Everton Banter Archive September 15 2017

15 Sep 2017 21:20:52
Crazy talk. Koeman hasn't become a bad manager over a couple of weeks, siggurdson, Schneidelin, Rooney, klassen, Keane and Sandro haven't become bad players overnight. I believe Koeman is chopping and changing so he can understand what his ideal 11 are and what his rotation policy should be. At first I thought playing the top teams this early in the season would be a good thing as they would be settling their teams however thinking about it now i would rather be playing them once Koeman has sorted his new players but we are where we are. I trust he will get it right. Koeman is renowned for having a sticky patch every season, he had it with Southampton and finished 6th and he had it for 10 games last season and finished 7th so I am not panicking. This season is a marathon not a sprint and I am sure we may not break the top 6 or 7 but if we get our target man in January or next summer we will have bedded in some really great young players and Sandro, Klassen and Vlasic have the pedigree to become great players given time.

What I am glad we didn't do is try and buy instant success by paying big bucks for great players who are past their best and maybe had one or 2 seasons left in them.

15 Sep 2017 22:08:34
Good post Smit666. I wrote pretty much the same thing about Koeman in his 2 seasons at Southampton. Both seasons started bad and as the season progressed the team did also. Both seasons they lost a good few players and Koeman was finding his best team. Same has to be happening with the players brought in this summer.

We will get a good run going. It will happen. We just have to be patient and not want to get rid of a manager after a handful of games. Everton don't do that. That's why we are at the top when it comes to how long we are in the top flight for. Long may it continue.

15 Sep 2017 22:37:10
Agree Smit. pretty much all of that. it will turn around. got to give the manager and the squad a chance. It's the first real sticky patch RK has had. do we want the club to hire and fire like Newcastle have in the past or crystal palace now? I remember fergie almost got sacked. what a clanger that would have been. got to keep on supporting.

16 Sep 2017 07:11:25
I know what your both saying that we don't want to turn this club into Newcastle but I realy think we made a massive mistake with apointing Ronald koeman in the first place his body language from the start has never been right for me he has never looked comfortable and has had three transfer windows now and spent a lot of money and we look a shambles not to bothered about the man utd game I don't expect us to get a result but if we don't get a result against Bournemouth at home I think it will show just how bad we realy are.

16 Sep 2017 09:13:48
We improved last year Skylark and to base Koemans performance on a start this year hampered clearly by ins and outs is not fair on him.

If we've learnt anything as Everton supporters it's that patience is key to success. Palace, Newcastle and all those clubs that continue to change manager on a run of a couple of games end up being cannon fodder for clubs like us.

16 Sep 2017 09:32:05
Good posts Smit and N B T B, there are some really crazy posts on here sometimes from all the so called managers amongst us supporters leave it to R K it will all come good,

16 Sep 2017 11:08:47
I can't see him coming good, his man management is abysmal. My way or the highway hasn't worked for years, any player with an ego or lots of self belief he will zap it within 2 months. Jerry, Ross, Lukaku, Baines, Kevin, all zapped. The players have lost respect in him and I doubt he's the type of man who can win it back.

16 Sep 2017 12:06:55
Bebington if those players have lost respect for one the top managers around and one of the best players ever to grace this game then I would be shocked. His man management isn't a million miles away from a certain Alex Ferguson and we know how well he did. Lukaku had a lot of self belief and last season didn't show any sign of it being zapped.

16 Sep 2017 13:09:16
One of the top managers around based on? Player yes granted, and we will see what happens when he starts to blame his own signings. And him blasting Lukaku is why he will score 35+ this season, but for one of the top managers around.

16 Sep 2017 13:55:39
How can Koeman me considered one of the best managers around? I like the man and hope it's turned around quick, but when have you known a top manager to make 2 subs at half time every other game? What's he won of any substance as a manager? Why has he had so many clubs in such a short period of time? Maybe, just maybe, he's actually not a good manager, he hasn't proven it yet.

16 Sep 2017 15:31:19
OllBlue what has he won of any substance? League's and cups, sometimes in teams that on paper shouldn't have won them. He had Southampton punching above their weight even after shipping their best players. In the premiership he is in the top 4 or 5 managers and that is why he is highly regarded by managers and players, and is being mentioned for the arsenal and Barcelona job in the future.

16 Sep 2017 17:11:01
The dutch league is not so hard to win for Ajax, PSV or even Feyenoord, the only one of his managerial honors I'd consider a feat is the Copa del Rey with Valencia. After Unai Emery he was my next choice for manager, but the tactics and signings (although good players in my opinion) are bemusing. We've got no pace, no striker, no threat. We're so easy to play against it's embarrassing. Other teams will pick up on this and set up accordingly.

16 Sep 2017 17:16:12
By the way, on merit and considering what they've got to work with, here's some better managers than Koeman so far - Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Pochetino, Klopp, Marco Silva, Pulis, Howe.

I'm not anti-Koeman at all, really like him an think he can turn it around, just saying how it is here and now which is very very bad.

16 Sep 2017 22:42:32
Pochetinho, klopp Silva and pulis and howe? Why? Give me some good reason why these managers would be considered better.

15 Sep 2017
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15 Sep 2017 20:46:48
Good one stig. Them emails can be very dangerous.

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15 Sep 2017 16:43:36
Honestly talking of Koeman getting the sack, I really hope we don't start changing managers like everyone else now we are financially secure, in proud we give our managers time, a lot of fans are fuming at moment and I understand we are awful at the moment, this is a big transition on the pitch, but it will come good, I pridicted this would happen but I did not expect that last night, but can't blame Koeman for tactics when players could not pass the ball 5 yards or simple defending, holding the ball up, that's the players.
Koeman is at fault for not improving on the teams balance and understanding, I think the next 5 games will tell us a awful lot more of where we are as a group, Lookman needs to be involved either starting or coming of the bench, he has pace, and scares defenders would make all the difference only need to go past one player and space developes.

15 Sep 2017 13:47:28
Totally against abusive reactions to Koeman. we can as fans vent our frustration but there is no call for the lack of dignity by giving vent abusively. on another tack, cannot understand the press guys who had the chance today to ask some more pertinent questions and did not. such as. how do you plan to remedy the lack of pace in the side with the options you have? And. how do you address the fans concerns about too many duplicate style players squeezed into the same side?

15 Sep 2017 12:43:59
Really hope Lookman gets a chance on Sunday he has pace he is hungry and will bust a gut to perform.

15 Sep 2017 16:33:15
Think I would get a game mate, now where are my boots, lol.

15 Sep 2017 08:17:17
What do people think we should do to change our performance for Sunday we don't have many options lukaku may have a field day.

15 Sep 2017 10:15:14
Play 5-4-1 move Holgate over to CB bring in Kenny at RB play 1 holding mid Gueye one creative mid Klassen or Gylfi, Davies on the right and tell him to protect Kenny and Mirralas on the left with Baines DCL as a lone striker till he is knackered. Then stay solid and counter attack.

{Ed025's Note - i like that back line sa..

15 Sep 2017 10:31:54
Actually turn up would be a start. Personally I would go with a straight forward 4-4-2 with a defence of Holgate, Jags, Keane and Baines, midfield 4, Lookman, Gana, Davies, Vlasic with the front 2 being Sigs playing just behind Mirrallas.
We need to have some width and pace going forward, its clear we have been far too narrow so far and to easy to beat, young midfield may play with pride, something that we have been lacking lately.

15 Sep 2017 10:45:07
Looks good sa I'd like to see that team start on Sunday.

15 Sep 2017 11:35:43
Width and balance there. Totally lacking lately. Just binned all the blues from FF team after last night. Knee jerk.

{Ed025's Note - sensible i would say tedster..

15 Sep 2017 11:41:32
sa90. said exactly that for ages but a back 3 of Holgate, Kean and Jags, Kenny and Bains wing backs. Gueye as protection, a 3 not including Rooney or Schneiderlin, probably Klaasen or Siguurdson in the middle with a choice of mirralas, davis, lookman, vlasic for the flanks, then DCL up front. The thing is, I don't think Koeman would drop Rooney or Schneiderlin as long as he has the proverbial in his rear end, plus despite what he says about blame, having bought them he will continue trying to get multiple No 10's into round holes.

{Ed025's Note - he will have to do something dunc because his job is on the line if he doesn,t mate..

15 Sep 2017 12:30:52
Normally you do not earn your corn (in Moshris case billions) by being soft. Hopefully Koeman has already received the bottom line.

15 Sep 2017 13:07:28
My team for the next game: 
Pickford
Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Gana Davies
Lookman Sigurdsson Mirallas
Rooney

Pickford-obvious
Kenny-a natural right back, worth a go
Keane- obvious
Williams- Jags will be knackered, Williams has a point to prove, and he is more physical that Holgate to cope with Lukaku
Baines-our only left back
Gana- full of energy and great at breaking up play
Davies- again full of energy, gives 100%, is good defensively but knows how to move the ball forward if we get a breakaway
Lookman- quick, playing well for the u23s, actually a winger
Sigurdsson- needs to be our main no.10
Mirallas- loves the big games, a better option on the wing than Lennon or Vlasic
Rooney- got subbed so should be a little fresher than others, should be well up for this game.  

I think we need a bit of width back in the team, and to stop playing 4 no.10s. Schneiderlin has been horrific this season and needs to be benched. Niasse should also get on the bench as he's worked hard.  

Although I'm aware we are playing Man Utd, I think that if we go there with the same kind of teams we fielded against Spurs and Atalanta, we will get battered again. We can't be much worse than we have been in the last couple of games.

15 Sep 2017 13:10:00
Who Koeman will probably choose:
Pickford
Martina Jags Williams Keane Baines
Gueye Schneiderlin Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Rooney

Facepalm.

15 Sep 2017 16:10:34
Think you are spot on there Blue Tommy be hard pushed to bat that predicted line up, I reckon the likes of Lookman, Kenny, Niasse will be thrown in against Sunderland next week.