Everton Banter Archive January 22 2015

22 Jan 2015 19:52:18
Mike basset has turned us into jellyfish poeple who think giving a manager time just look at Chelsea and City

22 Jan 2015 19:15:28
Here's a thought out of left field for a possible replacement for RM: Sean Dyche currently at Burnley.
With (hopefully - although this season that is debatable!) better players at Everton he might do better than is realistically possible for him on Burnley's comparatively limited resources. Unlike RM, whose tactics eventually took Wigan down (and are threateningly looking like doing the same at Everton!), Sean Dyche doesn't strike me as such an unpragmatic dreamer.
Other names don't appeal to me. Hoddle ultimately failed at Tottenham and at Wolves. He'd most likely turn out to be tactically like Martinez (possession, pass, pass, sideways, backwards), but without the Spanish accent. Hoddle is also a three-at-the-back advocate, which is surely questionable for our current defenders.
Foreign managers wouldn't have the Premier League (let alone any kind of British football) nitty-gritty experience that I believe is critical for a club like ours imho - and we wouldn't have the money to fund the players they'd want to bring in anyway - so it should be a British (or Irish) manager. We appointed HK and DM from lower-tier managerial positions - and they did OK (didn't they?) - while Sean Dyche would have already had some Premier League managerial experience having served a good "apprenticeship" learning his trade lower down the leagues (just like HK and DM did).
Just as well I'm not running the club if I'm thinking like this, eh?
Anyway it's all academic, as BK is clearly sticking by RM to the bitter end - even if that's an end to our sixty seasons of top-tier football.
:-(

{Ed025's Note - i have never really considered dyche sid, i do like him, but would he have the experience to keep us up?..im not sure..

Ed025: The only one I'd trust to keep any club up is Tony Pulis. Having said that, Pulis is elsewhere, so I'm confident that Sean Dyche would do a good a job at a club with (all due respect) more resources than Burnley. How ironic if he keeps Burnley up - albeit by the skin of their teeth - and RM brings an end to Everton's sixty seasons of top-tier football.

{Ed025's Note -i cant even think about that sid..

22 Jan 2015 20:33:00
Sorry Sid but we need a manager who can attract big name players, doubt this guy could do that. Though to be fair I would rather be a better version of Burnley than Wigan mate.

Woburnblue: Attracting big name players surely requires Champions League football, which we're nowhere near at the moment, AND paying big wages, which we couldn't do on our budget under FFP rules. Besides, why would a player (or his wife/family) want to come to us ahead of a club in London (or even Manchester come to that). We, as fans, would love to play for Everton, but for most players (who have no emotional ties to Everton) it's just a matter of medals, money, and location.
:-(

I would have alan stubs.

Daz efc: Alan Stubbs is an interesting shout, but wouldn't we want to see him have a little more time getting head-coach experience in Scotland before he manages in the Premier League? That's if we're still in the Premier League cone next season of course!
:-(

I think stubbs is the man, I don't know what he did but every time he has left the club are performances have dropped.

22 Jan 2015 18:03:29
It's looking likely (I'd actually say it's certain) that we WON'T be playing in Europe next season, so there won't be any validity in blaming that for any tiredness or poor performances.
However, I've no doubt that the lack of European football will be a reason why our better players will want to leave and why we won't get adequate replacements - and that will be used as an excuse for any poor performances and every poor result.
And throughout we'll have the same inane positivity from RM and the same waffle pre-match & post-match from players who aren't delivering and have no self-belief.
And the band played on.
:-(

{Ed025's Note - as you say sid, i think there will be an exodus of our players in the summer if bobby is still with us, i dont believe they buy into his philosophy of how the game should be played, thats why my my choice would be for him to leave..

Ed would you prefer he left now or in the summer?

{Ed025's Note - i would prefer now alan, if you have a bad tooth and its hurting you the best thing is to get it out as soon as possible, before it infects the other teeth..so to speak..

Have to agree Sid. I can see McCarthy, Coleman, Stones and Barkley on their way. But never mind we will still have Barry for two more years, and you can just see Alcaraz being given a new three year deal along with McGeady being given an extension.

22 Jan 2015 12:27:46
What worries me is if RM pulls off the save of the season and keeps us up he's going to be here next season and were going to go through all this crap again because he has his way of playing and won't change it. oh rubbish.

{Ed025's Note - your right kirbo..

Just seen on news now everton.that a supercomputer says we will finish 11th on 47 points.so no need to worry lads sorted.coyb

{Ed025's Note - oh good...phew that was a close one streety.. :(

Yeah I saw that too, and that was without transfers in the window, with transfers we finish 12th on 44 pts, obviously taken the rubbish signings we have been linked with into account then?

47 points this season?
That might be enough to avoid relegation, but it's a massive comedown after our record haul last season! Anywhere else and the manager would be on borrowed time, but it's likely that BK will let RM get his "second season syndrome" out of the way in the expectation (make that hope - or blind faith) that we'll do much better next season.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest sid thats exactly how i think it will pan out..

22 Jan 2015 17:38:05
just putting a view on the joel goal keeping pole. I remember when big Nev first got into the first team he was awful so H K( GOD) sent him out on loan to bury I think and the rest is history as they say.

Super computer? It was RM's laptop!

If and I hope to dunkin biscuits it is a big if we go down it will be because after the Palace game (if we lose) Bill refuses to do the right thing. I also echo that even if we survive this season Roberto has already shown by his actions and comments that he is not a Premiership Manager.

22 Jan 2015 11:12:17
Big fan of Mirallas but i'm a bigger fan of Everton! No player is bigger than the club and if he wants to leave let him go. he has 18 months left realistically he is worth 10-15million. Footballers aren't valued on just skill the contract dictates value! I like the idea of townsend and lennon and send them Kev. don't advocate selling off your best players and making wholesale changes but I don't think we should jib our manager off after a bad run! we have a good young manager who I firmly believe will turn this around! we have never been the club who sacks managers willy nilly we keep the faith and remember blues we have witnessed worse! maybe our expectations are just too high! Get behind the boys against the RS and IF we get beat don't boo! get behind them and encourage because Goodison should be hostile for away teams not our own! COYB IBWT

{Ed025's Note - can you tell me when we should start to panic m1k?, when we are in the bottom 3?...when there is no way back?...

Is it just me that's flapping then?

{Ed025's Note - no lancer, i am as well mate..

Well I was flapping too, which this morning became blind panic when I read this gem.

Under the headline of.
Everton have been named in the top 20 of Deloitte's Money League.

"Everton posted record profits of £28.2m following the significant hike in broadcast revenue from the first season of the new three-year domestic and overseas TV rights deals, which pushed their share up to £88.5m, and a merit payment of almost £20m based on last season's fifth-place finish."

When you look at it, take the TV money away and the premiership prize money (got to be in it to win it as they say) It goes beyond flapping for me and is getting close to the time where I will be sat in the corner, undies on head, pencil up each nostril unable to say anything else than "Wibble wibble wilbble!"

{Ed025's Note - undies and pencils are on my shopping list as well wedge..

Shouldn't worry about us being 20th apart from dollar signs in BK's eyes. Let's see 144.2 million, let's salt away 50 million for a business plan for the ficticious new stadium (I sniff another Kirkby), Oh and that value enables me to up my asking price for investment/buyout. Meanwhile this wonderful Club that I wear on my sleeve (oh yes I do, come here Silvester let me cry on your shoulder), is trundling bar a miracle into the Championship, I am sure I read Roberto's CV and he did give me a convincing answer to how he beat City as a one off. Ah well never mind. Ah well back to Corry.

We shouldn't panic because in reality we are better than these teams! we will come good. Call it blind faith but I don't think we are a bad team over night we have been awful in games and unlucky in others but we have quality and I genuinely fancy us to be alright. and as stones said we are looking up not down!

{Ed025's Note - a couple of teams in the past have said the same thing m1k, dodgy train of thought for me mate..

Bobby Brown Shoes said out of the last 10 games we were unlucky not to have won 9 and drawn 1, and still thinks we have a chance of finishing in the top 4.

I am starting to worry about his mental health now.

He can't honestly believe the nonsense he comes out with surely.

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out

{Ed025's Note - hes that deluded mike...that he should be managing our neighbours mate...its a match made in heaven for me..

22 Jan 2015 07:02:34
I have digested all the posts now since Monday and was in two minds to give my opinion. Was I frustrated, disappointed and angry leaving the ground Monday night freezing my nuts off? Yeh. I can't put my finger on it why we are struggling so much I thought we where turning the corner after west ham & city performance, on reflection pulis brought WBA to defend and many teams would have struggled to break them down never mind a team lacking confidence. I thought Besic was great and one if the few who showed urgency and had the courage to want the ball, I don't think Barry played particularly bad either and we expect the fwd players to be the ones to create something, so I guess it was either of them two who had to come off and maybe Barry is a bit more disciplined and experienced to protect defence on counter attacks to allow others to do their jobs ie Barkley who I believe needs to be taken out of the spotlight because his confidence has gone and he does seem to be struggling I have said it before he looks a bit overweight. Do I still have faith in Roberto? Yes and I hope he turns it around have mistakes been made? Yes is there anyone who I really believe I would like to succeed Roberto? Not really it would be a stop gap to do enough to stay up or a gamble on the unknown ie hidden or klinsmann if I was pushed maybe moyes as he knows the players and maybe he could take us one step further now we don't need to sell. I still believe in Roberto and possession football but it needs to be free flowing possession and this needs confidence the same as Liverpool were a couple of months ago it's a time for unity not just so we can change our opinion and moods like our underwear and say ok I eat humble pie ha ha he is a genius when things are good and like wise the other way around when we win at old Trafford or he plays Lukaku on the right midfield against arsenal he is the next barca manager nobody criticised us not practising set pieces then etc. I don't believe we don't do anything on set pieces maybe not as much as the likes of pulis and allardyce but we have to. The biggest worry I have is if it's not just confidence and there is a rift I have heard rumours that eto is the cause of the trouble and maybe this is why he in his way out nobody truly knows hopefully this is it he goes the week away together will regain the team bond and we beat Alan partridge pardews palace next week. Oh and we get a winger on loan. One final thing if mirrallas would not have been an person and baines scored the pen we probably would have gone on to win the game 3-0 as they couldn't just sit back and I wouldn't be doing this post and my fellow supporters would not be feeling so depressed after blue Monday. Always the optimist

BK always comes out with optimism. I was driving up from Devon for the Stoke game listening to him on Radio 2. He was praising RM saying how positive he is. He said that he even got a call from RM when the draw for the FA Cup was made. "We have a home draw against West Ham!" he said. "A home draw!" I listened with interest and thought to myself. positive Chaiman, positive manager. sorry to knock your optimism, Robbie, but maybe that's part of the problem. Optimism is great, but a reality check is also useful at times. I am not having a go at you. I admire your optimism and perhaps I am being a pessimist.I think Ed would say so.

Good post Robbie