Everton Banter Archive August 19 2013

19 Aug 2013 21:49:29
We've been told that the club isn't under financial pressure to sell any players.
We've been told that all money raised by outgoing transfers can be used for incoming transfers. (I imagine that any difference in wages, agent fees, etc., will have to be factored into this.)
IMHO it won't be the board who decide who leaves - it will be RM. Of course, if a player wants to leave - and puts in a transfer request - then so be it, but it will still be down to RM to decide what to do.
Likewise, it's up to RM to choose his incoming transfer targets and then it's up to the board (and appropriate club officials) to negotiate the deals.
RM knows what his budget is and if he can strengthen the squad then that's great.
The good news is that two of the younger players - Stones and Barkley - are already looking the part as members of the first-team squad. We've been told that RM wants to bring other talented youngsters through, so I hope others follow.
In Martinez I Trust.
Once a blue, always a blue!

Glad somebody trusts Martinez, because I don't
mj

19 Aug 2013 21:25:06
Barkley needs to be given a new contract with an outrageous buy-out clause and fast. {Ed025's Note - i agree

19 Aug 2013 19:43:06
Man Utd started their slow decline the day old red nose left. They can't compete with the likes of Chelsea and Man City anymore, even Arsenal when they decide to start spending, and Spurs have started to flex their financial muscles . They can't attract the marque players more, If Fergie was still there Fabregas would have joined, and IMO they'll struggle in Europe.

Just like Liverpool's fall from grace from there heyday. In 3-4 seasons time Manchester United will be slugging it out with the rest of us for forth place. And what make it even more satisfying is the fact that Moyes will be at the helm to oversee their demise.

Hopefully that's how you'll be remembered Mr Moyes you disrespectful low-life .

Apart from the fact they are top of the league again, won at Swansea easily where most pundits said they would struggle and are favourites to win the league again this season, so on your prediction I would not hold your breath on that one.

19 Aug 2013 20:59:45
Top of the league after 1 game.

Beat Swansea easily. So what, we did them 0-3 last season

Their not favourites to win the league with any bookie, they can't split Chelsea or Man city. Utd are 3rd favourites

19 Aug 2013 19:22:48
Hi ed. been reading some posts. One in particular from steve the manc. Why are you posting what he is saying. I thought this was an everton page not a Man U one. He's getting everyone's back up with what he saying. Don't give him any satisfaction by putting on here what he says. He will know himself he is talking crap. He is just winding us all up. {Ed025's Note - its a discussion involving the 2 clubs john, some of the manc posts have been fair mate..

19 Aug 2013 18:44:43
Hi Ed`s just got back from 2 weeks of wall 2 wall sunshine on the beautiful island of Tenerife and walk straight back into this maelstrom that is the bid from Utd for Felli and Baines.
Why is everyone so up in arms with this derisory/insulting attempt by Utd. Tactics are employed at boardroom level as well as on the pitch. Get inside the players heads, cause unrest within the dressing room, instigate concern within our club and panic within the fans. Surely we all remember the Lescott debacle a few years ago when he had his head turned by Hughes at City. We as Everton supporters should laugh off this bid safe in the knowledge that our own board will in fact come out and state categorically that either the players concerned are NOT FOR SALE, or put a minimum price on each of their heads and put the ball firmly back into the Utd court. This is as much a consequence of weak boardroom behaviour as it is a lack of respect from the champions. Our own chairman needs to be seen to be standing firm over this and if there is no time left within the current transfer window to replace the players then the deal needs to include a lot more money and players from Utd, (not on loan, but permanent transfers). This is a very precarious situation we find ourselves in at present, we should not be found wanting, especially when BK stated his total support for our new manager at his 1st press conference, with regards to financial support from the board. Personally I think we are destined to lose some of our players it is up to the board to ensure Everton FC do not lose face as well.
Btw Capoue looked a class act for Spurs on Sunday.

19 Aug 2013 18:35:11
Why don't the club bid 28mil for Rooney and RVP. Then tell Sky our bid was rejected. It will proper kick off then. At least we will show everyone how ridiculous Manchester United behaviour is right now.

Lol why dnt u, see where that gets u?
After all am I missing summit? Wasn't ure club that have announced this info? I would say it ure club worried there might not be any other bids from us thus putting ure finances in a bad position, u ain't exactly been the big spenders either.
28-32m is a fair price I think.

CTR

19 Aug 2013 18:26:34
Moyes made City pay 24m for Lescott, how on earth does he think he can get these two for 28m. Mind you the Lescott deal was a stroke of genius.
RickTee

19 Aug 2013 18:15:01
Manchester United fan here to antagonize.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, £28million is a fair offer, although IMO neither are United quality. Think you're all a little to emotional about the whole affair to make an honest assessment at the moment.

I think you all need to be a little more appreciative of the working relationship between Everton and Manchester United; the expression don't bite the hand that feeds springs to mind.

Wer not your feeder club.do one

You sum up the typical Utd fan. Think because you put the shirt on you know what your talking about all bloody glory hunters who will supporting City next season.

You're about to find out that Moyes isn't Man United quality either. Sixth place, mate. He doesn't go any higher than that.

19 Aug 2013 22:25:49
in your opinion neither is united quality? so the best left back in europe isn't united quality but frances third choice left back is, belgiums most sought after midfielder isn't united quality but tom cleverley who even your fans hate is? in fact what is united quality the way I see it youse are like liverpool and spurs a one man team, under ferguson youse had everyone playing well (bar valencia) but under moyes youse are relying on van persie so again if baines and fellaini aren't united quality then neither is any if your players except van persie

You ARE our feeder club, though! We took Rooney, we took your manager, and by the end of the window, we'll have taken your two best players. then next summer, we'll take Ross Barkley as well!

You can make do with the Darren Gibson's of our squad, fair trade! Haha.

RED_SKY {Ed025's Note - i am posting this to show some of you why some of the supporters of MUFC are universally hated and despised by other clubs, they show no respect, or humility to other clubs, or their supporters...they are bullies who think they can ride roughshod over other less financially stable clubs, and think teams will just "bend over"on a whim!..well heres hoping that they fall flat on their faces, sign no-one, and win nothing!...this is aimed at the mindless minority who associate themselves with MUFC, and not the decent followers, of whom i am sure there are many..

19 Aug 2013 18:01:34
i know most of you will have seen this but this is a quote from ginger Nut.

no wonder we never got at a sniff of a win at Old trafford.

what a ginger person!


You came to somewhere that was always full and you knew you were playing, certainly the biggest club in England and arguably the biggest club in the world. So from that point of view you knew that it was also a daunting challenge. Anybody who went there it was like: 'Oh no, we're going to Manchester United'. I want it to continue that way. I remember going there as a manager. You want to get out of Old Trafford alive, that used to be our saying, you know, "

Once a bottler always a bottler.Long may it remain

Thought he must have said the same at Anfield, Emirates/Highbury, or Stamford Bridge

Thats because you never got to manage at the San Siro, Nou Camp, Bernabau, Allianz Arena etc. Maybe we might see Davey wet himself if he gets to the knockout rounds of the CL

19 Aug 2013 16:55:57
Putting some perspective on things. LB imo is now obvious first choice left back for england. the price should reflect as much and I reckon 16-20 million is a fair price. Secondly how much did man u pay for carrick. wasn't it around the 20 mill mark. imo he will never be the player that screech is. I reckon 25 million easy for screech. Totalling 41 to 45 million. with that cash we could easilly bolster the team with quality players. Additionally RVP (great player) but the arguement about baines having few seasons left. he isstill younger than RVP. created more assists than any other player in th eleague I thin last year. so he's got to be worth 10 goals in assists alone. factoring his age in is tosh!

19 Aug 2013 15:39:06
What happened to giving baines a new contract? Need to offer him 1 ASAP. Bill

We have rolled over in the past selling players due to circumstances, even rolled over by Manchester United over DM (should have complained to FA) got no compensation, allowed him to leave in the most digified way possible.

According to media, please hope its correct, we do not need to sell either player. If they both ask to leave that's different, but to me this is the one and only opportunity EFC will have controlling this situation. We really, really need BK and the board to stand up to UTD and insist neither is for sale at any price.

If both go then irrespective of board statements they can never really be taken seriously again knowing we do not need to sell. let's see.

Paddock Neil

Bill kenwright has said ee don't need to sell are players .martinez has said we are in a good financial position .as fans we'd probBly accept the sale of felliani, but if baines was sold to utd given the way they've conducted themselves and the total disregard of any respect to everton we'd be a joke .our side without baines is weaker tell utd to piss off .I'm not a bk fan I hope this time he proves me and many others wrong .tell utd todo one .

19 Aug 2013 15:03:01
Ed why are you even humouring all these man u fans and posting their comments? if I wanted to read opinions from those persons I would go to the tv website! they are just taking the p and anyone that thinks 28 mil is a fair price is either mentally disturbed or knows nothing about football! Blue Ben {Ed025's Note - its an open forum mate, and some MU fans agree with us..

Because this is the nearest they will get to having an opinion on their team. Cheaper than getting the train from London.

19 Aug 2013 14:52:33
Ed025, Do you know the length of ross barkley's current deal? {Ed025's Note - dec 2015 mate

So bottom line we need to get into Europe to keep him

Very Unfortunate that David Moyes probably does aswell!

No we just offer a new contract for a longer time.

19 Aug 2013 14:29:08
The club has said it piece, they have said it well so let's all move on. I f you have not read it here it is

Everton's statement reads: "Everton can confirm that it has received bids from Manchester United for two players. Those bids were immediately rejected out of hand as derisory and insulting. The club did not make public these details as it was vital Roberto Martinez's preparations for the opening game of the Premier League season were not disrupted in anyway."

We don't know if the bid is for Fellaini and Baines. The os mentions two players, with Raphael injured maybe he's bid for Coleman and Fellaini or Coleman and Baines. Maybe Barkley and Coleman?
It's not beyond the realms of plausibility is it? {Ed025's Note - its not mate, oh yeah it is.. :)

19 Aug 2013 13:41:17
This may be extremely far fetched, but after seeing a few things on Saturday I do believe that Fellaini will go.

Firstly, pre game all the fans were singing players names and they all clapped etc, but when Felli's turn came, absolutely no response, I might be reading a bit too much into that but it could be worth a thought.

Secondly I do believe Baines will stay with us, he seemed extremely happy and has never complained, Norwich confirmed it for me, hopefully I am right.

Thirdly it must be worth a thought, considering Rooney is obviously unhappy at United, why not lodge a Fellaini plus 5 mill bid for him? We supposedly have money lying round if Kenwright truly wants to back Roberto, if we had Rooney and bought another powerful defensive midfielder to partner Gibson I do believe we would be a force to reckon with.

We all know Rooney's wages are an issue, he's on 200k plus, but I personally would take a wage cut to 80k a week, when you consider he's got a point to prove, moving back to his boyhood club, it's easy to see he loves Everton, forget his badge kiss, that was pure anger at the abuse he was getting, he would jump at the chance to reinstate himself as an Everton hero.

Yes it's unlikely, but weirder things have happened.

Finally I can't finish without a quick but brief word on old davey, he honestly isn't worth the effort talking about. All I hope for is that the Evertonians give him what he deserves when he returns, and I mean the polar opposite of the West Ham send off.

Alex

How does nobody clapping/cheering Felliani constitute him defo going? I don't get it.

I meant he didn't respond to the fans singing his name, didn't seem overly interested when we scored either, easy to tell something was up with him, his heads turned.

Alex

Would have thought if he really wanted to go then he would have worked his nuts off to remind people just how good he is.

19 Aug 2013 13:21:07
I am absolutely gobsmacked at the bid made by Manchester United lost all respect for moyes now, and to think he was trying to get fabregas for £35 million makes me sick

Personally it would take £40 million before I even would consider accepting the offer

DeversEFC

19 Aug 2013 12:24:33
BK should invite the media to a press conference about "everton's D-Day" and then proceed to describe the double bid we received for Afroman and Bainsey using only words beginning with D. The media would love it.
I'll start him off.
Deplorable, despicable, disgusting, damning, dismal, devious, derisory and downright dumb. {Ed025's Note - thats definitely debatable mate..

Love it! That raised a smile on an otherwise dismal day.

Deluded dave

19 Aug 2013 12:13:11
We don t have to sell felli he's contracted for 4/5 years and has no release clause! So why are so many blues saying they think he force a move. ? He's our player, and its our decision! Baines will do what the club want, he's a classy person and has been since the day we signed him, even when he struggled at first he kept his head down and worked hard to get where he's got today. For me it's simple keep both and look for a bargin in midfield or try and offload johnny h, he's never going to be first choice and surely wants to play regularly. I agree with previous posts though we should make an official bid on sky for rvp or Rooney to show what we think of their embarrassing offer. Time our board starting playing hardball like some of our rivals!

Bluestu

Fellaini has 3 years remaining on his current deal, Baines has 2.

19 Aug 2013 11:08:41
Well done Bill and Bobby reject everthing them dirty mancs chuck at us pure and utter insult ed why don't we put a silly bid in for Rooney just to piss them off and try and unsettle him even more than he is 28 mill what a joke. {Ed025's Note - that would work for me stef, lets just hope the club dont capitulate on this one mate..

Fellaini for Rooney and the mancs can subsidise Rooneys extra wages, I'd settle for that

Baz

19 Aug 2013 11:02:45
I just saw Degsy's post (well, reply) on the Manc U page. Spot on Degsy, lad. That told him.

They won't understand how good Felli and Bainesy are because they don't see them week in week out - and MOTD doesn't count.

Yep and fair play to Degsy we all echo that mate.

19 Aug 2013 12:28:11
cant believe the Ed posted it, some proper nuggets on their pages, you know what I did still love Moyesee for how he kept us in the top 6/7/8 for so long but he just lost my love big time.

You can't tell me that he had nothing to do with that figure (28 million) as a bid, he knows our situation inside out and knows we will have to deal to keep the bank and tight ass shareholders (not BK) happy.

Dreading the next few days because they will come in at 35 million and we will probably deal, never mind though Gareth Barry is on his way and the banks/fat cats will all have a big knees up in the casinos, maybe blow a few million to celebrate.

sorry for language Ed, like every Blue I am furious

Degsy

19 Aug 2013 10:33:54
I can see a massive déjà vu here lads, Remember the city saga with lescott and how after that we were their bogey team. Well I can see exactly the same happening with United, I'd love Roberto to have moyes off tactically just like moyes did against Mancini. Also sorry Ed but moyes is certainly not a pawn in this what so ever, he is their manager and he wouldn't of taken the job to be a yes man in the first place.

19 Aug 2013 10:21:50
this bid is not a serious bid aimed at actually buying the players for 28million. it is a bid designed to unsettle both players in the hope that they both tell everton they want to leave, then united will return with a bid for say 35million that we will be forced into agreeing. I would tell felli and baines that united value them so much that they have waited until the season starts, so much that they have gone for them after failing with other targets. tell united baines is not for sale and 25million minimum up front for fellaini and we'll consider that but it must be done this week not the 1st of september. also bk should bid 10million for rooney and really take the p*** and show them in no uncertain terms that we won't be taken for mugs and we are not a feeder club for united.
1878barlow

Time for bill kenwright to show his mettle .for once do what is right for the club with actions not words .tell the Mancs to piss off and give baines a new deal .look at lpool stance over Suarez they made it clear he was not for sale, do the same especially concerning baines .kenwrights silence tells me that utd are being encouraged .this is not about utd and moyes it's solely about bill kenwright and where he see, s everton as a club .

We all need to take a step back here. Yes we are all p***ed off over the bid and the Utd bully boy tactics and that is fair enough.

But let's not throw this on to Bill. As far as I can work out we have offered Baines a new contract, one that would make him one of the highest paid at the club. There is not a lot more Bill can do, if Baines does not want to sign the new deal it can only mean he is looking for a move or at least waiting to see what Utd offer.

Felli as I am sure most would agree is a mercenary at best, so no surprises he will be interested in a move. Again Bill can not do a lot about that.

The press report we have rejected the pitiful £28m bid (no surprises there then) Yes he could do what the dark side have done with Suarez and issue a "not for sale at any price" statement, we then risk having two players, which I am sure no one would disagree are important players if not vital players for us who do not want to be at the club. Is that the best way to go? The dark side have done that and maybe it will work out for them, maybe not, only time will tell.

So what can Bill do if one or both of the players involved want to leave? The only sensible thing he can do is reject stupid offers and wait for them to come back with a realistic one, telling Robbie to plan for their departure.

We are all angry over this and we have a right to be, but come on boys and girls vent your anger at those responsible, this is Utd's fault as a club, maybe Moyes but this is not Bill's fault on any level, trust in Bill and Robbie to do the right thing by us and the club and support them in whatever action they see fit to take as they have all the facts, we sadly do not. {Ed025's Note - cracking post that WtG..the voice of reason mate..

He'll take the money mate if the price is right. we. as a club can not afford to turn it down. And I hope no one is expecting the full 40 million (that's what I think it should be) to be pumped back into the team because we'll be lucky to get 15 of it back. Harsh reality boys and girls but unfortunately true.

Just to clear up at no point in my post was I saying it was bk's fault for any of this so I take it WtG your post was aimed at the second poster?
1878barlow

That's right Barlow, sorry mate I should have made it clear it was the first reply I was replying to.

19 Aug 2013 10:07:36
I for one will be booing moyes on his return everton. He has and is showing a complete lack of respect to everton and the fans. There is no loyalty in football and we know this but we still gave moyes his platform. I hope we stand firm and kenwright grows a pair and stands up to man u. Do not sell to them, who next, barkley?

Come on Moyes done a lot for this club show some respect lad.

Just cause you build a castle when you leave you have no right to come back and start pulling it down I for 1 have lost all respect for him now aswell.

Show respect? Where is Moyes respect for Everton? Running his contract down having admitted knowing he was in the frame for Utd? Now allowing stupid offers to be made for players, not once but twice!

Respect is earned not automatic and I'm afraid any respect that man earned during his time with us is rapidly being destroyed, yes Moyes did a lot for the club and the club did a lot for him, from sleeping in a car to watch the 1998 World Cup to multi Millionaire. {Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

Respect works both ways!

19 Aug 2013 09:31:47
This is a clear attempt to unsettle the players with such a crap bid.I have shouted moyes' corner for a long time but this is disgraceful behaviour from our former manager.we should not sell to them persons for their bare faced cheek, just who do they think they are.

19 Aug 2013 09:20:50
Lets be realistic, no one wants either to go, we'd all rather they stay and give there all to the cause, however if they are to go then MF £22.5M clause has expired so realistically the value has gone up not down!

MF £25M upfront Minimum
LB £20M upfront Minimum

Or do one, we are not a feeder club for man utd!

19 Aug 2013 09:06:07
That double bid must be pretty insulting for yous lot - especially coming from moyes!

AK (Chelsea fan) {Ed025's Note - it is mate, im afraid loyalty and integrity are a thing of the past where football is concerned..

It is an insult, unless the press have forgotten to print it is £28M Plus Rooney.

Good Luck to you lot next week and for the title, hope you stick it to them big time.

19 Aug 2013 08:44:23
According to tv, Manchester United have offered 28 million for fellaini AND baines. I didn't realise we had a buy 1 get 1 free policy. Bloody cheeky sod that moyes bloke. {Ed025's Note - we should tell them to BOGOF..

19 Aug 2013 08:56:21
bloody disgusting that Dentie, feel embarrassed for them, they will obviously come in with a higher bid now so it does not look too pleasing for us.

I now have no respect for Moyes at all, you can't tell me that he is not responsible for the bids at all, he must have some input and he defo knows our current financial situation, saddo

BK you better tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine otherwise there will be a revolt if these 2 go on the cheap, they have missed the buy out for Felli so now it is 30 Million, Baines must be minimum 20 million.

Time for the board to grow some gonads

Degsy {Ed025's Note - very worrying time for me degsy, we need more than just rejection from the board, that implies to me that they are for sale, but we are haggling over the price!..either NOT FOR SALE, or a £50m take it or leave it final offer so we know where we stand, come on bill, time to show the doubting thomas,s of this world, that you are a man of integrity and honour, and have the clubs interest at heart mate..

Like it ed.if I was martinez or kenwright i'd bid 10 mill for rooney and say we want robin van persie for nowt.summit might click in the brain of moyes then and make him realise he is deluded with bids like the 1 he has put in

19 Aug 2013 08:41:38
Utd taking the mick with that bid! Get lost, would've faxed back a laughing face!

19 Aug 2013 08:34:32
I hate that Moyes. Joint £28 million bid for fella and Baines. We should only accept anything over $0. personally RM needs to tell moyes to back off there not for sale!
Source: tv

19 Aug 2013 08:16:25
Everton have turned down a bid of 28m for Baines and Fellaini. Cheeky *******s. What an insult by DM and MU in general. By that logic we should table an 8m bid for Rooney! He knows we won't sell for that, he is trying to unsettle the players. Prick.
Bainesy and Feli have dealt with the speculation well.

19 Aug 2013 07:59:07
could and maybe should have won the game vs norwich. played well and created chances and their 2 goals were quite fortunate (the rebound for the first and the second was a badly hit shot that turned into a cross). The main positive beside barkley, is that we are a point better off already than last season as we lost to norwich away last season. so come on bobby. roll on wba
1878barlow

You make no sense we beat utd so where 2 points worse off

Yes but this season we have not played united yet. I mean when we look back at norwich away last season we can say we are a point better off already because we lost to them last year compared to this years draw. so yes it does make sense really.
1878barlow

18 Aug 2013 23:24:30
Just been on Uniteds page and they are all saying they should sign Barkley.They make me laugh the way they think they can take all our best players, anyway after the Moyes stunt there would be riots if we ever sold him to them.Kenwright should sell them no-one no matter what they offer.The sight of Baines in a United shirt would make me sick.

I said the exact same thing to my mate today if united bid anything less than 25m for Fellaini we should tell them to do one and tell them we will no longer be dealing with them from now on!
Mr Blue Sky

18 Aug 2013 22:49:23
Hey ed's good performance on the whole yesterday and unlucky not to win. On another note southhampton have just broke there record again and signed osvaldo. I don't want us wastin money but do you think we have enough to strengthen our midfield and who are we lookin at