Everton Banter Archive April 21 2013

 

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21 Apr 2013 22:04:07
Would anyone take Duncan fergunson as our next manager? {Ed025's Note - not me..

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As number two to sheedy?

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NO THANKS!

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21 Apr 2013 20:43:43
I'm very concerned, I heared moyes saying he was looking to bring in more bit in our forward line.

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21 Apr 2013 19:51:11
Thought I'd post this for anyone who hasn't read it, to clarify european qualification. Basically we have to finish 5th or higher.

The top four teams qualify for the Champions League, with the fourth-placed team entering at the play-off round, while the top three come in at the group stage.

Leaders Manchester United have made sure of their top-four place and will win the Premier League title if they defeat Aston Villa on Monday.

English clubs have three places in the Europa League - for the FA Cup winners, the Capital One Cup winners and the fifth-placed team in the Premier League.

Swansea City were the first team to book their place in Europe by winning the Capital One Cup, and will enter the Europa League in the third qualifying round.

The fifth-placed team will enter the Europa League in the play-off round, with the FA Cup winners moving straight into the group stage.

If Manchester City qualify for the Champions League, their FA Cup final opponents Wigan will qualify for the Europa League, whether or not they win the final.

The top three countries in Uefa's Respect Fair Play league get an extra Europa League place, which is given to the highest-placed team in the top flight's Fair Play table that has not yet qualified for Europe.

In Uefa's interim rankings on 31 December 2012, England were fourth in the Fair Play table.

The bottom three teams will be relegated to the Championship.

Reading and QPR, who lost to Norwich and Stoke respectively on Saturday, will both be relegated if fourth-bottom Aston Villa win at Manchester United on Monday.

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If Chelsea win Europa League and finish in top 4, then 6th place goes into Europe

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Fluffy. Are you sure on this. Not questioning you, just need to know if this is a sure thing.

Toffee ace.

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Who cares europa would be a waste of time we don't have a squad big enough to cope domestically never mind in a european competition that offers no financial gain, i'd rather finish 6th {Ed025's Note - thats a fair point, newcastle are proof of that..

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Read it on here a few days ago. Makes sense but how often can UEFA be credited to making sense?

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Only 5th position will qualify for the UEFA Europa League - even if Chelsea win this year's completion AND wherever they finish in the Premier League. The only way another team finishing 6th would qualify is if they get in via a separate route, namely the UEFA Fair Play ratings.
England get 4 berths in the Champions League and 3 berths in the Europa League. If an English team won the Champions League, that team would take one of the 4 berths in the CL - which leaves just 3 CL berths based on Premier League finishing positions. Unless they qualify for the CL, the team that wins the League Cup takes one of the EL berths. Likewise the winner of the FA cup - or the losing finlists if the winners have qualified for the CL. That leaves one EL berth for the highest placed Premier League finishers after all of the other CL and EL qualifiers have been accounted for. If an English team won the Europa League, that team would get the title-holder's berth in the Europa League, but this would only be an extra berth if that team didn't already qualify for any of the other European (CL or EL) berths. The UEFA Fair Play ratings could give another English team a berth in be EL in addition to these other ways.
So, in theory, we could have 4 teams in the CL and 5 teams in the EL (the normal 3 plus the title-holders plus a Fair Play qualifier) - but the normal 3 EL ones won't include 6th place this season.
Can we please draw a line under this now?
MrNumberCruncher

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22 Apr 2013 14:32:32
europa could be good we could be good we could play our youngsters in it PK BLUE

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PK BLUE: I think we'd have to play our young players, as our first team squad isn't big enough to cope with the number of games we'd have. {Ed025's Note - i think your right PK...

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21 Apr 2013 19:29:19
21 Apr 2013 18:45:58
Get off Suarez, everyone. He just wanted a taste of Champions League football.


Eddy

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Could be a better joke as Chelski don't, and might not next season, have Champions League football.

Good try though.

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21 Apr 2013 19:29:15
Suarez obviously wanted a taste of the champions league. Liverpool to resign Berger to keep him happy!If he play's again.

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21 Apr 2013 18:31:15
Ed how long of a ban do you think Suarez will get for that bite it has to be a hefthy one he is sc. say no more. Stef the blue {Ed025's Note - i would think at least 3 stef...maybe even more!..

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21 Apr 2013 18:25:23
What happens if man city win fa cup and qualify for Champ league and also Chelsea win Europa league and qualify for champions league as well just wondering about places for Europa league

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This has been covered by many previous posts. Finishing 5th gets a UEFA Europa League place - finishing 6th will not. It's irrelevant as far as Chelsea winning this year's UEFA Europa League or ManCity winning this year's FA Cup - and both qualifying for the UEFA Champions League - 6th place in the Premier League will not qualify for Europe. Swansea (League Cup winners), Wigan (FA Cup winners or beaten by champions-league-qualified ManCity), and the 5th placed team will be England's three UEFA Europa League qualifiers. An additional place via the UEFA Fair Play ratings might be awarded to England. The only other scenario - very unlikely - is that Chelsea finish below 5th, but win the UEFA Europa League in which case they qualify as title-holders - but it still means that anyone else finishing 6th won't qualify - the three regular places would still be Swansea, Wigan, and whoever finishes 5th. Simples.

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21 Apr 2013 18:23:52
he cheats, he dives, he's gunna eat u alive. luis suarez

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Even if he leaves the dark side, they'll get big money for him and will be able to get someone good. I just hope we get good money for Fellaini if he leaves us and we can reinvest it in players - and not use it to reduce our debt and/or not use it to cover any annual operating loss.

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21 Apr 2013 18:15:40
WARNING: Donkey on the loose in Liverpool, if you see it please keep away because it is likely to bite.

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He's being transferred to the crack South American side, Fray Bentos FC, as they need a donkey to go with the horses in their club-naming-rights-sponsor's canned products.

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21 Apr 2013 17:42:38
What's the pickup money for finshing 5th or 6th and what is the extra dosh coming from TV Rights? Also will ESPN be showing more of us on TV over and above the once as in this season? COYB

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Each higher league placing is worth almost £800K in prize money. So finishing 4th rather than 6th brings in an extra £1600K or thereabouts. Hardly a game changer for our transfer/wages kitty, but every little helps.
Not sure about the TV money.

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21 Apr 2013 17:29:14
Suarez just bit Ivanovic. Disgraceful! Hopefully out of the derby!

James

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I'm surprised that Shelvey - a dead ringer for Nosferatu the vampire - didn't smell the blood and go for the neck of Ivanovic.

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21 Apr 2013 16:50:53
Thought I'd do my own one of those posts that AJ did before.

Howard: at times can make some incredible saves and other times he can be awful, doesn't command his box or come out for corners, we need a young goalkeeper to replace him and imo someone like Ter Stegen or Coirtous on loan would do.

Coleman: been amazing this year and has certainly improved his defending and I can't wait to see him face Bale as it will prove whether or not Bale can go past a fast right back and whether Coleman can defend against a fast left back.
Hibbert: will retire at Everton and can still be useful, he can defend, its just brilliant to see him slide into a winger.
In shirt we are set up good at right back.

Jagielka: love him, he's so reliable and just has everything a defender needs, 30 years old we can still get a good 4 years from Jags.

Distin: fastest centre back in the league and his pace has been useful against Jerome, Walcott, Kone this year and he never looks like getting beat in the air.
We are doing good at centre back and we also have some good ones for the future, Stones, Duffy etc.

Baines: best left back in the world, yes he made a mistake yesterday and couldn't tame Kyle Walker but he creates so many chances and is just brilliant.
Ovideo can play here.

Mirallas: done very good, tore wisdom apart and just adds that much needed pace and flair to our team.
Naismith:I don't wish to discuss him.

Osman: needs to go he just isn't strong enough and his passing can be insanely inaccurate.
Gibson:top top player and was a bargain, passing is top notch.
We need a big strong midfielder with Fellaini going and need more depth in this position, Barkley, Lundstram and Oviedo can all do well here.

Pienaar: been awful, I mean apart from goals and assists his passing has been awful and has been unreliable.
Oviedo will do well if given more of a chance.
Gueye: awful can't pass, can't shoot, no pace, can't take a man on and is a liability.

Jelavic: off form and just needs a good run to get him going again.
Victor: causes trouble in the opposing penalty area but will not get you 20 goals a season.
Need another forward either someone pacy or someone incredibly powerful.

In total we need more bodies and we can hopefully make a push towards europe next year.

COYB!

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21 Apr 2013 16:13:56
we should go 433 for 13/14

GK Super JAN
RB Coleman
CB Jags
CB Duffy
LB Baines
RCM Barkley
CM Gibbo
LCM Pienaar
LW Oviedo
ST Negredo/ the Norwegian lad
RW Big vic

Bench

New GK
Stones
Heigtinga
Fer
New Cm or Maybe Kennerdy or Junior
Jela
Vellios

the reason for no felli IS Because we won't get CL

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And the reason for no Kevin Mirallas?

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That team would be so overrun in midfield, and you would have Anichebe over Mirallas?

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Sorry missed him out maybe drop victor to bench for vellios and kevin RW

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No offense to your opinion, but that would be a gigantic step back.

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Suarez got to get a ban

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Mirallas?

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Im guessing u done well with this formation on fifa, no so effective in the real world kid

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21 Apr 2013 15:40:17
Ed is there any particular reason why a lot of clubs ate looking at the Dutch league for players

Thanks

Eddy {Ed025's Note - they all seem to be very technically aware eddy, and reasonably priced,...whats not to like mate,..

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Plus its much cheaper than shopping for similar-quality players domestically

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Just wondering haha the last 2 out of 3 for everton have been nutters in any van see meyde and Royston


Eddy {Ed025's Note - good point eddy.. :)

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21 Apr 2013 15:18:11
season over boys, spurs are 3 1 up so that's 5 points ahead of us with a game in hand, we got beat fair and square yesterday but can't help but think what would have been if had had not conceded so many late goals, norwich twice, newcastle, fulham, and sloppy performances v villa, swansea ect. need at least 4 fresh faces next season if were going to challenge for europe

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Our squad isn't yet deep enough or strong enough IMHO to compete in Europe, so maybe it's a blessing in disguise that we probably won't qualify. I think that the next few seasons are about staying in the Premier League (obviously) and rebuilding the squad. To think that we can bring in loads of top players on big wages is unrealistic given the Financial Fair Play rules. We need to fast-track our young talent and pick up a few gems from the lower tiers and around the world. I just can't see us challenging at the top of the table for a few years to come - whoever the manager is - but of course I'd love to be proven wrong.

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Have to agree with Sid on this, our squad is just not deep enough for Europe. I would have loved us to have qualified for the CL but although still possible does not seem likely. However, not qualifing for the EL mat not be a bad thing. I think if we get to the CL then I think the board would be given DM a significant amount of more cash than if we qualify for the EL. This being the case strectching the small squad we have would probably cause more damage than good.
On the positive side the younger players have really stepped up to the plate this season Coleman, Anichebe have improved significantly and Barclay, Duffy look very good prospects. Plus we have good U21 and U18 squads that may provide another couple of gems.

SA90

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21 Apr 2013 12:30:12
That daily mail should be used as toilet paper. "A club in crisis" is what they call us. Well the way I see it with neville going and supposedly moyes/fellaini going and more that likely heitinga (he has been awful) along with the new tv money
we would be after moving 4 of the top earners off the books and we consistently finish top 7. There surely a kitty of 35 mil from that along with barkley/stones/duffy coming through.
From my view point I wouldn't refer to everton as "A club in crisis"

bluepaddy {Ed025's Note - nor me paddy...the press is a joke mate..

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21 Apr 2013 12:17:54
The same team that beats United, gets 4 points off City, is unbeaten vs Arsenal, gets 4 points off Spurs and beats Swansea 3-0 away. loses to Reading, gets 1 point off Norwich, can't finish off Fulham, goes 3-1 down to Villa at home, drew to Wigan and QPR, couldn't score against Swansea at home

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What is the purpose of this post? I don't understand, your just listing our results?

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I think the point is that maybe we're playing with the wrong (over confident?) attitude against the so-called lesser teams.

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21 Apr 2013 12:17:12
I see that the Eds regularly change the word "id*ot" into "person", but happily accept the homophobic phrase "b*m c**m" when used to abuse our manager and some players. Just where do the Eds draw the line in deciding what words and phrases are permitted in posts? Freedom of speech is fine, but would you allow racist words when posting about black players? And would you allow sexist terms for the Everton Ladies team players? Would you allow anti-Semitic words when posting, for example, about games against Spurs? Some consistency please, Eds. {Ed025's Note - i cant speak for the rest of the eds, but i have never posted any of them words you mention citizen...but if you do find anything offensive on the site, please contact the site and complain, as thinks like this should not be tolerated..

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Ed025 check the banter time-stamped 21 Apr 2013 10:42:07 {Ed025's Note - i have checked it mate, and will delete it!...i will find out who posted it and have a word with them, for me it is unacceptable..

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21 Apr 2013 15:26:40
Was me ed I apologise but do what you feel necessary. {Ed025's Note - it was out of order phil, but big of you to admit and apologise, we should all be bigger than that guys..

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PhilTheBlue: top man for apologising. I also think that DM has favourites whose form doesn't always warrant selection, but describing them as DM's "favourites" is more acceptable IMHO.

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21 Apr 2013 23:07:49
I apologise and I promise you I'm not homophobic and didn't mean what I said in fact, I'm 14 years old mate and sometimes you hear things in the match from Osman haters etc and more so from the person who sits 2 seats away from me as he often refers to Neville and Osman as Moyes' b*m ch**s and when Moyes does unfairly pick them it makes me think 'again he picks his b*m ch**s, I should be more mature and think before I say stupid things like that and your right the term 'favourite' is certainly better to use.

COYB!

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21 Apr 2013 12:10:27
Sorry if this is a big post ed but looking at our squad for next season, I'm not exactly inspired with hope.

Howard: I still think he's a decent goalkeeper, but he needs someone to push him for 1st choice.
Mucha: Looks like he won't be signing a new contract, so we need either a veteran who is happy to sit on the bench, or a young gk who will replace Howard in 14/15 (assuming Howard stays 1st choice)

Jagielka: Been very impressive normally, but is now the wrong side of 30. Hope this recurring injury isn't a sign of things to come.
Distin: Has had a good season, and has been quite consistent. Will turn 36 next season though, and we need a younger player long-term. Would like him to stay though.
Heitinga: Has the odd good game, but can be useless at times. Far too inconsistent for me, and on high wages too. I like that he is passionate and cares about the club, but I would cash in on him to be honest.
Duffy: Moyes appears to have no faith in him. He might be off if he doesn't get more game time.
Coleman: Has games where he looks fantastic, and seems to have ironed out the awful errors he was making at the beginning of the season. A good player, for the future as well.
Baines: My favourite player, probably player of the season. Worryingly he has not been so brilliant the last 3/4 weeks, but I put that down to exhaustion. Has played practically every game. I don't think he will leave, but if he does, who can blame him?
Hibbert: Injured almost all season. Is now behind Coleman in the pecking order. Good squad player.
Oviedo: I think most fans want him to get more game time, and has impressed in pockets. I hope he stays and gets more time.

Osman: Some fans love him, some don't. I fit into the latter. He does add something to the midfield, but him and Gibson are too similar, and we need a different type of midfielder in the middle. Played far too much IMO, and one of Moyes' favourites.
Gibson: IMO consistently better than Osman, and I think he would benefit from having a different CM alongside him. Hopefully his injury can be sorted this summer.
Hitz: Would be surprised if he gets a new contract. Hasn't done too badly when played, but a bit pedestrian.
Barkley: Expect him to get more game-time next year. Hasn't wowed/disappointed when played, give him time and I'm confident he can be a good player.
Pienaar: I've been really disappointed with him this year, and I think many were delighted when we re-signed him. I honestly want Oviedo to start ahead of him next year, and I think he's past it. In fairness, he's got a handful of goals and assists, but not the player he once was. Would like him to stay, but not in his current role.
Naismith: Decent squad player, nothing more atm. I would like to see how he does if he stays next year, perhaps played in his PROPER POSITION for once eh?
Gueye: I actually quite like him, and I hope he features next season. Will probably be sold in the summer though.
Fellaini: Would be surprised if he's still there next season. A good player, but not brilliant. 25mil plus I would accept in a heartbeat. Please do not sell him to Chelsea though, go to somewhere like PSG or Zenit.
Mirallas: Can be fantastic on his day, and has gained us a few points with solo efforts. Hope he stays as I think he could be very good next year. Am worried that he might leave to a 'bigger team' though. Too selfish at times. RW is not his best position IMO.

Jelavic: Has had a poor season, but I think this is a result of tiredness and lack of preseason due to adjustment to Premier League and playing in EURO 2012. Would expect him to be better next year if he stays, but not as good as his first half-season.
Anichebe: An effective player against defences like Villa and QPR but not good enough against the better teams. Lacks guile and finishing, but a decent player nonetheless.
Vellios: Always done well when played. Appears to have fallen out with Moyes. Can see him leaving this summer if Moyes doesn't. Hope he stays and gets more time.

Moyes: Has his flaws, but so does every manager. Hope he stays, and I think its about 50:50 whether or not he will. Sale of Fellaini may be a blessing in disguise, we need to return to the attractive football at the start of the year.

So basically, to maintain/improve our current position we need to: rotate the squad more (ie, Vellios, Oviedo, Barkley etc get more games. ) Sign a CB. Sign a CM (Fer would do for me). Sign a striker/ a CAM. Keep Moyes or get an attacking young manager. I really fear we would go for an Allardyce or a Pulis. Don't always stick with the old favourites - don't always pick Pienaar and Osman regardless of form.

If we don't do the above I fear we will sink below Liverpool in the league and compete with Newcastle et al for 8th. If we do, I think next year's realistic ambition will be Top 6 and a Cup. {Ed025's Note - very fair assessment that AJ...good stuff mate..

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21 Apr 2013 11:36:51
It's depressing that we've gone from almost hoping that Liverpool do well against Chelsea so the Champions League is still open, to desperately hoping that Chelsea win so we can just finish above Liverpool.

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I agree. We're surely not going to qualify for the Champions League, so we need to get 5th for the Europa League. So, we want our challengers for 5th - most likely Spurs and the dark side - to lose today to ManCity and Chelsea respectively. Besides, we might have a better chance of a result that we might need ourselves when we play Chelsea away if they already have the points for CL qualification.

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Who still believes we'll finish 5th?
I don't think our players are less determined to win - we've only lost six league games this season - but when push comes to shove our lack of squad depth stymies us big time. Spurs can bring Defoe - a proven goal scorer - off the bench, but we just don't have the quality in numbers. {Ed025's Note - 5th will be hard fred, but we need to keep going, and finish as high as we can..

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21 Apr 2013 11:08:39
Malky Mackay as a potential replacement for Moyes?! No way!

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21 Apr 2013 13:21:23
Would you rather have the wigan manager manager, who now looks about to have his side relegated, afder just missing out over the last two years.

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Who thinks that DM will stay if we don't qualify for Europe. More so, if he doesn't get the funds to start rebuilding the squad, why would he stay anyway? Even if he gets the funds, the FFP rules could well prevent increasing the wage bill to accommodate the 5 or 6 extra players (all first team contenders) that we surely need in addition to some of our promising young players coming through.

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£4m+ salary and no interference in football matters! where else will he enjoy no Board pressure?

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21 Apr 2013 10:34:14
It really is sickening once your realise that if we would of held on against Fulham, Norwich (twice), Spurs, Newcastle (although the linesman did rule out 4 clear goals), we would have 11 points more than we do now and if we woudnt of gave away that stupid penalty against Reading we we would have had 3 points more than that, 14 POINTS! its digusting when you see that and realise were we should be, oh well at least we still have Naismith.

COYB!

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Leave Naismith alone, it was a good read until you showed your true colours. When Naismith is forced out of the Goodison Park doors who will you turn your attention to?

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While I take what your saying about dropping points all sides can say that we have gained a few points by scoring late Tottenham, Suarez had a goal ruled out last minute against us as well we can't look back and say we should of won there are games Manchester United should not of won but they did and that's what win you things bottom line we have had a good season so far to be just outside the top 4 on our budget is crazy our let down as been the same as last few years have not got that striker to get up near 20+ prem goals we get that next year we will be in there challenging again we drew to many

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21 Apr 2013 15:19:11
I get what Naismith offers to the team pace, energy, work rate but he is unreliable look what happened vs Leeds and Newcastle and from what I hear he is hated by a lot of people after posting something disrespectful to Rangers, what a way to show respect to the team you support, the thing is that Naismith is In the same bracket as Gueye and Heitinga, they are unfairly picked ahead of better players and when they don't start they have it in them to complain about lack of game time, Naismith will leave in the summer or january and when he does he will say the same as Bilyaletdinov 'there style of play wasn't good enough or the players I played with were not good enough'.

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DM did say on MOTD that he'd like a striker. Jelavic has not progressed from last season; Anichebe has worked hard, but is he really going to be a consistently effective performer; our young forwards are promising, but will they successfully step up to the first team? The problem is that the 20+ goals a season forwards are more likely to be recruited by a Champions League team, not by us even if we could afford them.

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21 Apr 2013 10:06:12
Does the Daily Mail seem to have something against our club? Fellaini, Baines, Jagielka have been leaving for the last 2 seasons. Reporting that Moyes/Felli are off today and we will be in 'crisis'! What a joke. If they leave, we move on! Come on you blues!

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21 Apr 2013 09:03:09
Oh well, I suppose that was coming after our recent improved performances. I guess we can just about still get in the Europa League if other results go our way and we manage 5th.
However, here is the crunch. Has anyone realised that if we end up 6th and above Liverpool yet again, we still don't qualify for the Europa League? Yet those bunch of ever lucky gobsh*tes are currently 2nd in the fair play tables (behind Arsenal I think). Meaning that they may qualify as runners up as Arsenal are already in Europe. In fact after the sending off of Giraud yesterday, the reds may even be top? Any other Blues see what I see happening?
Degsypulford

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How can a team that contains Suarez ever win a Fair Play League!

Neil Paddock

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Southampton are top ain't they? {Ed002's Note - No.}

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Just imagine: after all this season's promise, we finish below the dark side (7th and 6th), they get Fair Play qualification for the UEFA Europa League, they bring in players during the summer, we become the poor neighbours once again. On the other hand, if we win at the dark side in a few weeks, then skies won't be quite so grey ;-)

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Top of the fair play only means Europa if England are in the top 3 of an overall fair play I think.

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21 Apr 2013 02:58:47
Only six league defeats this season - probably two more to come: away to the dark side and away to Chelsea. But far too many draws that could have (should have) been converted into wins. Dumped out of the cups by supposedly inferior clubs. An ageing squad that lacks strength in depth. Some very promising younger players - but will they develop and will we be able to keep them if they do well. A manager that is unsure about whether to stay or go. No modern stadium on the horizon, so limited match-day income. Financial Fair Play rules that will limit our total wages - no matter how much in outgoing transfer fees we raise for bringing in players. A board that cannot generate the funds (especially commercial income) needed to compete in the Premier League. I now fear that we will lapse into mediocrity or worse. And if by some miracle we get into the UEFA Europa League, I expect us to struggle in the Premier League. In fact, we could be in danger of relegation if we lose too many players to injury, as our squad cover is paper thin. Yes - I know it's doom and gloom, but how many other posters think the future is rosy? {Ed025's Note - you paint a very dark picture jonesy, now im not saying that everything in the garden is rosy, but come on mate! we are one of the top 6 sides in the hardest league in the world, we have played some really good stuff this season, and are well respected by all the top clubs, we have beaten the champions and the champions elect, and have the best supporters in the league...so its not all bad mate.

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CA
I think you have got it spot on.
Im sorry but the only people to blame are the board. Any fool could see that we needed to strengthen in January to maintain a push for top 4 or Europa league. If we lose our quality players along with our manager this summer then I really fear the worst.

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21 Apr 2013 08:22:15
Dont you realise that if you get rid of the board we will turn into Blackburn under the Venkys?

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Sometimes injurys cause you to turn to the youth players, this is when we see if there just hype or the real deal, maybe we need europe so this might happen, that's how gerr'f'ar't'd brought himself on the scene at the reds. it will force moyes's hand into changing things.

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Ed025: Of course our current sixth position is laudable - especially given our lack of spending (transfers and wages) compared to the other clubs. I just think that under Financial Fair Play - and with every other Premier League club having the Sky money - we'll not be able to do as well. That's particularly so IMHO as our better players get too old and/or move on and, even more so, if the manager decides to go.
As for the board, I just bemoaned their inability to get investment - I now fear that the pressure to sell the club could lead to a Venkys situation. If the current board weren't prepared to fund the couple or so January transfers that would have helped our quest for European qualification - especially with the massive Sky money next season - then our finances must be in a really bad state. Bottom line: we have been living beyond our means and now have debts and annual operating losses that must be addressed under FFP - the chickens are coming home to roost and if the manager and the better (and ageing) players move on, then it'll surely be a long hard struggle to rebuild and survive. {Ed025's Note - i agree with a couple of them points jonesy, the lack of signings definitely hurt us in january, and pressure to sell could in fact end up a venky,s 2, that is why guys berating bill are picking on the wrong guy!...look at the other dead beats on the board! who are far richer than him, yet get away scott free..

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I agree ed 25, spot on mate City beat Spurs today they have a hard run in I think we will finish 5th. But we need at least 5 more players for that Europa league there is a lot of games in it then add that to our domestic campaign it will be painstaking. Stef the blue

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To some of the other posters: only problem is that ManCity didn't beat Spurs :- (
Who still thinks that we'll finish 5th?

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21 Apr 2013 02:00:53
Wish Moyes was given 30m to spend every season. Let's be honest he has had **** all from everton and had to juggle the squad that he has painfully brought to us fans, IMO I wish we could of (Everton) given him everything. Imagine Moyes with no limits. I wish we had the money like the top 4 get, we would be a great football club to watch if Moyes had the money, and you know what top 4 managers would be s*** scared of moyes. I wish
Seewherl

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I agree totally! would love to see moyes with funds! My kopie friends seem to think moyes wouldn't know what to do with a load of cash to spend? I personaly think that because moyes has very little to spend he tends to monitor players a lot more because he has to make every penny count on a budget! and work out if the player will fit in to the squad? you only have to look at andy carrol for not fitting in to a squad! the player must fit your teams style of play! any one else think this? discuss!

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Moyes is awful with big funds. Beattie, Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup.

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DM has brought in some gems at comparatively low fees (Cahill and Jagielka for example) and got good service from players before making a profit on them (Arteta) or getting good money for players not progressing (Rodwell).
However, in one area - centre forwards - his record is not so good. We've spent reasonable money on a pretty long list of potential goal-scorers, but how many have lasted - even those who showed initial promise? And our only home-grown forward of any real quality during the last ten years - Wayne Rooney - had to be transferred in order to stave of the financial collapse of our club.
I'd love to have seen DM able to spend £20m-to-£30m on improving the squad/team each season of late, but - apart, maybe, from Fellaini at £15m - I'd suggest that DM's success has been picking gems in the lower tiers or overseas for fees in the low millions.

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Beattie had a excellent track record before joining, as did Bilyaletdinov who actually had a very impressive first season. Kroldrup I'll give you.

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James Beattie £6million - Jan. 2005
Per Koldrup, £5million - Aug. 2005
Diniyar Bilyaletdinov £8.9million - Aug. 2009
That's not even £20million in 4 and half years, hardly say its big money. A lot of which was recouped when these 3 players were sold.

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Beattie, Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup- all 7 figure sums. Hardly earth shattering fees. How many 8 figure fees we have payed out? Yakubu, Fellaini, erm, that's it, is it not?

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21 Apr 2013 01:35:35
tell me please that I am not the only one fed up with pundits talkin about how well we've done considering we have spent very little money thanks but no thanks we don't need your sympathy we r a top top club that just need a board that's more concerned about the football club and not making fortunes for themselves

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20 Apr 2013 23:57:47
What a day! Up at 05:50 so I can get the bus to Preston, then the train to Kirkdale, so I can get to Goodison for the coach. We get back, after watching the worst sh*t ever - on par with the Wigan match - to Goodison at 20:50. I get the train to Ormskirk, wait one hour and 15 minutes for the train to Preston. I then get back to Preston at 23:17 before getting the bus back to Bamber Bridge - which I very, very nearly missed, bear in mind it was the last bus back. And I'm just home now at 23:50.

I'm livid with that performance, considering the time I took out of my weekend, along with the cost.

And I have to be up at 08:00 on Sunday for my football match. What a weekend! Thanks Everton or either making my weekend happy or utterly (insert word which can't describe livid here).

Goodnight. One very tired 16 year old Blue. {Ed025's Note - i feel for you keith....but you were born a blue mate...no one said it was easy..

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I feel for you to mate but what can we do we our blues forever
Seewherl wishing we our invinsasble

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RRRRRRRRRRRRrr poor Keith, the Liverpool supporters have to do that for every home match. On a more serious note, someone must have told you that supporting Everton was never going to be easy.
Andy the Chef

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Look on the bright side, Keith, it was better than spending the whole day in Brig! Only joking mate - I'm from Leyland so I can't say anything! Every credit for being a true supporter though.

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20 Apr 2013 23:41:24
Whats all this about a new badge?

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20 Apr 2013 21:59:25
Well this chapter is near a close. No investment in January leaves us not quite to Europe and only a wish for CL. You people who want to dump moyes will get what you want but it won't turn out how you hope. The only question remaining is Blue Bill. He loves his team but not more than his money. Either invest or sell! No Moyes and no money= no damn good. Fellaini gone probably Baines too. No stadium no way to make progress but at least a good relegation battle will make the end of the seasons more interesting.

Bill if you love the team let it go for a price someone will pay you will feel better than being the owner of an above average Championship League team. See how much value is left then.

Big Bald Blue {Ed025's Note - well your a barrel of laughs tonight baldy :(

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20 Apr 2013 21:57:32
we are not good enough for champions league football, end off!the manager thinks he, s bigger than the club and has no faith whatsoever in the youngsters coming through and would rather stick with his go with the flow senior players who are low on confidence, half fit or past it than a young lad!rather see the young lads who are the future than the root 1 boring line ups he picks full of his favourites who have and always will bottle it when we need them to perform!end of the road davey! everton made you! you never made everton!

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Give vellios a go

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21 Apr 2013 08:29:17
But we have Naismith haven't you noticed the way he lifts the crowd.

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20 Apr 2013 21:19:49
Just got back from the game, after a rough trip with the replay of Baines's loose pass and Howard's feeble attempt at a save and I can't help but wonder why we bother

I genuinely believe that very few evertonians would criticize Moyes if we went to places like Sunderland, and had a really good go, an attacking display, showing intent to win the game. It happens few and far between with Moyes in charge, both away and at home. 1 win in 3 equals the same as 3 draws so its well worth having a go!

Besides the ridiculous backpass and the resulting indirect free kick, did we create much else? For a team aspiring for top 4 that is shambolic

Yes the referee made two clear game changing errors in the invisible red card and the blatant penalty, but that's besides the point. The formation we play is defensive, too rigid and we spent 90 percent of our time passing the ball between Ossie, Heitinga and Distin on the half-way line. Completely useless doing that.

There needs to be fluidity with midfielders breaking the lines between the defence and midfield, the 451/442 he plays is out dated and not adapted to the modern game, which is why we always get these performances once in a while, because a manager works it out, that score once and then build a two bank of 4 and we will struggle from open play

Unfortunate truth, I fear its time for a new era, fresh ideas and beliefs, he has served us well, but like I said when we played Wigan, Moyes has had his time, its clear he wants to move, its the right time

Alex {Ed025's Note - good read that alex....very harsh, but a good read..

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Sunderland fan here, but except you were 2nd best today and what about the two penalties sunderland should of had for blatent tug backs on danny graham and not to mention fellini constantly fouling. You played us at the wrong time as we have a manager that matches the fans passion and we were due a win off you after osman chaeting the ref at our place last year to get you a penalty. better team won yesterday live with it and move on! {Ed025's Note - you deserved your win mate, ill give you that, but dont come on here as though your all that!....you are a very poor side, who will eternally struggle in the top flight, the new manager factor will keep you up this season, but you know as well as i do that next season it will be the same again, your loose cannon of a manager will be sacked, and a relegation dog fight is the best you can hope for...enjoy..

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That told him Ed025!
dont think you will hear from him again!

stewillow

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I'm a mag ed, and that's what I've been trying to explain to them! Its exactly what happened with oneil. They're only good with new manager syndrome. In fact, o'Neil is probably a better manager than Di canio! So deluded sunderland fans are, cheers ed! {Ed025's Note - i would doubt that anyone could be worse than o,neil mate..

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Pardew is

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20 Apr 2013 20:50:04
To remain on a positive footing, there has been enough examples of quality this season to beckon next season with optimism. It is for the Manager and Captain to determine what is the target, what style of play is required to meet the target and what player does or does not have them. Then buy/sell accordingly. Perhaps, 3 players. A midfield general, a replacement for Fellaini and a regular goal scorer. Anyone know of any?

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21 Apr 2013 02:45:59
Big fan of James McCarthy mate, his passing, tackling and work ethic are fantastic, reminds me of Gibson without the rocket shot and a replacement for Fellaini would have to be Fer but to do 2 things and 2 things only (win the ball back and pass it) although I do think next season is when we NEED to give Barkley and Lundstram game time, and a goalscorer well, we all know what happens when Moyes gets a goalscorer (Jelavic, Johnson, Saha) he gives them 4 months and they score tons of goals and then after those 4 months he orders them to track back to our own penalty area everytime we don't have the ball and they become tired, or injury prone and they rarely score again.

COYB!

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20 Apr 2013 20:16:26
safc fan, come in peace, sorry we pooped your champions lge run in but it had to happen at some point that we got victory against you, I just hope it didn't feel like a dagger to the heart like last year in the fa cup against us, anyway your still a top club with top fans, proper fans from merseyside best of luck 4 the future and I hope 2 see you next season, cheers tk73 {Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

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21 Apr 2013 09:04:29
Tbh I don't think we'd have finished in the CL positions anyway. The Sunderland players were clearly more up for it than our lads were and deserved the win. They look a better team already than under the vastly over-rated O'Neill. I think Sunderland will at least be a top ten team next season.
Too many of our lads not looking up for it but then if the manager isn't committed to the club why should we expect his players to be.

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20 Apr 2013 18:30:07
all right lads we may not have won but hey with european football things could be worst yea it would be nice to be in europe BUT we have a thin squad and we would be where newcastle would bring 5-6 players this summer and 5-6 the next then what we have 12 players? even with fringes going out we will have have a good squad and then we could be competing for europe every season at least we know now that we have what it takes just a bit more strength in depth and there we are in the top 4 and we have something to play for still spurs lose we can still qualify for europa and can finish above liverpool all hope is not lost fellow evertonians!. :) Pakistani Blue

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20 Apr 2013 17:42:49
We bottled it again, if Moyes was looking for reasons to go he has one now, Just not good enough!

Several players need moving on, Osman (carrying an injury) but cash in while we can, Jelavic has the potential but again let's get some money in, Heitinga - useless let's get what we can and give Duffy a chance till the end of the season.

In total we should receive at least 12m for the 3 and bring in 2 decent attacking minded players.

Blue Monk

What are you thoughts Ed? {Ed025's Note - your a bit harsh monk, we gave it a good shot, but it just was not to be mate..

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20 Apr 2013 17:20:25
That's it then, no european football for us next season.
Moyes will go now and probably several first team players as well.
Couple that with that stupid new badge and I'm dreading next season already.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum? Not anymore folks.

Doctor Jimmy {Ed025's Note - get a grip jimbo

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