Everton Banter Archive January 19 2015

19 Jan 2015 23:47:56
I was slagged off before but I'll say it again. if man city want to give us 50m for Barkley then take it now. we have to do something before it really is too late. and after what Mirallas did today i'll the drive the "up his own arse" person to Tottenham or wherever it is he wants to go, myself. Of course West Brom clearly only came for a point but FFS we are Everton and should have ripped them to pieces. What BK should realise is managers and players will always come and go but us fans will always be Evertonians. save our club now

{Ed025's Note - 50m??...i would take 5m right now..

19 Jan 2015 23:29:08
After last weeks debacle losing out on penalties to the hammers low & behold mirallas misses another spot kick against pullis ale house WBA lol.
Martinez must have known pullis game plan same as it was when he was palace manager who collected 3 precious points & Goodison last season.
Talk about being naive but again continued in same vein no plan b whatsoever.
I really fear 4 us their confidence is rock bottom can't buy a scrappy win anywhere.
Doesn't take a lot of working out with only 3 victories @ home all season were really struggling for form & right in the scrap @ bottom now.
Who in their right mind will want to sign 4 us in Jan the way were playing.
I've already given my Derby ticket to my nephew just can't face it know what's coming.
I fully expect us to be in bottom 3 after the Derby & if Martinez is still in charge after that then there's no hope.

19 Jan 2015 23:13:09
Sorry just watched the interviews again and really feel it was awkward for Naismith but he and RM have mugged us off with the explanation of the penalty incident!

{Ed025's Note - im ok with that wakka...so long as he gets a roasting behind closed doors..

Sorry Ed025 just can't picture RM roasting anyone!

{Ed025's Note - a good finger wagging then wakka.. :)

19 Jan 2015 23:01:34
Sky rated Besic as our best player and what does RM do? I must admit I have seen some bad times over the years, but the difference from then to now is that the players back then were not really that good. These players are, but the leadership isn't there. That worries me most. If you have n leaders on the pitch players will hide and shy away from the ball. I hate to say it but we need a Roy Keane type to bollock players there on the pitch. He would have sent a rocket up Ross arse, but would have made him a better player for it. Ranting now cause I'm getting to emotional. Another night without any sleep.

{Ed025's Note - join the club mate..

19 Jan 2015 22:47:17
That's it. I am off to kick the dog. Punch the wife and open a bottle of domestos to drink.

{Ed025's Note - hey...leave that dog alone!.. :)

I'll join you in the domestos, Not brave enough to take on the wife and the dog is a German Shepherd that has an attitude like Mo Besic.

{Ed025's Note - love it wedge..

20 Jan 2015 00:08:29
If your anything like mirallarse then the dog is safe because you'll miss it.

19 Jan 2015 22:39:49
Really don't think we will get relegated but must admit that it's the 1st time I have seen it as a possibility.
It's also the 1st time that I have thought a change of management might be for the best. I Just can't see the logic in his substitutions and persistence to play 2 dm's.
He won't get sacked though so will continue to support the club I love and just hope mirrales never plays for us again. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, have always thought he was selfish and in it for himself. Reminds me a lot of a poorer ronaldo. He's talented but I never want any of these arrogant players who thinks everything is about them playing for everton.

{Ed025's Note - i said similar before the game HB...

19 Jan 2015 23:01:16
Anyone else having the knee-jerk reaction that we should get rid of Mirallas now for as much money as possible - before he runs down his contract and leaves for nothing at the end of next season?

{Ed025's Note - yes..me..

19 Jan 2015 22:33:31
Are there any strong characters at our club? Martinez hasn't got the bottle to criticise our players; Bill hasn't got the bottle to sack him. Our captain doesn't exactly seem to motivate the team very well and Ross Barkley plays less attacking football than Joel. It is now becoming a farce and highly embarrassing. Martinez out

{Ed025's Note - yep..

19 Jan 2015 22:28:39
Apologies guys.apparently p. mcnultys tweet was from a fake account. so not true.

{Ed025's Note - shame that....i wish he did get a belt..

19 Jan 2015 22:22:06
Get Martinez out now so there is time to sign players. We have no strong characters in our dressing room so it seems

{Ed025's Note - yep..

19 Jan 2015 22:20:32
No ratings, but haha, mirallas can go, missing on purpose trying to seal a move, arrogant person. Barkley is the worst player I have ever seen play for everton, I actually want cleverley now, he's a useless and lazy twonk and I hope he never plays for us again. Martinez needs to go as he hasn't got a clue and must play s*x games with barkley. End of the line, we ARE going down and I hope mirallas falls flat on his face when he leaves, he's let everyone down tonight, leave and never come back you horrible piece of crap, i'm really angry, even the most optimistic of fans have to admit we are in a relegation fight if we are lucky and everyone that has showed no fight and that goes for howard, coleman, distin, baines, barry, barkley, pienaar, mirallas, mcgeady and martinez get out of this club NOW. they've all ruined any love they have from me, would the real everton please stand up.

{Ed025's Note - yep..

Don't know how you can put baines on that list.

{Ed025's Note - i thought he was very poor tonight HB..

Yeah but ed can't accuse him of showing no fight. He wasn't at his best but still give 100 per cent.

{Ed025's Note - he had fight HB...but wheres the quality gone..the overlap, the whipped in crosses, the corners?..effort will only get you so far in this league mate..

Poor because of the tactics. We try to play through the conjested middle all the time. On the few occasions where Coleman or Baines get the ball out wide, it is when their fullbacks are supported by their wide midfielders.whoever we are playing. This is because we want to play it around before getting it forwards. Hence 69% possession but no penetration.

Totally agree, I would give garbutt a chance but my response was in regards to swan saying that Baines isn't giving all is heart, which he can never be accused of.

{Ed025's Note - fair enough..

Baines delivery was poor - and has been for most of this season.
Barkley was totally ineffective tonight.
Mirallas? If he'd scored from the penalty kick and we'd got the victory, then he'd be a hero - but he didn't, and we again failed to win, and he isn't!
Joel had nothing to do - thankfully, or we might not have even got one point.
Our other players were OK in parts imho, but - for all their possession and occasional flurries of urgency - we failed to create (let alone convert!) any half-decent chances.
Thank goodness that WestBrom clearly came for the draw - any other team with more ambition would have probably turned us over. Does anyone think we'll get anything in our next two fixtures: away to Palace or home to the darkside? I fear two clueless displays and two inevitable defeats. Then we'll be well and truly down in the relegation mire!

{Ed025's Note - thats the beauty of this game sid...im going for us to scrape a win at palace, and give the reds a damn good thrashing.. :)

19 Jan 2015 22:19:34
Sorry RM I cannot believe your explanation Gary Neville is spot on! even If he was confident he shouldn't have taken it if he had a hamstring injury, even Sunday players know that
There's no leadership! on or off the pitch!

{Ed025's Note - yep..

19 Jan 2015 22:08:52
I don't care if I'm branded fickle. That was the most disappointing performance I've seen for a long time. Not disappointing because of our lack of control on the game, but because of the lack of chances we make. Everybody in the box waiting for a cross, what do we do? Pass it 57 times around the outside and then surrender possession. Enough is enough. Besic was our best player tonight, he gets subbed, but Barry stays on? Unbelievable. The players look scared to shoot, for fear of losing the ball. If we would've actually had a few shots, we may have won the game there, there were so many ripe opportunities not taken. And the less said about Mirallas, the better. This was the last straw for me, Martinez surely has to go. Replacements? I'd go for Slaven Bilić - former player, okay he did have some issues off the field, but surely coming back as a manager, he can atone for them? In the meantime I worry for our club. I was fortunate enough to be too young to see the mike walker days, but from what I've heard, this isn't much better. Unbelievable

{Ed025's Note - yep..

Ed can you honestly see any way out of this? I don't know what's happening to our club

{Ed025's Note - only if we act now bloo..

19 Jan 2015 22:06:22
I am sure there will be lots of posts on here tonight and here is one from the heart. We look like we are going down. I have had a few spats with people in the past regarding how poor Martinez is after Moyes. The players we have signed have been poor. I have no pleasure saying that I predicted nil nil to my son after reading posts of winning 2 1 and other scores. Our play is so slow and one dimentional. Again 69% possession but precious few chances. No real width and certainly no crosses from overlapping full backs. All the work Moyes did getting us with so many goals and assists from the full backs has gone. Neither Baines nor Coleman are there when central midfielders are breaking out. Unfortunately the problem must lie with the manager and I don't see how the penalty decision was allowed to develop.ie Mirallas taking it. The captain or senior players should have stopped Mirallas taking it. I really think we are going down now. The reason I think this is because I don't think we are flexible enough to try different tactics. My final point is Osman played in 4 of our 5 wins. He played in only 1 loss. We need him back asap. Think about that .20 odd games in and only 1 win without Osman.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think this is the time for i told you so,s mate..

Id be suprised if we see osman back mate

19 Jan 2015 22:25:23
OH SHUT UP!

Like I said Ed.no pleasure whatsoever on this. Just been watching Carragher and Neville on Sky and they said exactly the same re the penalty. I think RM is not in control of this bunch of players. I have never been one to say "sack the manager" but we need a Pulis type character to get hold of these players, organise them into a bunch of hard working, aggressive, fighting team. Listening to Pulis on Sky, he says he is trying to bring in a few to help the fight. RM says we have enough. We play with incredible spirit and by the sounds of it.don't need Eto'o. We can all relax then!

{Ed025's Note - i agree with that degs...but its the wrong time to bring out the osman and moyes are great pony fella..

Sorry Ed, but I really believe it. Would you be saying it if we were discussing Ronaldo or Messi? You must admit now that we HAVE gone backwards. Even RM suggested we are missing Ossie and Pienaar. But I have to agree with another post from earlier. Why play Barkley just behind the striker, Naismith as the right sided midfielder and Mirallas on the left? Thus leaving Oviedo on the bench. Surely it should have been Mirallas on the right, Naismith behind Lukaku (his best position) and Oviedo on the left. It goes back to round pegs in round holes.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that degsy..my only problem is you banging the ossie and moyes drum at this sensitive time mate..

19 Jan 2015 22:03:28
Never really been one for getting rid of managers, well not since Walker. But seriously the decisions this guy is making are crazy. We are playing a team that can't be arsed to cross the half way line, and we still stick with two defensive midfielders, one of which can only last 30mins. And in any other team Ross would have been dropped by now. God we are so bloody slow. Ruined my bloody birthday ggggg.

{Ed025's Note - happy birthday mate..

19 Jan 2015 22:02:26
Two things:
Why didn't Jagielka take the ball off Miralles, and tell him to F off
Why take of Besic instead of Barkley.

One more: Bye bye Roberto

{Ed025's Note - because jags is weak..

So now we know there is a problem a couple of problems actually, Roberto has lost the dressing room (discipline) and a couple of players are getting to big for their boots. Where is Roberto by the way talking to the press, why leave it to Naismith.

19 Jan 2015 22:01:30
Enough is enough. Please bill end this shambles. No penetration no unity no passion. With every passing game no wins and yet the same after match drivel from the manager. Do it now bill bafore its too late.

{Ed025's Note - yep..

19 Jan 2015 21:58:33
For everyone still supporting this clueless clown or singing his name, the tonight should be a lesson for you.

That tonight is as good as we can play, and we did not create one single opportunity, we looked directionless and lacked creativity, there was a lack of movement, organisation and leadership, this was emplified by 'want a away kev' breaking club protocol and pre match tactics (that's of there actually are any) and taking the penalty, at that stage either the captain, manager or one of the senior players should've stepped in, I can only imagine what occurred in the dressing room at half time for kev to be sub'ed. we are in deep deep trouble, if the rot is not stopped now I guarantee we will be relegated.

furious and angry tonight at how far our great club has be dragged down!!

{Ed025's Note - and me mate..

19 Jan 2015 21:56:03
Right i'm done with RM now! sack sack sack him! call me a false fan or whatever! the teams clearly not happy.

{Ed025's Note - im wih you lancer..

19 Jan 2015 21:49:44
Well one things for sure. We ain't going to attract any top talent if they're watching tonight's performance. Never looked like a threat even on the attack. And the discontent in the squad is there for all to see.

With a single striker every time the ball was played to Lukaku there were 4 men on him in seconds.

Unless there's a change of management we need to look to the loan market for some options.

And anichebe. Well he hasn't changed since he left has he. Still a busy fool.

Hopes for the season are now solely 1 thing. Stay in the premiership. Which sould be easy for a squad with this talent but we're not making it easy for ourselves are we.

{Ed025's Note - no..

19 Jan 2015 21:45:06
. I can hear Bobby now -"we we outstanding.we actually kept a clean sheet, well done to my players!"

Will probably add it was tactical for Baines not to take the penalty.

Absolute rubbish. Have sky cameramen got instructions not to focus on Kenwright.

19 Jan 2015 21:39:26
Besic off ahead of Barry again. Roberto is a person end of. Lost our best player through his dog excrement as well. Running our club in to the ground. How long before full on fan revolt?

{Ed025's Note - not long..

19 Jan 2015 21:38:48
Really besic off, I think RM has really lost his head, bye bye matey enjoy your early holiday to spain

19 Jan 2015 21:37:32
Seriously?? That has upset me I think I may start a petition to get martinez out, besic was brilliant Barry should of come off, disgusting

{Ed025's Note - im as sick as a sea going parrot mate..

19 Jan 2015 21:23:15
2 things. 1) boy, west Brom can defend! 2) Mo Besic is outstanding, a future world footballing star, forget Barkley - sell him for 50 million & laugh all the way yo the bank & build the team around Besic, he us simply outstanding!

{Ed025's Note - 50m...hahaha...turkish lira?..

. drachma seems more fitting! Seriously though ed, Barkleys been utter tosh again!

{Ed025's Note - tell me about it mate..

19 Jan 2015 21:04:55
Well that tells us everything about team spirit. Looks like certain players leaving won't be missed by the rest?

{Ed025's Note - it looks that way WB..

19 Jan 2015 20:59:32
What Dross, what's going on the penalty, should have been for Bains, the other players are not happy.

{Ed025's Note - neither am i GB..

19 Jan 2015 20:56:14
Wtf was that Mirallas manufacturing a move or is he desperate to do well for the team?

{Ed025's Note - hes just a total prick wakka..

19 Jan 2015 20:52:41
WTF is going on? Baines scores 15 out of 16 penalties, so Mirallas takes over from him in probably our most important game this season.
Is that a managers decision?

{Ed025's Note - no degs its kevs....hes up himself mate..

19 Jan 2015 20:50:24
I wonder if mirallas was trying to put himself in the window abit more and failed not only did it hit the post but was along the floor foster would of saved,
I think baines needs to be dropped he can't beat a man with any cross, was barkley playing?
I would seriously welcome Lennon he would pull defence out wide allowing lukaku more room! We have flair players who have no flair.
Let's hope for a faster second half 3 passes going forward please

{Ed025's Note - im gutted ant..

19 Jan 2015 21:02:51
WTF!!!!!!! why not bainsey, that could be it Mirallas could be off, Martinez could be gone. COYB!!!

19 Jan 2015 21:01:40
BYE BYE KEVIN

19 Jan 2015 20:30:04
Its 27 minutes, as fans we deserve to know what's in Mr Barry contract. The guy surely has a plays when fit clause. Useless

Saw him run for the ball and thought he was trying to run on ice

19 Jan 2015 19:42:34
Might only be wba but this is the biggest game of our season so far
Win well and we've finally turned the corner

Lose and we will be in a touch and go dog fight all season

Win and I can see us going on a run

Lose and I can't see where we can win again

Win and our manager might get his act together

Lose and I fear We will be parting ways with el bob

If we don't get a performance out of the boys tonight something is definately wrong I want to see 11 players going for the kill and fighting for the cause tonight. Come on everton its now or never!

{Ed025's Note - good rallying call that kingy...i hope bob says the same thing in the dressing room mate..

19 Jan 2015 19:17:08
IF ROBERTO WON THE EUROPA LEAGUE AND WE FINNISHED COMFORTABLE IN THE LEAGUE, WOULD PEOPLE STILL WANT HIM TO BE MANAGER OR GET RID?

{Ed025's Note - i would still want him.....stop shouting though daz..

I like Roberto edd, I think he will turn it around with a 3.0 win tonight.

19 Jan 2015 18:28:19
Worst nightmare is Victor scoring against us and a loss. More likely is Berahino unless we keep him quiet. let's hope for a decent game by the ref too. We have had some stinkers by refs this season.

{Ed025's Note - we have had some bad refs degsy, and thats why for me jags lets us down as our captain, he should be right in their faces when we get a bad call, like roy keane used to, as you have a better chance of getting the next one, jags is too nice imo mate..

Yes Ed, I am afraid it is all part of being successful these days. Sir Alex Ferguson was the master of playing the FA and refs. Comments from him just before and after games were always aimed at putting pressure on both the FA and individual refs. Morinho has taken over that mantle and did it again this weekend. Short memory about Cahill diving the previous week, but going on about the penalty they should have had for the foul on Fabregas. Look at any of the Champions League contenders and al their managers do it. Their players all surround the ref without reprisals too. Yet that is even in the rules. Watch Rooney say f*** off to the ref when a decision goes against him. I counted one where he said it over 30 times each time he ran past the ref. One of our players says it once and they are in the book! The only reason it happens is the pressure put on the ref by their club. Yet ours does not?

{Ed025's Note - i agree degs, sometimes we are too nice for our own good mate..

It should be Mo Besic that has a word with the ref, Ed. Or less of a word, more a thousand yard stare, as he just stands there pointing at him and then starts licking his lips, menacingly. That would do it, Ed.

{Ed025's Note - i agree OHEFB, him and naisy are the only nasty pieces of work that we have...we need more mate..

19 Jan 2015 18:12:15
We will win tonight. If we don't, I promise to spare all posters and eds my crazy sense of unfounded optimism. But we will win, I swear it. Coyb

{Ed025's Note - if we dont lant...i will hold you responsible mate.. :)

19 Jan 2015 17:05:30
never mind buying new players!
take the money, go down to SOUTHAMPTON & sign
Koeman for what ever it takes, & do it now!
he would save us this season, & make us a force for next season.
Either way Marmite man is a busted flush, & so is Kenwright, I'm so angry about the state of our great club I could swear! f'n hell I just did.

{Ed025's Note - why would koeman leave the saints though hendo?, they are a decent club who have money to spend and are in a champions league spot..

I find it strange that we haven't done any business in this window (yet)

we desperately need a keeper however this is the thing .

Would BK et al put funds in the hands of one foot out of the door manager?

{Ed025's Note - i think bill is using the transfer kitty to buy paint stripper to remove that smug grin off the stand.. :)

19 Jan 2015 16:27:28
Ahead of the game tonight, my lovely wife has appealed within her prayers to bestow on the famous blue compassion to all its fans and deliver up a win. I love her for that because for the past 33 years she has never offered an opinion on my beloved football team other than her very occasional, "my Grandmother could have done better".

{Ed025's Note - good on her TT..she,s a diamond mate..

Mine has even offered to go out and not look at a Telly, now that is what I call loyalty, seeing as how I am off to the game ;-)

{Ed025's Note - she,s a keeper mate..

19 Jan 2015 15:19:41
Sampdoria expect Samuel Eto'o in Genoa tomorrow ahead of a potential move from Everton, and Tottenham could offer Aaron Lennon to Everton in bid to land Toffees forward Kevin Mirallas, when your having a rough patch don't the press jump on any piece of rubbish!

{Ed025's Note - dont they just wakka..

If Mirallas's agent has anything to do with it, I'd expect the player to run down his contract with us and then leave on a free - so that the club KM moves to doesn't have to pay a transfer fee, but instead pays him a huge signing-on fee, higher wages, etc., and the agent takes a big chunk of those.
What I will say is that Mirallas has been playing well - and pretty effectively - this season, so no complaints about him bottling out or suchlike! Maybe he's playing for a move, but if he keeps us up this season, then at least he's done his bit.

{Ed025's Note - i suspect you may be right sid..not only are agents the lowest form of life on gods earth, but kev comes across as a bit of a mercenary to me..

He still has a contract to 2016, I think this summer will be make or break for KM, I think he will sign if we have a better second half of the season and RM can convince him that we will progress, but think CL sides will also be interested!

I think kev will want to see how we improve our team.your not going to want to sign a new contract if we sign players like Westwood,maloney and the like. Players like ayew, perisic and even higher quality are what we should look at.

{Ed025's Note - you may be correct dentie..

19 Jan 2015 13:31:02
Its been a long time since my last post, I'm not usually critical of current managers but I've bitten my tongue for long enough. Martinez, despite a good first season, seems to have lost the fans and (if the papers are correct) the dressing room. I know we have had more than our fair share of bad decisions and I know that this can affect not only results (obviously) but the confidence of the players. The trouble is he doesn't seem to be able to think of anything other than his preferred method of playing. Pretty football is fine if your riding high and getting the rub of the green however I'm not sure he's the sort of man who can adapt our play or even admit we have problems let alone resolve them. I can honestly say his optimism and praise after defeats is really starting to iritate me. Last year during the world cup Hodgson played Rooney on the wing (out of position) in order to accomodate him. Baines suffered through no cover and was crucified by their winger, Martinez is doing the same thing week in week out. He needs to play his best player in each position anything else is a recipe for disaster.

{Ed025's Note - not a lot i can argue with there popeye..nice to hear from you mate..

Vague similarities to Mike walker!

19 Jan 2015 05:22:00
I cannot believe we balanced the books last year and were looking forward to this year. (albeit on a form slump the last 6 games) We then buy Rom for 10 mil over value, pay 100k a week for a "34 year old" and then think of selling him to balance the books. Why the hell did we buy him in the first place? He hasn't set the world alight but I have seen worse. It is a bit like a youngster spending his first weeks wages on a fancy TV and not being able to pay the electric bill to watch it. What the hell is going on in the Everton accounts department?

He won't be on 100k and it looks as though he is going to play first team football which is something we can't offer him. He is not a particularly vital member of the first team squad so getting rid is no big deal. Also lukaku though he was very expensive is also a long term investment. We have a player who is 21 and has scored plenty of goals in the Premiership. He will get better and quality strikers cost lots of money. We haven't had a quality striker in a long time and personally I would rather have spent 28 million on rom than the safer amount of 15 million or so on a Shane long or yakubu type player. Rom will be a world class striker in the future and he plays for the might blues.

One of the reasons he was brought in, is he is cheap and has managed Clubs on smaller budgets than ours. It is not only Roberto that gets up my nose with his rosy rhetoric and no answers but Bill also with his wearing of heart on sleeve, tears in his eyes speeches just seems to rejoice in his own personal play thing Everton. Is Stallone the best we can do, FFS. Where is our Paul when we need him.

Blue Clarky. Top post mate