Everton Banter Archive May 19 2013
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19 May 2013 23:29:36
Has Moyes leaving affected the Honda deal?
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Yes, it won't happen now
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Considering Moyes was totally in charge of transfers then yes, Moyes leaving would seriously affect the Honda deal.
Who knows though, perhaps the new manager might be interested in Honda and Moyes' other targets, or most likely, will have a new philosophy and new targets.
Basically, people still thinking about Honda, Fer and Negredo, it probably isn't going to happen anymore.
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19 May 2013 23:20:26
Its clear to see Martinez is off an I would bet my house that Everton is the destination
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That tit whelan would have blurted it out by now he can't hold his own pee
Blue60
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20 May 2013 10:04:33
Ed well done for letting Blue60's swear word pass your stringent checking
Blue60 I salute you mate as you have described Mr Wheelan in 3 letters down to a tee, spot on
Degsy
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19 May 2013 23:12:12
Good game today we were great first half playing good passing football! Chelsea were a lot stronger after the break, but we were more than a match for them! Unlucky not to get at least a point! Bring on next season!
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19 May 2013 23:21:50
Totally fed up with TV pundits and general press telling me what a superb job Moyes has done on limited resources and picking Martinez to take over. SHUT UP! You are not blues and have no interest in seeing our club progress.
Vita or Benitez!
Mushroom Man
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19 May 2013 22:44:18
The 'promotion from within' rumours are hotting up with Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson and Neville the names being bandied around. If BK is really this tight and oblivious to fans desires we might as well give up now. When was the last 'promotion from within' success in the Premier League? Ermm. I can't help but think of Sammy Lee at Bolton - disaster.
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19 May 2013 21:22:31
Pereira will look to sign benfica left back melgarejo as a replacement for baines if he leaves
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19 May 2013 20:01:30
Shardow Christian Atsu has been dropped from the FC Porto squad for the final league game at Pacos de Ferreira on Sunday. Hopefully he's packing his suitcase ready to fly into John Lennon with his boss morrow morning!
Mushroom Man
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19 May 2013 21:09:51
I must admit I've doubted Naismith with good reason this season on right mid, and today has proven my point. he had a good game and scored. Now. if he done that today then he must be doing something right to start ahead of Big Vic and Jelavic on Moyes' last game! So my question is. why wasn't he given the opportunity earlier to start a game upfront?
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19 May 2013 20:59:31
I see Kenwright has hinted at the type of manager he will bring in, from his comment "Everton has a type, a very hard working industrial football club" then I will be truly shocked if the likes of Pereira and Girard are brought in.
More along the lines of McKay, Stubbs etc. This is a shame, I fear we won't get the attractive attacking football we crave, we need that next level, the next phase in Everton's progression hinges on Kenwright choosing the right man
Big few days ahead for the blues, let's hope he chooses wisely
Alex
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I'm not saying I disagree Alex, but from what I've read, Pereira is known as a very hard working professional, and is famed in Portugal for instilling a very high work rate in his teams.
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19 May 2013 21:58:30
AJ is right mate. one of Perieras players stated he works them harder than any other manager
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'Everton has a type' my backside!
What a load of balony from kenwright
He's obviously made up his mind on an unstylish grafter and now wants to sell that to us like it's our industrial tradition - what a load of crap - prepare yourself for a massive let down
Kenwright is useless and he got lucky with moyes - now he hasn't a clue what to do so will take moyes advice and put some no mark in the job
Prepare for the bad old days again : (
(And there was Benitez practically asking for the job)
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20 May 2013 00:20:31
Well quite often the hardest working players have been the most skilled.
For example, Zola and he's a classic rags to riches player.
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When Kenwright says Everton have a "type of manager"
Translated means one that is dirt cheap and won't kick up a fuss about the lack of transfer funds.
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Fair enough AJ! but I mean generally it seems we won't be attracting a good footballing manager and I feel that's what we need for the next level of progression
Alex
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19 May 2013 19:18:51
Will someone tell me what the best 3 attributes of the following players are?
Jake bidwell
Luke garbutt
Hallam hope
John lundstram
Mathew kennedy
Johan hammar
Conor mcaleny
John stones
Francisco junior
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John lundstram - definately his passing range and accuracy and he has a great shot on him when he wants I would say some of his play is like Michael Carrick or darron Gibson he sets the tempo of the game and is a great distributer of the ball
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Matthew Kennedy - his ability to dribble past players he has a fairly direct running style fairly quick and can score goals a bit like Callum mcmanaman but not as good
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Luke garbutt - attacking minded left back who is good on the over Lap has a good cross and free kick and good defensively
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Francisco junior - skilful can make play, can score a cracking goal and although he's really short standing at 5"4 or 5"5 he battles well and will put in a good tackle
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Hardly anyone could tell you unless they watched the under 21s or under regularly. or in the case of bidwell or Forshaw who you forgot about. unless you got a Brentford season ticket you wouldn't know, by all accounts though there doing well. Its a myth mate moyes brings on the youth, he doesn't he gets shut of them to play his usual suspects. or if you upset him like velios was reported to have done its end of.
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Conor mcaleny - pace and finishing
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19 May 2013 21:11:51
Adan forshaw doesn't play for us anymore mate he went permenatly
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20 May 2013 00:23:59
the best three attributes are 1 they are Everton players 2 they are young and 3 they no longer have Moyes as their manager
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19 May 2013 18:58:28
Was the tv post match interviewer aware of some 'connection' when he asked both rafa and moyes the same question about whether they would be facing each other next year? It was an odd question to connect them in that way.
Rafa gave a weird smile when giving his ambiguous answer and moyes swerved it too. Hmmm. Rafa would be great because he's a top level winner, which is what we need.
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19 May 2013 18:11:56
Thank you David Moyes for the past 11 years. Thank you, Everton team for some terrfic football this season. 11 years of progress that would be characterised as steady albeit slow. So now, which way to jump? Next Mnagaer from within or outwith? Need the constancy for continued progression.
But I want European matches and for that, someone who has managed at that level. For me, the next manager has to be European with a Nr 2 from within. Hope it falls this way. Oh and please bring on some of our young bright players. They will surprise you! I love you Everton as do my son, daughter and granddaughter (and she lives in France!). COYB
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19 May 2013 18:11:17
Good luck to moyes, and I thank him for everything he's done, but today perfectly summed up why I'm not sad to see the back of him. 1-1, not dominating it, but definitely in control of the game and he takes off our best striker and brings on jelavic (who should have then scored 4 times), who is hopeless, and takes off Naismith (who shouldn't have started) and brings on a 5th defender. We went on to lose control of the game and lose, and its all moyes' fault. Hope the next manager doesn't play for draws against big teams and actually has some ambition.
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Naismith scored mate been out 4 two seasons with cruciate injuries, next year judge him, as for moyes done a great job but he's gone now over to the real problem kenwright,
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Best striker who anichebe? the lad is sh. te a championship player at best. two good games a year don't make you a good striker. moyes has over indulged victor for to long. if you've got any ambition to win trophies you wouldn't have him near your first team. I wouldn't pick him pudding or beef on the holler mate. I hope whoever takes over gets shut of him. apart from his strength which he very rarely uses, christ even sideshow bob luiz was bullying him off the ball today. he adds nothing, he doesn't take up positions in the box never on his toes looking to create space and loose a defender he's static all the time unless you play the ball to his feet he won't move. then again when you do he falls over waving his arms all over the place.
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Jimmy, couldn't agree more pal, possibly the most infuriating striker I've seen at our club in my 47 years, don't rate the lad one jot, and as you say, hope the new boss gets shut of him
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19 May 2013 16:52:16
Anybody take Danny Simpson on a free transfer? RW
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19 May 2013 19:09:41
Big big no still living off last season now usually you get right backs who can attack but can't defend like dani alves and sometimes you get right backs who can defend but can't attack like hibbert and simpson is a rare case he cannot attack and cannot defend (have a look at what matt jarvis did to him last season) I would not take simpson as he is awful
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We don't need another right back. waste of wage
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19 May 2013 16:16:15
Naismiths first start in his preferred position and gets on the score sheet, ed007 you might be onto something! COYB
SydneyBlue {Ed007's Note - Did you ever doubt me... :-) On second thoughts, maybe you shouldn't answer that one Sydney.}
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He's playing wide right and had been pretty poor bar the goal
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Haha in all honesty Ed from watching videos of him play for rangers I have never really doubted him or you, I have more so just been amazed that his performances for us have been so different. But you can clearly see today how much more comfortable he is playing in a more central role.
SydneyBlue {Ed007's Note - It always helps if you are playing in your natural position especially when you are trying to win over fans at a new club.}
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Very true mate, looks like he's been pushed out wide again now though.
SydneyBlue
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Mirallas hasn't been playing in his preferred position but he still managed to win over the fans. But I do think, depending on who the next manager is, him and jela might have a good season.
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Mirallas needs to play up front next season with Naismith in behind.
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19 May 2013 16:05:22
Probably nothing but Michael Laudrup is at the game today with his agent. why isn't he at his Swansea match? just heard it on radio city sport
Andy
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It's Laudrups's agent who's at the game according to tv, NOT Laudrup
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19 May 2013 15:37:46
Naismith to start ahead of Barkley in Ossie's absence. Hopefully that should remind of just how slim the chance of him starting under Moyes is, and put an end to all of these transfer rumours.
JohnAnt
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19 May 2013 15:09:58
Naismith and Anaichibe up front for us today lads Jelavic and Barkley on the bench. Negative right up to the last thank god moyes is leaving.
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Unbelievable negativity, GuernseyBlue
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19 May 2013 14:51:14
Simple maths or us Blues
If we sign Rafa or Periera we have a few bob to spend
If we recruit from inside or get Martinez we dont
This coming week will give us an idea of whether we have money available or not
Bring on Periera please Bill
Degsy
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You think we'll have someone in that quick degs? I think it could be a few weeks mate.
Joe EFC
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19 May 2013 16:24:33
I think by Tuesday Joe, just a feeling mate
Degsy
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I think your right there Degs someone more high profile will definitely demand funds where someone given the job internally will be expected to work in moyes' shadow. Bill and the board need to show some ambition.
SydneyBlue
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19 May 2013 14:25:24
Everton's new manager will be sorted after the final whistle this afternoon when Benitez says goodbye to Chelsea and signs a season long deal with Everton.
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Actually the new manager of Everton will be John Terry.
Bill Kenwright
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19 May 2013 14:21:52
Can anyone tell me how 2 watch everton on the lap top
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Wiziwig mate its got 17 channels broadcasting probly more near kickoff
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Www. thefirstrow. eu
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First row sports
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Try wiziwig decent streams
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Footballstreaming. info
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19 May 2013 14:05:15
Do Everton get into the europa league next season if Chelsea finish in a champions league spot?
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For the last time no! pkblue
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19 May 2013 13:06:15
Think Phil Neville will get the job. BK has given his biggest hint yet it's a promotion from within. Unfortunately this will not appease all Evertonians who think we need someone from the outside to take our game to next level. But, there is no reason why we can't progress if it was Neville. He's a very intelligent football person and think his opinion of how to play the game would be modern. He would not be a lump it up field manager at all. He's not our first choice for the job but if he got it, I would be feeling quite optimistic going into the season. If its a Stubbs, Ferguson or Weir, then I think we can be worried. This isn't a plea for Neville as manager, just what I think might be round the corner. So trying to see the positives. The other 3, other than raw passion for the club, I can't see many positives right now.
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I would be happy with Phil Neville if his brother was no. 2 between what a wealth of premier league experience and what great motivators they would be
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Na I wudnt if he manages how he played god help us side side ways back long punts no thanks (bluejack)
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19 May 2013 12:22:32
Listening to Kenwright talk it sounds as though he has already made his mind up to promote from within. If our next step is to push for Europe then we need a manager who has had experience of this. Don't gamble Bill please. David wants you to promote from within so that if it all goes tits up at Man U he can come running back to us. We are his fail safe. It's already been proven that good footballers don't always become good managers. So Mr Neville, not now but see you in 5 or 6 years time, because I think you have what it takes. Just need experience.
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19 May 2013 12:19:53
Hi lads
I was thinking before in a way I can't wait fr next season to see what happens we have so many good young players who've hardly had a sniff all season. I'm only 18 so moyes is all I've really ever new think move Neville on and maybe keep Ossie and hibbo for another 2 seasons max but they should only be good squad players I would love to see the likes of lundstram and Barkley and long ect brake into the first team next season cheers lewblue
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Love to see Barkley, Duffy, ludstrum, Kennedy, junior, vellios and stones given a chance COYB! Future is bright future is blue
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Long is a better prospect than vellios!
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How is George green progressing?
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George green has had an injury plagued season he has made the odd appearance for the u21s and played some u18 football but he hasn't been as impressive as other academy players who we didn't spend 1 million on still looks promising though
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19 May 2013 11:57:26
It has surprised me that Benitez seems to be showing all the signs of somebody who wants the job. The newspapers reporting on the interview he gave have interpreted it differently however his actual words seem to suggest he is waiting to be approached.
"It would be difficult for Everton to approach me and for me to take the job". This is classic reverse psychology, conveying the compliment that Everton would show bravery in the act.
"I have a lot of respect for Everton and obviously it would be difficult to go there". This is his first attempt at softening up the fan base.
"It is still my idea to join an English club but it is important I find the right one, I don't know which one that will be. There are a lot if rumours but nothing official". The only team I've heard him associated with in England is Everton.
"I am a family man and I want to stay close to where my family is (the Wirral), so I have to wait and see what happens". I don't know of too many jobs at Local teams.
"I want to compete and my next club will want a manager who can compete for something". "It would depend on the project that is the key".
Not sure if he will get the job but he obviously wants it.
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Quality post Popeye. You should be a spin doctor mate. Love it. And agree
Toffee ace.
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Don't want him but if he came here and won stuff (he's a trophy magnet) I'd forgive him
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19 May 2013 09:39:58
I am a huge Martinez fan and but it's beginning to look like he won't be the man. I think what he achieved with Wigan was miraculous, given they're a club of the size and budget of a very average championship side.
Of course they were going to get relegated eventually - they just haven't got the resources or the fanbase and they can't generate income without selling players like Valencia, Nzogbia and Moses. Look at the resources Villa, Southampton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Reading and QPR have at their disposal. When everyone was fit this season, Wigan were better than those clubs.
I can't see anyone producing better football on limited funds than Martinez. Where was Moyes when Maloney came available at a knockdown price? Where was he when McManaman was released as a sixteen year old?
Martinez deserves a shot with a bigger club than Wigan but I suspect he'll be off back to Spain and that will be a shame for the Premier League.
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Does he need boat fare, or would he like a lift to the airport, anything to keep this man away from our club.
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Martinez behaved like WAFC were on the brink of CL football next season instead of the Championship! (iceberg? what iceberg? )
He fooled Whelan into thinking he was the luckiest and probably the shrewdest chairman in the PL!
He (Whelan) is now just another chairman who made a reckless and naive business plan!
When it's a cold and wet November Saturday and the WAFC fans have to travel to a non- exciting mid table clash in the Championship, I wonder if he will rue this seasons extravagant approach to to playing a league fit for the very best players in the world?
Let Roberto get them back up, it's the least he can do now!
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19 May 2013 09:02:35
seen ross barkley fri night at his birds in huyton asked him the score about the new manager and he said moyes rates cardiff manager very highly mckay. I said what u think aboutr martinez, his reply was bainsey raves high on him but thinks they try and get mckay. mckay 10/1 might be worth a sly tenner
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Why would baines rave about martinez. he has never managed bains in his life. he left wigan before he took over
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19 May 2013 07:09:02
Wish everyone would stop panicking. This is our club showing dignity yet again. we won't approach �nyone till season ends Which is the right way to go about things. We can take it �s read that there is work going o. behind the scenes and all will become Clear after todays games
Lets show some trust in the BK and board and get behind theclub. Not everyo e will be happy with their choice only time will tell but the club need us on their side. we are not Chelsea we are EVERTON
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19 May 2013 02:28:58
Hi guys, I'm back
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19 May 2013 02:27:27
Felli to united and heisting a galatasaray for about £30million total, not sure about wages, would a move for Rooney be possible, he's always said he wants to return to Goodson
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19 May 2013 00:21:28
Am I right in saying that we go on at the RS supporters for 'living in the past'?
Why don't these fans want Benitez? Is it because he managed the RS? Is it because he called us a 'small club'? If so, take a minute to think. aren't you contradicting yourself?
Look. I want the best for my beloved Blues, preferably without an ex red making it happen, but if it is then it is. That's life.
I for one can say if Benitez comes in I will support him. I may not be 'celebrating like we've appointed Pep Guardiola', but I really won't be going 'f**k of Benitez'.
It's time for some fans to get real and put the Club's future first instead of the 'pride'.
Do you want success or the same old trophy-less decades knowing that we still don't have an ex red in charge.
Sometimes you have to swallow your 'pride'
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Agree totally. And if Rafa was appointed I am sure he would have a few quotes that we would like because he would be on our side then.
Its a similar argument to the groundshare are we to proud (or stupid) to share a stadium with Liverpool to increase revenue NO! But they are.
Are we to proud (or stupid) to have a ex manager of our rivals if he can improve us and be a success to take us to the next level. NO! But they probably would.
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Don't just count the few trophies he has won, look at his history before wishing on the devil!
Won at the reds with houlliers team, then brought in a load of crap sub standard players on silly wages, hence he got pushed out. Sacked from last 2 jobs, one which he said needed massive investment to win anything, but that team had just won everything under a certain Mr mourinhio. Can not hold on to his current job, and ok, he won a trophy, look at the team he had, don't take much to win with a team that good. The man is so over rated its unreal, he will run us down for sure, stay away, simples.
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Its because the man is incapable of doing a job without a significant budget. You take a look at his job at Liverpool, he had nearly 60-70mil more net spend (difference between money spent on transfers and money made from transfers) than United did, and United won 3 PL title as opposed to 0 to Liverpool.
He nearly ran Liverpool to the ground with his reckless spending, and transfer efficiency is one of the top priorities for the next Everton manager. And for that reason I am out.
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I could see rafa getting us a cup or 2
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Out of the people linked eg martinez, lennon, mckay ect benitez is by far the best manager out there we could get, plus we don't have to pay compensation for him. he's won trophies everywhere (except inter I think)i am nowhere near his biggest fan but I would take him before any of the above
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Kevin Sheedy. Peter Beardsley. Gary Ablett. shall I go on. We can't afford to be too precious otherwise it could be back to the dark days of Walter Smith. My only reservation is that if Rafa was to come and did well with us, then at some point, will he be heading back over the park? (Wavertree Blue)
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Spot on Keith
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For me it isn't the RS connection it was the funds he spent on wasteful transfers while there. We cannot afford that. He needs to stay at a club that can provide resource and where bad transfer decisions would not cripple the finances.
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To the 2nd reply: I wasn't going on about how he's 'won loads of cup', etc. At no point do I mention he's a superb manager with a superb history or whatever you thought I might be. I was simply saying he should be given a chance by the supporters if appointed.
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And I was simply saying as have others, that he should not because he is crap, look at his history, he would kill us, with great big smiles from the dark side, as one poster said, I'm out!
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Gents on the wasteful transfers. beatie, klodrup (however its spelt) beckford, bilyaletdanov (arguably played out of position), van der meyde. my point is all managers waste dosh. SAF bought veron, hargreaves, chelski/mourinho bought plenty too. including shevchenko, corespondent. etc. The point is the amount of waste depends on the size if the purse. No doubt any incoming manager will make the same mistakes. Jlaff
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