Everton Banter Archive January 17 2016

 

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17 Jan 2016 21:56:32
We are Everton the eternal underdogs but we always fight! It ain't all doom we have so much good in what we do each week that is positive so I think to constantly criticise is not our way!
If some posters take their attitude to the games then God help us!
We have more good than bad in our club I would pay each week to watch us rather than most premier clubs yet our fans moan constantly, did they not watch us under Smith!

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17 Jan 2016 23:48:40
Where's the fight then? The same fight that saw us get our last win at Newcastle all that time ago! People pay good money to watch Efc and think we have a right to moan. I will support Efc till I die but will not tolerate poor tactics when in a commanding lead, this to me is a frailty of Martinez not being able to read a game or park the bus when needed to see a game out as 99% of managers in the PL would and is suicidal football. You can score as many goals as you want but winning is the key and sadly we cannot at the min.

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18 Jan 2016 08:33:22
Football fans have a right to complain, criticise etc about the way the club performs on the pitch.
They after all pay towards the players wages, the manager and coaches wages and all support staff wages either through turnstile admission, season tickets, ssn subscription, BT sport subscription or tv licence fee.
So if the players, coaches etc are not producing to expectations then they have the right to voice their opinion.
In civvy street, if you don't like the service in a store or other organisation, you can complain and go elsewhere. Everton supporters show their loyalty by turning up week after week to give their support.
In return, the players have to perform, generally they do, the manager has to do what he gets paid to do which is in question. The board have to do their bit, and give the fans the players, manager and coaches the very best the club can afford and be honest about the clubs state of affairs, without being too open about confidential data.

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{Ed025's Note - i have no problem with that keenone, but we do get moaning for the sake of it at times, i will have opinions on all subjects and thats what this forum is about, but lets keep it real and not bitch over everything to do with the club..

18 Jan 2016 08:42:16
both got good points there but I think the main thing is Wakka that, fair enough we are playing some great football but there is a time and place, when we get a decent lead we need to step back a bit and just hold the reigns, 6 points lost alone with Bournemouth, Norwich and Chelsea and these should have been easy matches to put to bed with a bit less gung ho, also two 60 second celebrations cost us, I can understand the players being over excited and this would result in the adrenalin flowing more than usual when we clawed back to a wining position, but we should have never been in that position in the first place, should have been settled back waiting for the whistle, time and a place for everything.

Im dreading the City cup game, if we go all out at City at the Etihad then I fear for us.

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17 Jan 2016 21:18:04
Everyone knows I was a David Moyes supporter and I thought he worked miracles for our club but I have to say that some of the criticism of Martinez is unjust. Especially after the performance of the officials. Firstly we were 2 nil up away at Chelsea. Secondly we had the character to get a 3rd in the 90th minute after they had fought back. Thirdly we then had to endure 8 minutes of extra added on time which their manager talked the ref into adding an extra minute on for our celebrations. Fourthly they scored an equaliser thatwas blatantly offside and fifthly Terry then celebrated for longer than Mori had yet the ref only added a few seconds on? And this is all Martinez's fault? Get real lads.

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18 Jan 2016 01:15:26
We can moan about bad luck all we like Degs but at some point the penny has to drop. We have trouble defending a lead and that has been evident all season. It is down to the manager to sort out the weak links and supply his players with the tactics to see out games. For me, he places far too much emphasis on playing attacking football. That's all well and good but not to the detriment of a solid defence, which we used to have. There has to be a balance but I haven't seen anything of late to suggest RM will compromise his methods.
Someone suggested on here that I was coming at this with a glass half empty attitude but that isn't the case. I wouldn't mind at all if RM suddenly found his winning formula as, ultimately, that would mean we are successful. I'm just looking at the bigger picture, when was our last win? I'd rather come away from the game knowing that we had won 3 points than come out saying how unlucky we were and at least it's a point. But there is only so much we can attribute to luck. We defend naively at times and that has cost us far too many points already this season, made even more galling when you look at the table. In reference to the Terry goal, not many moaned when City never got a last minute penalty the previous game. That's football, unfortunately, and is down to luck. What isn't down to luck is organising your defence properly, that is just the basics of footy.
If we don't finish this season in the top half then It proves that he is not the man to take us forward. In actual fact he would have taken us backwards over the last two seasons. Not good enough for me I'm afraid, the fans and the players deserve better.

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18 Jan 2016 01:47:37
They should never have come back from 2 goals down, that's on Martinez, because it's happened 3 times now this season.

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18 Jan 2016 08:06:05
bit harsh lads - a deflected goal . an awful tim howard mash up, and a goal that should never of been - the boys had a cracking game and martinez tactics and substitutions were spot on, only thing I do agree with is the fact howard should be dropped, we've went to city and chelsea in space of a week and done ok.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you dazza mate..

18 Jan 2016 08:37:13
Perhaps if the players didn't run into the crowd it wouldn't give the ref the option to add time on.

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18 Jan 2016 09:34:18
Sums it up really.Martinez will never sort a defence out.

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18 Jan 2016 09:53:17
Degsy, we are 2-0 up against a poor Chelsea side and let them back into the game then 3-2 up and switched off. Same against Bournemouth, You can blame the officials and yes you can blame the players but it is the Manager that dictates the tactics. Just listen to the bloke for God's sake, absolutely refuses to adopt any other tactic but tippy tappy gung ho stuff, believes that goals from free kicks, corners etc are not proper goals. Just read and listen to his interviews. Arsenal play some good stuff as well as us but guess what they get right first.

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18 Jan 2016 14:12:56
jeez keenone- the passion our players and fans have for the club, fully justifys celebrating like that, we all thought that was a winning goal and we got pumped by the ref! martinez is doing a good job were improving defensively he seen that needed dealt with and has , just harshly unlucky on saturday, he does however need to drop howard cost us a lot of points! his pathetic challenge or lack of it on costa was the nail in the coffin for me . i'm excited by the team we have, squad we have, youngsters coming through, we can't do anything now about past results need to focus on what's on front of us, back martinez, back the team, I 100% will be . good times ahead were one game away from a cup final ffs! bring it on lads NSNO COYB IMWT.

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18 Jan 2016 15:51:28
I love your enthusiasm Daz but I don't agree we are improving defensively. If anything we have stagnated, we are still throwing games away due to mistakes. I've read three good articles today (independent, echo and the mail) which all pretty much highlight the same thing.
Some of it is actually quite scary when you look at the stats during his reign here and at Wigan, the similarities are alarming. I don't think any of us should bury our heads in the sand and pretend that everything is rosy, that we will tighten up defensively some time soon. That is not the way RM works, he has his 'philosophy' and he rarely deviates from it. I'll get behind the team as always but I'm starting to believe that we will not get back to fighting for the euro places whilst this man is at the helm. I want to turn the tv off when he is interviewed as most of his words are nonsense or just plain embarrassing. I mean, he's come out and said we won against Chelsea! WTF is this man thinking?

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17 Jan 2016 20:28:22
Eds,

Do you expect the Byram deal to be completed this tomorrow?

Any whispers on Yarmolenko - will we make an offer when Naismith leaves perhaps?

Any other murmurs on ins or outs?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

17 Jan 2016 20:23:41
hi ed Naismith is said to be on the verge of leaving for 8 mil do u know if we will invest that money on new players and do u know any players we would be in for do u have any news on the sam byram deal if we sign him do u think he would go straight in the team for match against Swansea.

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

17 Jan 2016 20:15:43
everyones thoughts? why are we not getting the results:is it the way we play? defence? midfielders, manager? who? what? I don't know, if we don't attack we lose, if we defend we leak goals. maybe we are just a mid table team now. something got to give, either tactics (which I think is exciting) or defence (i think stones and the wing backs pushes forward to much) , but that's the exciting football. football is entertainment but winning is a must.

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17 Jan 2016 18:59:06
Where is the news on the takeover falling through then Swan?

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17 Jan 2016 18:56:20
Bit of a strange question, granted, and not intended to provoke any silly predictions. How many times, since the advent of the Premier league, have we been within 15 points of the league leaders in the last week of January? Genuine question, just curious.

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17 Jan 2016 17:35:42
Excellent article presently on daily mail online by Elliot Bretland. sums up our present position better than anything I have read yet.

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17 Jan 2016 17:56:23
just read it, he's just stating the obvious nothing that we don't already no about mate.

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17 Jan 2016 19:21:16
We want to be a brave team and win games by not running the clock down or playing with aspects that aren’t what we want to be, said Martinez. Goes along with, not believing that goals from corners or free kicks are not real goals and despite drawing with Chelsea, his still insisting that really we won. I have no idea also if the proposed takeover has fallen through but would anyone really be surprised.

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{Ed025's Note - its all doom and gloom on here today..only for a dick head linesman we would be hailing a great victory and saying how we are not that far off the pace..

17 Jan 2016 19:29:11
am not doom and gloom ed025 we are still in there totally agree with you season is still well and truly alive C. O. Y. B.

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{Ed025's Note - glad to hear it muff mate..

17 Jan 2016 19:43:19
Just a touch of realism Ed025 I just do not know why this guy comes out with this stuff and to be fair, it is rare indeed that I disagree with you. We all said it last season and after 22 games this season I see no reason to change. Good football yes, Lukaku yes but without him where would we really be. Roberto just does not get it, far to nice and that is the bottom line.

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{Ed025's Note - i do get it with some of the complaints DM, half the time it depends on whether your a glass half full or half empty type of guy, most of us work all week and look forward to enjoying following our club at the weekend..i just think we should try and enjoy it a bit more mate..

17 Jan 2016 20:09:48
I get totally frustrated won't to shout all kinds but I hold it back and as I said am staying positive it makes me feel better than been stressed and down all the time I just don't see the point in it I've been a evertonian since I was born, I always say it we have proved to be true supporters with the turmoil ups and downs we been through, there just is no point in slagging manager or players off constantly it comes to nothing apart from ruining your own health, I do understand most peoples frustration but sometimes for the sake of the club and young players we need to hold it in to protect both.

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17 Jan 2016 20:30:11
As I have said before, I have supported them since Ian Buchan but my first real memory is watching Cattericks era and he came in for some stick. All managers have their way of doing things but the reason this guy annoys is his obstinacy, we can all see where we need to improve (and I believe it is only small tweaks) apart from him and quite frankly it is baffling.

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17 Jan 2016 21:08:29
was totally the same with kendall bud in the early 80s the fans wanted him out imagine if carter wouldn't of kept the faith, I think with Martinez its his culture he dose not believe in been negative towards the game of football that's the way he is, I don't agree but am not going to slaughter him every week just don't see the point, to often in this country we don't have that mentality in are culture from grass routes, he's very similar to moyes but in totally different ways moyes was negative in never having enough confidence in his players and always reverting to dropping back tactics, but Martinez dose it the other way he has every faith in his players believes in them and will not change that way of thinking in the same way moyes wouldn't in his way of thinking all I know is I know which way I like it and I truly believe it will work just wish most on here did to.

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17 Jan 2016 16:52:16
just going to amuse my self by looking at the kopites banter sight speak in a bit hahaha.

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17 Jan 2016 17:00:38
hahaha pmsl that was good.

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17 Jan 2016 17:02:42
Make sure you wash your hands before you come back.

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17 Jan 2016 19:17:00
hahaha hands washed, not surprised by no take over not botherd to be honest, but be made up if byram rumours are true, put him strait in against swansea.

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17 Jan 2016 16:22:02
here is a scenario for you we sell naisy this week to norwich he bangs in a hatrick against them lot sat haha you heard it here first.

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17 Jan 2016 16:34:24
wow now that would be a weekend that sounds lovely muff.

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17 Jan 2016 16:48:18
yeh but we need to beat sawnsea aswell that will be perfect weekend haha.

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17 Jan 2016 16:16:35
All disappointed with the result and now 4 games we've scored 3 goals an haven't won, however so many said we needed Jags back but didn't he play in those games? We can score goals this year whip is a massive plus, Bobby knockers are blaming him but so many said it was a good side out there!

Cmon guys it's frustrating and exciting but the players are the ones on the pitch at the end and must shoulder some responsibility, we are a couple of players away from top four and today we outplayed the champions!
I am as frustrated as anyone but still think we are going in the right direction and anyone who thinks we are a new Wigan is deluded!

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17 Jan 2016 16:24:10
"The champions", the champions nearly everyone has beaten this season. We put 2 past them and somehow didn't win. Jags didn't play against Stoke or Bournemouth.

He is turning us in to Wigan, nice football but losing lots of games, barely winning. Closer to the relegation zone each season, best players soon to leave. No work on set pieces, inability to defend, getting worse each game.

Sounds like Wigan to me.

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17 Jan 2016 16:33:49
spot on wakka totally agree.

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17 Jan 2016 16:46:48
Wigan were nothing like us, a few good games (us in the FA cup) but always strugglers!

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17 Jan 2016 17:03:01
As we will be soon.

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17 Jan 2016 17:08:59
When we played the top teams away with Moyes in charge everyone was moaning we never had a go and we were just seeing a draw is a good result. Now we have Martinez who goes to every team to try and win, you moan.
Yes its frustrating, yes Martinez has made mistakes. But I am loving the way we play.

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17 Jan 2016 19:18:05
Bit of a daft statement mate, we are similar to the way he had Wigan playing and getting slightly better results because we have better players. I'm not deluded, I can see the comparisons in front of my eyes and it doesn't look good to me. If we sell Rom then draws will turn to defeats as he dominates our goal scoring. That is the biggest difference between us and the Wigan side he managed, we have a top notch forward at present.
I agree the players have to shoulder some responsibility for the bad defending they do at times but the buck stops with the manager. As it does at any club. He sets them up to play the 90 minutes each game. He continues to play players out of form, he continues to not practice set pieces both attacking and defending. His stubbornness will eventually lead to his demise but how much longer do we have to put up with this? If we finish in the bottom half again then we will lose a few of our top players come the summer, it's inevitable. Any position less than 8th is failure and certainly not taking us to the next level he assured us all he would when he rode into Goodison. The job is to big for the man, question is will we wait until it's too late to act?

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17 Jan 2016 21:35:15
that's the negative way to look at it spud but there is also a positive way your glass is half empty mine is half full, I do know were your coming from but we ain't wigan and never will be.

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17 Jan 2016 16:13:36
Only Everton can make you feel this way and I know we all want to get better and win things but look we sent in too bad a position one game away from a final, still in fa cup with an easy looking next round, and 2 wins off top six, beat Swansea and get past city and the world is a happy place again c'mon lads cheer up ay.

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{Ed025's Note - well said johny..

17 Jan 2016 16:39:40
spot on johny89 we are a good team.

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17 Jan 2016 16:47:43
not forgetting League cup semi, one goal up!

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17 Jan 2016 16:49:38
good post some light at last!

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17 Jan 2016 19:23:33
only half time wakka57 still a long way to go but we defo can do it nothing to fear take a 3-3 now haha.

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17 Jan 2016 15:59:04
who said rooney is finished he still has a lot to offer, the draw duznt look to bad now still in touch two home wins were in the mix.

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17 Jan 2016 16:13:43
i agree muff on both points,i would take rooney all day long and two home games on bounce the door is still ajar.

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17 Jan 2016 16:15:15
Rooney is finished to be fair, was awful, even made Sakho look like a semi professional footballer.

Chuffed with the result though.

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17 Jan 2016 16:20:50
ye what! sakho is a footballer

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{Ed025's Note - hmmm.. :)

17 Jan 2016 15:45:20
haha love it ,the old everton one two,FELLAINIE TO ROONEY GOAAAAALLLL.thanks lads for cheering me up a bit.

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17 Jan 2016 11:52:33
my opinion would be to sell stones for £50 million and reinvest in the team. great bit of business. fori in my opinion is just as good and we got him for £9 million. every team needs good defenders but we need a good play maker £15m striker (lakaku replacement if gets injured) £10m, goalkeeper (howard will go to america in the summer) £10m and 15 million for a solid defender like jags.

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17 Jan 2016 12:13:34
I'm coming around to the idea of selling Stones myself. His presence is not stopping us leaking goals. In saying that I suspect that Martinez will destroy defenders the way Moyes did forwards.

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17 Jan 2016 13:14:17
Mori is just as good? How? He can barely kick a ball. We lose Stones and keep Mori and Jags as our 2 then we have 2 defenders who can't control a football.

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17 Jan 2016 13:17:06
But would the money be spent on new player or would it go missing?

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{Ed025's Note - obviously go missing.. :)

17 Jan 2016 15:44:32
To be fair Swan Mori can kick a ball well. His goal yesterday shows that. but he isnot comfortable on the ball like Stones. that's why all these other clubs want him. His composure for a youngster is immense.

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17 Jan 2016 16:14:30
the thing with stones is his defenceive side of his game needs sorting massively he's far from the finished article ie amount of goals we let in, he is class on the ball tho.

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17 Jan 2016 16:27:44
I don't mean his shooting degsy. I mean his passing and control of the ball, even some of the worst footballing defenders (Zouma, Jagielka and Bardsley) can shoot quite well. He just can't bring it out and often looks like his shoes have been tied together when trying to clear the ball.

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17 Jan 2016 11:03:27
I can only assume a lot of posts are put on here in the heat of frustration after a few sherbets as some posters really need to read back their comments!
We had a lot of bad luck yesterday bad deflected goal and one offside, you cannot compensate for this, but again midweek the luck was with us.
I keep reading so much criticism of players like Barkley, Stones etc yet other top clubs covet these players, who do you intend replacing them with that is better or wants to play for Everton Yarmolenko?
I have myself been critical of RM however he picked a strong team yesterday, made changes when necessary and cannot be blamed for the result! He did not fall over under the challenge of Costa, Jags did the captain so many wanted back in place of Stones!
lets face it a 3-3 draw albeit yet again was disappointing but by scoring 3 we have a chance to win games the old 0-0 shut outs under Moyes we had no chance. Chelsea are not at their best but are still champions and full of top players!
I think we need to sometimes realise that we have a decent team and are just a couple of additions short of being top four club, we have great youth development and could be a lot worse off, just look at Villa who were comparable to ourselves in the past.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that wakka mate..

17 Jan 2016 12:03:01
Where are we in the league? How many games have we won? How many goals have we conceded? I think yesterday's comments and complaints are just a culmination of poor results for the last 1.5 seasons. We're not getting better, nothing is changing at all. We're a mid/ bottom half team with some good individuals who won't stay if 'exciting' football doesn't result in winning games. I'd rather have boring 1-0 victories than high scoring draws and defeats.

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17 Jan 2016 13:12:03
Be careful what you wish for, we are a better team this year than last, unfortunately you are right that results are not good enough, but we have started to improve and are on a run of playing top teams! If as so many want we sell the crown jewels who will come in? we only have a chance of attracting better players by keeping our own.
The club as a whole manager and players need to address this and as an Evertonian I will continue to support them, I can remember a time when things were a 100 times worse than they are now!

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17 Jan 2016 13:18:32
We went to a team that has been awful this season, were 2-0 up, then even 3-2 up with barely any time left, and still messed it up! . How can the manager not take any blame when the EXACT same thing happened against Bournemouth. Or was Jags at fault in that game, which would be difficult seeing how he didn't play. We don't have the ability to go gung ho like Liverpool did 2 seasons ago. The old you score 2 we score 3 thing, instead, we score 2 or 3 and the opposition score 3 or 4. Look where we are in the league and people tried to blame Europa League last season. Martinez used that excuse constantly, what is the excuse now? Oh it's Jags fault? .

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{Ed025's Note - yesterday was only 1 persons fault swan..the bloody linesman..

17 Jan 2016 13:46:46
And who's fault for giving away a 2 goal lead? Same question for the Bournemouth game. The linesman? .

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{Ed025's Note - no the ref that time...we are playing some lovely stuff mate and are the entertainers, yes we could have had more points and yes the defensive flaws are there for all to see but we are still a work in progress...do you want to go back to the monotonous moyes way of playing by boring us all to death?..

17 Jan 2016 13:55:38
We're celebrating draws and convincing ourselves that midtable is okay because we look pretty. I don't really want to sell our stars but we'll have no choice if we can't provide them the platform they deserve. Martinez has proven over the last 1.5 seasons that he cannot take us forward. Check the stats; they don't lie. As long as we accept RM's inability to set us up to get wins it shows our small club mentality.

I don't mean this as a personal attack Wakka, far from it as I also remember being 100 times worse. In those days out squad was 100 times worse as well though. It was less depressing failing to get results then because I knew we were rubbish. Now we're much better on paper than grass.

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{Ed025's Note - its also no use moaning about everything everton either pod, the players are crap, the stadium is a dump, the chairman a thief, the manager an idiot, all comments said by supposed evertonians recently..how about lets support the club and get behind the set up we have for a change?..its ok to have the odd moan here and there but lets not go over the top..

17 Jan 2016 14:59:09
All of them bar the players being crap is true to be fair.

Ed, I don't see why it is an either/ or situation, Martinez or Moyes. Leicester and Arsenal play football just as good as ours without defending like we do.

The work in progress will halt massively when Stones, Deulofeu and Lukaku leave in the summer because this manager somehow hasn't done anything with them.

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{Ed025's Note - i think your being a bit harsh mate, yes we need to defend better as a unit but we have been very unlucky at times for me..

17 Jan 2016 16:09:42
I wouldn't take it that way Pod, I will advocate that RM has to shoulder some of the blame, but remember in yesterdays game one blatant offside and one which was a wicked deflection and pure fluke, these things happen, seemingly to us a lot but its bad luck!
ed025 is correct the football is so much better now, I absolutely believe a couple of good signings can be a catalyst to change our fortunes season!
time to splash the cash board members!

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17 Jan 2016 17:03:23
In seasons gone by yesterdays result wouldn't be so disappointing. My gripe, leaving the officials aside, is we are leaking too many soft goals which keep costing us points. The fact that this has happened a few times this year means there is an underlying problem. For me, our defensive capabilities have been compromised under RM, albeit for a more attacking style. That, however, is getting us nowhere apart from further down the league. Like it or not, we are similar to his Wigan side. We may have better players, for now, but the style is pretty much the same. Take away Rom and his goals and we are in a dog fight. Like players, young managers should learn as they gain experience but I'm not so sure RM is prepared to do that, he stubbornly chips away with his methods without changing much at all. If we finish outside the top ten this season then it is obvious we are going backwards under his leadership. Lose some of our better players this summer then we are in trouble. The attacking football, when we are on top of our game, may be good to watch but not at the expense of our top flight status. We have to hope this take over talk isn't just hot air, it could be the only thing that saves us in the end.

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17 Jan 2016 17:37:08
Pod is spot on, 1-0 every time for me. Football is a results business, you can play all the 'incredible, exciting, phenomenal' football you want but if all it ends up in is draws and losses, that by any definition is not progress. The fact is that we are worse positionally under Martinez than we were under Moyes and that is phenomenal considering that we have the best Squad we have had in ages (and I agree with that) . No need bleating about extra time either, yesterday our own players exuberance jumping into the crowd etc it took a good minute to restart the game and against Bournemouth our own supporters ran onto the pitch, all bad luck of our own making.

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