Everton Banter Archive June 16 2016

16 Jun 2016 22:30:58
What does everyone think to playing stones in the Eric Dier role? Just in front of the back four but a licence to go forward. This way it would take the pressure off his defence side but make the most of his passing.

17 Jun 2016 07:07:36
Was saying that all last season mate the lads talented enough with the ball to do that and I reckon that's why city want him to play him there.

17 Jun 2016 09:17:39
Couldn't agree more, it would allow him the freedom to move forward with the ball and use his range of passing and would also be protection against the occasional mistake he still has in him with defenders behind him to provide cover.

17 Jun 2016 14:53:58
Only trouble is he'd get even less time on the ball and might get exposed even more.

17 Jun 2016 16:52:45
Central Defensive Midfielder in a bit of the Yaya Toure ilk would suit him best I think.

16 Jun 2016 21:10:06
ed 25 what your opinion of strootman and witsel rumours id prefer witsel out to surprised we haven't been linked with wagnam or Davis.

{Ed025's Note - i like strootman and witsel bretto, top players who i like us being linked to mate..

16 Jun 2016 21:59:52
only thing is injury record str ootman. koeman press confrence is tommorow at 1 30 can't wait.

16 Jun 2016 19:05:51
I know what lakaku has said and I know his control is not the best. We all know how badly he played over last 10 game. But if he never played badly in those last 10 games how many goals would he got last season. If he stays I will support him.

16 Jun 2016 20:08:59
We all will mate, just at the moment he wants to go so we all want rid, if he signs a new contract we will forgive him quick enough, I think he is staying now myself because no one will pay him more than the 150k rumoured we are offering after his latest display.

16 Jun 2016 20:48:26
Not done well for Belgium either. Poor performance I've been reading.

16 Jun 2016 22:54:19
To be fair to Rom he does seem to be the scapegoat for an under performing Belgium.

17 Jun 2016 08:07:09
I don't think rom can handle the pressure in cup competitions look at him in the world cup super cup and fa cup now the euros.

16 Jun 2016 17:22:55
Formbyjules, I totally agree with what you said. It is exciting times and I do worry about Koeman.
Last 2 seasons we were badly managed hence the disappointing placings.
Everton's bar is already set at Europa league and previous manangers do get us there Moyse did and Martinez just missed out.
So getting us to Europa is exciting yes, but are we actually improving. If we finish 10th this season it's an improvement so are we going to be happy with that. Don't get me wrong though the Premiership is a tough tough league.

Genuine question what are people's expectations for this season and the couple after.

16 Jun 2016 17:49:05
I want us to go into every match with the intention of winning and to enter every competition with the intention of winning.
Intention is not the same as expectation. The former is a mindset of a being professional and a winner; the latter is often a mindset of believing we have a right to win rather than doing so by attitude, skill and hard work.
Of course, we all hope to do well - be that finishing in the European places or winning a cup - but that's just hope not expectation.
While accepting that we will sometimes be beaten by a better side on the day (or have bad luck in some matches) , I don't want anyone using the defeatist excuse of "bringing a knife to a gunfight". The least that any player can do is give their all on the field and work their socks off - irrespective of the technical quality of the players.
At end of the season, we can assess what we've done and comment on whether or not we reckon it's acceptable.
By the way, I back my hopes every season by putting a modest wager (each way) on Everton to win each first-team competition they're in. The mid-80s were very rewarding, but there have obviously been precious little winnings since ;-)

16 Jun 2016 18:43:33
I think I will be heading into the new season with no expectations as it's about getting the team playing to Rons tune. Don't get me wrong I won't be happy with a repeat of the last couple of seasons but I believe the high expectations put pressure on the players and fuel the boo boys. How about we just embrace the change and see how we get on before setting the bar.

16 Jun 2016 19:19:13
Expectations top 6. It will take a couple of years and a lot more investment and time to break into the top 4. Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spuds and yes the RS, for us to break into that lot will take some doing. I will tell you what though in a poor season that Leicester came to the fore Koeman would not have done a Martinez if he had been our Manager.

16 Jun 2016 17:29:39
With the current squad i'd expect top 8 at least. Depending who we sign possibly top 6. We have to aim for europe as a minimum every year tho. who knows where we will be in 3 years time but the eventual goal has to be regular cl and the prem title. But that's a long long way off at the moment.

17 Jun 2016 09:24:35
I think this season has proved that the top 4 are no longer going to be the same guaranteed clubs anymore and at last it is more acheiveable for other clubs not saying it will be easy or even likely but in seasons past you could pretty much say who the top 4 were going to be before the season started.

17 Jun 2016 08:47:02
Top 4 for me Imo we are not that far away from it and should of been up there last season I would also say Liverpool are in the same boat as us so wouldn't put them in the same bracket as spurs chelsea utd city or arsenal they finished in the same league position that they where when Brenda was manager yet listening to ex players and a lot of fans you would think they finished 5th and just missed out on champions league which wasn't the case so don't understand why everyone thinks it's acceptable to say they will challenge for the title yet all we can hope for is top 8.

16 Jun 2016 13:29:31
Why would toure not come are you his agent money talks being Everton fans we know that.

16 Jun 2016 14:52:30
Why would we want Toure? He will want a stupid wage that he's not worth, he's at the end of his career and he looks at least 5 stone overweight. No thanks for me.

16 Jun 2016 16:28:32
Couldn't agree more bluegray87.

16 Jun 2016 17:28:57
I'm sure that the club - and most of the fans - would prefer us to be bringing through talented U21/ U18 players (as along as this young talent can deliver) rather than having to transfer in players, but, as others have stated, it's nice to know that we can compete financially for those special players that will enhance our team.
A team of talented homegrown players dotted with top-quality additions would suit me.
That's a bit like the team that Harry Catterick put together for the 1970 league title. : Wright, Labone, Hurst, Harvey, Husband, Royle, Whittie and Jackson all brought through from the juniors; West, Brown, Newton, Kendall, Ball and Morrissey brought in over the preceding years. (Apologies to any others I've missed out. )

{Ed002's Note - The world of football has changed considerably in the past 45 years Sid.}

16 Jun 2016 18:03:18
Ed002: Of course it's changed and I accept that there's almost certainly little chance that any top club will bring through enough talented youngsters - and must therefore rely on transferring in better players - but I stand by my wish that as many homegrown talented youngsters as possible do come through into our first team. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one :-)

{Ed002's Note - One day maybe Sid.}

16 Jun 2016 23:33:56
I'm a dreamer also Sid. All a lot of these youngsters need is a chance. If they don't get into the first team before they are 22 there chances of making it are very small. Managers are reluctant to risk playing youngsters too which keeps the cycle going.

I hope some of our youngsters get a proper chance. Look at Dier and Mustafi. Although I'm well aware hindsight is easy to comment on. These players made it when given a proper go of it.

17 Jun 2016 08:01:43
Sid, you will also remember the supply chain of players Catterick brought in from Scotland, eg Alex Young, Alex Parker, Tommy Ring, Jimmy Gabriel in addition to your mention of Sandy Brown. Also Tony Kay from Sheffield We'd also excellent buy.

16 Jun 2016 12:38:56
Degsypulford following on thread below about players. I think you misread my comments if it was me you were referring to.

I wasn't for one second saying when players were at Everton they are good and when they go elsewhere they are bad.

My point was under Moyes certain players looked good because of the set up Moyes had. I'm not having a Moyes debate or praising him just commenting on players that were here at that time.

As I said Moyes played the team as one unit and this was the teams strength unknown to a lot of people imho. When certain players for example Arteta and Lescott left they were not playing as part of a unit to the extent at Everton.

They didn't become 'bad' players once they played somewhere else but it is my opinion not having as much of a unit style like Moyes had at their new clubs did not work in their favour.

Both done well at their new clubs imho but didn't improve as much as people thought before they moved. Due to the set up Moyes had. Just the way I see it.

Martinez for example had a team playing as individuals imho. That obviously didn't work and explains alot, not all, of our problems at the back under him compared to Moyes.

I'm talking about the players and only mention the managers as they obviously have a huge input into the style of play which in turn affects the players.

That's why I fully believe a better manager would get more out of our current squad. These are just my opinions.

16 Jun 2016 18:38:01
Totally agre nbtb.

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16 Jun 2016 10:05:23
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16 Jun 2016 11:49:40
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16 Jun 2016 12:14:26
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16 Jun 2016 12:20:06
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16 Jun 2016 13:44:02
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16 Jun 2016 16:39:46
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17 Jun 2016 10:55:44
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16 Jun 2016 07:33:58
I really am interested in the first RK signings or should I say new additions .

Judging him negatively on these will imo be the wrong thing to do he has a rep. of being very very flexible and pragmatic.
So if he doesn't go for 'Marquee players' straightaway I'll trust HIS 'priorities' before those who are waiting with baited breath to 'slam' him etc. . .
My guess and certainly my hope is, that he already has a plan and a plan 'b'!

16 Jun 2016 08:09:36
I agree mate, only thing is some posters will never be happy and are continually negative, to expect immediate success is ridiculous but like I said some posters will never change, a player has a couple of bad games and they will be on his back, whatever we get we will always want more, that's the human way, look at Arsenal in CL for 20 years and they all still moan.

16 Jun 2016 10:08:22
What is a marquee signing anyway? A player that cost a lot because their club don't want to sell? A proven international that plays in a league that we think is good? I'd be happy with any signing that affects the team in a positive way enabling us to finish top of the league and win some silverware but then wouldn't we all, hang on we are Everton so there is bound to be someone moaning! Even if it does happen.

16 Jun 2016 07:02:11
I really hope we go for Mane. A top player with loads of pace. If we were to only get 1 player from Southampton player he is the one I would like. Would like a few more Forester, Bertrand, Van Dyke, and Long but Mane most important for me. I think we should sell Lukaku because if he is forced to stay he may sulk and not perform to force a move in Jan. He clearly wants to go so no point holding any player that does not want to play for us the same goes for Stones.

16 Jun 2016 09:42:05
Mane hates Koeman, google search . saints would want £50 mil plus for him.

16 Jun 2016 07:19:28
Beginning to agree about Lukaku. When he arrived I was stunned that we had such a player. But he seems to have gone from one sulk to another. The sulks are also taken onto the pitch and he does not seem to have improved much if at all in the seasons he has been with us. He banged in 20 with WBA nad has done the same with us. He should be getting more now. The last 10 games of this season showed his moods quite clearly.

16 Jun 2016 04:34:12
Any truth in th rumour, Lukakus dad wants his son to play for Brazil instead of Belguim, tongue firmally in cheek.

16 Jun 2016 09:57:06
Good joke about Lukaku and Brazil, but there's a kernel of truth in it, as many fans/ posters reckon that both his dad and his agent are nuts ;-)