Everton Banter Archive January 16 2018

 

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16 Jan 2018 20:16:03
Mcaleny doing well for fleetwood. He on loan or we sell him?

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{Ed025's Note - we sold him geoff..

16 Jan 2018 20:27:14
Never mind. Commentator said he was still on loan. Looks like he will do well at that level.

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{Ed025's Note - im afraid he was mistaken geoff..

16 Jan 2018 21:15:19
If we sold him there's a real chance he'll be doing well 😂.

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17 Jan 2018 08:31:40
Think he got sold before start of season smit. Just saying he'll be good at league 1 level. Hopefully get better and move up the leagues.
Always good to see ex blues doing well (except maybe ross) . Gethin Jones plays for them too (Again not sure if he is loan or sold)

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17 Jan 2018 10:35:42
gethin was a permanent Geoff (:

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16 Jan 2018
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, Who is this

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16 Jan 2018 21:16:08
Looks like Craig the everton chauffeur.

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16 Jan 2018
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, shots on target

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16 Jan 2018 18:47:26
Well Big Sam is being backed with some serious money here in this window and good on Mr Moshiri in backing the guy, once this window is finished Big Sam won't have to rely on so many of the second rate players Koeman brought in, let's all judge him at the end of the season.

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16 Jan 2018 19:42:57
I'm glad it's not only the 5 of us (on here) who are willing to back him mate, you, me and 3 others. Saying that though he won't get everything sorted in this window.

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16 Jan 2018 19:47:45
What’s with the thumbs down guys?

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{Ed025's Note - take no notice chalkie mate..

16 Jan 2018 19:51:08
Fingers x he will mate cheers, at least he's made a start NZongi still being linked and what about Johnny Evans could be good shout.

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16 Jan 2018 19:55:07
Lots of thumbs down there Guernsey think they are the Sam haters, the problem is you can't please everyone when we were looking for Rks successor every name that was mentioned different people had different views on why we should or shouldn't have hired them.
I'm happy to have Walcott sign lb next and I will happy till the summer as Grumpy says we can't sort everything out in this window let's just get behind Sam and the lads and see what happens.

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{Ed025's Note - well said lee..

16 Jan 2018 20:04:41
With you there mate all the way.

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16 Jan 2018 20:12:40
I think there may be more than three Grumpy. I am supporting Sam and his guys and hope that they do well. We do need a left-black though.

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16 Jan 2018 20:22:31
hopefully next mate.

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16 Jan 2018 20:39:31
Wish I was as optimistic as you grumpy but I wouldn't trust sam with a tenner to spend . and think he will ruin Walcott I'm just counting down the days till he has gone so i can enjoy the football again . sorry grumpy ho po e you prove me wrong.

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16 Jan 2018 21:20:34
Ed you need to name and shame the thumb downs on this site. Or change it to a yellow and red card.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont know who they are to be honest smit, its just a poll though and people have different views so i would not take it so serious mate..

16 Jan 2018 21:49:25
I hope we do manage to prove you wrong Skylark mate, But let's enjoy the banter and keep the post coming.

I know you love Sam and only pretend to be a hater lol.

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16 Jan 2018 22:01:43
Yes grumpy I've been hiding in the stands cheering him on 😂.

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16 Jan 2018 21:53:50
Well said mate.

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16 Jan 2018 22:31:26
Walcot not signed yet. I must admit I did not think we had a chance with the lad but fair do's to Walsh, if he does get him. Tosun, Walcott up front with Bolasie/ DCL will be good as long as we have the provision from midfield. I would hope that Sam once he has his attack preference that he will then turn his attention to midfield. If he will not start Rooney from the bench then at least put him on the left and let Siggy be the playmaker No 10.

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17 Jan 2018 01:26:11
I don’t dislike Sam and will give my support. I will judge him on what I see the team do on the pitch. He has inherited someone else’s players and deserves a chance.
As another poster mentioned there was no standout candidate for the job.
First thing I noticed when Sam had job is that he is a strong character who had respect of players as the boss. One criticism I have early on is that the players he has chosen so far in the starting 11 and playing an unbalanced team. We needed pace so why not start Lookman and play Sigurdson in the position we signed him for.
We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors so in fairness to Sam he obviously doesn’t think Loikman is ready to play from the start week in week out.
Also the obvious hope is Garbutt to play LB as I said we don’t know the whole story maybe the lad has an attitude problem, maybe not fit like Luke Shaw was in his early days at Utd. I will say this though if any player is not ready for first team when needed what is the point of having them in u23’s squad. Banigime looked good when Unsworth gave him a chance just hope Sam will give them all a chance to shine and not turn out to be like a Walter Smith preferring experienced players. I understand what Sam said about we lack players at their peak age 27-30 and maybe you need that balance of experience and youth as well as balanced playing team. I just hope he finds both soon and we can enjoy the remainder of season and start having hope again.

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{Ed0333's Note - that was interesting reading Robbie, the only think I would disagree with would be when you said there was no stand out candidate for the job. I think there was a lot better out there who would have taken the job had you had been more diligent with the process. Don’t get me wrong I don’t bash Allardyce just because off his ‘business deals’ away from football but it’s his prehistoric style I take umbrage at, it’s an insult to soccer. His journalist buddies are so jingoistic about his innovative coaching methods but I don’t see anything forward thinking about his football. So he may use an iPad but wouldn’t you guys rather see Everton play slick, cohesive, enchanting football? Please don’t think I’m here to gloat being a Liverpool fan I grew up watching that great Everton side with Reid, Mountjoy, Southall, etc and I loved the tonkings they used to give everyone and the brand of football they played. I just pity the fact you have to put up with this when with your heritage you deserve better.

17 Jan 2018 04:00:30
At the time I would of chose David Moyes over Allardyce as he only signed a contract with West Ham until the end of the season. Moyes does seem to have that hunger back but saying that maybe he wouldn’t of had it here as he may have become complacent.
We need to support what we have and move on.

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17 Jan 2018 07:35:11
I don't understand the idea that criticism of something that you see and don't like or disagree with constitutes lack of support for the team. I am not sure what "getting behind" Sam means. We have had no shots on target in the league in January. Does stating that fact mean I am not getting behind Sam?

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17 Jan 2018 09:04:56
Robbie, great post. I also said over the last 4 seasons that we were signing players not at their peaks so I agree 100% with Sam. Players mature and produce their best football at usually 25-30. Everton seemed to sign kids or players at 28 onwards and none at the right age. Yes Lookman is easily bullied off the ball like many younger players. He needs to leard his trade yet. Sam is the one watching training and obviously feels that Sig is not strong enough for the middle. that's the one I would disagree with . but if we all picked a team and formation, there would be a lot of differences. Sam has a set of players who are performing now in exactly the same way as the 10 games before he arrived. He managed to grind out a few results with the sae squad and then we had a very difficult run of fixtures. We now have a couple of winnable games whereby we we can secure our top flight status and sign a couple of players. I honestly don't think we can expect any more at the moment. We need to secure our place first and then look to build and experiment once that is done. I am sure this is how he is looking at it. I am also sure that Koeman had lost the dressing room and without a change we would be sitting bottom of the table now and those moaners would have a lot more to moan about. And by the way, this is because of selling Lukaku, Barkleys injury then sale. and an inability to sign a decent left back and players to replace the two who left. and 4 years of signing players who don't score goals. In a crazy way, Rooney has been our saviour. Imagine where we would be without that one players goals. We have scored 25 league goals in 23 games. Rooney scored 10 of them. That leaves 15 from 23 games from the rest of the squad! Only Swansea have scored less. There lies our problem. I have listed our non goal scoring players many times and I also get the thumbs down from certain posters for my comments. but the proof is in the pudding. I can guarantee that certain players will not score a goal this season. I can guarantee that probably only one or two will score more than 3 goals this season. I can predict we will be one of the lowest scoring teams. Just because of the players we have signed. Look at their past careers and most have played a minimum of 5 or 6 seasons and averaged 0 to 4 goals max. Hopefully Tosun and Wallcott will be the start of signing players with goals in them. let's hope for many more signings of that quality.

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16 Jan 2018 18:42:36
Does anyone know what the price for Walcott is? Wages? I know it doesn't really matter but I still like to know. Heard 20 million but can't remember where I saw/ heard that.

Think we have to prioritise a left back now.

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16 Jan 2018 19:04:53
I read it was £23 mill with add ons, also says Borussia Dortmund and Southampton after Theo.

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16 Jan 2018 19:44:37
I agree with that figure GB mate, also Theo chose us because of our ambition and Sam.

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16 Jan 2018 21:17:15
Theo choose us how exciting for a player who hasn't done nothing for years.

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16 Jan 2018 22:39:45
Scored 19 goals for arsenal last season, maybe that will do for starters, God do people live under bloody rocks on this page or just love to moan, bunch of whingeing Wendy's on this this page some times.

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17 Jan 2018 01:10:35
Does it matter how much from one Usamov account into another 😜. Only joking. 😂😂.

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16 Jan 2018 17:00:09
yer learn something new every day, I mean, who new Wolcott could play left back!

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16 Jan 2018 19:12:50
Suppose he could play LWB if we went with 3 at the back, sorry I meant he could play LWB when we play 10 at the back, in all seriousness though that's 2 forward players brought in if this goes through, its got to be time to go for it and have an attacking lineup, Theo wanted a central role at Arsenal according to reports so will he be playing up top with Cenk and Sig behind them in a front 3 add Lookman and Bolasie on the wings and that is a decent attack, but we all know it won't happen, Bolasie will be dropped as he will be 'tired' and Theo will play wide left with Sig wide right and Rooney and Schneids in the middle slowing the game right down.

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16 Jan 2018 16:24:11
What's happening with Jose Baxter?

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{Ed025's Note - i dont know mate..

16 Jan 2018 14:16:43
Need a left back like air! Not seeing much on that front atm.

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16 Jan 2018 13:18:23
I like Walcott is potentially on his way up to us. That means Lookman pushed down even further. We gunna lose him and I'll be gutted.

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16 Jan 2018 13:41:30
I think lennon will be shiped out. Lookman/ vlasic will be cover for the 2 wide positions. I for 1 am happy with Walcott joining. He improves our starting 11 so happy days.

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16 Jan 2018 13:54:15
cannot argue with that mate.

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16 Jan 2018 13:45:26
And why can't both play it's a squad game now and I also think Walcott will be played threw the middle a lot in rotation with tosun, am I the only one who thinks lookmans should be an impact sub for now he loses the ball far too much to start games, I think he will be a brilliant player in next few years but Walcott is the present and lookmans the future for me.

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16 Jan 2018 14:03:36
I agree johny. Good post mate.

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16 Jan 2018 14:19:27
It was reported in October that Lookman was homesick. And people. are trying to give the headlines about him moving on more credence than they deserve.
He has jumped 2 divisions. And 3ven in a squad that's surprisingly struggled, he has made some very bright appearances. Lookman ain't going anywhere. Seems the only people pushing for it are the fans on forums like this.
He's a brightstar for the future and is at the best place. He will continue to buzz from the bench and next season will want to be pushing for starting spot.
Stop trying to make a story when there isn't one. Why rush the kid? Let the experts deal with it.

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16 Jan 2018 14:22:26
In the longer term it might be Bolasie who Lookman comes in for as its hard to come back from that long out and play week after week.

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16 Jan 2018 14:24:50
Theo has the ability and the experience we need now. Lookman is fantastic but still learning his trade. In a team that get's limited opportunity on the ball we can not keep giving it away, and unfortunately like Ross, Lookman does the same.
There's room for Lookman, Vlasic and Sandro in the squad.

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16 Jan 2018 14:31:22
Vlasic needs to be playing in the middle for me, we've had enough square pegs in round holes this season. Weve been crying for ages for Siggy to be played central, let's not lose another players creativity by playing him out of position.

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16 Jan 2018 16:13:28
Are there two Theo Walcotts?

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16 Jan 2018 13:15:12
Just reading posts below discussing Rooney. Just a question but would you play rooney and tosun up top with siggy as no 10?

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16 Jan 2018 13:28:16
Wouldn't play him.

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16 Jan 2018 14:05:04
He’s scored 10 goals for goodness sake. How could you not play him?

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16 Jan 2018 14:10:59
Wouldn't play our top scorer 🤔.

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16 Jan 2018 14:22:37
Sig plays 10 for me. ROONEY should play deeper and or be a sub.
I love Rooney and I'm buzzing for his goals this season. Let's be honest though, he does slow the game when we are desperate for pace. We shouldn't just be selecting him on rep alone (which I think We have done on occassion)

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16 Jan 2018 15:01:10
I'd give it a go, Rooney and Tosun up top, why not they both know where the goal is and Rooney wouldn't have the opportunity to slow things down.

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16 Jan 2018 16:14:55
How many of Rooney's goals are penalties. Subtract them for a truer reflection of his goalscoring prowess.

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16 Jan 2018 17:03:49
Don’t be silly. Penguins are goals.

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16 Jan 2018 19:16:31
So how many p, p, p, penguins has Rooney picked up Toffee Ace, was wondering why he was putting the pounds back on haha.

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16 Jan 2018 19:44:43
Baines has been prolific from the penalty spot but we aren't lauding him as a goalscorer. The point is that you judge a goalscorer on the basis of what he gets in open play.

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16 Jan 2018 22:04:32
Not sure what happened there bluegray, it’s meant to say pens. Lol.

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16 Jan 2018 12:44:58
Regarding Keane. he's come at a difficult time, its a bit harsh to expect him to pull up trees in the circumstances give the imbalance, lack of continuity of management staff and vulnerability of the defense i.e martina, plus the lack of confidence as a team as a whole. However we need a quality cb with experience yo come in next seadon. Then i think a decision should be made on his future. The teams a mess which is hardly the ideal circumstances for a player to thrive in a new environment.

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16 Jan 2018 13:00:48
Still think Keane and Holgate would make a good partnership. Just need to sort out the full back issue, and balance the midfield.

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16 Jan 2018 14:10:10
I agree, but we need another quality experienced CB in the summer.

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16 Jan 2018 14:20:17
Its continuity what we are after at the back and its still going to take a while longer. Once we get a settled back four and they are used to playing together and talking to each other it will obviously be a lot better.

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16 Jan 2018 11:33:36
When Big Sam first came, we started winning games. It wasn't pretty but we were getting results. Over Christmas he chopped and changed the team, partially to see what else he had at his disposal and also to rotate players during a congested period (which is understandable to be fair) . However this changing the team in my opinion contributed to the Bournemouth defeat, which was then followed by 3 difficult games, which we lost. We now look like a shell of a team and any confidence we gained in SA's first few games has been destroyed. Therefore maybe it is time to go back to basics. I'd take 1-0 wins the next 2 games to be honest. COYB.

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16 Jan 2018 12:23:02
I'd take boring 1-0 wins all seasons any season tommy.

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16 Jan 2018 12:31:07
We need to win 3 or 4 games 1-0 Blue Tommy and then we are safe.

I'm not sold either way on Big Sam yet but i just get disillusioned by some of his team selections, tactics and subs.
I thought against Tottenham he made probably his best team selection apart from Siggy not being in the middle, but his subs were just puzzling.

When he was at palace he would play tight if the game was a 6 pointer and a bit looser against the big boys. He seems to have adopted the same tactics with us, rightly or wrongly?

If we were in the bottom 3 when he came in i could understand that approach but for me he needs to attack the lesser teams and sit back against the top 6.

Agree with the back to basics, he needs to stop trying to squeeze rooney and siggy into the same team. Siggy should be our No10 so if he's going to play Rooney then stick him deeper and play one of Gana or Mccarthy, the rest of the team pretty much picks itself.

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16 Jan 2018 16:16:51
Boring 1-0 wins will involve shots on target unless we are perfecting 1og-0 wins.

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{Ed025's Note - you seem to be really in the doldrums where everton are concerned glen..

16 Jan 2018 11:01:04
Wondering about us being linked to the Brazilian fella from barca, now don't get me wrong we need as many attacking players as we can get, but surely there are priorities, haven't seen aparts from the odd Shaw rumour, and left backs being linked, does anyone think we are going to just go with what we have ill the end of the season, it's a bit strange why this didn't happen in the summer.

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16 Jan 2018 12:04:16
All good saying we need a left back, but what left would look at our team sheet and see that he will have no help in front of him because we have to play our record signing on the left wing so that Rooney can be accommodated in the team. SG is our best number 10 not a bloody left winger.

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16 Jan 2018 12:11:38
If we do get Walcott then he and Bolasie/ Lookman will offer the width and protection either side. Then slimy Sam just has to play Gylfi in the 10 and bullet Rooney to bench status. You cannot play them both and certainly not Gylfi out wide.

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16 Jan 2018 12:21:53
If we can't get our 1st choice then we should try to manage with what we have or get a loan in. The last thing we need is another second rate player holding down the fort on a temporary basis only to become an unwanted player next season.

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16 Jan 2018 12:50:38
So I’m prepared to get shot down and the sites a matter of opinions so here goes. I seem to be one of the only Evertonians that still believes in Mr Rooney (our top goal scorer who I believe has as many goals as one Romelu Lukaku) . A while ago he was taken out the team and we played exactly the same way (sidewards, backwards and no goal threat) . To me he’s done better than GS so far in his Everton return and I just see him being an easy player for Evertonians to blame, that being said he did have a stinker in the game against Spurs but then also wonder if his goal was allowed (which was as offside as Kane’s second goal) if he’d be getting as much bombardment from the fans this week. I’d also like to add that GS played a hell of a lot of his Swansea matches out on the left. It was for Spurs that he was used in a more of a central role. I know I’m in the minority but my personal opinion is that Rooney should be used as the no 10 as at least his goal tally’s in double figures and it’s not actually his fault the board decided to buy another 3,4 players that also can play in that position. I have my armour on lol.

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16 Jan 2018 13:06:29
It's not that Rooney is a bad player. It's that he is effecting the balance of the team to accommodate him. Play him as a striker or have him as a sub. Don't waste Gilfi by pushing him out wide and playing him as a wing back. It doesn't work.

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16 Jan 2018 13:07:33
Fair point, Rooney has the goals in the bag and I do think everyone jumps on the bandwagon for Rooney head, when he scores he's the best, when he doesn't he's the worst and slow can't pass, stops the flow of the team ECT ECT, but take him out of the team and who have we had who can score, oh yeah sigs on what 2/ 3 goals, dcl on 2 goals, yeah I can see why we would drop him for those 2, it's just moaning for moaning sake, if we had a player like lukaku on the bench with say 20 goals and Rooney was keeping him out the team then fair point, we have to realise we are as a team very poor and it runs threw the team, how can anyone score goals when a team doesn't attack, can just point at Rooney.

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16 Jan 2018 09:58:31
We should be able to get Walcott at the 20m reported price. Turkeys always come cheaper after Christmas.

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16 Jan 2018 12:36:11
I liked this by accident so -1.

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16 Jan 2018 09:45:13
We need to stop believing we are are a top six side and make changes in the summer with squad and manager if needs be. right now we are rubbish but we just need to get behind the team. Until the end of season we need goodison to be rocking every game and away because right now our club needs us. big Sam isn't everyone's cup of tea and not mine either but he shouldn't be blamed for everything as this is not his team yet. He is trying to make us more solid as he has a lot of bang average players. Big summer clear out jags, Baines, basic, naisse, schnids, Keane, klassen, sandro, Joel, strecklburg, can all go in my opinon. Let big Sam bring in his own team then judge him until then stop moaning . we only need 13 more points and we are safe and we will do that as there is worse teams. let's start this weekend screaming for the blues . Come on you blues!

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16 Jan 2018 10:34:22
SA is in exactly the same place RK was last season we all knew RK needed to bring in his own players so when he spent a fair amount of money getting some of them we all rejoiced. 15 weeks into what should have been a 2-3 year project he gets the boot. Did he get time to bed in his players no but its now a results based game so fans start whinging at any prolonged difficulty and the owners fear the worst and he gets the boot. Now SA is not my favorite manager but we need to look at giving who ever is the manager time to sort out a bad run, unless we get an owner who is willing to throw endless amounts of cash at the team. As for massive clear outs and buying of new players well we have seen what happens when you buy loads of players in one go it takes time for them to gel. As for selling players well there needs to be someone who actually wants to buy them. Unless your happy to take a loss or even let them go on a free then the player really needs to want to leave in the first place otherwise you are likely to build a toxic relationship with the players that remain especially if they think their mates have been hard done by. It's not like they can be sacked for under performing although that would probably improve performances no end.

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16 Jan 2018 10:36:33
Agree with most of clearout. I’d keep Keane and get shot of Williams and Mc Carthy as always injured. Get a centre half to partner Keane plus a LB. will need a lot of millions in today’s market to replace 6 or 7 players 😫😫.

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16 Jan 2018 11:08:08
Agree with you sa90 there isn't no quick fix. I was just saying those players need to leave as they are either no good any more or they are just average players I wasn't saying how this could be done. So even more important to give whoever is manager time. And yes I would say Williams and Lennon I'm afraid. I think we have been put back years and we need stability not a club that chips the manager every five mins.

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16 Jan 2018 11:28:02
Holgate to partner Leane. Holgate is quality jags or Williams to stay as cover with Mori to return. The players are there apart from LB it’s just getting them together for a run of games and getting confidence back 7pts in next two games would help.
Pickford
Coleman (Kenny as understudy)
Holgate
Keane
New LB
Gueye
McCarthy/ Davies/ Banigime when away, Rooney at home.
Walcott (Lookman as understudy)
Sigurdson (Klassen as understudy)
Bolasie (Vlasic as understudy)
Tosun (DCL and Sandro as understudy)

Not that bad is it if Sam plays the right balanced team

If the likes of Garbutt, Galloway and Baxter etc are not good enough get rid of them from u23’s.

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16 Jan 2018 11:42:53
*6pts
* Keane.

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16 Jan 2018 07:26:21
Just read on BBC website that we haven't had a shot on target in January. Allardyce solution? Become more boring.

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16 Jan 2018 08:39:27
Yes blame Allergy for the fact of us signing a load of non creative players over the last 4 seasons. Blame him for trying different formations. Blame him for looking like little schoolboys out on the pitch. Blame him for the first 10 games before he arrived and we performed in exactly the same manner. Blame him for the collapse of Carillion. Brext. and any more you can think of because it all makes sense.

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16 Jan 2018 10:05:00
Can blame him for starting with 2 defensive midfielders constantly, can blame him for not playing 2 up top, can blame him for not using your best number 10 in the number 10 role, can blame him for not playing actual wingers on the wing, other than that you have a point Degsy.

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16 Jan 2018 16:30:35
Quality bluegray.

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{Ed025's Note - and true..

16 Jan 2018 16:51:35
I have to agree with the number 10 comment. Which then of course would allow the left winger to be an actual winger. no arguments from me on that one. As for 2 defensive midfielders. Martinez started it with McCarthy and Barry. (although Barry did venture forwards) . Scneids and Gueye very rarely get forwards and both are terrible at getting up to the oppos box. We look better with McCarthy in. But hey your points about number 10 and 2 defensive midfielders does not explain the dross football being served up nor the lack of a shot on target in 5 consecutive games. In my humble opinion (which Swan never ever agrees with whatever I say) it is down to poor players in the main. It equals the worst ever Premier League run. If that's down to a bit of positional tactics or one or two players I may as well give up now.

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16 Jan 2018 05:52:04
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