Everton Banter Archive June 01 2018

01 Jun 2018 21:31:24
I think all the negative posters need to take a look at their posts. It's not what we need abdcreflects mood in Goodison last season. If you moan all season then maybe should find another site / team. It's actually boring reading what seems a 5,000 word assignment which goes on and on. Fair enough question some things but don't labour the point over and over and over again.

I'm really up for it and will be screaming come 3pm first game of season getting right behind the mighty blues.

Ed's - can we not put a word limit on some of these posts?

{Ed025's Note - i dont think articles are a bad thing sobs but of course i would like to hear more positive stuff, maybe if we hit the ground running them long posts will be of praise and not trepidation and then be fun to read mate..

02 Jun 2018 00:09:37
It is funny but when fans are happy we do not say much or go on phone in's, sometimes I think we just love a good moan it is part of being a football fan especially an Evertonian.

02 Jun 2018 11:30:20
Once the signings start coming in and the club move a few on the posts should pick up. Well hopefully.

01 Jun 2018 17:44:53
In the past 5 years where we have chopped and changed our managers, I can honestly say this is the first appointment that has got me excited. I’m confident he’ll do great things with us. For all those fans pointing to him not being good enough for having a relegation on his CV then what is Klopp? Relegated with Mainz and had Dortmund in the relegation zone too, only for a late season turnaround. Just get behind the man, who knows, you might actually enjoy the ride.

I will also say this, now that a new manager has come in, everyone is on a clean slate for me. There are obviously players that need to be moved on but last season is a thing of the past and I’m not holding any grudges against players based on last season. They all need a fresh start under a new gaffer.

Can’t wait for when the season starts, hopefully a strong first 5 games and it will do wonders for our confidence. I’ll be like a kid on Christmas morning when the fixture list comes out in a fortnight to see what aways I can get to.

Up the blues.

01 Jun 2018 17:58:17
That is the best post today mate. I want 40000 people like you Sat at Goodison with me next season bud. 👍.

01 Jun 2018 18:47:18
Good post bitter blue and a positive outlook.

01 Jun 2018 18:18:04
I will be there.

01 Jun 2018 19:35:18
You will not be surprised to read that I disagree with Silva's appointment and yes my opinion based on his failure in the Premiership at both Clubs he has managed. If the bloke is so good why have the Club spent weeks bigging him up the latest roping in Phil Jagielka to do a PR job on him. It just does not add up. I will of course, as I did with Martinez, Unsworth (will not have a bad word for the lad) , Koeman and Allardyce always support the Club and those they appoint.

01 Jun 2018 20:09:21
You'll pick anything to have a go at him won't you DFS?

Whats next? Top button open on his shirt? Doesn't shout enough? Sits funny on his seat?

Have your reservations but I'd leave out the petty stuff mate. You're sounding desperate.

By the way every club in the world will have players coming out in SUPPORT of the new manager.

01 Jun 2018 21:10:13
Don't be personal BJU. No need for it. Opinions are just that opinions. I have made it a point of never being personal in my opinion and have stressed at every point that my comment (s) are not such thing.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think hes being that personal to be honest DFS, he is wondering why you are being so negative when the rest of us are prepared to give the guy a chance mate, i dont know what your trying to achieve with this character assassination of marco before you have seen what he has to offer, maybe you want to be the one who said"i told you so" if things go tits up but whatever it is you come across as the elephant in the room im afraid..

01 Jun 2018 21:34:22
No probs Ed25.

01 Jun 2018 22:14:26
BitterBlue, a great post that mate, it's how everybody should look at things. If I was an Everton fan I'd be really chuft right now, to the negative people, change was needed and change has happened.

What more do you want? You are finally moving in the right direction with a manager who can bring success, believe me he can, but he needs you fans behind him as well. Slating him from day one is no way to be, he hasn't managed a single game for you yet and some of you are already against him? I find that a bit daft to be honest.

01 Jun 2018 23:50:25
Sorry DFS but don't take what I say personally, ever. I don't know you from Adam and it's your view that I am responding to. You are probably the nicest guy in the world.

I get the caution over his career but I just see things in a different way. I see a good job at Hull in very difficult circumstances. He had only 12 or 13 players there and sold his best to get a couple in to make a difference. He almost pulled it off. It was the worst squad in EPL history. Take a look back and see what happened at Hull that season. It was so badly run.

At Watford he was doing brilliant until we jumped in with both feet.

At his club's before that he was hugely successful, massive.

You can pick holes in any career but what's the use. I want to go to the game and see us shoot again! Never mind score or win! He likes his teams like I like my teams with a high press and to play attractive attacking football. It's what I grew up with. It's what we won trophies with.

That's all mate. Probably no different to you. Let's just see, even if we have our doubts, if he can do it. You never know.

02 Jun 2018 00:34:27
I'm with the Ed, Bitter Blue and Salah on this one. I'm sorry DFS bit, if you can't get behind the appointment go find somewhere else. Silva and Brands will make mistakes - we all do. But if they are going in the right direction we don't need 'twisted' souls shouting I told you so from day one.


Get in, behind the team, the team or go. You'd be told this in any walk of life be it work, the military, family. Stop being the black sheep and try and enjoy life for a change.

02 Jun 2018 03:22:53
Sorry
Blue John Uns not Bitter Blue.

02 Jun 2018 11:29:10
Look at Alex Ferguson, couldn't win to save his life at first, then along came the young boys and the rest is history, from what I've read he was a game away from being fired, now we have to let the manager come in, do his things, he will no what needs to be done with players, but he won't be able to change the team in one go, he will need time .

02 Jun 2018 11:25:10
bw2412, I don't agree with the negativity of DFS, this is a time for a clean slate, but telling him he should stop supprorting Everton just because you don't share his view is out of order he has as much right to his opinion and to support the team he loves as you do.

02 Jun 2018 11:32:19
Everyone should be happy and keep remembering these 5 words.
Allardyce has left the building.

01 Jun 2018 09:17:55
Ed 25 u happy with silva I am got to admit wasn't my first choice. But he plays good football nearly kept hull up. Remember watching olympicos v arsenal champions leauge which they beat arsenal 3 2 which very average players. He properly already watched everton since February so hopefully he know squad who he wants and doesn't want think you see more out door then in. He clear wage bill first rooney williams besic robles will go along with others can see morgan going if we bring carvahlo in. Now time get his old Hull song going.

{Ed025's Note - im very happy with silva bretto, things may change of course but im excited for next season mate..

01 Jun 2018 21:30:01
We always are excited Ed025 but what us (older than most) older ones do not say is that our excitement is tempered with caution. I am currently getting castigated (some personal but that is bye the bye) left right and centre for my opinion on the appointment of Marco Silva but I hold to it. It does not take to much scrutiny to deduce that recent appointments appear to have been made on a hunch or shall we say bad advice. Martinez based on an FA Cup Win (yes that is what BK said) , Koeman (who knows but all of his appointments have been made on his player reputation) , who even with the shortest of CV scrutiny could not be justified. Now Marco Silva, his Premiership (granted short) tenure just does not hold water. It really does beggar belief. I love this Club and have supported them man and boy for the best part of 60 years. I have literally seen it all but have to stress despite it all of course I will back and support whatever leadership team the Club deem fit. Not for me, the banners or boo's or bile spat at the Management Team, players and board when things go awry but I will have my say via such media as these HYS and defend the right of everyone to do so.

{Ed025's Note - i can see your point to a degree DFS but that seems to be the way the modern supporter thinks, you and i who are of similar age should be the ones giving hope to these microwave supporters as we were there when the good times rolled, all i want is for us to give the guy a shot and if it goes awry then that is the time to moan mate..

01 Jun 2018 21:51:03
Cheers Ed025, you and would you be surprised to learn Ed002 have been among my favourites (hasten to add the rest of the Ed's do a fantastic job, as the saying goes, 'I could not do your job') . However, I think as others before me have said and indeed done, for me enough is now enough. I shall enjoy reading the various opinions on this HYS and others but reading is all that I shall do.

{Ed025's Note - thats a shame mate as i respect you as a poster and enjoy most of your posts, have a think about it and not make any snap decisions yet or have a short break if that helps...good luck what ever you decide my friend..

02 Jun 2018 03:34:45
DFS I totally respect your right to your opinion and have enjoyed hearing it from you in the past
BUT you say in your post above

I will back and support whatever leadership team the Club deem fit.

Where is that backing and support?
You were perfectly entitled to voice your doubts before the announcement but the club has 'deemed fit' to appoint Silva. It's time for you to start backing and supporting.
Don't stop posting but stop fighting old battles and get behind the club I know you (and I) love.

01 Jun 2018 13:19:39
Eds, what are your views on Celtic's Dembele, and are you aware of any overtures made by Everton?
Am a big fan, think he's more than capable of making the move south.

{Ed007's Note - He's a cracking player and is only going to get better. I don't know of any Everton interest now but there was for the January window when you were sniffing about and asked ex-Celtic scout David Moss for his advice/opinion.
He's got two years left on his current deal and Celtic would like him to extend it (I think that's only to make sure if he stays another season he won't be going into the final year) but I would be surprised if he would see Everton a viable option without CL football.
Dembele and his advisers seem to have their feet on the ground and he won't just move for money, any club that has shown interest or spoke to him have been put off by his demands of guaranteed first-team football, that's why Celtic managed to sign him over EPL clubs when he left Fulham, we told him he would be the main man for us.}

01 Jun 2018 18:42:03
Think he would be a star in our new attacking team. We should be attractive to players of his quality age and ambition. Think batshayui would be a amazing signing should go all out for one of them two.

01 Jun 2018 18:49:06
he won't join a smaller club.

01 Jun 2018 14:51:31
Thanking you kindly Bond, James Bond (gawd, that's weak, I'll see myself out) .

Refreshing to hear there are young players out there willing to sacrifice cash for love of the game, then again I doubt he's penniless. just out of interest any idea what he's on cash-wise?

{Ed007's Note - Don't worry that's better patter than Ed025's :) Dembele won't be on great wages up here compare to what he was offered in England our top players are 'only' on £25-30k p.w and as far as I know Dembele is in the £18-22k bracket but there is supposedly bonuses on top of that.}

01 Jun 2018 10:56:49
While I love all our new found optimism I can't help but smile at all the posters saying we must be patient and give them time to build a successful team. That's all well and good in June but fans of every club forget all about that the first time they go 4 games without a win and lose 4 0 to a top 6 side. We said the same when Koeman arrived and look how quickly patience went out the window. That being said I am just the same as everyone else but at the age of 63 perhaps I have learned to be more patience than our younger fans as Everton have given me lots of practise over the last 60 years.

01 Jun 2018 11:11:56
I don't think that it is defeats that exasperate. It is more the failure to learn from mistakes and the repitition of those mistakes. For example, Koeman would pick an obviously unbalanced side. It would struggle. He would make early changes and it would improve. Next game he would pick an unbalanced side and so the cycle went on. It's that which upsets fans.

01 Jun 2018 11:16:12
It is what it is Ricktee. If fans had their own way in 1984 we wouldn’t have had the most successful period in our clubs history. We will always be impatient. I’m probably one of the worst. I’m impatient before the game because I want to see the team sheet, impatient during the game because I want to see goals for, impatient half time for my pie and pint, impatient after the game with the traffic. I want everything now and I’m not even the youth of today!

Football has made me impatient, intolerant and in trouble with Mrs ace. I LOVE IT 😍.

01 Jun 2018 12:03:53
I actually think it is us old codgers that are the least patient on this site - me included.

01 Jun 2018 07:22:39
Well here it is the 1st June we have our new manager, Brands officily starts work today (though I'm sure he's been working behind the scenes since we got him) and the new board members are in place.
I'm very happy with all the appointments if they all gel we have a fantastic future ahead, of course it will take time and that's what we need to give them we need to get behind everyone now and support our great club back to were it belongs.
We need to let Brands and Silva build a team we can be proud of ( including Seamus as Captain) there may be a few blips on the way but we need to forget any negativity now, we've got we wanted in Sam going and I'm sure they have both looked at the squad and have decided already were to strengthen and who we can release.
I'm looking forward to the summer now and can't wait for the first game back at Goodison (Valencia I think) so we can show our support and let them know we are behind them on what they are trying to achieve.

01 Jun 2018 09:56:28
Get in Lee. I can't wait for all this to start. I'm excited with the new structure and to see how they do.

You're bang on now with getting behind this team. No matter what happened this summer supporting whoever is there was so important. We have to shed this old skin and come back this new season with optimism and hope. Every team that succeeds is when you are all pulling together.

As long as we see an improvement in the footballing side and progress being made then we should back this manager, staff and players.

COYB IMWT ISWT IBWT NSNO.

01 Jun 2018 12:38:19
Two excellent posts. I’m proper up for the season ahead.

COYB. Better not Bitter.

01 Jun 2018 15:06:19
I feel like a teenager again. I'm sick of being in misery like the last 7 months and while we have some good news I'm going to bloody enjoy it.

What's the use in continuing to moan when if we allow ourselves to dream little we might just get a little happiness.

If it doesn't work out we can always go back to being miserable bastards again.

COYB. Better not bitter (Get that hash tagged mate)

01 Jun 2018 18:44:53
I'm still devastated about SA not being here next season, oh wait that was just a nightmare, looking forward to next season and a fitter better more attack minded Everton.

01 Jun 2018 07:05:21
So Watford who have had 7 managers in 5 years have their nose out of joint! I cannot believe they have the audacity to say they have been treated unfairly. Loyalty is on on their agenda. Marco Silva will hopefully bring a breath of fresh air to Everton. It is Everton hierarchy that must take the blame in terms of signings. I hope he can go a step further and sustain the early impact he creates at other clubs. His biggest task will be to reduce the wage bill before getting players in. He is taking over players that are so far from his philosophy and he is going to take time.

01 Jun 2018 09:36:46
He has definitely got his work cut out for him trying to get rid of the dross and not our better players.

01 Jun 2018 09:42:44
smeggs. Quite honestly they have no legal leg to stand on. They sacked him, not us and then to justify it, they blamed our interference. This stuff goes on every Window in the football World, Agents are touting their clients all over the shop. Watford deserve nothing financial from us and if we do then I for one would be disappointed.

01 Jun 2018 00:25:57
This is great, that little bit of excitement again after what will go down as our darkest hour. Brands pulling the football strings who I've heard more about and from this last week than all Walsh's time at the club.

Let's not waste time worrying about extra costs that may be involved with Watford, or get bogged down with his relegation with hull, there in the past or non of our concern.

I feel these 2 guys have known for a while in what is football's worst kept secret, and have already a fair idea of what's needed.

I don't expect us to be pushing the top 4 anytime soon and won't be too disappointed if we don't make Europe, we need to rebuild, but as long as the team plays like a team intent on winning that's progress enough crack Europe in the season after.

01 Jun 2018 07:26:57
Turf, that is the sort of realism optimism I like. In all honesty we have been run down so badly over the last 5 years, we still rely on Moyes' defence as first choice. Baines, Jags and Coleman are undoubtedly first team first choice players. If we still had any other center halves such as Distin, Stones or indeed any of the others that came and went in his time, we would be in a far stronger position than we are now. I think you summed it up well when you said let's put off any thoughts about Europe/ top 4. let's concentrate on playing some decent attacking football. Of course you build from the back. so we do need immediate replacements for Jags and Williams. as we probably do for Baines and Mori. I won't even mention Martina. when you look at those positions and add in the lack of consistency from Kenny and Keane, you can see where one of the squad's problem lies. Add in the fact we have no left sided midfielder and as we all know. about 10 players who can play defensive mid and we know what needs doing. Yes I wish the new manager well. but I suspect it will all boil down to who we sign in the following positions: Left Back, Left Midfielder and Center Back. The rest will fall into place if we get decent players for those positions. Then it is down to luck with injuries and the rub of the green as they say. Without those signings, I suspect the new manager or indeed any manager would struggle with that squad to play attacking football. Koeman, Unsworth and Allardyce all struggled. so let's hope we sign 3 players in those key positions.

01 Jun 2018 09:55:00
We also need an additional goal scorer degsyp be it in the form of a midfielder or forward. A left sided player would be ideal. The problem we really have is how do we get rid of some of the poor performers to give us the space to add the extra players we need. Jags has a season left so we can keep him Baines a couple at most. Cole man is still in his prime. Kenny and Holgate suffered having to play in an unsettled defence so they may well come good. Mori is okay, Martina and Williams are not good enough. The problem i see it is it will be a lot easier to sell the youngsters than our experienced players which is what we don't want to be doing but may have of out of necessity. Robles and Rooney going is a start, but they are both two of our better players. Brands and Silva have a hard job ahead to try to get us to where we need to be I don't envy them at all.

01 Jun 2018 11:57:52
A centre back is a must for me. Jags will do sparingly for a season, there are question marks over Keane and Mori and Holgate could probably do with a loan out to get game time. Williams needs to go.

I agree that the left side is a worry but I think that we can afford to get a younger LB if necessary as Baines can still feature in most games.

I also think that if we need to we can get by on the wings with Lookman, Walcott, Bolasie, Vlasic and Dowell. Although if a left winger who can score and make goals becomes available I'd be happy if we snapped him up.

A striker is a must for me. We need more goals from somewhere, unless you think that Tosun can score 20 goals (which with better service is a possibility, given his shot conversion ratio)

I would also like to see a good midfielder that links defence and attack. A Moyes-era Arteta type.

The important thing in this scenario is to find a few quality players. If they are not available then I'd rather make do and mend for the most part, rather than buying mercenaries who are just along for the ride, instead of quality players who will give their all for the club we love.