so that each can get a fresh/clean start. If anyone has bothered to read his ramble, I'd appreciate reading their opinions.

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24 Feb 2013 17:47:12
I'm getting bored senseless with the same point from so many on here "We're 5th, we're 6th. if you'd said in August we'd be in that position, I'd have taken it. " Our performances of late have been simply woeful. If Moyes thought playing his guessing game would mean his players would start playing, he needs to put pen to paper or ship out. It's quite obviously having the opposite effect on the players and we seem to be going from a season showing so much promise to one I can't wait to end. How can we not beat Norwich over 2 games for pete's sake.

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Norwich fan here, in answer to your question, its very simple, we have players who never give up Kamara and Holt cost us nothing compared to what Moyes has spent on your players, Moyers complained about the 20seconds of extra time above the 3 minutes, Well please don't blame Norwich or the Ref but look at the time wasting done by Howard, he is the culprit, Good luck for the rest of the season, hope you manage to finish above Liverpool

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24 Feb 2013 17:07:53
Mr Moyes at city game today, apparently giving out his CV to both clubs. Sadly as he's won bugger all they were respectfully declined. Get your head back in gear Dave you will never manage a better club than this my friend.

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24 Feb 2013 16:20:19
ok the performance was poor but for people to start talkin about relegation come on let's live in the real world. we are 6th in the table, recon moyes will play mirrales from the start on tuesday real attackin football not makin the same mistake as last time also I for one was just glad that we did, t sell anyone in jan if you had told me that we would be in this position at the start of the season then I would of bit there hands off think we have lost the race for 4th but europa league will do and really think we are in with a shout in the FA cup so no more doom and gloom get behind the team and let's finish strong for the last games of the season as a unit showing people outside the club just why evertonians are so special we are a real football club supported and run by real football people in a world were football has become just buiness the passion is still there to be seen all around the world everton team of the people you don't choose to be a blue the blue blood runs through your veins when your born, never easy path but one I would walk everyday of the week.
Taz 1878

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24 Feb 2013 14:54:26
All the disquiet about DM's future - allied to the words "if you know your history" in our song - made me recall events from many years ago. When Harry Catterick was to be replaced (around 1973 or 1974), Don Revie was lined up to leave Leeds and take over at Everton on a massive (for then) salary. However, the government's prices and incomes policy wouldn't allow Everton to offer such a big increase in the manager's salary - even though it was for a different individual - and Revie turned the job down. Not surprising IMHO, as he proved his mercenary character by later walking out on the England job for a job in the Middle East. I wonder how we would have done if he had managed Everton in the mid-1970s instead of our actual managers, Billy Bingham and Gordon Lee. Around the same time, many of our fans were clamouring for Brian Clough to take over, but that was never going to happen - our board wasn't likely to let a wild card like him take control of the club from them, which he surely would have given his track record (transfer spending in particular) at Derby County, etc. I wonder how we would have done with him at the helm?

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24 Feb 2013 14:17:15
I don't know if DM's demeanour is down to Scottish dourness or measured self-restraint when there's so much hype and emotion surrounding the game (especially in the media and on fans' websites), but of late he's appeared particularly frustrated, brooding, distracted and estranged from the club. It's like he's just going through the motions - a veneer of professionalism remains - but he seems like someone resigned (no pun intended) to being a manager whose club is praised for "punching above its weight", but will never have the wherewithal to really challenge for - and win - the major trophies. I have supported BK and DM, but IMHO they've had their day as a double-act at the head of our club. One, or maybe both, needs to go so that whoever is left is reinvigorated by a new personality.

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Moyes has gone from last week in January full of optimism to within a couple of weeks later, frustrated and a lack of any real passion,. he has been let down by kenwright and board, what other reason could there be,. even now 6 th in league and in fa cup we should be buzzing, buts it's that feeling of been let down again by a hopeless board

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24 Feb 2013 14:03:34
Our current first choice team (allowing for injuries and loss of form) appears to be:
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Distin Baines
Mirallas Gibson Osman Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
1) Which of these would you replace as a first team regular (not just as a short term replacement due to injury or loss of form) for the rest of this season and by which other current squad (or youth) Everton player?
2) Which current Everton players would you transfer out this summer?
3) Which players would you transfer in during he summer - either straight into the team or to add numbers to the squad?

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I'd get rid of
Howard : not good enough
Coleman : Useless
Osman : sick of seeing him just strolling around
Fellaini : for funds and he looks like he doesn't want to be here
Pienaar : has looked disinterested for months.
Jelavic : Turned into a right donkey.

Mike

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Forthright as always, Mike.
Who would you replace those players with considering our club's lack of funds - even allowing for fees raised by selling the likes of Fellaini.

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I'd go for

Ochoa £6m
Lovren £7m
Capoue £10m
Clasie £5m
Biglia £4m
Leo baptistao £5m

Mike

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Our squad needs some serious strengthening imo. We either need to sell Howard and get in a first choice (for example Michel Vorm) or bring in a younger option who will be 1st choice in 2014/15. I don't have any issue with Coleman or Jagielka, but we need a younger CB (for example Amorebieta on a free) to replace Sylvain, who although I think is good, is 35 now. Pray that Baines stays. We need a ball winning midfielder (ie Schneiderlin) and also a creative CAM (assuming Fellaini leaves) (ie. Sigurdsson). Hopefully Jelly will find form, but if not I would be more than happy with Negredo. I would also start Oviedo ahead of Pienaar in 2013/14, and ease Barkley into the first team.

Ins:
Vorm 7.5mil
Amorebieta Free
Schneiderlin 4mil
Sigurdsson 12 mil
(and Maybe Negredo 16mil if Jelly doesn't recapture early form)
Total: 23. 5 (+ Negredo 39. 5)

Outs:

Howard 3mil
Heitinga 4.5mil
Fellaini 26mil
Gueye 3mil

36. 5

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Mike has a point here. Recruiting foreign players is the way forward these days, not exactly stupidly priced all of those, could bring in 5 or 6 good talents from overseas just for the price that selfish lanky belgian costs

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Outs:-Fellaini £27m, Heitinga £3m, Jelavic £2m, Naismith £500k, Gueye £300k (£32.8m)
Ins:- Alvaro Negredo £15m, Etienne Capoue £10-12m, Dries Mertens £7m, Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe £4m, Amorebieta free, Denis Cheryshev- loan with option to buy (£36-38m) {Ed025's Note - jelavic at 2m..your having a laugh..

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I wasn't sure with Jelavic Ed, so how about £500k? That more reasonable?

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24 Feb 2013 13:28:42
Have I missed something?
When did we get relegated?
When did we go into administration?

I think people are reading too much into what Moyes has said and coming up with Negatives

C'mon, We're 6 point's off 4th, (Man city where 8 points behind last season, look where that got them. hmmm. )
We KEPT all our players in Jan.
We're in the FA cup.
We're above the others across the park.

We've had a blip, YES! "A Blip"

So please, I ask you, Get behind the team until the end of the season, when we're in the CL and holders of the FA cup.

Then please bring on the negativity.

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Very positive, but IMHO we need more money in order to make - and maintain - the next step up. I believe that without substantial external investment, or a modern stadium, or getting into the CL group stage, we cannot hope - let alone expect - to compete with those clubs that have all of the above. It would also be nice, I suggest, to be drawing capacity crowds by playing winning, attacking, exciting football and bringing through more of our young talent.

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24 Feb 2013 12:53:17
How fickle some supporters are! one guy has just said a vote of 56% want DM to stay but after one game its all going to change. I am totally gutted and down at our form over recent weeks and that we have blown our good start to the season and is looking dubious we will finish in top 6 now. I don't agree with supporters slagging off our manager for tactics and being negative first half of the season we played great football with most attempts on goal in Europe, yes we are all frustrated but I think the players need to take some responsibility here to many are not playing at the level they should be some might say it is down to the squad being unsettled due to DM contract situation is he staying or is he going? This I can understand the reason for supporters being aggravated and upset at the way DM has publicly come out which has caused all the uncertainty and unrest at our football club I think either DM or BK needs to come out now and make a statement to put to bed all the questions we all have either he wants to take one of the biggest clubs in britain to the next level (which we are not a million miles from) and show the loyalty and respect the club and fans deserve or come out and say he feels he has taken us as far as he believes he can and if he thinks things have gone stale and a fresh manager is what the CLUB needs. I personally think DM has unfinished business here (IMWT) If our manager has the correct backing by the board and can build a bigger squad with quality in depth which is needed to give players a rest for the duration of a season then I genuinely believe majority of blues would want nobody else than DM but if we continue in the financial state we are in under our current owners then maybe DM has lost belief and the hunger trying to compete every year fighting against teams with bigger budgets and the need to sell our star players. So over to you Moysie as the song goes one way or another, one thing for sure we need one direction.

Robbie

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David Moyes was extremely upbeat during December. I'd like to know what promises were made and broken during January.

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I personally don't think it's fickle to state that after yesterday's pathetic capitulation that people undecided, or sitting on the fence, as it were, wouldn't be swayed by this performance and the 6 weeks or so that preceded it. This was merely the final nail in what we've been seeing for the last few games. Utterly devoid of idea, tactically inept and reverting to a boring brand of football of yesteryear. Let's be honest here, we've been on the slide since the Southampton game maybe, and probably before. Moyes' dithering has no doubt had an adverse affect on the squad. I've loved Moyes' tenure as much as anyone else but recently it's been clear to me that the players are somewhat confused as to what is required of them and DM's reluctance to sign isn't helping at all. I don't think it's a knee-jerk reaction, this has been coming for some time and yesterday's result was in no doubt once we sat back and invited them on with only a one goal lead. It's so predictable under Moyes and that is what needs to be addressed and changes need to be made.

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24 Feb 2013 12:32:51
What's happening to our football club? How has it gone so wrong?

I have been one of David Moyes biggest fans over the past years, but recently I have become increasingly disappointed by the lack of respect he seems to show the club, and the fans. He is fooling no one when he rubbishes claims that his indecisive attitude towards his contract has not effected what's going on in the dressing room and ultimately, on the pitch.

Our worst run of form since the beginning of last season coincides with his 'let's wait and see' attitude, In interviews he comes across arrogant and pessimistic, he hardly ever smiles, and seems to want to pick a fight with anyone brave enough to question him. That surely must create a toxic atmosphere around the club. It would do in my place of work if that was the attitude of the boss. If it's his intention to hold the board to ransom, i. e. back me or I'm off, then it's back firing spectacularly. The fans have started to turn on him, and as fickle as we are, that usually spells the beginning of the end for any manager. My fear is that a situation will develop similar to what's going on at Arsenal were civil war has effectively broken out between the fans, and those divisions won't heal until Wenger has gone, too many fans have made up their minds he not the man for their club.

It's a shame, we seemed so close to breaking the top four which would have brought financial backing we desperately need, would have helped us keep our best players (who I'm sure will be putting themselves in the shop window in the coming weeks, and can you blame them?)

Moyes has forced himself into a corner and I believe he will leave at the end of the season, his mind will be made up by the increasing voice of the fans that have grown tired of his disrespect. I for one will wish him well, he has done wonders to get us in the position we are in today with the resources he's had. But I do think it's a shame it's come to this, a sad situation all of Davey's own making.

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24 Feb 2013 11:36:03
i posted on here about dour or five games ago regarding moyes not playing our best players when available altough he has don a fantastic job over the past 11 years this should not stop people asking questions of his tactics in games like this. yet again jelavic and mirallas not on the same pitch at the same time surely if were to have our best goal threat this needs to happen. yes all you short sighted fans will get on and say jealvic hasn't been scoring goal and I agree but the problem has been we have been playing as a team no where near the way we was at the end of last season and the beginning of this its shows that the amount of goals he scored with his first touch means the service he was getting was fantastic now you can count on one hand the amount of times in a game we get to the bye line and get balls into the box one yes baines and pienaar create most of our chances but surley having mirallas on gives us another option. yet again another player out of position yesterday naismith is just a squad player why he chose him over mirallas is unreal in my eyes we have such a small squad surely our team picks itself when all are fit but moyes seems to have his ''trusted'' favorites osman should be phased out in my opinion ok he scored but he does not bring enough to the team. howard
coleman jagielka distin baines
osman/oviedo fellaini gibson pienaar
mirallas/freerole
jelavic

surely this is the best we have at the minute so let's play them in those positions and actually look like we are going out to win a game instead of being so predictable with the same formation same players and the same substitutions made at 75/80 mins

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24 Feb 2013 11:34:24
Could DM be a manager best suited to a faltering club - like Everton were when he joined - and taking them as far as they could reasonably expect given their financial situation? Is he really someone for a club - in England or elsewhere - that is a regular CL qualifier and contender for league titles and other trophies?
At a lower level, there have been many managers who have done well and got clubs promoted, but didn't cut it once they reached the Premier League. DM's a cut above that, I'll grant, but would he really do well at the very highest level? Maybe, if he had more money to bring in and develop better players, he'd be able to play more progressive football. However, that has to be weighed up against too many examples during his time at Everton of poor tactics, player failings, a negative or over-cautious attitude, and frequent disappointment.

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The only consistently successful manager - in terms of building teams, bringing through young players, and winning trophies over a long period - in the Premier League has been (it pains me to say) SAF at ManUtd. Of course, he's had the financial backing to do this, but there are plenty of other clubs who've spent tens (hundreds) of millions without winning as much. I accept that he is pretty much disliked (often reviled - even hated) by other clubs' fans for his antics (e. g. referee baiting, watch tapping during added time, etc. ), but he's delivered success to his club. Interestingly, some time ago, he considered DM for his assistant - I wonder if DM now regrets not taking the position back then, as he might have taken over when SAF pondered retirement a few years ago. By the way, I'm an Everton fan of fifty years standing, but - even if you disagree with me - I'll continue trying to be realistic, honest, and un-bigoted when assessing matters. I know most posters on this website are similarly honest when expressing their views.

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24 Feb 2013 11:18:32
For all his "this is the people's club" comments and his hard work, I've always had the impression that DM treats the Everton manager's position as a job to be carried out with detached professionalism rather than something that's part of his life and soul. Football might be his life, but Everton clearly isn't. Fair enough - it's his livelihood after all - but we, the fans, have made a lifelong commitment to our club, that most of us couldn't explain, and we expect (demand?) an end to this uncertainty about him staying or going at the end of the season.

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Even Howard Kendall and Joe Royle (coincidentally the last two managers to win trophies for us and also former players who understood what being an Evertonian is about) moved on from managing Everton for professional reasons. HK tried his hand at Athletic Bilbao (partly due to he English clubs' European ban). HK (second time around) and JR left because the board wouldn't give backing for transfers. DM isn't so different in what he's believed to be contemplating, is he?

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Only difference being Everton won silverware when both Howard Kendall and Joe Royal managed the Blues.

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24 Feb 2013 10:56:15
Anyone else worried that Sam Allardyce will become our manager if DM leaves in the summer?

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Either him or Mark Hughes.

Mike

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I think it's time for DM to move on, but not to be replaced by Sam Allardyce - not least because Allardyce is a mate of SAF and would have Everton roll over against ManUtd just like Moyes has done most times against the so called bigger clubs - and Big (aka Fat) Sam would have us paying hoofball.

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Yes I seriously am
Joe EFC

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24 Feb 2013 10:53:44
Not going to slag DM after yesterday's game, I wasn't there so that not fair! However listening to a web site they (very unusually) blamed him for the defeat stating that when KM was put on Fel didn't appear to understand what position he was supposed to be playing?
I just retired from work and I was in the last place for 15 years. far too long, you become stale resistant to change and stick to what you know you are good at, prefering the safety zone You lose that buzz you get from a new job where you can introduce new ideas and have to be a 'risk taker'.
DM has done a very good job for EFC but in all honesty I believe the time has come for him and the club to move on-and I think both he and BK know that.

Mushroom Man

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24 Feb 2013 10:38:50
so felli still has a burning desire to join Chelsea (sunday people). I suggest he starts pulling his finger out and look interested instead of the half ars. d performances he's been putting in of late if he wants a move to anyone never mind Chelsea. He for one should show us a bit more respect, we took a chance with him bringing him over from Belgium for a record transfer fee when nobody else would take the chance. So he and everyone else in the team including the manager are going to have to perform to a higher level than they have been for 1/ felli to get the move he wants and prove he's worth the x amount anyone pays for him. 2/To keep fighting till the end to make sure our season doesn't end in a whimper, and with a bit of luck along the way the possibility of a piece of silverware at the end of it. Over to you boys. {Ed025's Note - i agree jimmy..he needs to pull his socks up, as do some of the others!..i know the moyes situation is not helping, but these are professionals..and its about bloody time they acted like ones!!

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24 Feb 2013 10:16:48
It is a very sad situation with Moyes at the moment, and I personally think his relationship with BK might be somewhat fractured. I could be wrong. After the debacle of the January transfer, Moyes has not been the same. (Demeaner, comments) I also believe (and god I hope I am wrong) that in the next two years we could be fighting relegation. I say this 1. Moyes will be gone 2. Good players will leave and 3. Bill Kenwright will not sell. For this club to move forward he must sell this club. If he does not sell (and I find it hard to believe that no-one wants to buy us) (Maybe I am looking through my Royal Blue Glasses) he may fall on his Everton Sword and get us relegated. I am praying for a miracle everyday that we get our financial saviour who looks after the future of this great club. {Ed025's Note - we all are aussie mate..

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This club was here before Moyes, and will be here long after Moyes goes.

No one is bigger than the club, we have been in much, much more dire situations before and we have gotten out of it alright.

We may lose Moyes and Fellaini in the summer, but we will be nicely reimbursed by selling Fellaini and potentially give our new manager, whoever it may be, a nice starting point to begin his reign, which hopefully can get us some silverware!

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No silver and when felli is sold owners will take ALL

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24 Feb 2013 08:44:52
If Moyes is the man of integrity he try's to portray then he should not be in the dugout on Tuesday. "I will stay as long as the fans want me to" David Moyes.
Now he has already rubished that quote by saying he will sign depending on our results this season in the league and cup. Now he is about to show that it really was a silly quote to make as I'd say around 30-40% want him gone already. He has made a right mess of this contract negotiations and has upset, disrespected and belittled our club, from players to fans. Its FA cup or bust for him now. It's a shame 11 years of good service is ending in a very undignified way.

Svenny {Ed025's Note - thats what i dont want svenny..he has served the club well over the past 11 years, and on a shoestring budget has really done a great job, i would hate him to leave under a cloud mate..

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Ed, it would be a very short term cloud as in the long run he will be remembered as one of the best, he has worked wonders and I for one will always respect what he has done. I don't want him to go really but it seems like his one big mistake is the handling of this situation and I think it might spell the end
Svenny {Ed025's Note - this morning i hear we have made enquiries about cheryshev, and charlie austin..which suggests that he is staying svenny..

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According to an online poll with roughly 5,000 votes cast 56% want him to stay and 44% want him gone. This was before yesterday's game. I would imagine there will be more who want him gone after another inept display yesterday

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Why go after Cheryshev when, in all likelihood, he wouldn't get a game for 2 or 3 seasons apart from the odd 2-3 min cameo here and there. And if that's the case Ed (we've enquired about those 2) why the hell didn't we do it in the Jan window. It's turning in to a circus

Banana Balls

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24 Feb 2013 06:08:07
Maybe its time for us fans to let moysey know at the games chanting sign now or go as it is defo playing on the players minds as we can all see in are performences starting at oldham {Ed025's Note - lets not go down that road, it makes supporters look fickle, and will not help the team..

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23 Feb 2013 23:56:40
The squad is definitlely looking tired not
Geting some new players in jan is starting to look like its going to cost any chance of fourth we carnt start feeling sorry for ourselves as we now
Need a big big performance against Oldham we loose that one an I think the fans might start loosing faith with Moyes we need to try an freshen things up we need to see a bit more of the lads on the bench if there not good
Enough they shouldn't be at everton Oviedo Duffy veilos stones hitz it's time to
Start seeing if these lads can make a
Impact on games we must finish in the top six if not time for a major clear out
And a fresh input into the squd milliner
Lescott sessegion benteke Forster rose all good players we should be able to
Attract if the inevitable end of season sales happen let's hope our season isn't
Over by this time next week coyb

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And how are we meant to pay for them players with shirt buttons?

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Thats the thing assuming mirallas starts ahead of naysmith sadly at the moment we don't have those impact players that can come on and make a difference, gutted how things are going at the moment but ever the optimist i'm hoping we can get a couple of faces in this summer {Ed025's Note - if he does stay...im hearing cheryshev, and austin..

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Wow, there's a name to get us all excited, Charlie frickin Austin! Can you imagine the RS, Spuds, Arsenal or even Newcastle taking a second look at him? Alright, I'm aware we're not flush with coins but why not look abroad where the money you do have will, more often than not, go much further. But Charlie Austin, I hope this is a joke. If this is the extent of Moyes' ambitions for us then he can go now as far as I'm concerned. We've seen what's happened with lower league strikers in the past, not one has been successful in the long term. Go now Dave before you further damage players' careers. Absolutely disgraceful bloke, has he no shame?

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