Everton Banter Archive February 16 2016

 

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16 Feb 2016 15:35:59
Atkinson ref for B/ mouth game!
For the love of God how bad can this year get?

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16 Feb 2016 16:29:50
Yep. That pretty much settles that. Jags or Barry sent off. My moneys on Jags after his comment.

It's a bit of a disgrace that he is allowed to ref us again after what he has said to Jags during the game.

I'm just going to get my head down until August I think.

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16 Feb 2016 16:45:32
Doesn't bode well, just goes to show how they treat the grass roots fans in this League. I do not care who you are there is no way you can be neutral after a slagging off. On another tack, on ssn just been asked is Reme Garde a Manager or a Coach, precisely my opinion of Mr Martinez.

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16 Feb 2016 14:30:18
. not a great fan of Joey Barton really. but can't disagree with what he has come out and said about efc and the future of our star players.

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17 Feb 2016 10:42:10
I agree Zack

When he laid out the 'facts' it was pretty damning.
League finishes at EFC pre RM were 5-8th over 5 season
League finishes at Wigan pre RM were above 16th for 3 seasons
League finishes at Wigan post RM were 16th and below, eventually relegation.

I honestly believe if we had been 10% more clinical in front of goal we'd be 5th.

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16 Feb 2016 11:17:41
Tim cahills contract terminated at chinese club anyone else like to see him sign back up? Or even join the backroom staff?

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16 Feb 2016 12:21:23
I loved Tim when he was with us Jay, he epitomised everything about the way the club was in that era. Would I have him back though?
I think his playing days are probably behind him now, particularly at premier league level and I'm not too sure if he'd cope with our style of play now.
I don't know what qualifications he has as a coach but I'd certainly have him back so he could gain his coaching badges with us in the same way Duncan did.
I also think his personality and drive would be great for the youth teams who could learn so much about starting off with nothing and fighting your way to the top.

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16 Feb 2016 12:36:22
We couldn't sign him as a player because his contract was terminated after our January transfer window closed. We can only sign someone now (that is until the summer window) if he was a free agent before the end of the window.
As for the back room staff, even though Cahill was a super player for us, it's surely a defensive coach we need.

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16 Feb 2016 10:03:34
I see that David Moyes' comments about the fee for John Stones being lower than was reported at the time of the transfer (he said on telly the other day that it was only £1.25M rather than the reported £3M) are being strongly and unequivocally denied by an official statement from Barnsley. Makes DM look like a numpty.

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16 Feb 2016 11:16:24
It may have been that at the time but has probably gone up because of appearances and England call ups. Who knows. Both fees could be right.

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16 Feb 2016 12:11:42
Love the numpty reference Sid, a popular Scottish phrase that got Moyes into a bit of bother with the FA.

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16 Feb 2016 12:49:18
Toffee Ace: Only the clubs really know what was actually agreed between them regarding the fee and its payment schedule. Besides, it's not for DM to disclose confidential commercial details. It sounded to me like he was saying what a clever deal he got in getting Stones - just "bigging up" himself as the only person doing anything remotely good at Everton during his time there. When he left, he said he'd taken Everton as far as he could - implying that the club couldn't match his ambition. Well, all he proved by his failures at ManUtd and Real Sociedad was that he had only taken Everton as far as his own abilities would allow. He's probably a cut above a Pulis or an Allardyce, but he's certainly not shown that he's a Ferguaon, Wenger or Mourinho - and he's certainly no Guardiola!

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16 Feb 2016 14:44:28
I don't disagree with any of that Sid. I loved his defensive work but hated the rest. Including the manner in which he left. I remember reading that it was our scouts that convinced him to sign Stones as he wasn't up for it. So not really a Moyes signing but that of the scouts so to speak.

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16 Feb 2016 16:55:52
Moyes got mixed signing success, but you have to hand it to him for Cahill, Arteta, Coleman, Lescott, Baines, Jags, Martyn, Pienaar, Distin and Fellaini, he missed the bus with Mustafi and Dier and as for Kroldrup and Van der Meyde?

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16 Feb 2016 17:17:57
Yea DM is that stupid he'd come out and make up a lie just so to make the signing of Stones look better.

Do you seriously think DM is that stupid that he thought his lie would not be found out?

Hardly, I'm not that stupid and will never earn the money that DM made at Everton.

Utd are doing so well now. DM done so bad with them? Yea because he underachieved with them. They spent almost £300m since and doing far better now. That's a good one.

Real Soc whatever, how many British managers done well abroad?

As for everything else said about DM I totally agree. He disrespected Everton when leaving and there was no need for that. I totally agree with that. DM may have thought he was bigger than Everton.

Infact I think he owes Everton an apology. Just because I don't slate him doesn't mean I agreed with everything he done. He done his fair share of bad things while with Everton. The worst being disrespecting the club.

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16 Feb 2016 09:44:56
After that Barcelona penalty at the weekend Everton have been practicing their penalties in preparation for the weekend.
Baines steps up, knocks it back to Barry who side foots it to McCarthy who gives it to Cleverly who passes it back to Stones who rolls it across the box to Funes Mori who passes it back to Howard who hoofs it up field where we lose possession and have to defend.

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16 Feb 2016 09:57:21
Very droll :-)
Adheres to RM's view about only goals scored from open play really count.

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16 Feb 2016 10:07:17
Haha.very witty RiB

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16 Feb 2016 11:52:06
Very good lol.

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16 Feb 2016 20:17:45
Only problem is with your scenario the penalty would have to be retaken as the ball has to go forward!

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16 Feb 2016 09:14:32
When the new owners arrive it would be great if they announced the redevelopment of Goodison Park. Do one stand at a time and bring the old lady back up to scratch. Forget this ground move Goodison is where we belong. Hope they sack Martinez as well in the summer and bring a proper manager in, sick of his rubbish now he's had enough time and it's the same crap served every week.

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16 Feb 2016 10:15:17
If Goodiso Park could be redeveloped to a standard that's at least as good as a new stadium elsewhere would potentially be, then I'd like us to stay, BUT NOT if it's done as a half-hearted exercise in poor design, shoddy building work, cheap cost-cutting and penny-pinching. There's an old shipbuilding saying about "don't spoil the ship for a happ'orth of tar" - well that goes big time in my humble opinion for any redevelopment of Goodison Park.

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16 Feb 2016 17:04:18
So don't let Wimpey do it then Sid?

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16 Feb 2016 08:31:21
Anyone else feel the entire season now rests on the FA cup game this weekend? after that we will be served up the highs and lows of inconsistency in the league, and a frustrating mid table mediocre finish till May?
Sorry to sound so depressing!

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16 Feb 2016 11:47:27
wakka57: In many people's eyes, I expect our season does now rest on the FA cup.
However, I reckon that the club's hierarchy - whether or not there's a "takeover" - are more concerned about next season. It'll be RM's fourth and, if there are no signs of improvement on last season and this season, then they'll surely act. I expect that RM's problem will be with the squad and the recruitment - and more importantly the departures - this summer. Aging players will depart, the youngsters won't be ready, our best payers will leave for Champions League football elsewhere, other clubs will have the telly money to compete for available talent, etc., etc.
So, unless RM can do something remarkable - incoming and outgoing - with the squad this summer, I fear that we'll have more inconsistency and midttable mediocrity that will cost him his job during next season. We don't realistically expect to win every match and win every trophy (we'd like to obviously! ) , but we do expect to see us start genuinely challenging as a team considering the much-lauded individual talents we supposedly have. That's not too much to ask is it - surely?

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16 Feb 2016 17:22:03
Good post Cowpat.

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16 Feb 2016 01:57:17
Back in the 1970s, Billy Bingham was given almost 4 years as Everton manager before he was removed, He recruited some good players and got us close, but not close enough to actually win any trophies.
It was then a similar pattern with Gordon Lee for another 4 years or so, .
Later on, Walter Smith also only lasted about 4 years before the board acted.
Only Mike Walker was removed after a short time in charge, but he was clearly failing big time.
Howard Kendall (second time) and Joe Royle chose to leave - albeit over transfer policy disagreements.
Howard Kendall ) third time) was only ever a one-season stopgap.
David Moyes chose to let his contract run down.
Howard Kendall (first time around) was under intense pressure (from the fans in particular) halfway through his 3rd season, but the board kept faith with him and we then had a few seasons of unparalleled success that was only stymied (in my humble opinion) by the European ban.
MY POINT IIS THIS: our club usually gives managers a reasonable run (as long as they see some positive signs) , so should Roberto Martinez get a chance to have at least a fourth season to get it right? I expect that the decision is difficult with the takeover being pursued and with our chairman being unwell. So, can Martinez prove himself to be a Kendall (first time round that is) or will he be another Bingham or Lee (full of promise and so near, but falling short) ?

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16 Feb 2016 02:37:40
I hear ya Cowpat. but Bingham and Lee were a hell of a lot better than the FRAUD.

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16 Feb 2016 03:12:16
Bkkblue: so would you or wouldn't you let RM have a fourth season - perhaps if only until the next January transfer window - before making a decision?

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16 Feb 2016 07:56:23
I personally think the new possible owners are very shrewd businessmen Sid and he would get until Xmas 2016 no matter where we finish this year.

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16 Feb 2016 08:45:56
That's exactly it Cowpat. I made similar type point here before. Taking Alex Ferguson as an example which is similar to some of the managers you mention. You put it across better than me. Good post.

My main point is who knows where the team will go. As you said it happened before where manager's were under pressure to be sacked and then the following years had plenty of success. No doubt the supporters were calling the manager a fraud and what not at the time before the success came.

At the moment I'm not Martinez biggest fan and I'm not saying he will bring success. My point is how the hell would I or anyone know if success is around the corner? Just like back when successful managers were under pressure before the success came.

Unless a top manager comes along who suits the club Martinez is here to stay it appears. As long as the results don't get worse things aren't atrocious. Martinez did build a good squad in fairness without spending massive money. Apart from Lukaku everyone else was lowish money.

I know defence is bad under Martinez. That's the main problem. If Martinez fix's that god knows what can happen. I hope he does.

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16 Feb 2016 09:33:10
I think when you compare RM time at Everton to people like Kendall, Bingham, Smith, etc we have to remember one thing
RM has a proven track record of inconsistency and terrible defensive stats
He had 4 seasons at Wigan and won approx 38 games
That's is the same as winning every game in his first season and then not winning a single game for the next 3
Our team has lost 7 game this season and 6 have been at home
There is no consistent improvement for me at all
Next season he may improve the home record but it will be at the expense of our away record
We are still shocking at set pieces
Can you remember when we had 2/ 3 players capable of scoring wonderful free kicks?
Those players are still here!
For me you cannot lose at home to WBA after 3 straight wins at 3-0 sorry but that was not good enough
It's a roller coaster ride and it's like the days before moyes
I didn't like what moyes turned out like but I will certainly give him credit for stopping the rot that crept in and took us to the brink
We should've moved forward and built on his stability but we have taken a massive gamble on RM and the job is just too big for him
Injuries are through the roof and although I try and see the positives ie if those chances had been converted we have won! It's still hard to see past his glaring errors
As a manager you also need a good slice of luck and we don't seem to have much under him
1 more season could be the reason we lose quality players and we would have to spend big under a new manager who would then need 2/ 3 yrs to establish his philosophy with a bunch of new players
Surely there's a manager out there who can take this squad to a higher level?
Look at what CR has done at Leicester?!
Huth, Drink water, vardy, etc!
If we would've signed ANY Leicester player in the summer wed have hit the roof!
Now they could end up with a prem champs medal and European football!
It must come down to the manager and his staff and his ethics and philosophy
Get someone in before we lose the best squad we've had in 20 yrs.

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16 Feb 2016 10:35:48
Pablo: I find it exquisitely ironic that while a lot of the quality in our squad is down to RM's recruitment and player development, their potential departures are down to RM's failure to mould them into a consistently performing regularly-winning team.
He says its small margins, but it's results that matter in the cold light of day and no amount of phenomenal flashes of attacking brilliance will do it for the fans if we can't get points on the board. Staying in the Premier League is vital for our club's finances - and while I accept the club is truly ambitious to be successful and win things and not just survive - there is too much fragility (defensively, psychologically, injury-wise, etc. ) in the teams managed to date by RM. I desperately want him to prove he's the right one, the bright one, but there's a time limit before his experiment is terminated.

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16 Feb 2016 10:44:11
NBTB: If RM was replaced, it'd probably take another 2 or 3 seasons for his replacement to get things sorted. Other clubs - not just the usual elite - will be buoyed by the huge amounts of telly money and able to recruit and maintain squads with top players such that our competition for success would be even greater than it is now. Can any of us truly relish another few seasons of rebuilding under a new manager? On the other hand, can any of us look with confidence at RM and say there are genuine signs (not just occasional fleeting glimpses) of him bringing consistent success to our club?

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16 Feb 2016 10:59:00
Murf1000: If the "takeover" happens and if BK retains some meaningful role - if only advisory - then RM will probably get shown some loyalty, but I imagine he'll be told in no uncertain manner to start delivering 'the golden era of success" and not just talk endlessly about being on the brink of having a "golden generation" of young players at Everton and having a squad to "dream of".
Whatever each individual fan's feelings about RM might be, I'm sure every one of us wants success - that means winning matches and trophies, and playing in Europe, and doing it with "school of science" style - and if it's under RM then fine. I can't believe that any fan is so cynical as to want Everton to fail just so RM gets fired. I can understand the anger, frustration and despair that leads fans to such desperate thoughts, but wishing ill on the club Is surely beyond the pale.

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16 Feb 2016 11:57:36
Another season of Martinez and we may go down simple as that. The damage he has done to Everton is so great that whoever may replace him next year will struggle.
Reason being that no doubt Lukaku, Stones and Barklay will probably go, we will have to bed in a new goalkeeper as Robles is second rate. Also let's remember that Osman, Penaar, Barry etc wil all be older and way passed there best we will have no squad our future is very scary.

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16 Feb 2016 12:05:49
I agree totally Sid, anyone be it an Everton fan or any other team that wants to lose, so that their Manager gets sacked should take a good long look at themselves mate

I have a mate in Sheffield who is a Man U fan, he told me he wants to lose every match until LVG has gone

i think that RM could be a cracking manager but needs more experienced people behind him, people who are not yes men too, I think the new owners will make this happen as failure is not an option with those guys.

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16 Feb 2016 12:48:05
Problem RM has had this season is the takeover talk, having to generate his own transfer funds etc whilst investord look on from the sideline. Ģordon lee inherited binghams signing and got us very close to the title and cup success. martinez needs the new investors to give him support and see by january wether he is up to the job, maybe back room change first.

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16 Feb 2016 12:57:02
Murf: Agree 100% with your last point.

If you look at some aspects of his reign then he has been very good: excellent record in transfer market, squad stronger than ever, brought through youngsters into challenging for the 1st team, playing better football than I have seen (having grown up in the 90s) .

Clearly his weaknesses lie in instilling a strong tactical discipline and bringing all those aspects together as a team. If he had a strong backroom staff and coaching team behind him to bring these aspects into play then I think it would make a massive difference. Of our key backroom staff, our Assistant Manager, Chief Scout, GK Coach, Head of Performance and First Team Development Coach all followed RM from either Swansea, Wigan or both. In fact the only members of the backroom staff other than Joe Royle that can input fresh ideas are Big Dunc and Unsworth - neither of whom are particularly experienced themselves!

It is the backroom staff that I think need refreshing with more experience, more nous and more discipline. I will settle for some coaches that have shown an ability to organise a defence! Bring back a 'Head Coach' to deal with the tactical discipline and coaching side of things and that will make a massive difference. Anyone know what Alan Irvine or Steve Round are up to these days?

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16 Feb 2016 17:27:06
Cowpat my point is who knows what's going to happen in the future?

Why take for granted a new manager will need 2 - 3 seasons?

Prime example Leicester this season. They showed what can be done in a short space of time. Fair play to them, that's what I say.

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16 Feb 2016 18:42:41
NBTB; Ranieri has done very well, especially the recruitment of some key players (at bargain prices! ) last summer. However, Leicester's form in the second half of last season was exceptional under Pearson and they've carried on this season under Ranieri. Nevertheless, kudos to Ranieri. If he maintains it for another season or two, then he'll have bucked the general trend of managers usually needing a few seasons or having a second-season syndrome after a good first season.

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16 Feb 2016 19:13:57
Good point Cowpat. It looks like Martinez first season was a flash in the pan. It may happen to Leicester next season. Time will tell all.

But a manager can have an instant impact. On occasion, obviously not all the time.

When Pulis took over at Palace he transformed them in a short space of time.

I just think a lot depends on the manager. I'm actually not happy with the other red half. I think they have a top manager at the moment. Not just because they scored 6 goals at the weekend. I said a couple of weeks ago. He's the best manager they have had in a long time.

I'd love to be proved wrong though 😏.

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16 Feb 2016 19:43:28
NBTB; I agree about the darkside's manager. He's a proven winner who will get their team playing a modern high-energy pressing game and will be backed with plenty of funds to recruit the players he wants.
It's just such a shame that during the last couple of seasons we haven't capitalised on the comparative loss of form of many of the so-called elite clubs. You can just see them getting their acts together and we'll have blown this brief window of opportunity to qualify for the Champions League with all that would have ment for our club - both on the field (recruiting and retaining quality players) and off the field (income and exposure) .
Final thought: memo to RM - actions speak louder than words - stop the b******t spin and the lame excuses and the pathetic blaming of others (referred, fans, etc. ) . Imstead, concentrate on delivering a consistently successful team that's organised, fit, motivated, energetic and committed .

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16 Feb 2016 01:10:58
I see that joey barton is petrified for Everton this Summer. He thinks that our underperforming will lead to our best young players leaving. Well joey has nailed it. I think most of us are worried and most us of think we will lose at least Stones and Lukaku. There are still a few that think the fraud will get it right and we'll kick on. I'd be much happier if I was one of those but sadly after 3 years realism overrules hope for me.

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16 Feb 2016 07:56:55
Who's Joey Barton.

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16 Feb 2016 11:26:04
Whatever anyone thinks about Joey Barton as a player or as a human being, his views as an Everton fan are just as valid as anyone else who genuinely posts honestly-held opinions on social media or wherever. We might not agree - sometimes vehemently - but, as long as the discussion is carried out on the basis of "that's your opinion - I don't gree with you, but you're entitled to express it", then I really can't see what the problem (if any) is.
Once any discussion descends into abuse, name-calling, trolling and verbal violence, then, in my humble opinion, we've overstepped the line and made the argument itself the centre of attention rather than focusing on addressing the core issue under discussion - but then I guess I'm just old-fashioned in that respect. :-)

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16 Feb 2016 20:35:19
No Cowpat you not old fashioned in that respect. Your totally spot on.

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