Everton Banter Archive July 22 2015

 

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22 Jul 2015 22:28:04
I know it's not against the rules what Chelsea are doing but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth even Cahill has chipped in, I hope we don't sell at the last minute and leave it to late to replace him and then the money disappears

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22 Jul 2015 22:20:18
edd025 is it a fair assessment of our board that their ambition for us now is just to stay in the premier league and as soon as our players value is met by other clubs we sell off the family jewels and if so have you heard anything behind the scenes of any possible buyer or new investment in the club as everyone around us seems to be moving forward and we seem to be running in treacle

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{Ed025's Note - nothing this end on any investor or buyer billy, its getting a bit depressing now mate and as you rightly say we seem to going nowhere fast..

22 Jul 2015 22:31:48
We need some sort of good news soon, any sort of good news just to lift this dark cloud COYB

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22 Jul 2015 22:46:53
This statemet is based on what? We haven't sold anyone recently who we didn't want to. If we do sell Stones it will be for an inflated price or because he wants to go.

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23 Jul 2015 09:01:34
and if he does go can you honestly see our board re-investing all or most of the transfer fee on new players or is it more likely martinez will get around 5 mil of the eventual transfer fee

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23 Jul 2015 15:29:23
Selling Stones would cause massive unrest amongst the fans, unless he handed in a transfer request. The board would have no choice but to give RM the majority of the proceeds to ward off a fan revolt, so 5m is a bit short to find a replacement Billy.

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22 Jul 2015 21:58:26
I think we need city or united to come in for stones, as I have a horrible feeling chavski will just wipe what we owe for lukaku and give us a loan player and £6m, we need money the big time if he goes

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{Ed025's Note - thats my concern as well TB mate..

23 Jul 2015 03:48:10
Football transfers don't work like that,Everton will have some kind of payment plan say like 7M a year over the duration of Lakaku's contract, so Chelsea can't change those terms or use money owed as leverage to get Stones at a cheaper price Everton hold all the cards so just a matter of price if Everton decide to sell.

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23 Jul 2015 15:34:59
Mike S hits the nail on the head here. The two deals are separate so we are free to get the best deal we can from Chelsea, if it ever came to that, without them trying to call in money we owe from Rom deal. This smacks of desperation on Chelsea's part, if Stones has a solid season, goes to the euro's and does well then the likes of city and united will also come in with bids. The fact he is home grown will be of interest to all the top money clubs. It would be more beneficial to us if an auction took place, so to deal with Chelsea now would be stupid. They are trying to get him on the cheap before others become interested.

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22 Jul 2015 21:22:46
Hi all, my first post here. I as like everyone else want Stones to stay, but the reality is that if chelski treble his wages surely he will be gone? I think most of us would do the same. I think Chelski are poor in terms of getting the likes of Cahill to speak out. I am 100% behind Bobby but I need to see some fresh blood. The likes of Ossie, are surely past there best and can pinnear really stay fit of the whole season? Mcgeady needs to go. Please Bill, I know you have not been well but put these issues at the very top of your agenda!! I feel we have a fantastic first 11 but need to add a little depth and competition.

Thanks all I love logging on and reading all the passion!!

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{Ed025's Note - welcome aboard sean, your right about us needing some new blood, but that new blood needs to have a bit of quality mate, adding to the numbers just wont cut it for me..

22 Jul 2015 22:20:02
Thnks Ed, agree with you totally. There seems to be a real lack of quality about at the moment that's available. Maybe as the window goes on better will come our way. Let's hope so!!

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{Ed025's Note - lets pray mate.. :)

23 Jul 2015 00:35:18
I know a lot of posters are worried about all the best players being signed early on in the transfer window, leaving us with our pick of just the one footed, half arsed, attitude problem rejects or the 'who the hell is he?'s', but when most big clubs sign a new player, someone of decent quality gets pushed further down the pecking order. Sergei Roberto is a good example, as he is apparently a lot like Iniesta, but the main thing keeping him out of a regular place in the Barcelona squad is, well, Iniesta! Great player, but currently 4th choice. My point is, who knows who will find themselves surplus to requirements as their clubs bring in new players in the next four weeks. And welcome to the site, Toffeesean! Help yourself to a nice mug of Everton whine, from Bobby's vineyard and a big helping of grumble pie!

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23 Jul 2015 07:26:56
Excellent post 'blue

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22 Jul 2015 14:56:07
Ed, any news on latest interests? Got a feeling stones will go and leave it late to get a quality replacement at a decent price

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{Ed025's Note - if stones does go i hope its shortly legrice so that we can buy some decent players before the cream goes...although why we have to sell is beyond me after the mega bucks sky windfall we received, targets will change if stones does go as we may actually buy someone with real money mate..

22 Jul 2015 19:34:18
To all those posters wanting an influx of players, I'd say just look at who we currently have that would have to named in our 25-strong Premier League squad of aged-over-21 players. Including those we've retained from last year - and those who now have to be included as they're considered over 21 - we have 24 such players. They are: Howard, Robles, Coleman, Hibbert, Baines, Garbutt, Jagielka, Barry, McCarthy, Besic, Gibson, Barkley, Osman, Pienaar, Cleverley, Oviedo, Mirallas, Deulofeu, McGeady, McAleny, Junior, Lukaku, Naismith and Kone. I'd imagine that even those going out on loan - like Junior - would still be named in our squad.
Stones is still considered as under-21 and would be named in our under-21 list alongside the likes of Browning, Galloway, Ledson, etc., etc.
So, unless we move several "older" players out, we would appear to have room for just one addition. At least we only have (by my reckoning) twelve non-homegrown players, which is well below the maximum of seventeen.
If we lose Stones, we'd surely need two experienced centre-backs - and we don't have room at the moment. Something's got to give, but - despite all of the fans' misgivings about several players - it doesn't look like RM wants to move out any of them.

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22 Jul 2015 19:20:18
Ok! So it's odds on Stonesy is off. Who do we replace him with? (And don't say Jonny Evans) who is a good choice? Someone between 24 - 28yrs old who can play regular. Suggestions Blues!

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22 Jul 2015 19:08:28
I think it is now getting pathetic that so many people from Chelsea are publicly praising stones. It seems that they know it might not happen thus doing everything not behind the sce es. F off chelsea; If we do sell; which I am still hopeful we do not; then sell him to anyone apart from Chelsea oh and of course the neighbours!

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22 Jul 2015 18:54:53
Mourhino last week & now Cahill their centre half on spn saying it will b difficult 4 stones for turn Chelsea down.
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Nothing knew there then but mourhino also has little dig calling us a small club.
Martinez or kenwright doing nowt to quash any rumours.Worrying times indeed if he does go & its looking that way means we've lost basically all the back 4

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22 Jul 2015 20:43:00
All of our back 4?

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22 Jul 2015 20:53:45
All the back four apart from Coleman Jags and Baines. There really is no end to your complaining and negativity.

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22 Jul 2015 21:12:10
thats the biggest disappointment why isn't kenwright or roberto coming out and defending our club they should of called a press conference with stones next to them and put this to bed all that is happening is chelsea will continue to turn john stones head oh and I would have Jags on ssn saying how costa and zouma would love it at Everton ha ha

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22 Jul 2015 18:45:47
What if Stones goes to Chelsea and Zouma comes on loan for a season?

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22 Jul 2015 20:55:39
What if we bid 5p for Cahill. To be fair when Everton show an interest it's hard to turn down.

See what I did there 😆

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22 Jul 2015 18:31:23
Nice to hear Bill again today for the first time on the airwaves in geordieland.sorry to hear about his illness.interesting take on the interview from my point of view is that he never once sang his praises about Bobby - I seem to well remember when Moyes was in charge he'd often openly describe him as the best thing since sliced bread on every occasion. read into it what you want, just something I picked up on. as for the Stoned saga, well he's right about him being the best English defender in the country (& Mourinhio knows that too, he ain't stupid). therefore he commands top top price of 45+ million & no less.I think Chelskis behaviour & their players comments have been nothing but disrespectful & disgraceful & it's about time the F.A. Fined them & other managers come out (like Wenger often does) & say their piece in our defence too!! I really hope Stoned therefore stays, if it were me I'd give him an immediate pay rise!

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22 Jul 2015 18:18:21
As everton fans we expect loyalty from our top players, generation after generation expect the same, but players are different. Stones didn't before he moved to us so why should he know. He was making a step up before and he will be making another when he goes to chelsea with c/league. We don show loyalty to players who don't make the grade so why should we expect otherwise. It could just as easy have been George green being sold and stones being released. The only person with unquestioned loyalty is Bill. You may not always agree with his actions but he has the club's best interest at heart. We all think that there are wealthy Arabs queuing up to buy us but it may just be wishful thinking. Coyb!

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22 Jul 2015 21:35:49
Loyalty behave this is the man who told all his staff they were redundant and on his way to the USA because he couldn't get a hit show then carter turns around and says become a director at Everton he agrees carter retains his chairman's role and bighearted bill just keeps his secretary on the pay role 1987 remember the year are last championship win and he on the board when Johnson bought the club and watched on with the rest while Johnson filtered money by the Barrow load to park hampers accounts and done f** all about it loyal my are signing contracts to buy efc with confidentially clauses in why he bought it so cheap wanted to move us to Kirkby with that other snake leahy soon Pissed off from tesco when profits dropped and loyal bill only wants 200% profit on his initial 20 million purchase of Everton football club loyalty what a f*****g joke

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{Ed025's Note - not a big fan then al?.. :)

22 Jul 2015 17:33:04
Well another day, another transfer-less evening for us evertonians.
I'm dreading this coming season with our current squad, looking at other clubs transfers so far it's going to be a long, long season.
Suppose it could be worse, at least we will get the chance to see our best players (mirallas, stones, Mccarthy, Coleman and lukaku) in Europe with other clubs.

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22 Jul 2015 18:07:55
Really!
Why are we so negative. You know we will not sell all those players so stop thinking the worst.

When the season starts you will want us to play positive football rather than negative as its their job.

So do yours and get behind them for goodness sake. All this negativity and player criticism is gripping my throat.

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22 Jul 2015 19:24:44
Cheers TA. I understand that RM has stated in a press conference that John is an Everton Player full stop but this week I have seen Mourinho and Cahill have individual interviews with ssn. Why hasn't Bobby or Bill done this?

I actually trust John Stones will stay with Everton. I just want us to be a bit more aggressive when dealing with the likes of the so called 'big clubs' and dealing with their underhand tactics.

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22 Jul 2015 17:10:11
I'm a first time poster but have read rumours and banter for a number of years on the site. Everton FC have always conducted themselves in a professional manner regarding transfers (to the best of my knowledge), but i'm now starting to think that we are now seen as 'too nice'. I am desperate (as i'm sure all Evertonian's are) for one of the main men to show some back bone and clearly state what the situation is regarding John Stones. Either name our price or tell them to sod off in no uncertain terms.

Chelsea have had both their Manager and their Centre half on ssn basically begging stones to sign up. What have Everton offered? A fax or letter! This has got to be RM/BK 's chance to stand up and be counted for EFC and what we stand for. Whatever happened to "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum"?

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22 Jul 2015 18:03:38
Chelsea will definitely get their man.

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22 Jul 2015 18:11:05
But they have JBB. I'm not sure what else there is to say!

Nice to here from you btw. Enjoy venting your frustrations here mate.

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22 Jul 2015 16:06:52
I've been off this forum for a while having been completely and utterly ****** off by where BK and RM were taking us - or, to be more accurate, not taking us - but the John Stones saga has really raised my ire and I feel a renewed need to post some comments. We may not HAVE to sell players these days, but we clearly will sell at the right price. Not only am I worried about losing any quality player, but also we will get taken to the cleaners by other clubs and agents when we try to bring in replacements (usually inferior) As for using our younger players, they may get a few appearances when needs must (injuries, suspensions, etc., for regular first-teamers) or in pre-season, but they clearly still lack experience (Browning, Galloway, etc.) or haven't progressed (Barkley) and I wonder if we can afford to let them gain that experience playing for us in the Premier League. I hope I'm wrong, but there's no way imho we'll get top-10 finishes let alone the European places. As for the cups, we are perennial losers, so no Wembley day out for us I fear.
Anyone got a positive view about where our club now sits - and does anyone really believe (I don't mean wishful thinking and many fans' unquenchable optimism) - that we are anything but a mid-table (or worse) Premier League club that can't hold its better players and that is critically dependent on the television money - without which we'd be financially doomed.

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22 Jul 2015 16:41:13
Welcome back Sid. Try not to get too depressed

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22 Jul 2015 17:14:35
Nope, there's nothing really positive about the club right now; you've pretty much nailed it with that post Sid. Btw - you're not the only poster that's been off this forum as a number of others have disappeared since your last post. I guess its a reflection of our frustration and, at times, apathy.

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22 Jul 2015 17:57:52
Totally agree, seem to look like a feeder club instead of looking to bring (buy) in quality, as opposed to loans, freebies and cheaper inferior players while developing the youth in tandem. The club seems to be drifting with no direction. Do we have any money? what is the wage policy, are we paying enough to attract and keep good players and then we have a manager who talks eloquent rubbish about how well we play and seems to see mid table finishes as success

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22 Jul 2015 18:12:07
SID. Where you been mate. We need your stats man!?

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22 Jul 2015 18:38:57
Exactly why I haven't posted for a while pod. Gutted and can see no optimism whatsoever.

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22 Jul 2015 18:54:30
Welcome back Sid yes unlike lots on here I am positive for the new season and the future, ill start with transfers most on here are moaning ( nothing new there ) about not signing enough players yet this window getting all upset acting like babies cause other teams have bought more than us pretty sad window not shut yet and won't be for a while so far we have held onto our big names and if we sell it will only be for huge profit if your going to whinge about not signing players at least wait till window is shut if your so impressed with who west ham Newcastle and Stoke are signing go support them if our club is run so bad and ye all have had enough go support them right now we have a great young squad best we have had in years by far starting with defence we have jags stones Baines all England regulars browning garbutt Galloway future England regulars IMO add to that Coleman Oviedo very strong for the future midfield McCarthy deulofeu Barkley besic mirallas some great players again all young lukaku would not swap him for to many in prem right now all but two of these are young and very talented and will be great to build a team around in the coming seasons unlike many other clubs around us we are very stable right now so just on those few points yes I am excited by the future go back five years and we had nothin to be excited by, so for me we are moving forward and things are lookin better I fully believe we will have a good season this year and seasons after that cheer up everyone :)

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22 Jul 2015 15:45:12
I realise I say this every window but I can't believe that Sky are allowed a TV company and a betting site? It's a massive conflict of interest. "ssn" could easily be lies to encourage bets on players moving that have no chance of coming to fruition.

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22 Jul 2015 15:27:29
All this rubbish paper media talk on stones it is bad that Chelsea talk about it to media but it's back in there court they offered £20m we turned down simple as that until Chelsea make another offer they won't get him. Personally I don't think it's worth saying he is not for sale at any price as everyone has a price, messi would be sold if someone offered enough, by saying he is not for sale at any price is lying, Liverpool said sterling was not for sale few weeks ago

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22 Jul 2015 15:05:51
It looks like Bill is trying to force Chelsea in to upping there bid for stones, he's claiming john stones is the best centre back in England, surely if he wasn't for sale that would have been the first thing on his agenda to come out with, strange, but this is Everton, always expect the unexpected from the people above

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22 Jul 2015 14:46:11
If Stones does go and we sign roberto I think we should maybe look at moving McCarthy to CB

Besic for me looks like one of are best players so he has to play, then there's Cleverly and Possibly Roberto.

Then there's also Barry who shouldn't be starting games for us this season but Knowing Bobby he will.

Plus Osman, Ledson? Ect .

Also Barkley was quoted as saying He " Wants to play up front " last season, and tbh he would be a better option than Kone for me. And If you think about it he has the attributes to potentially be a great striker

He loves to shoot and I think if we put him closer to the goal he would be far more effective.

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22 Jul 2015 18:13:46
Rather play Barkley up front than McCarthy at centre back but ideally would do neither

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22 Jul 2015 19:02:27
Are you mad McCarthy is a mid one of the best at what he does if anything besic could go back if needed as he has played there a lot osman won't play much this season either will ledson Gibson you never know

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22 Jul 2015 14:18:30
Honestly I can't really see a "phenomenal" season for us. hell, we need a new manager or at least a director who can get us players, we now obviously know martinez isn't that great at buying players.

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22 Jul 2015 12:39:17
Stones will go and good luck to the lad. Even as an Everton fan we can all agree the stadium, the manager, the board, the setup, the ambition and opportunities to play in Europe are much better there than at Everton at this point in time. A reflection of how far we are behind but again we don't have a billionaire owner, just a millionaire! And the lure of the capital is a big one for a young lad.

I have to admit I would like to see Moses coming the other way. Not sure what others think?

Hopefully we can bring in some talent with the money and regardless of what you think Stones has done the right thing for himself and Everton. We could use the money to bring in a few (very needed) decent signings.

Just hoping we can attrack players that can help us move back into the top 10 teams cause at the minute crystal palace, newcastle, stoke, west ham and southampton are all pretty strong squads (and getting stronger) outside the usual suspects.

Good luck mr stones and thanks for your time at EFC.

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22 Jul 2015 15:04:55
thier stadium is horrible

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22 Jul 2015 15:09:10
Agree with a lot of what you said there but Moses??? Come on be serious

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22 Jul 2015 19:04:26
Moses no thanks useless

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22 Jul 2015 12:15:54
All this Stones talk has let another issue slip under the table! delboy has suposidly done his hamstring in!! How many is that now? Close to 50 hamstring injuries since Bobby took over!! It was highlighted last season and delboy only 2 weeks into pre season has joined the list!

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22 Jul 2015 09:52:23
Why do most people believe everything the papers say

They say Stones wants a move so let's all jump on the "Stones wants out" bandwagon.

They say we want to sell Stones, does anyone actually know for sure that we have not told Chelsea "he is not for sale" pure speculation again which it seems is good enough for most people to start slagging the Club off as usual

How often do the papers actually get anything right involving Everton, if they did then Baines, Lukaku, McCarthy, Coleman and Barkley would all be gone by now, they are all still here ar'nt they.

Why done we actually see what is going to happen instead of jumping on any reason to slag the club/board and manager off.

I know the usual posters will jump on this stating Bill is pocketing all the money, Martinez is a joke, where has all the FRIGGGGGGGIIIINNN money gone, come on Blues let's see what the next few weeks brings and stop trying to bury the club before the season even starts

If Stones goes then he goes, no bad feelings to the lad, top players need to play for top clubs, we are certainly not a top club anymore which we all need to accept, there are 5 clubs in the league which we will never catch unless a Russian Billionaire comes in, they can all comfortably pay £250k a week wages, way way ahead of everyone else.

Anyway rant over, back to work

Degs

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22 Jul 2015 19:07:10
Very good post Murf

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22 Jul 2015 09:23:58
Stones has potential yes. However he didn't stand out at all last season as we shipped goals. 34 million. A good deal. Even if bobby gets 20 of it to spend we can get in good proven replacements. Let's get behind the club and not keep slating them. If the price is right every club sells their players.

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22 Jul 2015 10:55:35
If it happens then Van Dijk, not Evans or vidic, needs to be bought.I don't want stones to go but every player has a price.just hope we stand firm on the fee and not give moaner mourinho a option of offering a penny less than we want. If stones wants to join a small club like Chelsea with limited history,before becoming billionaires,then so be it. Less game time than at everton.

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22 Jul 2015 07:39:40
Before I start this post, I would like to point out that I am asking a question, so I really hope certain people do not just start arguing with me and ripping the post apart.here goes. Over the last 10 years or so, we as a club have managed to bring in some experienced players from far away places and also some younger ones from closer to home. We have nurtured them, brought them into the first team and then eventually sold them for huge amounts, allowing us to then re-invest in the squad. Players like: Rooney, Arteta, Fellaini are probably the best examples. I also realise we brought in youngsters in Baines, Coleman, McCarthy, Besic and Lukaku. All of whom have added value to our squad. and of course Stones. who I am guessing will go to Chelsea for very top dollar. my question is. do we have any really young really promising young players who really look like they will make it? It was obvious to me that Baines, Rooney, Arteta, Fellaini, Coleman and Stones would make it and be of ever increasing value. However, I am not so sure that the other players I have listed will cut it. Lukaku obviously has certain talent. but cost a packet and his touch can be terrible. His attitude also looks suspect at times. Besic looks promising but also looks like he will be sent off most games. McCarthy has a fantastic work rate and defensively is usually great.but has not much of an attacking threat.and scores 1 goal per season on average. Not good enough for a box to box midfielder. I have not seen much of Galloway but Garbutt definitely looks good. but are there others? And please do not just rip my post apart disagreeing with my views on certain players. they are just my views.

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22 Jul 2015 08:33:18
Our midfielders don't score enough goals so they go and get Cleverly who also can't score goals. Should of been in for Milner before the shite got him, best signing of the summer and he was free.

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22 Jul 2015 15:20:25
Ledson as an u18 now I believe looks the real deal. He was the captain of the England u17s who won that World Cup last year. McCaleny looked good so far in preseason, other youngsters like Kieran dowell and jonjoe Kenny are 17-18 year olds who thus far have a real chance of making it into the first team. I would really like to see Browning be our 4th center back this year as well.

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22 Jul 2015 15:35:18
Sorry but the best signing of season is Peter Cech, what he will do in terms of improving Arsenal could be 10-15 pts come end of season which could be difference in winning title and for £10m it is deal of the season

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22 Jul 2015 19:15:53
For me browning Galloway garbutt besic deulofeu all look very promising McCarthy and lukaku if sold will be for a big profit ledson mcaleny kenny henen dowell exciting but only time will tell

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22 Jul 2015 06:38:21
I have come to the conclusion that Stones will leave this summer regardless of what Martinez says. Football is a business for the suits and only a leg break away from resigning for the players. let's go back to how and were we got Stones from, he was a promising right back playing well for a struggling Barnsley side in the championship. Barnsley stated at the time the player wasnt for sale. Wigan come in with an offer which as a business the club could not afford to turn down, we then match it. Stones then decides that Everton are a bigger step up than Wigan and signs for us. Now the comparisons with how we signed him and how this current saga is playing out are all there. Chelsea are a bigger club in the current standings than we are and therefore are the next step up on the players career ladder. Its sad to say and see but its reality. My only worry is we will lose him and the money will vanish and every window there after another promising player will move elsewere to further their careers as we as a club stand still. The last silverware we won I was a 13 yr old lad and had to wait another 14 years for a final. Loyaltys aside now lads, ask yourself this question, if you were in the predicament John is in would you stay? I know I wouldn't because you measure success in football by your achievements and here at Everton we have failed to achieve anything in 20 years. Again sad but true.

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22 Jul 2015 08:32:04
Unfortunately, I do agree with you. In fact I would go further by adding that certain clubs have benefitted by rich sugar Daddies coming in and funding spending sprees like we have never seen before. They were wise enough to realise that the ssn Champions League money added to the Premier League money would give them a huge return on their investments. Our board at the time did not see the opportunity. So we did not invest or invested poorly. Fast forward 20 years and these clubs now have the infrastructure and assets already in. The Financial Fair Play rules now prohibit us from finding our own sugar Daddy and so we are working in a different financial position. This basically means the top 4 or 5 clubs can now generate an extra 50 million each season that they qualify for the Champions League. If they fail to achieve qualification in any particular season, they can just spend, spend, spend to get back in. eg LFC. If another club starts to break into this top 4/5, then the others can literally squeeze them out with superior purchasing power. eg EFC, THFC. Unless the rules change, EFC, Spurs, Newcastle and any other club with aspirations of European football will only ever be able to make Europa League or maybe one season in Champions League before the others squeeze them out again.

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21 Jul 2015 23:26:47
So the plot thickens as Jose M has said that chelski have never ever received any sort of letter from EFC regarding Stones not being for sale. Someone is blaggin somewhere prob the press.

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22 Jul 2015 07:44:02
We will sell were skint. just waiting for best price now. clubs in a mess.

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