Everton Banter Archive May 18 2013

 

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18 May 2013 22:11:33
Kenny Jackett is a name I have heard from a mate up her in Scotland.

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18 May 2013 23:21:40
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Degsy

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You sure it never got lost in translation. Kenny believe it

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John Smith is a name I heard off a friend in England :-)

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18 May 2013 22:06:25
We need to go foreign. Too many British managers fail in prem and take teams down. As rafa would say. FACT

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Martinez?.

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18 May 2013 20:48:06
Porto fans on Vita - 23% think he's brill 48% feel he's good 22% think he's overated - the rest possibly still
too drunk to comment after beating Benfica

Mushroom Man

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18 May 2013 20:11:33
Very simple for me.

Pereira, Benitez or Martinez would make me excited and looking forward to next season with hope of winning something or finishing in top 4.

Anyone else I will be expecting either time for them to settle in or find their feet in management or would expect mid-table finish and not looking forward to next season with much optimism.

Robbie

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All I've heard all day today is Duncan is taking over get your money on it. well not for me, big dunc, stubbsy, weir, or Neville. don't want anyone already on the staff, I want an outsider/foreigner and not necessarily Martinez, just someone with more technical ability and bit more flair than moyes who can take us on another level hopefully

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18 May 2013 23:23:14
Jimbo u have hit the nail right on the head mate, exactly what most of us with a footballing brain want fella

Degsy

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Cheers degsy. imo as I've said in previous posts, someone more technically minded, who don't have 11 men in our own penalty area from corners, someone who won't sit back on every 1 goal lead and take our forwards off and replace them with defenders when under the cosh. and be able to turn at least half of those 14 draws this season into victories. those draws have cost us a European spot mate.

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18 May 2013 18:10:18
Just read a good articale on failed proposal play off spot for the champions league. Top 3 qualify automatically 4, 5, 6, 7 go into a play off for the last spot they needed 14 clubs to vote yes 12 did 8 didn't. But here is the the alleged reason why 2 off the clubs that voted no bare in mind these two clubs were relagated they were supposedly paid of by Man u, Lfc and Arsenal and Spurs now I wonder why they would do that maybe that they were wealthy enough clubs to gain champions league qualification and didn't need the play offs so they didn't want to run the risk of someone like Everton Fulham etc etc being given the chance to earn the riches of the champions league which could ultimately change a clubs fortune and make it harder for them to compete agaist every year intresting read on this I must say on another note I bet the darkside would of wished they voted yes now. Stef the blue

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Why would Spurs and Liverpool not want a play off? They would surely have more chance of qualifying via that route than finishing in the top four

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I caught that too Stef, makes you wonder just how much the fans don't know, eh? Unless it was well publicised and I missed it. The sad truth is, money is king nowadays and the gap between the have's and the have nots is widening.
That proposal would prevent dead rubbers and slacking off but it also has its drawbacks.

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18 May 2013 16:10:01
david beckham will take over as manager, with alex ferguson as his number 2, just got this off a bloke in the pub, oh and he was selling socks and batteries

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Most believable post I've seen today

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Lmfao. Worst attempt at a joke. Ever!

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18 May 2013 16:06:23
just noticed dougie freedmans odds coming right down, he is about 10/1, i'm not too sure, anyone else think he could be the right man for the job

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Will he bring us Champions League?

If your answer is yes then go straight to the doctors for a check up.

No one from the championship or lower will be able to improve our sqad. We need better than Moyes. That list i'm afraid is very short and expensive.

COYB
Toffee ace.

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When are people going to learn that bookmakers odds are no reflection of who will get the job. I could put £5000 on Mourinho and his odds would would come tumbling down to among the favorites. The odds mean nothing apart from people guessing who will be manager and the bookies acting accordingly.

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Correct but why do you think Moyes' odds for Man U dropped so much days before he was Fergie's retirement had been announced? If people know something they will place bets. So in this case simply due to the fact that I don't think anyone beleives Kenwright would have moved so quickly, we can say that changes in odds at this stage shouldn't be taken too meaningfully. But you're not a betting genius there I think most people would understand how it works. If we see someone go to 1/2 or something like that, while you say you'll just expect some random bloke from round the corner putting on his monthly salary, the rest of us will suspect a new manager is close.

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Guys billy liar will go for the cheap. no cost option. watch this space

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Well the cheap no cost option is probably Vitor Pereira so I hope he does ;)

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18 May 2013 22:06:31
Well we got Moyes from the Championship I seem to recall quite a few signings from the Championship and they improved our squad. Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka spring to mind.
Sorry but your argument is just flawed. Why rule out any young up and coming talent with the hunger, desire and ability to go up a level. Martinez and Rodgers have done it.

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Martinez and Rogers are in charge of teams that finished below us. don't we want to progress. ?

You're quite right about where we have shopped recently but to move forward this has to change. So nothing from the lower divisions for me. Been there, done that, time to move forward.

This club has as much right as any to aim high. David Moyes is one of the highest paid managers in World football, its not as if we can't afford it.

Toffee ace.

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18 May 2013 15:27:28
I believe that mr kenwright should think out of the box and go for a foreign
Manager
But as we all know we should not believe every thing that is printed by the press
Moyes has had control of the club for a number of years
by expressing that he would help in search of our new manager
It only goes to show that he still wants control by picking back room staff as possible candidates! And what will happen if season is not going well will he help them out
I say move on enjoy ure time at united mr moyes
And leave us to put a appropriate manager in place with some winning credentials no sentiment in football now
As we see these days
we have now a new era and we have to except change and move with the times
Other wise this great club of ours will be left behind you have moved on mr moyes now let our club do the same

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Absolutely spot on, Moyes has chose to leave he should have no input on our next manager

S1878

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Guys get real its only business bring in the waiter why not. he will demand money to spend on players and that's what we all want, high profile can win important games. when needed. will argue with billy liar for funds not like the man u manager just lie down and accept what I offer.

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18 May 2013 14:42:12
Local newspaper saying today that Benitez will not rule out coming to Everton. More than a bit of a hint methinks. I know he managed the darkside and made a few derogatory remarks about our club during his time there but that's what good managers in any walk of life do; big up their own cause while belittling the opposition to help get everyone on board. I mean remember Moyes' first remark about 'the peoples club' for example? Everyone connected with Everton immediately took to him while it riled the red side no end. Hopefully Bill will have a big enough pair on him to approach and appoint Benitez, forgive and forget and watch the good times roll. I mean can you imagine going to a*field with Benitez in charge of us and turning them over in their own back yard? I know its all pie in the sky at the moment but it just might happen.
Domo

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Okay, chalk this up to being the new guy, but why not Rafa? From what I've read her can be somewhat overbearing and yes he once carried the torch for the Darkside, but what candidate out there has a record that shows nothing more than potential? Success in the PL and Europe. He can win big games. If top 4 and Europe is our goal, then who better to lead than a coach has been there and done that. With Rafael, The specter of yearly Relegation watch would be unlikely. Okay fellas, no sharp objects please.

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Benitez no no no, to engrossed in lpool, needs money, done a decent job at chelsea let's be honest any decent manager could have done that job. if he got off to bad start it would be a nitemare, he's got banners with his picture on in kop every week. no chance too much has gone on

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Honestly I'd take him. He's a good manager no doubt, and his CV is pretty impeccable excluding Inter. I'd certainly rather have a good manager who's managed Liverpool than a bad one who hasn't

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Benitez is a good manager, but a horrible person, He is not dignified enough to manage our great club. He is still in love with the dark side "fact". Laudrup, Pereira, or Martinez should be the ones we go for in that order.

Dero.

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I don't think rafa is a horrible person mate. Totally wrong. And no I'm not a Kopite.

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He had no respect or dignity when he said Everton were a small club, or when he said we were long ball merchants or when he said we were over physical team who played for a draw. But the biggest lack of any dignity was when he came out with his stupid fact rave, hardly won a game after that clever, he can dish it out but could not take the mind games when Ferguson got to him. So don, t want this individual

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18 May 2013 14:34:31
All this speculation and rumours is doing my head in.

the lack of noise for the board is deafening, no short list, no statement, no nothing but cheesy award videos

We, our club needs to be quicker and swift about getting a new manager in.

Most seasons we leave it late to bring new signings in and this coming season isn't going to be any different, if not worse with not havong someone in charge.

BK will have a list of players that Moyes wanted and will more than likely try for those. and to bring a manager that's going to play ball with him.

I'm so afraid that we are going to bring someone in that's just not up to the job of keeping the lads together.

All the talk about ex players like Stubbs, Weir and co dosn't fill me with confidence. None have the experience to manage and will need 12/24 months to cut their teeth. The same with a few others like cardiff's manager also.

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Do you expect the club to publish a list of our targets on the website? Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realise that we still have one game left of the season and nothing will change or be announced until after that.

The board are doing what they always do and keep their mouths shut until there is something to say. Let them get on with their job and you yours by supporting the team for the final game and then get behind the new manager, whoever it is, when they come in.

Leicester Toffee

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18 May 2013 12:53:19
Everton's pre season tour dates of America are set to be confirmed by the club next week.

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18 May 2013 15:11:56
I did hear a rumour not from a particularly reliable source but it seemed so strange it might be true. That our new investors are from Mexico or Venezuela but their money is based in the middle east Bahrain or Oman something like that. If we are going to Mexico preseason perhaps this is a clue.

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18 May 2013 12:43:32
Jan Mucha gone at the end of the season! Didn't play much but great saves in the City game!

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So where is the competition /coverage for Howard coming from now? Surely we'll wait to see who the new manager is before any decisions are made regarding buying and selling. Jlaff

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Nooooo say it isn't true. Damn you moyes, and damn you Bill Kenwright. Hopefully the new manager offers the Slovak Casillas a new 4 year contract. That should be the priority this summer.

Mike

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18 May 2013 11:36:31
whoever our manager is I will be behind. personally, the porto fella gets my vote. but I am going to look at the positives of the possible candidates

stubbs, ferguson, weir and neville- knows the club very well, knows possible transfers and areas that need stregthening. seems to be doing well with reserves. also they would have instant respect

porto manager (can't spell his name)- plays a good attractive brand of football (also well balanced between attack and defence). could help us tap into the european market regarding transfers. also knows what it takes to win trophies

martinez- plays attractive football, gives youth a chance and again could help in european transfers

poyet/zola- well respected in the game, play attractive football, young and determined and would give youth a try

Mackay- young and done well with cardiff. would give youth a try and plays well balanced football

lennon-No Positives

we are well aware of the negatives a few of these guys bring. so to reinforce this post is a rare post about the good things these guys could offer.
1878barlow

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Positives

Stubbs, Ferguson, Weir and Neville - Would be cheap

Porto manager - Has a nice fancy name

Martinez - Wears a nice suit

Poyet/Zola - Speak English better than moyes

Mackay - isn't david moyes

Lennon - All his teeth are the same shade of green

Mike

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Ah Mike, Lennon might have green teeth but didn't you know Bill loves a man with red hair? Ed007 watch your back :) {Ed007's Note - That might explain why Phil Neville is calling himself Fanta-Pants and Indicator Oxters.}

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18 May 2013 10:36:27
Papers claiming that Martinez has paved the way to us by saying he wants to leave Wigan

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Listens to moyes. that will be the first time ever. how many times moyes must have asked for funds or loan players. did bilgy liar listen then. unless there is no cost to everton he won't take advice.

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18 May 2013 10:29:18
If bill Kenwright listens to moyes and he gives the job to someone within the club that shows me that he has no ambition, direction or the best interests of everton football club and therefore should resign if this happens.

We need someone with quality and pedigree, someone who is tactically astute, is not afraid of dropping "favourites" when they are not performing, has an attacking approach and can attract talented players to our club. We as a club have evolved to such an extent that we are moving to the next level and those "internal" candidates are just not experienced enough to take us there.

Pereira, benitez, Jesus are the only realistic and suitable candidates for me.

Taysefc

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If Kenwright gives the job to someone in the club I will be personally writing him a letter of disapproval and letting him know that he let us down this is his chance to show ambition and not take the cheap way out and hope for the best. Stef the blue

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If they do appoint from within Bill will be hoping that Moyes wins the sack race next season and welcome him back with open arms

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No wonder moyes wants us to appoint from within, and get an inexperienced manager! If we get a manager like Martinez or Benitez and they take us to the next, how does that make Moyes look? If Fat Rafa does come in and wins a cup first season, there's going to be a lot of questions asked about moyes ability to manage.

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I will support whoever comes in (internal or external) but raising such a scenario to question moves ability to mange is illogical IMHO. Martinez won fa cup, Wigan got relegated. there's a contradiction. Whoever we get and however they do you cannot logically question moves mgmt. blues are a top 6 side. and have proven so under moyes tenure. Moyes is moving on - as supporters we need to get over it and wish him the best. To that if bk brought in a championship manager I get the impression that there would be uproar. but that's exactly where moves came from. furthermore was n't SAF managing Aberdeen before he took the reigns at MUFC. so there is no telling what mgmt Jewel bk can uncover. let's not be hasty and fickle like the others across the park! If its an internal appointment so be it. jlaff

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Martinez was relegated with Wigan, so it's not a contradiction. If another manager comes to us and wins a cup, takes us closer to the champions league with basically the same team as Moyes, then how will moyes time with us be judged? I did want him to stay, but can't really believe he's got one, if not the top job in football

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Contradiction being winning silver an being a good manager. which is he. good for winning cup or bad for being relegated?. there's the contradiction in terms of Martinez' stature as a manager. The are arguments that say "well everton is a better team he'd do we'll with us". well like most of you I supported during moyes reign and before. and the team moyes inherited was cack. but we never got relegated. how is that different from the calibre of team Martinez has? Jlaff

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What's Wigan got to do with it? Ill spell out the point I was making in simple terms for you. Any new manager, and I only used Martinez as an example, will inherit moyes squad. If this new manager does well, ie wins something & pushes for the champions league, will the fans still feel the same about moyes abilities? Will they start wishing he'd gone earlier? These are just questions/talking points, which I thought was the point of a banter site

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Appoint from within and we won't be a top 6 side for much longer, and I would fully understand if our better players chose to move on rather than stay with a club with a inexperienced novice manager and a board with zero ambition.

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Totally irrelevant how they will feel about Moyes' abilities once he's gone. The only thing that matters is the future, not the past with DM. If the next guy brings success I couldn't give a damn about any comparisons which may be drawn with Moyes' tenure. I don't care if his name is Liverpool Anfield Gonzalez as long as he does well and brings us silverware.

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To the second to last poster. calm down it is a banter site. just chewing the fat. that's all. I hear you loud and clear. maybe my comments lack clarity. Your question is a good question. If I understand you correct you asked whether a different mgr could win a trophy with the squad moyes had this season and if so whether we would question moyes ability. I guess the point I wanted to make was that the squad we see now and their performances to date reflect the progression moyes made with the team. If they win a trophy next year you could argue that they have had more time together to develop even further. which has been a trait of all moyes efc team to date. So I don't think you could question what moyes has achieved. IMHO. Jlaff

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To the contradiction in terms Martinez poster. You had a great chance to show off your English language skills by using the word 'oxymoron'. I was all excited. Anyway, Martinez is indeed an oxymoron.

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18 May 2013 08:03:00
Anyone fancy a flutter? Stick £40 on Hibbo to score first and Everton to win 6-0 and you'll see your bank light up with £250,000.

Not bad, eh?

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250k? Is that it? It would have to be 250m for me to make that bet.

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18 May 2013 09:34:29
Just an observation, it is very rare that on the everton app there is a video of the opposition managers press conference, but they have put Benitez on the app. Easing us in to the future?

Svenny

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I saw that too Svenny, wouldn't read too much into it tbh, probably short of a video so stuck it up

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Maybe it's because we are about to play Chelsea? The team Beneathus currently manages. Hence it's relevance to our app. How you can even think it has anything to do with our managers job is beyond me.

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18 May 2013 09:20:39
kenwright will appoint whoever moyes has told him to appoint. imo the cheapest option. I believe we now need a more technical minded manager to move us on now to another level. moyes has consistently made us a top 6 side or there abouts every season apart from a couple of dodgey seasons, we now need to push on from top 6 and try and break into the top 4, which I seriously believe we could of easily this season with a more technical minded manager. 14 draws this season says it all. sitting back on 1 nil leads and replacing forwards with defenders. them draws have cost us a place in Europe.

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18 May 2013 09:11:38
hopefully not too long now before our new manager is announced. I know the likes of Stubbs, Weir & Ferguson are held in high regard by the club and wonder whether BK may be worried that a new man coming in wouldn't want keep these 3 on. it was rumoured that martinez turned down lpool because he wanted full control of all football matters which usually means total revamp of coaching staff.
I don't envy BK as whatever he does he won't be able to please everyone. After
watching the highlights of the Awards night on EFC website I think we will appoint from within.
THis is a really big decision to make by BK and hope he gets the right man

COYB

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I know Margaret Thatcher was held in high regard by a particular political party. The fact she was held in high regard didn't make her a very good PM did it?

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18 May 2013 07:07:09
Moyes would naturally want someone worse than him - a novice manger from his backroom staff of mates - as that would make him look better as we sank down the league.

The last thing he wants is for a manager to come in and win a cup or qualify for champs league next year as that will make moyes look worse as everton manager who won nothing and also make life more difficult for him as Man United manager if there's an extra good team knocking about near the top

Which manager would make our opponents sit up and take note of?

For me they would be most scared of Benitez.

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18 May 2013 05:28:15
ed? how much did we spend last summer? PKBLUE {Ed001's Note - spent? Transfer spending itself, without including signing bonuses, paying up loyalty bonuses to leaving players etc, was roughly £1.8m incoming. So you gained £1.8m, rather than spent. The actual amount was £17m spent, £18,8m received, roughly, with currency fluctuations etc.}

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18 May 2013 02:58:50
new to this lads but like to hear wot u all say. lot of zola talk at the mo I dnt agree if u ask me only 2 men for the job mite sound rubbish an bad because he was an ex-red but rafa should b r 1st choice because success follows him at every club if not malky mackay would mayb do a half decent job 4 a year or 2 till we can get sum1 better let's forget about past players being r manager because none of them have the experience an this level or even any level future looks good for blue if I must say so ozzie getting new contract is good bussiness just need 2 strenghten up the squad with a few more players an we can push for the top 4 or even higher.
p. s. good luck moyes great manager amazing servant

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