Everton Banter Archive July 16 2013

16 Jul 2013 21:52:47
Hi ed told you 2 weeks ago about jelavic. His heart is, nt in the club should sell him to west ham and get 5m +diame. Then buy a defender rolander or. Alderweireld. Would also get rid of the crap. Naismith, anichebe, Duffy, heitinga.

Since when was duffy crap? he's not been given a chance to prove himself yet!

Anichebe, Crap?! Are you an person? Although he didn't get the goals you would hope for from a target man, his hold up and link up play was fantastic and he was a key reason we scored so many as a team. Duffy hasn't been given a proper chance yet, but has impressed me whenever he has played, as well.

I think you're living on a cloud Vinny. "get rid of the crap". Duffy is not crap. And if you're judging it by Sunday's FRIENDLY MATCH then you're the most unfair person on this planet. If you are judging it by one match, most of our team is crap as no player had a 100% 'good game record'.

It isn't Duffy's fault that Moyes thought "After Rooney got sold because he was a great young player, I will play no young players ever again. That way other teams don't see how good they are. "

What are everyone else's thoughts on Duffy?

Heitinga wants to go, so let him, but the others I feel I need to defend slightly mate. Duffy was poor in the Vienna game, but he's young and still got good potential. Jelavic will benefit from playing in a more suitable position and fed more by the players around him, which will happen a lot more when paired with Kone. Big Victor just had probably his best season and, even though he's not got a great finish, each time I saw him play at home, he was strong, committed and held the ball up well. He gives us a different option tactically and if it could only sink in how terrifying he could be to a defence, he'll build on what he did last season. And Naismith makes a mean cup of Bovril. Can't have the lads missing out on that.

Don't you remember how Duffy played when we had an injury crisis a few years back and showed such maturity when he was only a teen, jheez some fans just love to hate.

I love how he says Jelavic's heart isn't in the club. Now I don't know 100% about him, but the fact that he ended his holidays early so he can travel up to Austria to see the boys and watch them play, hardly represents a player that doesn't want to be here.

Don't think Duffy is crap either, he is young and a CB, they take time to develop, and need consistent game time, which is why I would think a loan would be a really good move for him at this stage, get him consistent game time, and then we can see if he can make the grade or not.

Yep agree with the last poster, he came back off holiday early and headed up to Austria to be with the team and travelled home with them. Doesn't seem like a player who is disilusioned to me.

16 Jul 2013 22:19:09
Does anyone know when the new away kit and alternate kit will be announced? Cheers

Usually week or so before the season starts

16 Jul 2013 20:39:02
New to here but my user name gives away many things about me COYB IRWT

How old are you Alan. And welcome.

63 Keith EFC

16 Jul 2013 17:02:59
Ayone think Martinez should ask/tell Mirrallas to be a bit less greedy?

Mirrallas is great when he scores from a slim chance by keepig the ball himself, but he often does not pass when he should

it's a fine balance - but I think he is just slightly on the greedy side to the detriment of his teammates sometimes- like the fluffed chance against Vienna when he tried to round the keeper instead of passing to teammate on pen spot

But then messi looses the ball the most in europeon football so yes can be slightly greedy but then you sometimes won't get the goals he scores

Do they say the same to Messi or Ronaldo?

I want to see more of Mirallas on the ball and running at the opposition

I would want him to do the the opposite. Let mirallas run free so he can score those goals and so what if he loses the ball a couple of times when most of the time he produces. He is quality.
Blue kaz

I think Del Boy is the same if not worse for being a bit greedy but then again I like it when we have a go. We have been quilty of trying to pass our way in to the net sometimes.

Kev is good but he ain't messi or Ronaldo - it's just keeping a tally of goals scored through being greedy vs missed chances gone thru not passing

He'd be perfect for me if he just reined it in a bit - like some chances are 80% chances, so go for it - some are 60% so still fair dinkum, but its the 20-30 % chances he should look to pass on I think but still one of our top players so not having a go - just wondering if he needs to tweak it a bit?

He got 9 goals and 6 assists last season the same as Baines in assists. Hardly greedy!

Don't think Moyes did Super Kev any favours when after he played well, he went on to tell the press that Kev had to toughen up. Some might see this as a gauntlet thrown to encourage him, but I thought it was just plain ungrateful and rude. He'd been playing in the PL less than half a season and despite arriving with an injury, immediately showed his potential. Martinez will get the best out of him. I reckon he'll be the player we'll all be worrying about another team bidding for this time next year.

16 Jul 2013 15:56:21
Would anyone sign Javier Saviola on a free? I would, top class on the ball and only the same age as Ossie so has a good few years left in him yet. Views?

COYB. Sweaty Blue.

16 Jul 2013 15:11:34
Just got tickets for accrington tomorrow night! Anyone got any team news?

Kone might make his debut

Might be a similar line up as against Austria Vienna. I know that we're still without Stones, Barkley, Lundstram, Long, Garbutt, Kone, Deulofeu, Coleman, Heitinga, Howard and Jelavic for various holiday / international duty commitments. Be good to see Vellios given another shot. He played well against Vienna. So did Oviedo, so it would be good to see him cement his place in the squad. Peanuts needs some competition after some of his performances last season. I'm still keen to see more of Joel in goal (. is there some kind of chant there in the making?!) as I genuinely believe we might have picked up potentially one of the best signings of the window so far. Could be the Michu of 'keepers.

16 Jul 2013 12:42:47
I love Leighton Baines, and I think he's our best player by some way. But for a 28 year old, would you rather have Siqueira (who I've not seen much of, but is apparently good) + £14mil for him?

Never seen the other guy but baines is the best LB in the PL and arguably the world who also created the most chance from any player in any major league. I wouldn't even pick up the phone for less than 20m.
Quinny

Siqueira is 27, so there's not that much difference there, but there is a huge difference in their ability. He's very good, but he's not in the same league as Baines.

AB1878

Don't sell Baines.

16 Jul 2013 11:38:54
Ever Banega has been told he can leave Valencia as they need the money.
With the Honda deal looking dead I for 1 would like to see Everton put a bid in

Southampton have offered £7.6 million

S1878

Anyone remember Moyes trying to sign him on loan and it fell through? Think it was about when we got Johnny Heitinga. Apparently he was described as 'too weird for the EPL'. Whatever that means.

16 Jul 2013 09:42:34
Moyes has gone down so much in my view, he is using inside information and knowledge of financial works of our club to try and rob us of our best players on cheap.
if he cared for this club as he said he does he would look elsewhere

Toffeedeano

Good post deano tp.

Every manager does it, they go back to the club they have left to poach players

Managers like to have players they know can perform in their style

So would u say the same about RM getting players from Wigan the same way?

How do you think Wigan feel as Martinez has done the same? Most managers go to former players because they know their realistic financial price and have worked with them in the past. IMO Moyes is still a great manager and I won't change that view anytime soon

Re Martinez and Wigan is not at all a similar comparison to make with Moyes and Everton. For one Dave Whelan openly stated he wouldn't prevent El Bob from going back for Wigan players and actively encouraged it.
Secondly, Kone asked for a transfer, Alcaraz was a free agent and Joel Robles came from A Madrid.
Moyes allegedly 'bid' for Baines when he was still technically Everton manager.

Nothing wrong with it if you show the former club some respect. Kone had a clause in his contract and we activated it. Alcaraz was out of contract, so wasn't a Wigan player, as was Robles who was back at Atletico.

I wouldn't have a problem with Moyes if he wanted to get Baines and Fellaini, because they are terrific players, but give us their true valuation, 12mil for Baines is simply a piss take from Moyes and shows no respect to the club that gave him a chance in this league, he knows the valuation of Baines, but is trying to pull one over on us.

17 Jul 2013 10:19:46
I'm a Manchester United fan who has a lot of respect for Everton ( my brother supports them for one thing) but I'm sensing a lot of double standards here. Moyes is going downhill in your view as he wants to sign a couple of your players and is using his knowledge of their contracts etc, but it's perfectly acceptable for Martinez to do the same thing to Wigan? I mean its not like he didn't take advantage of knowing about Kone's release clause is it?

Maybe before slating Moyes etc you should think about what your own manager (who I also respect a lot, especially since beating City in the cup) is doing? I mean how many Wigan players has he signed and how many Everton players have we signed?

Finally, I would like to say you are doing a great job Ed0025.

MEF

p. s. good luck for the coming season and I hope you finish above the LFC yet again :)

Final poster, if you actually read everything written above, you will see that the two situations are completely different. We only signed one Wigan player and we did that by activating his release clause. Moyes is trying to poach our two best players at rock bottom price despite knowing full well he would have never even entertained the idea as manager of us. Take your double standards comments elsewhere.

16 Jul 2013 01:57:30
Few papers linking us with Toby Alderweild from Ajax, really rate him think it be a great signing. Would like to see one more attacking midfielder/right midfielder come in. Probably gomma wait on a player or two to leave first now tho. COYB

Would his signing mean Heitinga out and possibly Duffy out also but on loan?
Would it mean a back-three? {Ed025's Note - for me sid, toby coming would see johnny going, but duffy kept as back up..

I think Heitinga is gone regardless if we sign this lad or not.

Of course, if we could use Heitinga as part of the deal to bring this lad in, would be absolute cracking bit of business by the club, because this lad can play and would suit Martinez's style perfectly, and besides, he is Belgian, nowadays can't go wrong with signing a Belgian.