Everton Banter Archive January 15 2015

 

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15 Jan 2015 19:42:56
Can't 4 the life of me see what Martinez saw in mcgeady, what does he actually give the team.
He's had 12 months @ Goodison now & a taste of premier league football.
Gave the ball away cheaply on the edge of our penalty area @ Newcasle who were gift wrapped 3 easy points.
Doesn't beat defenders & get crosses in 4 lukaku to feed off.
When a move breaks down he doesn't track back & help his team mates win the ball.
Don't think he's played a full 90 mins & thankfully he can't play against WBA due to suspension.
He's a liability in my opinion & along with Rod belfit, Brett angel, Kokdrop, keeley has to go down as one of the worst players ever to wear the jersey.
I assume he's getting in the team because mirallas is still feeling effects of his injury.
Hope to God he doesn't play in the Derby because we can't afford to carry passengers & fill the space when he goes missing.

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{Ed025's Note - i think your praising him too highly jonsey.. :)

Agree with most of that apart from the tracking back.

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Doesn't track back? You mcgeady bashers are getting boring now.

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15 Jan 2015 23:22:05
But he actually doesn't track back

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15 Jan 2015 23:39:00
I think his confidence is shot at the moment for some reason - he sees he's making mistakes so he doesn't try normal things in cases he loses it but his lack of confidence makes it worse - he actually can get past people when he does his step over thing but he's not trying it much now in case he loses possession - he needs a big dose of confidence to play his normal game and try things again - he can't go on playing within himself as that just makes it worse

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It could just be that McGeady isn't suited to the way we currently play our game the guys got pace but do we put balls in front of him to out run the defence er no! if you look at all our other wide players with the exception of Kev we don't really have pace and therefore play shorter 1-2's to get past the defence. I am no making excuses for him as he should be good enough to play either way but it may explain why he looks like his confidence is shot. unlike some I do think he has puts a shift in the last couple of games and started to look better massive room for improvement though.

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16 Jan 2015 10:18:27
i think this is what he saw in mcgeady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCn4mdKOHo

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Funny that fans have their favourites ad it seems managers have theirs, mcgeady and barry are not fans faves!

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15 Jan 2015 17:12:19
I wonder how RM picks the team. It seems like he picks 11 players and then makes them fit ie; if he has 2 right mid f he, ll play 1 on the left wing or 2 strikers play 1 center mid like Eto. Team selection should be ballanced and based on players natural positions. Most players will play anywhere to get a game but come on Roberto it hasn't worked its time to get real in the present situation. thgfest

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The main issue is that he persists with the same formation and gets players to fit this as opposed to changing the formation for the players, sometimes maybe a 442 might work?

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Interesting thought that Wakka, especially at home to teams the tend to "park the bus" 4-4-2 may be the answer. Personally I would like to see Rom and Kone paired up top to give the opposition CB's a hard time and see how it works out.

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15 Jan 2015 17:05:22
Think the main issue wth McGeady playing is not just his lack of ability, but the fact that he's keeping better players out the team. On another point Barry again showed he has a decent 30mins in him, and after that he dissapears. Surely Besic is doing enough to warrant a full game by now.

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15 Jan 2015 12:17:30
Just to add to a few posts on McGeady, Personally thought he was very good prior to his sending off. It was a poor decision to go to ground. but it was a bit of a dive. I feel that clouded fans opinions on his performance. a as a fan base we love to have a whipping boy. ossie, Naismith, Joel, Coleman. Now McGeady. He's only had a year. Naisy is the best example, I still believe he'll come good.

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15 Jan 2015 13:58:09
But Naismith was a forward being played on the wing, Mcgeady is a winger being played on the wing. There is no comparison or excuse for him being this bad

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That's a fair comment Swan with Naismith but it's confidence with mcgeady. I used to play a lot of football on the wing and was a confidence player myself. When things aren't going well you end up trying to do so much and make it worse and nothing seems to go right, and I didn't have 25,000 Fans moaning at me.
The guy has a lot of potential, so much pace and can beat a man for fun when he's on his game.

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True point swan, but like HB said confidence is clearly an issue. He shows glimpses and works hard, just needs more consistency. He probs had no confidence after being left out in the cold at spartak. Then he has a preseason with us. But its an absolute shambles. A few managers have said he has all the qualities needed in a winger. i'm willing to give him at least till the end of the season. doesn't matter if its Aiden McGeady or Per Krodlup, they'd still get my support in a blue shirt. Okay maybe Krodlup is a bit far. he was really bad.

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At the start of the season he scored a good goal against Leicester then a good goal for Ireland if confidence was a factor then he would of been on fire after this but no he was a load of dog turd because that's what he is

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{Ed025's Note - bit harsh that kingy...though i did laugh mate..

15 Jan 2015 20:18:15
But I'm sure Naismith was low on confidence and grew when he was played in his position, mcgeady is already in his position and is 28, there is no way an increase in confidence will change anything.

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15 Jan 2015 09:59:46
one of Eric Morecombe's best.
"I'm playing the right notes, but not necessarily
in the right order"
our team selection is the same, mostly the right players, but not in the right positions.
Call it round pegs/square holes. what ever,
Besic should start instead of Barry.
MaGready should never start at all.
Kev should always start.
Barkley should be played in his best position, & left their.
Meanwhile the crisis looms, the trap door to the Championship is awaiting.
West Brom, the dark side the Palace, how many points from these 3 must wins?
Meanwhile Kenwight is doing his Lord Lucan act,
& the Marmite man is re arranging the deck chairs
on the Titanic.
only 3 more words from me. let us pray!

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{Ed025's Note - good stuff that hendo..

15 Jan 2015 09:51:44
This one should set the cat amongst the pigeons. I have read a few posts down below and said a few things myself. Last season I was so pleased with the way things were going. I had believed that Moyes was maybe not as good as I previously thought and RM was in fact a breath of fresh air and we had needed change. I will list a few things that were said and see if we all agree that we were right: Moyes played boring football and put too much emphasis on free kicks and corners. Moyes held back Ross Barkley and the younger players and RM was giving them an opportunity to blossom. RM had introduced a much more footballing way of playing and it was much better to watch. Signings like Barry, McCarthy, Lukaku, Kone, etc would only strengthen the squad. Right now I think we have gone a long way backwards and I hate to say it, but I am beginning to think we do need a change in manager. Relegation is written all over my thoughts. I hope I am wrong again.

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{Ed025's Note - heres my take on it for what its worth degsy...moyes DID play boring football, bobby WAS a breath of fresh air, his signings HAVE strengthened the side, moyes WAS right to emphasize dead ball situations, and DID hold back the youth to his detriment...

. what we need is a manager who can mix it up when needed & play different styles to accommodate the opposition. & funnily enough that's what all the greatest managers do (e.g. - Mourinhio, Ferguson, Ancelotti etc etc). & guess wot? These men have won things, simple really!! Problem with Bobby is he only knows 1 way to play & has no plan b! He needs to learn to adapt or else he'll have to go as it will drag our beloved team down & down to where they don't belong!

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Sorry but in the last 3 matches have not been playing a more mix and match style. has RM not taken on board what the player have been saying and given them more freedom to play in the style they want? It may have been a long time coming but I think he has learnt that we are not Barca. When we are at our strongest we are a pretty good side. I do agree that players have been played out of position and its not worked but we have what we have. Its not great at the moment but I can see some positives RM does seem to be on learning curve hopefully he realises that the set piece is very important and we will start to get back to where we where under DM once we have that sorted I think we will be fine.

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Totally agree sa, effectively we have drew our last 3 games and been playing a lot better. Let's just keep positive and see how the next 2 games go before we continue with this Martinez out posts.
Interestingly if he did get sacked who's would you realisticly want to replace him?

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This is a very interesting subject, but it is not as clear cut as fickle fans turning on the manager.

First off I would like to say that last season I like most others was full of praise for el Bob and the difference in how we played, now like a lot of others I would welcome a change, this change of opinion is not a knee jerk reaction to poor results, it is a genuine fear (one I did hold before we appointed him based on his performance at Wigan) That he may well be out of his depth in terms of managing a big club with big hopes and expectations.

Lets be honest here, and no offence to Wigan or their fans, but avoid relegation and a decent cup run was a successful season for them, and yes once that was us too, but that was long ago and thanks to the good work of Moyes is now a distant memory. We do expect more than that a lot more! For the record I do not want Moyes to return, I think he had taken us as far as he could and it was time for a change, but credit where it is due, he saved us back in the dark days and give us a half decent and stable team.

Now let's take a look at last season, before he left Moyes had set up the preseason, once el Bob signed he went off to do his TV thing on the Copa America, so no chance to change things around and too busy to do so. So we had a Moyes preseason and his defensive doctrine fresh in the mind of the same back 5.

The first three games of the season we looked a bit shaky but new Manager and all that, then he signed Barry, he added a bit of steel in the middle and off we went. Towards the end of the season the signs were already there that some teams had found us out, Palace at home, Southampton away for example. I wonder what the result at the KC on the last day would have been if Hull had not had the cup final? But all in all a good season, good points tally and European Football again, we all thought onwards and upwards!

Then we get to this season, amateur preseason (from which we have never really recovered.) El Bob off to do his TV thing yet again, and the total dross we have been served up, nearly every team in the League knows if they press us high up the field we will make a mistake and buckle.

Now we get to the important part, the last three games, heart, passion and fight from the players, a sign of a revival and hope that we have turned the corner. Some people are praising el Bob for listening to the players, but is that really the case? Some have suggested that the players are doing it off their own bat, being a mere mortal I don't know either way, so all I can comment on is what I see with my own eyes.

On Saturday, Bainesy cleared long down the left, El Bob went ballistic, Bainesy ignored him. Tuesday early on, John Stones try's to play it out from the back and gets mugged, except for a quick reaction from Robles and the fact Andy Carroll is a yard dog would have been 1-0 down, el Bob applauds (not sure if it is the save or the fact Stones tried to play it out.) few minutes later Coleman gets to a punt down the channel first and puts in row Z, el Bob's reaction, starts to scream and do daft hand gestures. Shortly before the sending off, Barry plays a 45 yard diagonal pass towards Rom, el Bob stands there shaking his head with a face like a smacked backside. Make of that what you will, but to me it looks more like he is being ignored than he listened and gave his blessing to a change.

And this is the crux of the matter, and is one we simply can not ignore, we all like to be positive, but the warning signs are there, Eto'o is about to walk away after 6 months, reportedly taking a 40% pay cut to do so, at the very least that says there is a problem behind the scenes.

If the Manager has agreed to change the style (After repeatedly saying on camera he wouldn't) Then fair play to him, we support him and review things in the summer, if on the other hand the players have taken things into their own hands, well that is a totally different situation. The question has to be why? Are they just over paid prima-donna's who think they know best? Or do they care about our club as much as we do and are doing the only thing they can to save it?

So my question in this is this. Is a manager who takes over half a season to realize his tactics don't work any more and needs the players to point it out to him really the man to be in charge of our club? And that is the best case scenario remember, at worst we are talking player revolt. Which if el Bob holds on to the end of the season he will simply sell the "trouble makers" as he sees them and replace them with poor quality yes men who will do it his way no matter what!

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Well to replace him would have been Pulis but that ship has sailed. Bill is not a pro-active Chairman and Martinez not a pro-active Manager that is the problem. I have a question for all of you, if Bill hired him on his CV, exactly what tried and trusted formula did Roberto bring with him?

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In fairness ed in moves last couple of seasons I think we played some very decent stuff at times. Although we could play very direct at times and utilised set pieces we also knocked it about nicely at times. Baines and pienaar had some very nice combo play. No doubt we play far more expansive football under Martinez but we are know here near as defensively sound. I don't think we should underestimate our teams ability to play football under moyes. Moyes defence and bobs attack last year would do nicely for me.

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{Ed025's Note - and me clarkey mate..

Simples Bill get on the phone to moyes to come back, he can work on set pieces and defending in the morning and Roberto to work on possession and attacking in the afternoon. Easy as that champions next season.

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16 Jan 2015 09:50:44
last season a thought we played some of the best football we had played in years - somethings happened no doubt about it

not to mention our players are all a year older and still getting a game , he needs some balls to drop players this is just my opinion but

coleman
baines
gareth barry should all be dropped , not been good enough. put browning garbutt and barkley in there positions be something like

robles
browning jags stones garbutt
besic barkley
mirallas naismith mcgeady
lukaku

thats a cracking young team with jags as the leader. I know there's no comparison for the spl and english league but mcgeady was a left winger for celtic and he was really good , I fell put him out there if its not working switch him with mirallas

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Well I did start the ball rolling there. I have to say, I actually thought we played some lovely football in Moyes' last 2 seasons. Prior to that we were a bit iffy. If you all remember back, a lot of our football revolved around Baines whipping crosses in from the corner flags after over lapping runs. Not too different from what we try to do now (unsuccessfully). We also defended and scored from corners and free kicks a lot better than now. Do I want RM sacked.well no not really. I would love him to turn it round and get us climbing up the table. And now the most important question.am I as relaxed as some posters on here who seem to think we have already turned the corner? Not a bit! Our form now looks like the beginning of the season or even times last season when we were not too successful. That is we flatter to deceive. We have 60% possession. We get corner after corner and waste them all. We knock it around for ages making no forward penetration. We then lose possession, make a rash challenge or give away a corner. The other team scores. We then battle away for ages, throw caution to the wind and scrape a draw. We did it last season and at the beginning of this one. Then we lose a couple. So the overall points tally is around 3 points from 5 games. Of course I am talking generally here. But until we start winning again, I will not be happy at all. No team gets a prize for looking better. They get points for winning games. We have won a total of 3 in 13 and one of them was against Lille! One was against West Ham that we should have lost and the other was against QPR who had not taken a single away point all season. All 3 goals were deflections too! Jeez, the more I look at it, the more worried I get!

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15 Jan 2015 07:09:14
Never heard of him but anything to lighten the mood, apparently the next messi

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14 Jan 2015 23:53:53
We all have opinions isn't it funny how we tend to see the same things I have said before I agree with honest blue and degsypulford. I can't believe some of the comments from fellow blues. Yes we have had our problems this season but stick by your team other teams have had their moments. A lot if people seem to be getting on robertos back which even though I have been disappointed at times this season I still believe. People slagging him off for taking Besic off against west ham instead if Barry but we came back from 1-0 to 2-1 with that change do credit where it's due it was correct and I think Besic is class. I thought Barkley looks overweight if I am honest and really disappointed with his progress. We are playing more direct now and still people complain. I am proud of my team after the last 3 games. And mcgeady has frustrated me but to say he is the worst player is ridiculous yes mirrallas is a better player and maybe he wasn't fit or maybe mcgeady is more disciplined and helps Coleman out more and at least the guy got 2 yellows for getting stuck in and putting the effort in even though once on a yellow he shouldn't go sliding in. I didn't think he looked that bad before that to be honest his end product in the final third was a let down but as we always say if a player is giving 100% he will get our support it's a shame not everyone thinks the same.

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15 Jan 2015 02:15:03
This is the kind of post I like. If you aren't going to stand behind the club why be a supporter then? Sure things haven't gone our way the start of this season but that's how it is. Disgraceful to hear people say things like they won't attend another match while Martinez is in charge. The best is surely yet to come this year but it's coming soon.

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Amen to that.

had the same argument with a lad in work about the city game, he said we will get trashed 5-0. I said nah we will win 2-1 I was close like ha, I txt him after the game to say happy with that hey, he txt me back no shi@@. to many sheep in the stands all bleeting the same, and having a whipping boy ie mgeedy, ossie, am glad after 30 years I stopped the moaning and groaning was unreal, funeral atmosphere at times, god help these if they were in the Lee era and early days under big howard.

onwards and upwards blues.

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Funny isn't it how some people go into print about how they will never go again. or say things like he is the worst player ever. I myself try to continue "supporting".because if you look at the word and consider it's meaning, it is very easy to be a hanger on. IE I live in the South West now and there are thousands of Manchester United and Liverpool hangers on down here.ones who watch the game in the pub, wear the replica shirts when they have won or are playing in the Champions League but if you showed them a map and asked them to show you where the grounds are, would not have a clue. I am really worried about our situation, but I will support us no matter what. It is actually my wife and son that I feel sorry for. Living with me right now is not the best of times. Know what I mean Blues?

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Thank you Robbie, good to know that there is actually people on here that can actually see some sense.
Spot on with the besic substitution, we were down to 10 men and despite the fact that besic is and has been the better player this season, Barry has more experience in solely playing the sitting role in which we needed at the time.
Mirirales has also come and said he has a dodgy knee at the moment and can't start games.

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Of course it is silly to say you are not going to attend on a whim and I am sure that is all it is. I was not enamored on Roberto being appointed and voiced my opinion at the time, taking the view that his track record in the Premiership was not exactly the best with year on fights against relegation until finally it happened. The first rule of any competitive sport is to make sure your defense is attended to first and build from there. We have good players at this club but Roberto is not playing to their strengths. I really hope we beat West Brom on monday night but Roberto does not fill me nor the players I suspect with confidence.

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