Everton Banter Archive October 15 2015

 

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15 Oct 2015 09:28:30
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, International Injury Round Up

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15 oct 2015 08:26:33
so the great warnock believes ross isn't up to it. Perhaps if you hadn't played him as a right winger at leeds you might have seen him perform to the standard you required!

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15 oct 2015 08:41:14
he isn't slating him badly mush, i've just read it and he is saying that if you are going to play ross then you need to not rely on his defending and to give him the freedom to do what he wants, we all know he isn't the best defender but so what, warnock thinks roy will play with defensive players which is how roy plays, ross will only get better and better and there have been quite a few decent players out there who were not exactly the best defenders

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15 oct 2015 09:58:31
neil was spot on. Ross can't defend. He gives away a lot of possession in the defensive half,and is thus a liability in that position. Sadly though thta might hinder ross's career,because at times you are required even as a number 10 to defend and help the team. He's right that ross gives roy a headache is it worth playing barkley because he may open up a defense,at the same time having to ensure 2 very defensively minded players because ross can't do his defensive duties? Neil was alluding to that conundrum facing roy.

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{Ed025's Note - for me bob he is a kind of luxury player but he offers something that others cant, when you look at the better england teams with the likes of hoddle, le tissier and gazza in they were a lot better to watch, there is room for a ross in the team or else we will all be bored to tears mate..

15 oct 2015 11:20:23
sometimes a number 10 is just that, a defence unlocker who can change a game with a pass or goal, if you play a system with 2 defence minded central midfielders then he can be accommodated but that would then be in place of rooney as sturridge is probably going to be the central striker so tbh ross will be back on the bench for england when all regular players are fit.

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15 oct 2015 11:31:15
don't think it really matters, woy has no 'headache'. Once delph, henderson or wilshere are back ross will be on the bench. The mans a fool, has his 2 best centre backs on the bench for a biscuit head cahill and some fella who has had 3 good games in 5 years in smalling. Said it's a shame shaw got injured (which it is) because he was going to be the left back for the euros. That's nice isn't it, rose, gibbs, bertrand and cresswell may as well not bother, no matter what shaw was going to be the starter. Always has to play rooney, he's like moyes, has his favourites. There is no issue for hodgson, we all know he doesn't like ross and stones. His first team in the first game at the euros is pretty easy to predict.

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15 oct 2015 12:01:43
he's a dinosaur, will be sacked straight after the euro's when we have to actually play teams that have premier players in, don't want pardew, don't want fat sam, forget hawwy, if you are going home grown then gary monk for me, at least he is under 97 years old and likes to have a go

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15 oct 2015 13:24:29
murf-correct mate, dinosaur is the perfect way to describe him. Outdated formations, outdated style and outdated tactics.

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15 oct 2015 13:37:37
you know everyone wants him out when we win ten games in a row and he still gets slated

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15 oct 2015 14:21:32
i've said in the past mate england don't bother me. I actually want ireland, wales and scotland to win whenever they play england. But it's ironic because i'm the one moaning about england more than anyone else. What annoys me, is the whole country can see what the team should be, or in general, round about what the team should be. The country knows milner, walker, rooney, kane and lallana are pretty bad. Yet all will start the first game in the euros. Bar maybe walker for clyne. He has no clue how to set a team up, rooney on the wing, sterling up front in the world cup? Long ball football to kane and walcott?. Ross in front of the back four while lallana (who loses it more than barkley and is making the mistakes a teenager makes, despite him being 27! ) gets a free role?. What worries me is he can't look past either lfc players because he managed there when let's be honest, lallana and milner are nowhere near as good as the other players in their positions. Or the "big" teams, if cahill was playing the way he does but for say, west ham, he wouldn't be in the squad. Smalling, has had, what, 3 decent games his career, all happen to be this season, lucky he plays for utd or he would look like a glorified winston reid, oh wait, he is. Both (cahill and smalling) are terrible on the ball, yet woy leaves out the best pairing in the premier league at the moment in john stones and phil jagielka. When stones does play it's at right back while phil jones plays centre back. Phil jones!? Not fit to lace stones' boots. That's like playing daniel sturridge on the wing to accommodate danny welbeck up front oh yeah, he did that too. God will someone sack this fool already!

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15 oct 2015 17:30:19
there is another reason why these players tend to walk in to the team and this will be the case for the foreseeable future. The pool of players getting regular game time in the top leagues is woeful. When the prem first started 69% of players were english. On the first weekend of this season, this figure had dropped to 33%. If the manager, whoever that may be, only has between 70-80 players to choose from then they will struggle to field a team that would be a force. Let's say that there are 70 players up for selection. But bear in mind that probably half of those players will be nowhere near good enough for international level, so that leaves us with about 35 of them. Some still not good enough for that level but they will be in contention as the numbers are so small. Factor in players off form and injuries and the outlook of the national team is pretty bleak. For me, the last good team we had, and the one that made me like international football again, was the euro 96 under venables. France 98 wasn't far off that but, bar the odd game, the teams after that have been quite bland and flattered to deceive. Any future england manager will have to be extremely good at man managing players as there will always be a few who just aren't good enough for that level. Someone who could get an extra 10% out of individuals, like 'arry is renowned for doing. Not suggesting redknapp at all but that type of character would help them perform a bit better i reckon

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{Ed025's Note - good post that spud and very eye opening facts mate..

15 oct 2015 17:58:34
cheers ed, it's scary to think the numbers of english top talent has dropped so drastically. Money has improved the game but it has also ruined it at the same time

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{Ed025's Note - another thing thats scary is roy picking 2 full backs like gibbs and walker when we have 2 youngsters who are miles better mate..

16 oct 2015 13:22:53
you make some good points spudv. They all affect the talent for the national team. I think if the players are good enough then the team will be good enough. I think we kid ourselves when we say the premiership is the best league in the world. Spanish league is miles ahead of any other league in the world. Premiership is no better if not worse than italian and german leagues. How many english teams have won the champions league in the last 25 years? Also how come wales got to the euros so easily. They seem to be bucking the trend and are improving. Surely the influx of foreign players have negatively effected them also yet they are improving. You can say they have bale and so on but that just brings you back to my earlier comment. If the players are good enough the team will be good enough. Even northern ireland have qualified for euros. Whens the last time that happened. They are also improving. Has to be some reason for wales and northern ireland improving and england going backwards.

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17 oct 2015 01:04:35
have to disagree on one point in terms of the best leagues. Of course bayern munich, real madrid and barcelona are better than any premier league team (hence the champions league disappointment for english teams). But the league itself, for me, only the bundesliga comes close, one word, passion. We have sell outs regularly in the premier league for teams like sunderland and newcastle, yet their equivalent like socedad struggle. The fans make no noise, goal goes in you hear a couple of whistles. Same with real and barca, there's just more people doing it. I also love the unpredictability of the prem, west ham going to arsenal and winning before being thrashed at home to leicester? . A shock result happens 3 times a season maybe in la liga. The pace of the football is so much better too, everyone plays the same style in la liga, not here. In terms of quality of the league in general, la liga comes nowhere close to england or germany. You are right about the champions league but again that stems from these other leagues having 2 or maybe 3 great teams and the rest garbage. Here we have good (city or arsenal), decent (everton and m. A. N utd) not bad (west ham and palace) and terrible (newcastle and sunderland). Barcelona and bayern are better than any prem team but for me that doesn't make their 1-2 horse race leagues better in quality to our 4-5 race league. Something la liga does much better than here is youngsters. There you seem to do well if you are good technically on the ball. Here it's all about physicality, how big a player is seems to win over coaches more than the weaker players who are good on the ball.

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17 Oct 2015 09:59:40
I have to agree with a lot of what your saying Swan. The premiership is more competitive and just as exciting and more unpredictable. I was more coming from the idea that the best players in the world have been playing in Spain consistently for a long time now.

Yes La liga is more or less a 2 horse when you take Athletico out of the equation. I said England would be good enough if they had the players that were good enough. La liga have almost always had the best or best 3 or 4 players in the world playing there. Messi, Ronaldo and even Gareth Bale. Any English player that is top notch goes foreign to Spain or Italy.

It does help Spain that they have tax breaks but when can you say the best player in the world played in the premiership? I can't really remember when that was the case. Maybe I'm forgetting about some player.

The premiership is fast and exciting but you can even see the technicality end of things in the premiership increasing every year. Even the premiership is becoming more continental. You would just have to look at Everton and the growing number of foreign managers in the premiership.

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