Everton Banter Archive October 23 2017

 

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23 Oct 2017 22:51:14
Right we have 12 games left until 1st January and of those only Liverpool and Chelsea Finished above us last year so we have to target 8 out of those 12 being wins at the very least and I think that is achievable if players are played in their natural positions and we can find a manager who can connect with the players which is why I think Rhino would be great at least to steady the ship.

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23 Oct 2017 23:41:00
We still have a poor defence, that won't get sorted overnight.

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24 Oct 2017 00:10:34
No target man and a lack of a centre back might stop that ambition. But not impossible. If we don't get a run going we will find it tough to atract priority players.

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24 Oct 2017 08:53:53
Agree with ToffeeAl. Unsy will play them in their natural positions, he is also well respected at the Club. We will never know what went on behind the scenes and I take the view that a persons, personal life is also their own. RK was never going to move us on, as he just does not know what to do when things go against.

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24 Oct 2017 21:19:20
We play to our strength and that is what should have been going on from 1st game of the season, we don't have a target man so no point in playing to whip balls in, what we do have is pace in abundance and that scares defenders, a 3 pronged attack of DCL with Lookman and Vlasic either side will get us goals, yes the defence has been weak so let's play defenders who have a bit of pace so won't drop so deep, Holgate isn't a right/ left back and should be given a run next to Keane as they are the future of the club. Forget a back 3 as it doesn't work as we don't have natural wing backs, a flat back 4 is what we need and that's because we have the personnel for that. Sig needs a run in his actual position of number 10 before judging him, Williams needs to be kept away from both the starting 11 and bench, Schneiderlein needs to earn his place too and Gana and Davies IMO are ahead of him for that 1 holding role as we don't need 2 holding players. I am by no means the manager but we have players that if played in the correct system in the correct positions will get results, my formation would be a 4-1-2-3.
Lookman and Vlasic will give us that width, Sig behind DCL will offer support, Davies can be our box to box midfielder and Gana can sit and mop up in front of Keane and Holgate. My only problem is Right back as until Coleman is back we don't really have strength there, Kenny did alright against Arsenal so would go with him.
We have Bolasie, Coleman and Barkley to come back and hopefully to a side that is being managed properly by a competent manager. I haven't mentioned Rooney as I feel he is more a problem than a solution, what is his position? He comes too deep when he is supposedly playing up top so he can be utilised as a midfielder if needed, not as a striker.
I do feel Unsy has the support of the players and we will see a totally different performance at Chelsea tomorrow, the optimism is back due to the change on the bench, arrogance does not bring success as Ron has found out.
As for permanent manager, I have always stated Benitez as my choice and ain't going to change that, but, after listening to Rhino today he is Everton and that is what we need, so I hope he does well and shows that the U23's success can be replicated with the first team, he is one of us and that is always an excellent start.

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{Ed025's Note - very good post that gray and i agree with most of that mate..

23 Oct 2017 22:34:52
WAGNER for.

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24 Oct 2017 08:55:23
Never get Wagner, he has everything he wants at Huddersfield.

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23 Oct 2017 22:23:45
I can't believe i'm saying this- the only obvious candidate for me is Brendan Rodgers, he has done agreat job for Celtic and was within a slip of the title with the red half! Good football, well organised teams gets on well with fans!

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23 Oct 2017 23:01:30
Really? Come on, am not having that shout.

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23 Oct 2017 23:15:55
And club female secretary!

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23 Oct 2017 23:58:14
I have yet to hear a bettet suggestion today! Sean Dyche, not for me, Giggs is not proven,

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24 Oct 2017 00:01:39
Scotland's a one horse race man the easiest in on planet earth.

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24 Oct 2017 08:59:17
Brenda has found his level. Leave it at that. Dyche, Unsy for me. What we need now is stability and loyalty.

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23 Oct 2017 22:11:25
I just can't get excited about Dyche in the running for the job, his away record last season was terrible not only against the teams they were expected to lose against but against just about everyone.
This season they have been terrible at home against some average teams but better away from home.
I think if we want to hover around the top 7 to 10 Dyche is probably the man but we need to have more ambition than that.
Tuchel, Ancelotti or Benitez for me.

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23 Oct 2017 21:48:48
I wonder what ross Barkley
Make of this? To lil to l8?

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23 Oct 2017 22:13:43
If the rumours were true that he turned down Chelsea because Conte wouldn't take his call then I can see him going to Tottenham in January or signing for us again after the window.

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23 Oct 2017 22:32:38
i know many of you wouldn't like to see Barkley back but I certainly would its easy to say he turned down a good contract so he must want to get away from Everton but I would suggest it wasn't Everton he was unhappy with but some of the people in charge. He was offered over 100k a week to stay with the club he's supported all his life at a time of increased optimism around the club so it must have been something big to drive him away, maybe that reason is not part of the club any more.
I would welcome Barkley back to the first team squad and have him and Gylfi battle for the no 10 spot as I think they would push each other which can only be good for the team.

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23 Oct 2017 21:42:47
Just a change of topic guys, for 2mins.
This Wednesday at 12:30pm Eng u/ 17 play Brazil in the world cup semi-final.
Some will know we only have one Everton player in the squad, Lewis Gibson, but we have 2 Evertonians, the other one being my lad! ( And there room mates)
So if you can spare 90 mins Wednesday afternoon and you've got Eurosport, tune in because your support will be appreciated.
Cheers Gents.

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{Ed025's Note - love it codhead, good luck to the team and especially lewis and your lad mate..

24 Oct 2017 01:38:19
Good luck to your son mate, nice to see such a different post.

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23 Oct 2017 21:08:17
Sorry accidently clicked send.

As I was saying. If Rhino got the sack from the first team manager then we would lose him all together. And that wouldn't be good.

Not sure who will get the job or who would even consider it seeing the state we are in. Isnt' the usual play in this type of predicament, is to sign Big Sam or Redknapp.

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23 Oct 2017 21:41:37
Would the easiest solution nit be to give the job to unsy with the proviso that if it didn't work out he could just move back to u23 manager?

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{Ed025's Note - yes..

23 Oct 2017 21:03:35
I'm surprised the fitness and goal keeping coach's are going. I thought they were considered top of their game. Plus plus plus. Now is the perfect time to get rid of Ferguson. Brilliant as a player but as a heading the ball coach. It just doesn't work and it hasn't worked for pretty much all the time he's been here. Sorry Fergy. Your time to go to.

Rhino at the caretaker manager obviously but I don't want him to become official. And not because I think he lacks the experience. It's because he does a fantastic job with the U23's. Who will take his place. Plus if he gets the boot from.

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23 Oct 2017 19:37:01
Hey eds what do you think of Ran Gifts as assistant coach. Yeah I agree that he shouldn't be boss. But he is a marquee name who could attract good players, he still has a good reputation. For me I think Howe would be my preferred choice for the post. There is also another free agent who I like Laurent Blanc.
What do you think eds.
I would love to see Arteta as assistant.

COYB.

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{Ed025's Note - bloody predictive text, i dont want that sister-in-law boking united rat anywhere near our club emerald, howe is ok but at a small club, arteta has very little experience but blanc is not a bad shout emerald..

23 Oct 2017 21:28:51
Cant believe anyone would seriously even consider ryan giggs at our club in any role.
I believe dyche and Howie would represent a massive leap of faith and sometimes a club suits a manager ie moyes and us.
Too many people blow smoke up their arses after a couple of ok seasons.
You have to remember there is NO expectations from their respective clubs orher than survival.
At Everton we EXPECT results.
I don't think Koeman realised this and probably thought we were like Southampton.
We need someone who thinks big and doesn't talk about "expected losses" or "Impossible to pull a goal back with 10 men"
We want and need a winner!

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{Ed025's Note - koeman and the titanic have a lot in common pauly...neither of them should have left southampton..

23 Oct 2017 20:43:23
I mentioned Sean Dyche 18 months ago when Martinez left and got ridiculed. It shows how times have changed. We would love to have Burnley's security right now.

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24 Oct 2017 10:11:48
Burnleys security? is that all you think of us ahaha its nine games in we are not in a relegation dog fight yet, moshiri got rid before that was the case? if we are supposedly in trouble then so are the team across the park as only 5 points separate us?

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23 Oct 2017 20:26:13
Might not be everyone's choice but what about thomas tuchel the ex Dortmund manager until the summer see how he goes. just a thought.

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23 Oct 2017 21:16:39
Good choice Kev mate that be mine as well.

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23 Oct 2017 21:24:12
My ex boss in Germany is an Evertonian from merseyside and watches the Bundesliga each week. He raves about this guy.

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23 Oct 2017 19:42:33
How about Joe royal till the end of season just to steady the ship till we find the right one if there is one out there.

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23 Oct 2017 19:20:44
People are saying they don't want rhino as he hasn't managed before at this level but how much experience did pep have before he got Barcelona job? How bout cruyff before Ajax? Or Dalglish before took Liverpool Job? All went on to win major honours he has earned his shot with the hard work he has done with the kids just my opinion like but I think it's his to lose.

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23 Oct 2017 19:11:26
It seems that we need a new manager who can do three things:
(1) Between now and January just organise the team so that we can get some decent results and some confidence back; then
(2) Use the January transfer window to bring in the players we need to fill the obvious gaps in the current squad; then
(3) Take the rest of the season to give the team a structure and a way of playing (an identity) that not only gets the results, but also gives the fans the football we crave.

If there is one person out there who can do ALL of that, then I will be very happy; I just don't know (does anyone? ) with any relative certainty who that person might be - I just hope that our board does and they appoint that person as manager.

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23 Oct 2017 19:24:49
Hi Bobby I think they do know who they want and would have had discussions already mate, to give them credit here they have acted quickly on this.

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23 Oct 2017 20:07:13
Sounds like anchaloti.

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23 Oct 2017 19:11:06
Hi Ed just watching the Peter Reid interview tonight, how I wish we could roll back the clock mate, if only we had that type of player at Everton now, what a true legend he is.

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23 Oct 2017 19:23:38
I was saying the same thing to my lad on the way back to the car yesterday GB. After watching the game yesterday one thing I thought we were really missing was a midfield general. Not necessarily a captain but someone who will shout, and fire up the other players. Also someone who is protective and will have 'a quiet word' with the likes of Sanchez who practically referred the game yesterday.

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23 Oct 2017 20:29:33
Your right there Rhapsody mate he only needed a whistle, what a con merchant not in the same league as Reidy.

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23 Oct 2017 21:42:13
Very few on the modern game are in the same league as Reidy GB, Reidy was a player who gave everything he had for our club and for me was one of Kendal's most inspired signings. Who can forget the semi final against Bayern Munich when he suffered that horrendous gash to his shin but just stuffed a sponge down his sock and got on with it. Can you imagine him and Tim Cahill in the same midfield? I wouldn't want to upset those two.

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23 Oct 2017 18:55:49
Hi Ed 025 with the sacking of R K, what will happen to Steve Walsh do you reckon.

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{Ed025's Note - i think he will stay at the club GB, but thats just my opinion mate..

23 Oct 2017 19:01:18
Thanks Ed I see all of his backroom staff are being cleared out as well, busy time for us I reckon.

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23 Oct 2017 19:02:11
all should go but that's just my opinion mate.

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23 Oct 2017 19:11:09
Please don't get upset but that should include Ferguson, great player but?

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23 Oct 2017 19:15:03
same as that mate.

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23 Oct 2017 19:45:46
Just the ones that he bought in I assume.

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23 Oct 2017 19:56:29
Not get upset, not get upset. WTF has Ferguson done wrong! Logic dictates that Ferguson is partly responsible for Lukaku's development. I doubt very much if he has been able to have the one to one coaching with CL. All the people that knew Everton inside out were ignored by the Koeman clique.

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23 Oct 2017 20:38:07
Glad you said that Stig. Because I said Ferguson should go at the start of the season. He's been with us for so long and apart from last season our striking has always been crap. So I hope he goes too. Also I'm not convinced about this director of football business. I just don't get it. Does Walsh buy players and Koeman does with what he's given. Or does Koeman ask Walsh, he needs a striker and Walsh doesn't deliver anyway. Just crazy this director billshut.

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23 Oct 2017 20:47:35
Further to my post above I was agreeing to R K backroom not Duncan, another legend for me.

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23 Oct 2017 18:00:11
Next permanent Everton manager odds (Sky)
David Unsworth - 5/2
David Moyes - 4/1
Sam Allardyce - 8/1
Carlo Ancelotti - 8/1
Sean Dyche - 10/1
Chris Coleman - 10/1
Mikel Arteta - 12/1
Thomas Tuchel - 12/1
Rafael Benitez - 12/1
Who ye want.

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23 Oct 2017 18:14:49
Tuchel, Fonseca, Rafa or Dyche in that order.

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23 Oct 2017 18:19:20
Rafa an Dyche don't appeal to me.

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23 Oct 2017 18:22:56
Who ever we get will struggle with the expectations set by total unrealistic fans. If the next manager doesn't start winning then we he will be under pressure for the sack yet again. Good luck to whoever gets the poison chalice! Hopefully Unsworth can come in as a caretaker with little expectations other than steadying the ship and building confidence back up. Wouldn't like him to get the job full time just yet as I think it may be detrimental to his progression into management. Also wouldn't be surprised if the next manager plays the same players in the same positions as Koeman has either. COYB.

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23 Oct 2017 19:01:43
Very brave text mate . Expect some abuse of the mob later .

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23 Oct 2017 19:57:10
sa90 sort your head out and post productive posts not head in the sand posts, you made it clear Ron needed more time, suppose at the time you felt Martinez needed time, Walter Smith as well.
The team was his the ideas were his and as the saying goes you live and die by the sword, he fell on the sword with his poor tactics and starting lineups, add to that the isolation of certain players and that obviously didn't go down well as the dressing room was well and truly lost.
Out of interest what would you have done?

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23 Oct 2017 20:00:15
Not a brave text at all, more like an ill informed and immature text. The majority of fans had normal expectations raised indirectly by Koeman himself and the 2 year project statement. What I expect is Unsworth teaching the Team how to walk again starting from the back.

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23 Oct 2017 20:09:35
U don't know who it will be yet and your already being negative about it.

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23 Oct 2017 23:24:24
Dont forget mike walker.

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23 Oct 2017 17:51:34
What do you all reckon will happen with Ross now? . Was Koeman the main reason he wanted to leave?

I'm intrigued to see who comes in but please don't let it be bloody Dyche.

I don't think I could ever listen to any club interviews with him as manager lol. I just want to give him a glass of water and say clear your bloody throat!

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{Ed002's Note - Time has come for him to move on but I don't know if he will or not.}

23 Oct 2017 17:55:43
If you listen to Dyche I think he’s trying to set up a future career in stand up comedy 😳.

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23 Oct 2017 17:59:39
Ha ha as long as the players play with passion and proud of the blue shirt and he improves that defence Dyche good as anyone but would he want it as we in a terrible mess.

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{Ed025's Note - of course he would trebor..

23 Oct 2017 18:46:08
Think we need to stay clear of the gingers! Only messing don’t take offence. Marco Silva has to be the man for me if not I’d also try for the Hoffenheim manager not sure on his name.

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23 Oct 2017 20:01:54
You tell him Southern Toffee, I will hold your coat! Is there an address in the pocket where we can send your remains?

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23 Oct 2017 17:37:26
This decision must have been expected of the results went as they have. I think to sack RK the club must have already got a grasp of their options. I wouldn't be surprised if a new gaffer is in within the next 2 weeks. Bills reaction yesterday said to me that Moshiri had told him he's out unless he wins. BILL is a nice guy and doesn't like swinging the axe. Of it was still Bills I reckon he would have waited until January.

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23 Oct 2017 18:21:19
You clearly don't know Bill lol, always remember you see the actor Bill, lol.

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23 Oct 2017 18:35:25
I see just fine. I've never watched Bill in anything. What are you talking about willis?

Bill let brown shoes off to 6 months. And Moyes had a couple of shake patches that Bill stayed away from. You're right, zero past history to justify me making those comments. Almost as if I pulled them out of where the sun don't shine.

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23 Oct 2017 18:48:39
Not getting at you mate, but you don't become a Millionaire being a nice guy, when you see his interviews that's acting, lol.

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23 Oct 2017 20:04:16
With 4 points the difference between us and Huddersfield in 11th. I reckon Moshri (and advisors) took a look at the table and commonsense prevailed before the gap widened greater.

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23 Oct 2017 17:28:24
Of all the names being touted for the job as Everton manager, that of Ryan Giggs is the most laughable.

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23 Oct 2017 17:40:21
I think that came from a joke tweet from that master of mirth, Jamie Carragher. Its the way he tells them.

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23 Oct 2017 17:46:46
Giggs has actually stated he's interested in both the Everton and Leicester jobs.
Unsworth and Ebbrell to take temporary charge.

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23 Oct 2017 17:58:14
I feel quite happy with Unsworth and Ebbrell in temporary charge mixed up with big Duncs passion!

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23 Oct 2017 18:17:11
After the service dunc has given us I would rather he be Unsworth number two just think he deserves it.

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23 Oct 2017 18:33:00
All RK staff should go mate, no dead wood left behind.

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23 Oct 2017 19:02:56
Martinez made dunc first team coach. Good man to have tbh. Hates media side so never going to be manager. Him and unsy and ebbrell as a team may just work.

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23 Oct 2017 17:23:21
Fantastic news today for all involved with the club and I also don't think it's too late to start pushing up the table. We won't be involved in a relegation battle if and when the right players are played in the right position. With Coleman, Bolasie, Mori and Barkley also on the way back from injury according to Yazz 'the only way is up'! Can I please ask Ed if you believe David Unsworth will be given the Caretaker roll for now? In my opinion I can see him doing a smashing job with the right staff along side him if he gets the chance on a full time basis. May be a slight gamble but who isn't going to be.

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{Ed025's Note - unsy seems the logical caretaker peter but im not sure, what we dont need is a moyes or an allardyce imo to make it a war of attrition or god forbid ryan bloody giggs mate..

23 Oct 2017 17:37:38
Ok thanks Ed. Unsworth, Dyche or Howe in that order for me mate but I usually get these appointments wrong. So happy the stubborn one’s gone though and that’s no dis respect. He lost it and got found out this season as we all know.

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{Ed025's Note - he did peter mate..

23 Oct 2017 17:20:58
We had martinez who was too soft and koeman who was too hard. We now need to find someone who has a balance of both and can put an arm round players when needed but also read them the riot act if needed.

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23 Oct 2017 18:08:41
Exactly Jeffjohno
Been on here last week discussing management skills and that Koeman lacked them . Yes what you say it vital in management but mainly look at the positives in people, knocking them achieves nothing .
Hate to say it but Bill Shankly was a master at doing this as was Ferguson, stuck up for his players, could be ruthless but fit everyone’s good and got the best out of the players
Perhaps Fergie was over the top with Becks with the boots ha ha but you get the drift!
In other words all the things simple as they are RK was not capable of doing.

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23 Oct 2017 17:17:24
Well ed25, it happened, I'm happy he's gone, though have little idea about a replacement. For me the club goes big. If it wasn't for his allegiances, I would go for benetiz. in fact he's probably be my pick the more I think about it. the guys been there and proven himself in my eyes. but can understand why that would not go down well. But other than him I think any premiere managers we could tempt are few and far between. People mentioned Wagner and dyche. whilst Wagner has impressed me with what he's achieved with Huddersfield, it's a first season, dyche done well but not proven to be a fwd thinking, dynamic manager. but hasn't had the talent available. Others mentioning Watford manager. haven't seen enough to comment. What are your thoughts?

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{Ed025's Note - marco silva at watford would do me fine jcl or tuchel both of who play good attacking football mate..

23 Oct 2017 17:35:39
Ed025: until we can bring in another striker (or two) in January, any new manager will struggle to get us winning. Anyhow, their first job would be to organise the team - espećially our shambolic defending.

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{Ed025's Note - very much so bobby..

23 Oct 2017 17:35:00
Would Silva b your choice ed due to his premium experience, would his English skills make u think twice?

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{Ed002's Note - I would not turn my nose up at Moyes but Chris Coleman would be my choice. If Burnley are open to a good offer they will be asked about Dyche.}

23 Oct 2017 19:06:54
. just stopped shivering. Moyes. in all sincerity I'd give up on football ed.

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23 Oct 2017 17:19:02
Tuchel and Ancelotti would probably not come and neither would be good for Everton. Please please please look for a manager who has a track record of doing what we need, i. e. getting a team into the top places in a good league over and above richer clubs: Nagelsmann, Gasperini, Fonseca, Favre. There is nobody working in this country who fits that bill. You'd have to worry about Marco Silva if he walked out of a club weeks after joining them, good manager though he is. Dyche has done a great job, but we need someone with more tactical nous. The other names being touted either have no experience of top level management at all or just do not have that track record. We got suckered with Martinez and again with Koeman because we didn't focus on this point. Nobody looked beyond the end of their nose and everyone was looking at the same old names, insisting on 'prem experience'. Look at the managers' actual CVs or it will happen again.

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{Ed002's Note - So you don't thonk listing potential mangers where at least one doesn't speak English a problem. You need to be realistic.}

23 Oct 2017 17:32:07
Point taken, Ed, but I believe a language is easier to learn than are the skills needed to be an excellent football manager and there are examples of managers who have been successful while learning a new language. I'm not saying any of these guys would come to Everton, but I think these are the types we should be going for rather than (a) even more unrealistic targets like Ancelotti and Tuchel or (b) managers who don't have a CV that demonstrates the qualities and skills we need.

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{Ed002's Note - I wonder how Sean Dyche would look in an Everton tracksuit?}

23 Oct 2017 17:52:11
I would be quite happy with Sean Dyche actually, Ed, but I would just like to see the club be more imaginative. I know we're not the most attractive club, but if Nice can get Favre and Leipzig can get Hasenhuttl, surely Everton can attract a very capable manager who could bring some longer-term vision to the club and get the team playing good football?

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{Ed025's Note - why not mate..

23 Oct 2017 18:10:39
The thing is, Ed, with the resources we've got, we should finish 7th. Who is in with a chance of getting us finishing higher than that? Coleman, Moyes, Allardyce, Howe - no. Benitez - no evidence to suggest he would. Dyche - possibly but doubt it. We need someone different to break that ceiling.

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{Ed002's Note - What resources are these? The £200M the Everton fans expect Mr Moshiri to be pouring in to each window?}

23 Oct 2017 18:44:22
Don't know why you guys on here are so dismissive of Dyche. People questioning his tactical ability. He's got some great results away from home already this season, and was giving City a game of it until a disputed penalty. I don't think people truly appreciate the job he's done at Burnley.

This is why English/ British managers struggle to get good jobs in the EPL - because people have a snobby view about their tactical acumen.

If he was called Dychez, and had just taken Sporting Gijon into a top half finish in La Liga, people would be salivating at the thought of getting him in, even over someone with extensive EPL experience.

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23 Oct 2017 17:07:36
Very glad he's gone, lots of opinions about who we bring in, but please, not Moyes.
He may be Kenwright's best mate, but the manner of his leaving, still leaves a bad taste in the mouth for many people, and whoever we bring in, has to be someone we can all get behind.

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23 Oct 2017 17:36:58
I doubt Moshiri would respond well to Bill's less than subtle suggestion of "I've got this mate, you may have heard of him. "
Surely he wouldn't trust the keys to his new home to someone who had already lived in it for 11 years, thought it was too small for him, piddled on it when he left to move in with his other best mate Alex and then tried to come back for the fittings because he felt they'd look better at his new gaff.
Seriously, Moshiri as a businessman first, will be looking for instant results and will invest in a manager with a strong, winning CV. One would hope, anyway!

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{Ed025's Note - i really enjoyed reading that mate...excellent..

23 Oct 2017 16:36:15
Anyone know how i an change my user name . Hahahaha.

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{Ed033's Note - register a new username

23 Oct 2017 17:04:54
And my Koeman you blues shirt LOL.

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23 Oct 2017 17:13:36
Might I suggest you change it to KingKendall? At least that way you honor a club legend and could even have a little side business in mint cake.

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23 Oct 2017 17:43:14
Glad he's gone better user name now haha. could never have the waiter he did show true hatred for us .

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23 Oct 2017 18:04:04
Looks good! New username really suits you. That'll be £5000 please, with a 10% sell on clause. 😀.

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23 Oct 2017 18:17:45
Not changing mine!

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23 Oct 2017 16:45:55
I think we do need someone who has a track record in saving teams from relegation because make no mistake we are in one!

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23 Oct 2017 17:04:39
Form will improve with some new ideas and actually playing the right players in the correct positions. Still 29 games to go in the season, so talk of actual relegation should wait until we see where we're at in January. Koeman was past the point of no return in getting a shift out of a very low confidence squad. Unsy will gee them up a bit at least, assuming he's in charge for the cup game on Wednesday, just like he got the squad into winning, confident shape against Norwich after Martinez was sacked. And that was with an arguably less talented squad. Not saying we'll beat Chelsea at the bridge, but at least Unsy would inspire them to flippin well try.

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23 Oct 2017 16:13:48
Give Rhino the interim post and see how the lads react to him. He's a blue and I'd like to think they would respond in a positive way. Ancellotti isn't the way forward IMO. The word out of Bayern was pedestrian. we don't need another pedestrian. Whoever comes in has gone one big problem. no proven strikers.

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23 Oct 2017 17:34:07
Yeah we don't want a multiple champions league winner.

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23 Oct 2017 18:13:07
Yep I remember the squads he had too to win those.
Look who he’s managed Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid and Bayern.
Sorry we’re not in the same universe when it comes to the last 20 years compared to those clubs and squads. His last 3 clubs he’s been around for 2-3 years max. We have a good crop of talent coming through and we need an identity with a trusted manager invested to our wonderful club for the long term. We all yearn for the 80’s revival but you need trusted people to achieve that. I think the board need to think very carefully about the next appointment and what that manager would bring in terms of a true commitment to the longer term project.

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23 Oct 2017 18:45:15
You to stop watchin those old 1980s EFC season reviews on VHS. The world's moved on (years ago) and we (as always) are one of the last to the party.
We will not appoint a manager for more than 3 years ever. No club does that because it's rare a rocking horse that any manager satisfies the board and fans that long.

This whole "he's a blue he knows what it means" is nonsense. 100s of clubs have put in an old boy to pander to the gullible but it's just a hiding to nothing every time.

We don't need some flag waver that was connected to the club. we need a big gun to drive this new big car. Who on the continent is going to sign for Unsworth over Carlo and co? We need a high calibre manager. Let's not become anymore of a joke please.

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23 Oct 2017 18:48:33
Ps Bayern (relatively) are on the slide and following Pep is always a struggle.
Carlo is free. Knows the Prem and is renowned throughout the world. Players like him. He knows how to win but unlike Koeman. He also knows how to spend money.

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23 Oct 2017 19:23:53
If you refer back to my initial post I said interim. We’ve got 6 winnable games coming up and we need someone initially who knows the club. Most clubs bring in their assistant manager for the several games prior to the longer term appointment and sometimes that gets a positive reaction. That’s what we need right now IMO to instil some confidence.
We should surely be striving for stability from the next appointment and not follow the circus that is one year management wonders or 3 appointments a season. That’ll work out well won’t it.
Dyche settled, Howe settled, Hughes settled, Pulis settled, Pochettino settled I could go on all keeping clubs in the prem and slowly developing a 5 year plan.

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23 Oct 2017 16:11:56
Ancelotti or Tuchel for me.

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23 Oct 2017 15:59:05
We need someone who has a proven record of winning trophies. NOT as a player, but as a manager.

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23 Oct 2017 16:15:05
Seen that Thomas tuchel is on sky's betting list. He could be a good appointment if he would come to us.

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23 Oct 2017 16:19:38
Mancini?

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23 Oct 2017 16:21:38
How about Brendon Rogers?

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23 Oct 2017 16:41:37
Mancini? We just got shut of one manager that couldn't get on with players, we don't need another one! Moyes would send players to the dank Everton basement of no game time if they upset him and Martinez would politely ignore players. Mirallas has managed to fall out with all 3. We need a decent man manager who can get the best out of players like Dyche, although Unsworth is already looking like a strong option for this. I'd be happy with him, Tuchel or a punt on Fonseca.

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23 Oct 2017 16:42:05
Brenda couldn't hack it in the premier, yes he is doing well north of the border but then again Martinez and Koeman probably would. STAY CLEAR OF HIM.

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23 Oct 2017 16:45:15
Ha ha ha. My mate managing our Sunday league team has a tougher job than him.

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23 Oct 2017 15:54:37
Well here we are again, where so many of us want to be . A new manager with no new recruits til January . The boo boys win again . I'm embarrassed once again. If they'd had their way in 1983 Howard Kendall would have been sacked before he turned things round. If his garage doors hadn't been used as a protest banner maybe he wouldn't have left the English champions for Bilbao. Lukaku played for WBA for 1 season, when he scored against them on his return he refused to celebrate. On his 1st game against us his celebration said it all. We were told yesterday we love a home grown player, Ross Barkley could've choked on his roasties.

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23 Oct 2017 16:47:20
No comparison with Howard's boys. This team just look plain awful, and we're getting worse by the game.

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23 Oct 2017 16:47:43
what on earth are you waffling on about here lad.

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23 Oct 2017 18:20:24
I'm waffling about how quickly we turn on our own . If we had won yesterday we'd be 2 points behind the reds . Are they calling for Klopps head . Don't think so. Lad .

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23 Oct 2017 15:51:15
Eddie howe is an interesting one as he may not be able to spot a player but looks like he may be a good coach and man manager. (Walsh can spot players for him)

Arteta is an outside chance but like unsy no real experience.

Then we got dyche (maybe good option) , big Sam (no thanks) , rafa (tough with red connections) and a while whole host of others.

I'm not sure who we should go for but I do know koeman had ran his race and needed to go.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont know about walsh helping howe geoff, he never done koeman any favours mate..

23 Oct 2017 16:23:20
Good point ed.

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23 Oct 2017 15:43:38
Good news today.
A man losing his job is never anything to be happy about but we are talking about multi millionaires so i don't really care for sympathy as his family won't suffer financial heartache.
Now the real issue, who will replace him?
Its simple for me.
We have 2 choices.
If we want to simply consolidate 6/ 7 place with occasional cup runs then we go for the dyche/ howe type.
If we want to challenge for honours and make this club great again then we go for ancelotti.
Just my opinion.
The appointment will show the boards ambition and will be based on the choices above surely.
We have had 2 managers with terrible track records who should never have been employed by us.
I hope the board choose a manager who is a winner with a proven track record and show the fans that they want success.

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23 Oct 2017 16:15:01
Pauly it is down to who the board can persuade to join us, i am hoping they are ambitious as i think Moshiri is and go for someone who has a track record and not just some up and coming manager who may or may not turn out to be a great manager.

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23 Oct 2017 16:29:17
Its not going to be easy to attract someone like Ancelotti, the fact we have got such poor strikers makes me think we will have to give someone like that major assurances over transfers in January, assurances we cannot give as we are so poor in transfer market. I think Mancini could be a good option, he knows the league as well like Ancelotti but not as high profile.

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23 Oct 2017 16:50:04
The board thought they were being ambitious getting Ron, as was I. Just shows you how difficult the owners job is really.

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23 Oct 2017 16:55:56
*** Red Alert ***

Without wanting to start a riot, can I ask if any blues genuinely think / believe that Ancelotti would want to be your manager?

Look at where he’s been. he’s always had an essentially 1-in-2 chance of winning the title. He’s another like Mourinho, he wouldn’t have the guts to go to a team where his actual managerial skills would be tested.

He, Mourinho and Guardiola have always been at clubs where money’s no object, PSG, Inter and AC (before their demise) Chelsea, Utd, Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern.

With respect, CA turned us down because he realised how big a job it was going to be to get us back challenging for the top four, you guys are 18th. IMO, he’d see it as damaging for his reputation if you finished bottom half.

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23 Oct 2017 14:53:31
Absolutely gutted today after hearing the news. One of the worst decisions in my lifetime supporting Everton.

Only just heard the news. our lass has washed me Everton shirt on a really hot wash and its shrunk.
Words fail me at this sad sad time.

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{Ed025's Note - lose some weight smit..

23 Oct 2017 16:11:15
When I met the Mrs a little over 50 years ago I was slim.
Now I'm fat.

Moral of this story, Don't get married.

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23 Oct 2017 16:56:56
Have to 100% agree with you, Grumpy!

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23 Oct 2017 17:16:03
To be fair guys our lasses cooking is bloody terrible, so getting fat isn't an option.

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23 Oct 2017 14:36:27
Right. who do we want?

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23 Oct 2017 15:52:57
Marco silva for me.

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{Ed025's Note - yeah great choice pauly, getting watford to let him go will be difficult though mate..

23 Oct 2017 16:24:55
Let's see how Unsy goes first. As said before he knows the Club inside out, has done brilliantly with the U23's, is old School and believes in playing players in their positions. 45 million on a No 10 and shove him out on the wing (ridiculous) . Unsy will play Rooney up top and tell him to stay there, wingers will be used and the defence coached how to defend. They are saying Unsy and Royal again but I would prefer big Dunc and Unsy on the side of the pitch. Who is going to misfire when Dunc is in the Managers area.

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23 Oct 2017 14:31:01
Eds, Koeman is taking all the blame. But is Steve Walsh not partially at fault?

At Leicester he picked up Kante and Mahrez for peanuts, and yet at Everton he has paid a kings ransom for Klaasen and Keane. Has he just not had enough time? Or was his Leicester work more luck than judgement?

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{Ed025's Note - im not sure MK but he must carry the can as well mate..

23 Oct 2017 16:04:31
Totally disagree ED025, SW has no say at all as to how the team is run, team formations, or team morale. He does not go out and decide he must buy x number of players for any position he likes, he works off a brief given to him by the manager and/ or the board.

As to buying the next world beater at a bargain price, we are working on the assumption that they are readily available. The next Ronaldo, Baile, Beckham, Suarez may take years to discover, every top team in the world are also looking and have not found them.

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23 Oct 2017 14:21:55
The decision to sack Koeman is the correct one and shows that the people at the top are not going be the soft touches they once were in the past.
The decision of who takes over now needs to be done properly, no rash appointments, make sure the next man is able to move the club forward season on season.
If we can't get Rafa for one reason or another I would leave Rhino in charge for this season and go all out for Ancellotti.

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23 Oct 2017 18:03:16
Well why not give Unsworth and ferguson the job till end of season and then if they do well then give it them both full time I say you get what you earn in life and I think Unsworth has earned a shot at the big boys with how loyal he has been to our club over the years.

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23 Oct 2017 14:21:54
jurgen klopp has contacted koeman, not to offer his sympathies but to see if he fancies a few games at centre back.

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23 Oct 2017 14:11:53
Apparently koeman had 2nd best win percentage of any Everton manager in last 27 years but what we've witnessed so far this season is unacceptable.

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23 Oct 2017 16:07:41
He actually had the worst.
40% win rate lower than that Belgium manager who must not be named and also lower than Moyse.

His stats though for this season are diabolical.

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23 Oct 2017 14:09:05
RK has gone

who will be next?

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23 Oct 2017 14:00:59
Ross may stay now koeman gone and few others may actually wanna give more for the shirt. (Kev, etc)

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23 Oct 2017 16:14:43
I was just thinking that same thing mate.

I really hope you're right.

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23 Oct 2017 13:59:49
Glad for you lot that he's got the sack, question now is, who will be the next manager? who do you fellas want to take over?

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23 Oct 2017 18:02:51
Silva for me.

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23 Oct 2017 13:53:31
Gone. Need to take time over next appointment.

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23 Oct 2017 13:51:38
So Koeman sacked and Unsy is in charge (tbc) . Please Unsy, play the players in their right position. Why oh why do managers think that they can put square pegs in round holes and then get results. Even more so keep their jobs.

Anyway. Very few on here will be that disappointed that he’s gone. Probably correct to say that the season starts now.

Skylark mate. You’ve said this from the start so fair play to you.

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23 Oct 2017 14:51:50
Yea Skylark you were accused of being negative by plenty on here, myself included. As Toffee ace says you were right about Koeman. Hopefully next appointment will be better.

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23 Oct 2017 13:46:47
My money is on Unsworth and Royle number 2. for now that is.

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23 Oct 2017 13:46:00
He has been sacked confirmed on efc website hip hop huray.

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23 Oct 2017 13:45:39
He's gone about time too.

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23 Oct 2017 13:45:18
Ronald koeman has just been sacked.

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23 Oct 2017 13:44:32
Really pleased with the Board they have done the right thing to sack R K now on to the next manager but who.

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23 Oct 2017 13:43:57
Well that's Koeman gone.

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23 Oct 2017 13:43:50
Everton have sacked manager Ronald Koeman.

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23 Oct 2017 13:43:36
Koeman sacked officially about time
BBC local news.

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23 Oct 2017 13:41:29
He's been sacked official.

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23 Oct 2017 13:38:12
He's just been sacked according to Echo.

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23 Oct 2017 13:36:02
He's gone apparently, the club just announced it on twitter.

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23 Oct 2017 13:35:46
Actually feel relieved by the news.

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23 Oct 2017 13:20:22
Ronald Koeman should head Brexit negotiations. He's taken Everton out of Europe in just over 3 hours.

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23 Oct 2017 13:29:10
Love it, that's cheered me right up after yesterday's debacle.

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23 Oct 2017 13:39:16
He needs a new job now.

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23 Oct 2017 13:19:46
SSN. kenwright and elstone arrived at USM finch farm, they report it as UNUSUAL for them to attend the day after a game

fingers crossed lads.

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23 Oct 2017 13:31:00
Maybe they've gone to give Niasse the keys to a locker ;)

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23 Oct 2017 13:39:28
Or pat RK on the back.

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23 Oct 2017 13:48:53
It was to sack Koeman official.

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23 Oct 2017 12:59:43
As I understand it, Koeman has been told to carry on, and has been givern the support of the board.
I have been going to Everton, for more years than I care to admitt, but even in the days of gordon lee, the football might have been poor, but at no time have I ever seen an Everton team with such a lack of commitment.
I know the term "lost the dressing room" has been well used, but here, I think it does apply, why this cannot be seen by the board, I truly do not understand, it hits us in the heart, but it will surely hit them in the wallet if they continue to bury their head in the sand.

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23 Oct 2017 13:15:18
I would have thought the board or Bill may have spoken to some players (experienced ones like Rooney, jags bags and baines) to gauge their opinion of the manager and his methods before deciding to allow him to carry on.

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23 Oct 2017 18:01:51
Well he hasn't because he has been sacked.

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23 Oct 2017 12:19:52
Peter Reid just come out and said he reckons R K has two games to turn it around, not convinced myself, wish he would go.

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23 Oct 2017 11:55:04
BBC reporting koeman still going to be in charge for Chelsea game.

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23 Oct 2017 12:13:30
He's taken training this morning apparently gj, doesn't sound very much like the actions of a man who's facing the bullet.

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23 Oct 2017 12:20:14
Something just doesn't seem right within our club. Whether it's the manager, players, fans or what. I don't know. If we won a couple on the spin it all may improve.

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23 Oct 2017 10:48:19
What pressure? Under-fire Koeman enjoys night out with friends hours after Everton's thrashing by Arsenal, (mirror) so meeting did not take long, the board is letting us down, I was told he was going last night? it's getting embarrassing? WTF.

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23 Oct 2017 12:13:58
With respect everyone needs some down time and if I was in that position I would be getting plastered 24/ 7. Only difference would be i would be at home doing it to avoid any abuse about how poor I was as a manager.

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23 Oct 2017 12:41:57
Look at the photos mate, it's in Manchester hour's after the gam, you can see he is not interested, looks to me he has Dutch job and waiting for pay off?

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23 Oct 2017 10:14:50
I have just read Steve McNulty of the BBC and I have never read such a accurate and excellent piece about our club .
It is a extremely lengthy piece I implore you all to read it Excellent as it states everything we have all been saying but it's nice to read if from the BBC
It's a pity Moshri and Bill won't read it .

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23 Oct 2017 12:34:27
I read it to very concise!

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23 Oct 2017 09:14:10
Just seen a very worrying stat. 4 out of the 5 defenders who started yesterday failed to win a single tackle. Concerning to say the least.

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23 Oct 2017 08:54:19
So no surprise this morning that after a meeting with the board RK has convinced then he can turn it around, however his body language and his interviews hardly convince me that is the case!
He believes he has the players behind him but that hardly showed yesterday, again he got tactics wrong and had to change at half time.
I watched the debarcle again last night, our defending was terrible and I would question that any of our senior defenders are good enough at this standard any more? No leadership players making poor decisions and basic errors!
Can see him having next two games then enough is enough, problem is I don't believe the players think they can win those games!

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23 Oct 2017 09:18:06
Ed I often question the mans arrogance but was surprised to see him pictured out on the town in Manchester last night, if it was the players they would have been pilloried by the press!

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23 Oct 2017 09:53:32
2017 Points 2016 Points
Stoke 3 Stoke 3
Man C 1 Man C 1
Chelsea 0 Chelsea 0
Spurs 0 Spurs 1
Man U 0 Man U 1
Sunderland 3Sunderland 3
Bournemouth 0Bournemouth 0
Burnly 0 Burnly 0
Brighton 1 C Palace 1
Arsenal 0 Arsenal 3
8 13
Other than Brighton who I have swapped for C Palace, doing an analysis of 2016 to 2017 it wouldn't have looked too different. 2016 advantage was a point at Spurs and an unexpected last minute win against Arsenal. Now I'm not saying that we are in any way in a good or similar position, as we clearly are not, however there is still opportunity to get out of this mess we find ourselves in if we make the changes now! not in 2 games time, now! If we go out to Chelsea as expected, and are out of Europe, who cares, it's about securing PL status so give someone a go for these games to get some understanding and belief back in to the team. We then have a number of winnable games after the international break to work our way out of trouble ready for the Jan transfer window when we will have the opportunity to buy in a striker and off load a couple of duds. Forever optimistic.

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23 Oct 2017 10:10:53
The problem is deeper than that. If he was able to solve it, he would have done by now. It has become phsychological and I include RK in that. I hope Mr Moshri/ the Board have given RK a next two matches ultimatum and see where we are. I say this because looking at the table we are already 4 points off the top half and we need those from 11th upwards to Liverpool to stagnate and does anyone seriously believe that will happen because I don't.

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23 Oct 2017 12:36:57
I'm sure he has another 2 matches but we all know nothing change just 2 more defeats until the inevitable, the writings already on the wall its just a matter of time!

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23 Oct 2017 06:46:17
It just occurred to me that for all the talk of not having a striker to replace Rom, we have Rooney who's scored at better than a goal every other game in the prem (172 mins per goal) - which is a decent return even for a striker - and Niasse, who has a goal every 50 mins or so of playing time, again based on appearances in the prem. Between them, they have as many goals as Rom averaged in 9 games last season. Like then, we have too few goals coming from enough members of the team. Not saying this is what's wrong with the team - there are obviously far bigger issues. Interesting though.

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23 Oct 2017 08:33:43
I was just about to say that for all the stick Rooney gets, he is our top scorer and really the only one who looks like he knows where the goal is. I went yesterday and the space in front of Baines was obvious. We need players to hug the touchline and spread the opposition to create space in middle. These are highly intelligent footballers who can play any position. Also when defending corners we don't leave anyone up so opposition can crowd our box and we have no way of breaking quick. Some teams leave 3 up to force opponents to leave defenders back and give opportunities on break. We need to counter at pace not dawdle on ball allowing teams to put 2 banks of 4 which we can't break down atm.

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{Ed025's Note - although wayne is our top scorer geoff i think he creates more problems than he solves mate, for me he has no definition of where he is supposed to be playing and is popping up all over the field disrupting others play, i dont know if its a free role he is playing and its been sanctioned by our clown of a manager or he just does as he pleases?, yes he scored yesterday but that one moment of brilliance is tainted by his abject performance for the other 89 minutes where he gave the ball away constantly and ran about like a headless chicken..

23 Oct 2017 09:17:45
Can't disagree with that ed. He needs a set position. I just think he is trying to drag the team along by himself (he either doesn't trust his fellow players or the manager's instructions. I don't know) but by doing that is creating more problems.

He needs to stay up top with dcl and give us an out ball for pickford (who i must say is the only thing between us and bottom position)

Can't believe koeman is still in the job. Most fans may give him 2 more games and he has to win 1 or both to stay in job.

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23 Oct 2017 10:15:50
Until January then we need to play Rooney as an out and out striker and tell him to stay up there against the opposition back 4, if he moves he gets dropped. Play Gueye or Davis in front of a back 5, I. E. a centre back 3 - Holgate, Keane, Jags/ Williams, with two wing backs Kenny and Baines (for now) . Mirralas/ Vasic, Siguurdson, Lookman. That should do it.

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23 Oct 2017 00:00:44
This was my first year as a season ticket holder, due to my disabilities and distance I have to travel every match day is a painful experience but I was happy to endure it because the team last year gave me hope that we would see some great football, now I dread match days and am seriously considering not going again. I do love the club though so I suppose after a few days of coming to terms with the latest disappointment I will drag my self the 140 mile round trip in the hope it will get better.
We did at least show some attacking intent yesterday.

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23 Oct 2017 10:11:14
True supporter ToffeeAL. You deserve better than what you've been getting recently.

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