Everton Banter Archive December 16 2012

16 Dec 2012 17:53:47
Just a thought, which I don't know if anyone else has raised, but in the event that Fellaini gets more than a three match ban and misses more than the Christmas and New Year games does that open up an increased possibility of taking Tim Cahill on a short term loan in January - notwithstanding that Vellios, Barkley, and others have lots of supporters calling for them to get a chance? Perhaps if he was the goal scorer of a few seasons ago, but we let him go - in part - because that side of his game had dried up.
Cowpat Sid

16 Dec 2012 22:38:15
Moyes will play Victor upfront

Moyes wont play Victor again

I hope Vic NEVER plays again!

16 Dec 2012 16:12:15
If people think Fellaini - or any other player - deliberately tries to be suspended over Christmas so as to have "time off" then the answer is surely simple: make the player do the same training sessions (perhaps even double sessions) as the other players and make them attend all the games (home and away) just like the available players. As far as I'm concerned, only injured players (or genuinely sick - or those with serious personal/family issues) should be excused training and matches - suspended players are still employees of the club and should attend work IMHO. They've let their team mates down and should not only apologise (like Fellaini, to his credit, has done), but also keep themselves fit for their return from suspension (by training even harder) and support their team mates at matches since have to cope with their absence. Or do we just pat the suspended player on the head, say "there, there - never mind - it was all those nasty Stoke players holding and tugging and pulling and the referee not giving us free kicks"?
Cowpat Sid

16 Dec 2012 14:36:18
Halftime in the Spurs/Swansea game. Guess its time to come on here and read all the comments from our reactionary, person fans just because we didnt win 5-0 yesterday! Wonder whose head is being called for today?

Jelavic? Yeh useless git has only scored about 20 goals in 30 games defo not good enough!!
Get real you muppets and stop freaking out every time we have a bad game!!

aflm78

People who have opinions are muppets ? Guess that makes you one too then. And here I was thinking this site was not like toffeeweb where people abuse each other left, right and centre.

No not people that have opinions, people that call for a different player to be sold after each mistake or each bad game!
Almost all of us would have taken the position we are in now and been happy with it before the start of the season and yet every time we dont play well people over-react and call for this or that player to be sold, it's ridiculous!

My comment was directed at those people who have been criticising Jelavic, not people that have opinions! So if you are one of those that have criticised him then its directed at you, IF not pipe down!!

aflm78

No I've not criticised him, I happen to think he's class and works his socks off for the cause, but he's not getting the service he needs at the moment, but don't you think people are entitled to their opinions without you getting precious ?

17 Dec 2012 01:31:11
Opinions are usually based on reason and logical analysis of a particular situation... Clearly this irrational and reactionist behaviour after each bad game is based on neither of these 2 criteria and therefore deserves to be criticised for being what it is utter rubbish!

Wait a minute I get it we are only allowed to criticise our players and not fans who are being irrational? Fair enough we should have about 7 more pts by now! Its not good enough sell everyone in Jan coz they are all rubbish! Is that better?

aflm78

Now that is just immature because you can't impose you self-righteous, narrow minded views on everyone with an opinion. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you, and you don't have to agree with theirs, but it achieves nothing when you dismiss it out of hand and shoot them down at the first opportunity.

Q: Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I've told you once already!
Q: No you havent.
A: Yes I have etc

Degsypulford

Precious, immature, self-righteous, narrow minded?? For someone who supposedly respects other peoples opinions you're being very critical of mine, arent you?

Being a little bit of a hypocrite, dont you think?

aflm78

No, what you said, basically, in a nutshell, was anyone who disagreed with your assertion that Jelavic was a top player, was a 'muppet'. A derogatory term, generally used to describe an individual who is ignorant and/or mentally challenged. If they agreed with you then they should simply 'pipe down', or in other words shut up and say nothing.

For me, this isn't acceptable as sites like this exist for people to voice their opinions/grievances as they see fit, providing they don't violate the particular site's general policies of acceptable behaviour. Stereotyping people and branding them with the above term(s) or telling people you don't know to shut up simply because they disagree with you is, in my humble opinion, unacceptable. Unless, of course, your opinion is the law.

Firstly anyone who would call for Jelavic or Fellaini to be sold on the back of one or two bad games is a muppet! And btw that was used in a light-hearted way..

Secondly I told you to pipe down not anyone who disagrees with me. Your first post was like that of a child 'well if people with opinions are muppets then you're one too'... thats schoolboy stuff mate!!

Thirdly it seems people can say whatever they but if you dare to disagree then they get super defensive and pull the old 'i'm entitled to have my opinion, and who said you have to agree with me'... Well ditto!! You're defending peoples' rights to say what they think but only when they abuse our players, manager etc. You stink of hypocrisy mate!!

aflm78

No, I don't belittle people for having an opinion that differs from mine. I don't belittle people...period.

Ok I agree. Only because you said I have to. Otherwise I'd be a 'muppet'.

My final point on this matter, I defend people's rights on a daily basis, seeing as it's in my job description as a criminal defence solicitor. Therefore it's not only when 'muppets' criticise our players and manager on this site. And lastly, may I suggest you look up the definition of self-righteous in your spare time when you're not abusing people because they don't share your views.

You say you dont belittle people? But you have thrown a number of insults and derogatory terms at me for daring to be critical of fans who imo are over-reacting and even in your final comment you cant resist calling my intelligence into question by suggesting I should look up the meaning of the word self-righteous and yet you fail to see the hypocrisy of this?

I have never said that people should not express their opinions but I defend my right to defend certain players(that I like) when I feel they are being criticised unreasonably. Thereby expressing my own opinion, you defend peoples' right to have an opinion but seem very upset that I have expressed mine, again thats hypocritical... maybe you should look that word up when you're not too busy defending people! :)

aflm78

Guess that makes me a better man, a better human being, to defend people people rather than berate and abuse them for having the sheer audacity to have an opinion that's different to yours.

Oh dear! You've pulled the bigger, better man card... Guess I have really been put in my place now!!

Time to end all this nonsense! Lets just agree that you like to defend peoples' right to have an opinion, whereas I like to defend our players from what I see as 'often' unfair criticism that is born out of anger and frustration rather than logical thinking....

aflm78

You're right mate, perhaps I was a little too eager to make something out of nothing. After all this isn't the place to argue, but rather a place for rational debate. Nonsense ended !

16 Dec 2012 12:05:42eee
Haven't heard that clown Alan shearer on motd last
night. How can he comment on Felli. Yeah felli was stupid and will be punished rightly for it. But shearer was the one who threatened not to play for England of he was punished for kicking Lennon in the head. Oh and by the way he was the master with his elbows!!

The blue don {Ed025's Note - he was don..

16 Dec 2012 11:20:27
We got a pen against us against city for the same thing as what the 2 cb 4 stoke did against felli all day and jelavic, well done to shawcross for the way he acted tho, he took it like a man, plus on another note surely felli hair cushaned the blow

Not an Everton supporter, Glasgow Rangers in fact. Fellani was well out of order, however I think his frustration can be understood to some degree. Shawcross was up to what all defenders get up to in this situation. (Ostruction, pulling, pushing, etc).Yet they hardly ever get pulled up, by the referee. As the major concern for defences, when playing against Everton, Fellani gets more than his fair share of this type of attention. IMO, the only person to come out of this with any credit, and considerable credit at that, is the Everton manager, Davie Moyes. straight to point and honest to a fault. No rubbish, about mitigating circumstances, or not having seen the issue. He's bigger in personality, than in physical stature. Many if not all managers in the Premiership could learn from this man. Instead of having only a one sided opinion on everything. Unfortunatly for Everton, the day when Man Utd, come calling may not be far away, and I'm sure Moyes, is one of the very few managers who has abilty and character to succeed Alex Ferguson successfully. {Ed025's Note - thanks for your input mate, i agree with most of it, except moyes going to united, they will go for a high profile manager with a european pedigree IMO..

16 Dec 2012 10:13:26
having seen the felli incidents again this morning sober and not just through one eye all i can say is what the hell was he thinking? xmas back home with the family id say.no matter what kind of provocication shawcross was doing he or anyone who plays football does not deserve to be attacked like that on the football field.ok hes come out and apologised fair play to him but thats the least he can do.it doesnt do us much good being deprived of our best player/top goalscorer over an important part of the season for who knows how many games.all this has done has given the press and media a stick to beat felli with.christ weve even had everyones favourite red pundit and total gobsh.te lawrenson saying he should be banned for 9 games.hope the fa like everyone else does, takes no notice of him.i hope the least felli gets is a three game ban then count himself lucky.jimmy

16 Dec 2012 11:50:12
After just watching Match of the Day myself, i have to disagree.
Shawcross was all over Fellaini, Bear hugs standing on his feet the lot.
He wanted a physical game and he got one.
The headbutt wasnt as bad as people are making out either. He basically charged through him head first. Hardly the Kirby Kiss that its being made out to be!

Blue Bones

The referee should take some responcibility it was like watching rugby ive never slagged stoke before but thats not football they play. if the ref had proper control fellini wouldnt reacted someone said last week dont play him up front against stoke they were proved right he cant handle a imposing centre half moyes said at the begining of the season we would play different styles now and then i admit hes been snookered with marilas injury but we need to mix it upeveryone knows our game plan thats why when velious comes on they dont now how to react to him tom efc

Lets be honest, Fellaini's hair did cushion most of the blow to the face. lol. But what he done whether he was getting tugged everywhere by shawcross, is not acceptable on any playing field.

16 Dec 2012 00:30:25
Am I missing something here yes Fellini was an person and will get a Ban for at least 4 games and we were poor today but can't remember to many times where we have played badly, but a point away at stoke is a good result any season but this year they are a solid unit, I would off taken a point before the match anyway still only 2 defeats we just need to be finding Jelavic osman could off killed the game off today and 2-0 up we would probably got 3 points. But we're 4th and its nearly Xmas but no one would of believed that at the start of season if we can end season like last year then we are top 4 stop moaning rant over

2 things are consistent about everton and liverpool the later put presure on them selves talking them selves up finishing 2nd haha we every time we get a chance to cement our position or move higher we bottle it howard isnt noticed when he makes an error when were in the bottem half of the league but now were in a decent position hes showing hes not up to it cometh the hour cometh the man is an old saying step forward ross barcley tom efc